Bordering on the edge of racism

[dathadiguy]

Comparing Adam to Martin Luther King and mentioning something about 'his people'.

There's definitely some inherent hatred there, people on Twitter are already calling for her to be removed..

[GypsyGoth]

She's just a bit ignorant I think.

[Jake.]

Oh come off it. MLK was a leader, she was comparing Adam to him because in her opinion he was acting like a leader. People read WAY to much into stuff imo.

[dathadiguy]

In fact I think it's worse than the gorilla comment, there was just no connection whatsoever in relation to Adam's manner apart from the fact their both black.

[Jake.]

If she had said 'look at him, he thinks he is like some leader like Hitler or something' people would accuse her of calling him a Nazi or something.

[Shaun]

She's really putting her foot in it but I'd say it's more out of stupidity. I think she's possibly the least intelligent housemate in there. She covers it with her upper class vocabulary, but when bitching about someone she uses the same words often and usually incorrectly.

Classic example, can't remember who it was about: "He/She thinks he's/she's the Einstein...of the world... or something"

I mean what the ****?

[Bluerang1]

Remove her! I want a new housemate in :)

[rayheartbliss]

god i hate her so much

[Yayita]

Im just saying this: The more the show progresses, slowly but surely she is letting it slip. I dont think they are innocent mistakes, she is quite the malicious person and I expect anything from her. Ive been keeping open minded but she is making it so difficult. This is her third strike against Adam, undefendable.

[Urban Cragou]

She's really showing signs of it but I think it's more down to her being an ignorant bitch than anything else. She may have a large vocabulary but when it comes to content, not description, she's on par with Paris Hilton in terms of intelligence, only 50 IQ points lower.

To hell with the prick. Evict her and let her sod off to the next reality show and all. Put her in Bad Girls Club.

[Munchkins]

She's really showing signs of it but I think it's more down to her being an ignorant bitch than anything else. She may have a large vocabulary but when it comes to content, not description, she's on par with Paris Hilton in terms of intelligence, only 50 IQ points lower.

To hell with the prick. Evict her and let her sod off to the next reality show and all. Put her in Bad Girls Club.

Bad girls club <3 :joker:
She wouldn't last 5 seconds, would be amusing:hugesmile:

[karezza]

Bully Adam would be happy to be compared to MLK.

[Yayita]

She's really showing signs of it but I think it's more down to her being an ignorant bitch than anything else. She may have a large vocabulary but when it comes to content, not description, she's on par with Paris Hilton in terms of intelligence, only 50 IQ points lower.

To hell with the prick. Evict her and let her sod off to the next reality show and all. Put her in Bad Girls Club.

omg, she wouldnt last a day in the bad girls club

[dathadiguy]

What bugs me is when someone confronts her about her spitefulness, she makes no eyes contact, no acknowledgment of any wrongdoing, murmered apologies, half-hearted remorse. And if all else fails cries.

I mean what was her excuse to Sara, something like "I'm fat, it makes me more bitchy". Are you serious? Is that the best you could think of in all that time you were pretending to listen to her?

[reece(:]

Hate her, HORRID person.

[Gizmo]

After the final of BB I always applaud all HM for being entertaining and all that, even if I didn't like them in the house, but this girl is just on another planet and I can't be doing with her at all.

[Amy Jade]

I still don't believe she is racist, just nasty.

I think she meant his people as the other outsiders - although she is a fool for wording it in such a way.

[Gizmo]

I still don't believe she is racist, just nasty.

I think she meant his people as the other outsiders - although she is a fool for wording it in such a way.

Why the link with MLK then?
Why not any other leader?

[Indy]

Why the link with MLK then?
Why not any other leader?

More to the point, why not someone who actually had "people" in the sense she's using the word? She's describing a civil rights leader like some kind of cult leader, and in that way, her comment is even more offensive than simply picking at Adam again.

[DigitalMethod]

I found that comment to be quite offensive. I've had enough of her.

[karezza]

MLK will be turning in his grave. How could Caroline compare MLK to obese bully Adam?

[Cherry Christmas]

mmmmmmmmmmmm Im really leaning after that comment towards racist, she really is pushing it...I dont want to jump on the racist bandwagon, but I think any more of it and she may be removed, she is on a warning after all, .and the whole...Im bitchy when Im fat stuff...what a load of codswallop, so were you fat when you cheered Victoria and Chris leaving...mmmmmmmmmm

[karezza]

I found that comment to be quite offensive. I've had enough of her.

What exactly did you find offensive dear? Do you know?:wavey:

[thesheriff443]

like conor and arron she is talking her way out of the house .

[Cherry Christmas]

like conor and arron she is talking her way out of the house .

She is.

[KingOfTheMods]

I must admit as soon as she said it I thought what the ****, but then I thought maybe your just looking for things cause you hate her. But reading some of these posts I think my initial reaction was right, she's not right this one.

[Vladimir]

I don't know if she's being racist or just plain dumb, but she's literally so annoying and she literally needs to be evicted next, because I literally can't stand her poisonous ass anymore.

[Razor]

Gorilla comment and now this. It's so obvious.

[MrWong]

She's really showing signs of it but I think it's more down to her being an ignorant bitch than anything else. She may have a large vocabulary but when it comes to content, not description, she's on par with Paris Hilton in terms of intelligence, only 50 IQ points lower.

To hell with the prick. Evict her and let her sod off to the next reality show and all. Put her in Bad Girls Club.

Bad Girls Club! :amazed:

They'd ruin her. Which would be nice.

[armand.kay]

I have always been on the fence about whether Caroline was racist or not, but that comment just confirmed it for me. The fact that she called him stuck up and compared him to Martin Luther King. Also she seems physically repulsed by Adam at first I thought it was just because she don't like him but now it starting to look like racism.

[WozMan]

Bully Adam would be happy to be compared to MLK.

:crazy:

[fitz2k2]

this girl seriously needs to get removed from the house

[boomoo]

She's just a bit ignorant I think.

She is not ignorant she is an educated girl as shown often in her correcting others speech.
Her remark about Martin Luther King was meant to be an insult. She should have been told off about it. She thinks she can say what she likes. Using the name of Martin Luther King proves she is educated.The rest had no idea what she was talking about.
If she meant that Adam has something about him which reminded her of ML King then that would have been fine but saying he was lording it over the housemates, 'looking down on his people, like M L King'. Martin L King told people to look up.

[Urban Cragou]

I think the best thing to do is to simply evict this idiot. She clearly likes to float about spurting out the most equivocal, obscure capricious nonsense that enter her bizarre and perplexing thought processes.

[Thotmas]

Oh come off it. MLK was a leader, she was comparing Adam to him because in her opinion he was acting like a leader. People read WAY to much into stuff imo.
One excuse after another. What will happen when she makes monkey chants or raps nigxers in paris instead of nigxgas in paris? :firedevil:

[Urban Cragou]

One excuse after another. What will happen when she makes monkey chants or raps nigxers in paris instead of nigxgas in paris? :firedevil:

He'd delete his post history and pretend that it never happened.

[MatthewS]

I still don't believe she is racist, just nasty.

I think she meant his people as the other outsiders - although she is a fool for wording it in such a way.

+1

She doesn't like Adam, and she's fairly open about it. I don't see what the big deal is. Being compared to MLK is a compliment if anything, people read to much into it. Because Adam is black and MLK is, she's automatically racist? People will jump on anything this girl says, its crazy.

[Thotmas]

She needs a week in hackney. She'll be saying I swear down and have a black boyfriend by day 2

[Roy Mars III]

think she is just a bit stupid

[Urban Cragou]

+1

She doesn't like Adam, and she's fairly open about it. I don't see what the big deal is. Being compared to MLK is a compliment if anything, people read to much into it. Because Adam is black and MLK is, she's automatically racist? People will jump on anything this girl says, its crazy.

I usually roll my eyes at people who take the piss out of the word 'racism' by slinging it around like there's no tomorrow but I'm beginning to see a link now. You have to consider that she called the man a gorilla and now this.

[JTM45]

I do really think now that there's underlying racist feelings there with Caroline.
She's such a hateful, sneaky, dishonest and spiteful individual. Can't wait 'til she's nominated and we can evict the cow!

[Rob!]

She's wrecked any chances she had of winning, or even surviving her first eviction IMO. I don't think she's deliberately being racist though -I believe she is in fact incredibly ignorant and dim.

[Jords]

Shes good mates with Shievonne, non-argument.

Shes just ignorant, stupid and thoughtless.

[Shaun]

It is possible to be friends with black people and still hold racist and ignorant views :tongue: racism isn't just hating on a race.

[Yayita]

It is possible to be friends with black people and still hold racist and ignorant views :tongue: racism isn't just hating on a race.

Oh yes, i think covert racists have friends or acquaintances of the race they dislike. They all say "Im not racist, Some of my best friends are -------" ( fill in the blank) its their go to line of defense.

[SoBig]

Shes good mates with Shievonne, non-argument.

Shes just ignorant, stupid and thoughtless.

lol @ this. The ole I have a black friend excuse so I can't be racist.

[smeagol]

caroline is defentialy racist. though most people are with her background .
borderline comment though. think she just gets away with it.
racist bully wonder what else she can add to her list lol .

[thesheriff443]

It is possible to be friends with black people and still hold racist and ignorant views :tongue: racism isn't just hating on a race.

true.but the race card is used both ways with people playing on the colour of their skin.

[karezza]

Caroline is racist only in the minds of the leftwing thought police.

[Kizzy]

Caroline is racist only in the minds of the leftwing thought police.

Adam is only a fat bully in the deep recesses of your mind.

[Amy Jade]

Adam is only a fat bully in the deep recesses of your mind.
:laugh2:

[MrWong]

The thing with Caroline is that she spits so much venom about others that she's bound to say something offensive at some point.

If she carries on making these 'unfortunate' remarks then you really have to question her mindset.

[Slevin]

yea cause Charlie Sheen isnt the only one that gets so many chances :spin:

[cassieparis]

Caroline is racist. She is racist towards Adam. "Gorilla" "intelligence" "his people" and likening Adam to MLK with disdain is racist.
She is intelligent enough to be subtle...... but not subtle enough. She knows that this subtlety provides her with a defence and those that will through their own uncomfortable feelings and denial defend her
She continues to goad BB with her conceit just as she goads HMs and viewers alike.
She will continue with her lack of eye contact and denial, provoking you to prove it ever time.
REMOVE HER FROM THE HOUSE BB you are condoning her racism as do those who deny it.

[karezza]

The racism is in the minds of Caroline's accusers.

[MeMyselfAndI]

Shes hilarious, but sometimes goes OTT

[Thotmas]

It is possible to be friends with black people and still hold racist and ignorant views :tongue: racism isn't just hating on a race.
I concur. I hate when someone is told they're a bit racist and their response is my partner is black or I have loads of black friends.

[cassieparis]

The racism is in the minds of Caroline's accusers.

Absolutely. :xyxwave:
Their honest accepting well functioning logical and valid minds. :D:

[wendywillow]

i dont think shes racist but who knows, if she is intelligent the gorilla comment is pretty damning, i hedge on the 'she just hates him and sometimes has poor choice of words' side. ps are we in an upside down world where adam is now a bully for finally paying arron back for all the crap he put the girls thru? mr cagefighter has been pulling pranks on the entire house since he got in there, lets not forget he and conor were laughing at making deana cry the night before. if we put the bully tag on adam the word has lost its meaning

[net]

She is.

Good

[fruit_cake]

'bordering on the edge' pretty much sums it up for me

[sedecrem]

i could tell she was a malicious person from the beginning when everyone else was claiming she was so intelligent all I saw was a calculating, vindictive,manipulating, horrible and spiteful human being. Although she is all of the above i do believe her comments maybe slightly ignorant as opposed to racist but i think if she says anything else in reference to his skin she should definitely be removed!

[InOne]

I don't think she's racist. Just a bit silly with what she says.

[ElProximo]

Caroline is racist.
REMOVE HER FROM THE HOUSE BB you are condoning her racism as do those who deny it.

No. Actually no. That is not going to be the 'therefore' in any of this. She may be left in the house and it will NOT mean BB or anyone else is 'condoning' it.

Likewise, nobody will be 'condoning' temper tantrums from Scott or Conor by 'allowing them to stay'.

You are not 'condoning' by letting idiots say stupid things. You might be said to condone it IF you said nothing, rewarded it or agreed,
however,
It is clear BB does 'allow' people to say stupid things, rude things, ignorant things AND also allows them to face all the consequences, shame and disrepute they bring upon themselves.
Good!

[rsefitpro2011]

Carolines NOT a racist, every year The Race card comes out of the woodwork.

All Caroline can be accused of is immaturity and perhaps a lack of thought, but not racism no way!

And by the way I am not a fan of Caroline infact I want her evicted as she is very irritating but it gets on my nerves when the race card comes out!

[Anthony Hatface]

I doubt she is consciously racist, as she is such a gameplayer most of the time that would be a stupid strategic error (There is an extensive briefing given to prospective HMs, leaving no doubt that intentional racism is an automatic disqualification). However, there is a distict undertone to some of what she says, and she does come from that background where patronising attitudes to other races and classes has been de rigeur until recent times. At least her presence goes to demonstrate what a sad anachronism it is that the upper class continues to reign ... though I'm certainly not won to the idea that is enough reason for her to stay.

Just re-watched the scene in which Shievonne gets her birthday message from her nieces, in which the whole house (including Conor, whom I am normally quick to dismiss as an emotionally-crippled ape) is looking genuinely moved and uplifted by the occasion except for Caroline, who appears bemused, indifferent, and faintly contemptuous. I sometimes wonder if she just had an empathy-bypass operation early in life ...

[ChristmasNeeve]

I doubt she is consciously racist, as she is such a gameplayer most of the time that would be a stupid strategic error (There is an extensive briefing given to prospective HMs, leaving no doubt that intentional racism is an automatic disqualification). However, there is a distict undertone to some of what she says, and she does come from that background where patronising attitudes to other races and classes has been de rigeur until recent times. At least her presence goes to demonstrate what a sad anachronism it is that the upper class continues to reign ... though I'm certainly not won to the idea that is enough reason for her to stay.

Just re-watched the scene in which Shievonne gets her birthday message from her nieces, in which the whole house (including Conor, whom I am normally quick to dismiss as an emotionally-crippled ape) is looking genuinely moved and uplifted by the occasion except for Caroline, who appears bemused, indifferent, and faintly contemptuous. I sometimes wonder if she just had an empathy-bypass operation early in life ...

Great post Anthony, I think all your points are pretty valid.

[Anthony Hatface]

Great post Anthony, I think all your points are pretty valid.

Thank you. :) I must give credit for some of them to my best friend, though, who has watched the show for longer than I have and is of the opinion that Caroline is a strong and cynical player most of the time. If she is that serious about the game, it is unlikely she would intentionally dice with the prospect of ejection (and since the "n" word incident, they know what to expect).