This series is going the wrong way

[sampvt]

To give Scott and Ash a formal warning for mentioning her culture that suggests they eat with their fingers as being a bad stereo type is just rediculous.

I lived and worked in Dubai for 3 years and it is 80% Asian. When we went out at night to go for an indian to the real downtown Asian quarter, my wife took her own fork, why BECAUSE THEY DIDNT GIVE YOU ONE WITH YOUR MEAL. Their culture is like that and they try to uphold it and are proud of it as well. An asian friend of mine said they only use one hand because its one to eat and one to wipe with.

These idiots in the office are letting this series get away from them and actually are embarrassingly handing Deana this series on a plate by allowing her to be percieved as the victim, it isnt Deana thats doing it anymore, its them. Dozy tw.ts.

[Nedusa]

I agree with Sampvt ,talk about double standards it's OK to mimic people's accents as long as they're the right sort of accents, wouldn't want to stray down the path of political incorrectness. OMG I think it's time to hit the OFF switch, BB is making it up as they go along. They're probably so paranoid about upsetting the wrong demographic groups, the PC groups , the Sponsors, the Advertisers, the rules have become totally dependent on the prevailing mood of the day. They need to allow the housemates room to breathe, be expressive, get angry , be funny whatever..... But the second it's interpreted as potentially offensive then their pulled up for it. Fine ! But how about a bit of consistency , let everyone know where the lines are and keep them there. Not change the rules on an almost daily basis.... Don't know how much more of this current series I can take...!!!!!!!!!

[smeagol]

they edited that clip they used accents as well

[Jords]

It was stereotyping, they just got a slap wrist.

[Beverley]

Jords, they got a formal warning, not just a wrist slap hun!

[sampvt]

I didnt see the edit in full so I can only comment on what I saw. The Chinese dont use metal impliments as it distains the taste of their food they use bone or wooden cutlery to eat with, We use metal because its supposed to be clean and healthy, Asians prefer to use their fingers when possible, are you to say that we are not allowed to say that the Chinese are wrong.

The inferance by another poster on another thread that rascism seems to be influenced by age issues is just plain daft. The youth of today are without doubt more inclined to be a little more over the top about certain things but thats life. Old people have views based on experiences gained in life and the youngsters of today are brought up with different tollerance levels in mind but I agree any rascism is bad but what is rascism and what isnt.

Some on here say that infering that eating with ther hands is in someway rascist is wrong, it is strange if you dont know it but defo not rascism. In my eyes it is one more exampe of PC gone mad.

[Jords]

Jords, they got a formal warning, not just a wrist slap hun!

I meant compared to the extent of Caroline's :)

[kistar]

If its offensive dont show it , have a word with the housemates but dont air the whole thing. Its ridiculous.

[Beverley]

I didnt see the edit in full so I can only comment on what I saw. The Chinese dont use metal impliments as it distains the taste of their food they use bone or wooden cutlery to eat with, We use metal because its supposed to be clean and healthy, Asians prefer to use their fingers when possible, are you to say that we are not allowed to say that the Chinese are wrong.

The inferance by another poster on another thread that rascism seems to be influenced by age issues is just plain daft. The youth of today are without doubt more inclined to be a little more over the top about certain things but thats life. Old people have views based on experiences gained in life and the youngsters of today are brought up with different tollerance levels in mind but I agree any rascism is bad but what is rascism and what isnt.

Some on here say that infering that eating with ther hands is in someway rascist is wrong, it is strange if you dont know it but defo not rascism. In my eyes it is one more exampe of PC gone mad.

We still eat with our fingers, think bbq ribs, chicken wings etc. But I do agree with what you are saying. BB has had so much flack over the years from the PC Brigade they darn't not let anything go.

[Jords]

They were laughing at Indian people eating with their hands... sort of is offensive/ignorant even though I dont believe they meant it specifically that way.

[Beverley]

I meant compared to the extent of Caroline's :)

Ah I'm with ya :)

[smeagol]

I didnt see the edit in full so I can only comment on what I saw. The Chinese dont use metal impliments as it distains the taste of their food they use bone or wooden cutlery to eat with, We use metal because its supposed to be clean and healthy, Asians prefer to use their fingers when possible, are you to say that we are not allowed to say that the Chinese are wrong.

The inferance by another poster on another thread that rascism seems to be influenced by age issues is just plain daft. The youth of today are without doubt more inclined to be a little more over the top about certain things but thats life. Old people have views based on experiences gained in life and the youngsters of today are brought up with different tollerance levels in mind but I agree any rascism is bad but what is rascism and what isnt.

Some on here say that infering that eating with ther hands is in someway rascist is wrong, it is strange if you dont know it but defo not rascism. In my eyes it is one more exampe of PC gone mad.

hmm well thats odd cause my ex is chinese and she always uses the same as us and so do all the chinese friends i have lol wow

[Trasadkel1]

Totally agree with the comments in here. Channel 5 and the people using the "bully" word at any opportunity and the ofcom callers are totally ruining BB. It has now got beyond a joke. It is going to get to the stage where we are just going to be watching a roomful of people staring into space scared to say or do anything for fear of being called a racist or bully. I think the producers are digging themselves a big hole by doing this... I really don't see how the show can continue for much longer because all entertainment value is being sucked out of it.
I have been an avid fan of BB from the first series and have not missed one since. I love the show but this series has been ruined for me. I am genuinely struggling to persevere with it. All the fun and entertainment has been sucked out of it week by week after such a promising start.
It's so upsetting to see a show that I loved being reduced to this contrived mess.

[chuff me dizzy]

To give Scott and Ash a formal warning for mentioning her culture that suggests they eat with their fingers as being a bad stereo type is just rediculous.

I lived and worked in Dubai for 3 years and it is 80% Asian. When we went out at night to go for an indian to the real downtown Asian quarter, my wife took her own fork, why BECAUSE THEY DIDNT GIVE YOU ONE WITH YOUR MEAL. Their culture is like that and they try to uphold it and are proud of it as well. An asian friend of mine said they only use one hand because its one to eat and one to wipe with.

These idiots in the office are letting this series get away from them and actually are embarrassingly handing Deana this series on a plate by allowing her to be percieved as the victim, it isnt Deana thats doing it anymore, its them. Dozy tw.ts.

I agree in part,but lets never forget the times a day Deana tells us she a victim ,how many times has she said Conor doesnt like her or speak to her, yet SHE nominates him every week and doesnt speak to him either, the fake cow is playing a blinder ,shes got this in the bag on PITY not merit ,makes me sick to think people are so gulible to fall for her weel planned rubbish

[sampvt]

They were laughing at Indian people eating with their hands... sort of is offensive/ignorant even though I dont believe they meant it specifically that way.

Jords their actions and inferances where ignorant due to a lack of understanding of that races culture but defo not rascist in any way. If as someone else has said they said it all with Putt Putt accents to mimic Asians then that brings the inferance up to a different level but as far as I can see nobody has proof of this action, it all seems to hinge around conspiracy theories.

i still hold with they where ignorant and needed a good slap but to lable them rascist is a bit strong, infact it borders on stupidity. Did you see the shows producer there tonight on bots, the thick prick didnt even know what colours the teams were blues or green and he agreed that noms were different because of face to face and it was unfair. he f..king authorised it the dumb prick. Man he makes my bum itch.

[cassieparis]

Eating with one's hands is an activity that lot's of cultures indulge in
Some ignorant people think it's filthy and primitive and whisper such behind the backs of these cultures in condescending tones. That's because they wipe with either hand indiscriminately and never wash them before shoving their fried mars bar, fish and chips chicken burger, pasty or pizza's in the gobs.

[cassieparis]

Eating with one's hands is an activity that lot's of cultures indulge in
Some ignorant people think it's filthy and primitive and whisper such behind the backs of these cultures in condescending tones. That's because they wipe with either hand indiscriminately and never wash them before shoving their fried mars bar, fish and chips chicken burger, pasty or pizza's in the gobs.

[chuff me dizzy]

If its offensive dont show it , have a word with the housemates but dont air the whole thing. Its ridiculous.

EXACTLY by airing it they are giving Deana more pity votes ,and God knows shes got more than enough of them already or she would have gone weeks ago, shes boring ,she rude, she brings sod all to the show ,only pity votes

[Jordan.]

EXACTLY by airing it they are giving Deana more pity votes ,and God knows shes got more than enough of them already or she would have gone weeks ago, shes boring ,she rude, she brings sod all to the show ,only pity votes

She's my favourite and not because I pity her, so you're wrong :pat:

[Beverley]

Totally agree with the comments in here. Channel 5 and the people using the "bully" word at any opportunity and the ofcom callers are totally ruining BB. It has now got beyond a joke. It is going to get to the stage where we are just going to be watching a roomful of people staring into space scared to say or do anything for fear of being called a racist or bully. I think the producers are digging themselves a big hole by doing this... I really don't see how the show can continue for much longer because all entertainment value is being sucked out of it.
I have been an avid fan of BB from the first series and have not missed one since. I love the show but this series has been ruined for me. I am genuinely struggling to persevere with it. All the fun and entertainment has been sucked out of it week by week after such a promising start.
It's so upsetting to see a show that I loved being reduced to this contrived mess.

The bully word is over used. Bascially it's used by people who are not intelligent enough to win a legitimate argument. They lose and suddenly the 'victor' is a bully. Annoys the sh*t out of me.

[canucksgirl]

What about when people eat sushi with a fork? Should we laugh at them for not using chop sticks? Eat how you want people!

[chuff me dizzy]

She's my favourite and not because I pity her, so you're wrong :pat:

So you like dull,lifeless two faced,backstabbing fake bitches then ?

[Jordan.]

So you like dull,lifeless two faced,backstabbing fake bitches then ?

Nope

[sampvt]

hmm well thats odd cause my ex is chinese and she always uses the same as us and so do all the chinese friends i have lol wow

Smeagol mate, shame about the x thing, give me a nod after the series and i will give you a few tips on how to keep a woman, Ive had mine for 40 yrs. By the way you must give me the name of the chop stick manufacturer that uses metal on their product or the soup bowls made of metal or the big table tennis bats they use as spoons or even the bamboo they clean their woks with. Obviously I dont get out now I am using the incontinent pants and the Zimmer frame, but I didnt realise times had change so badly.

The discussion was about culture on the whole not your young student mates of ethnic origins whooping it up in the present. Ask them what their mum makes them use at home. going off topic didnt help us there mate.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

So you like dull,lifeless two faced,backstabbing fake bitches then ?

shut the heck up

[Beverley]

So you like dull,lifeless two faced,backstabbing fake bitches then ?

Bang out of order. You might have a difference of opinion but that was uncalled for. I'm no fan of Deana's either, by any stretch but Jords has never been offensive to anyone like you just have. Wind your neck in a bit eh?

[chuff me dizzy]

Bang out of order. You might have a difference of opinion but that was uncalled for. I'm no fan of Deana's either, by any stretch but Jords has never been offensive to anyone like you just have. Wind your neck in a bit eh?

Steady on there sunbeam

[Patrick]

It's like the whole Sree BB10 Thing again :rolleyes:

'Let's give Marcus a formal warning for mocking Sree's accent - but it's perfectly fine for Sree to mock every other housemate's accent.'

Big Brother have been doing it since that ******ing bint Jade ruined the show in 2007, all they do now is find little things to pick up on and make a big issue out of and all it does is making the producers look racist, for even making a difference.

[Beverley]

Steady on there sunbeam

Please feel free to quote me when you have grown up a litle bit. Caió.

[cassieparis]

Why are people outraged when racism is pointed out to a racist and stereotyping to bullies?
Taking responsibility for your actions is an adult activity

simple denial: deny the reality of the unpleasant fact altogether
minimisation: admit the fact but deny its seriousness (a combination of denial and rationalization)
projection: admit both the fact and seriousness but deny responsibility by blaming somebody or something else.

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[Jords]

I think at the end of the day people know Scott and Ash wernt being racist. The warning was fair and leave it at that?

[chuff me dizzy]

It's like the whole Sree BB10 Thing again :rolleyes:

'Let's give Marcus a formal warning for mocking Sree's accent - but it's perfectly fine for Sree to mock every other housemate's accent.'

Big Brother have been doing it since that ******ing bint Jade ruined the show in 2007, all they do now is find little things to pick up on and make a big issue out of and all it does is making the producers look racist, for even making a difference.

Jade didnt ruin that series Shilpa and Jackson did, Jackson said the only racist thing in that series NOT Jade

[sampvt]

Why are people outraged when racism is pointed out to a racist and stereotyping to bullies?
Taking responsibility for your actions is an adult activity

simple denial: deny the reality of the unpleasant fact altogether
minimisation: admit the fact but deny its seriousness (a combination of denial and rationalization)
projection: admit both the fact and seriousness but deny responsibility by blaming somebody or something else.

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

WTF, did you swallow a dictionary or are you a trick cyclist. This is a bb forum not a semina on all things that effect the running of the free world.

[ElProximo]

I wonder. With the Olympics fast upon us. The world will 'tune-in' and be...
....horrified, uncomfortable, shocked, disappointed at what a real-life 'Big Brother' full of fearful PC little brothers and sisters all reporting each other for their contrived 'thinkspeak' laws.
People getting arrested for 'tweeting' really means things. Ugh.

[cassieparis]

[QUOTE=sampvt;5318909]WTF, did you swallow a dictionary or are you a trick cyclist. This is a bb forum not a semina on all things that effect the running of the free world.[/QUOTE
Your getting angry. Calm down.
I am participating in your free world. :pat:

[Beverley]

It's like the whole Sree BB10 Thing again :rolleyes:

'Let's give Marcus a formal warning for mocking Sree's accent - but it's perfectly fine for Sree to mock every other housemate's accent.'

Big Brother have been doing it since that ******ing bint Jade ruined the show in 2007, all they do now is find little things to pick up on and make a big issue out of and all it does is making the producers look racist, for even making a difference.

This I agree with!

Why are people outraged when racism is pointed out to a racist and stereotyping to bullies?
Taking responsibility for your actions is an adult activity

simple denial: deny the reality of the unpleasant fact altogether
minimisation: admit the fact but deny its seriousness (a combination of denial and rationalization)
projection: admit both the fact and seriousness but deny responsibility by blaming somebody or something else.

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

and this!

I think at the end of the day people know Scott and Ash wernt being racist. The warning was fair and leave it at that?

I have to ask, if they were not being racist, what was the warning issued for?

Jade didnt ruin that series Shilpa and Jackson did, Jackson said the only racist thing in that series NOT Jade

And agree again! (Chuff, it was the attack on another forum member I didn't agree with, no need to get personal with posters on here).

[sampvt]

I wonder. With the Olympics fast upon us. The world will 'tune-in' and be...
....horrified, uncomfortable, shocked, disappointed at what a real-life 'Big Brother' full of fearful PC little brothers and sisters all reporting each other for their contrived 'thinkspeak' laws.
People getting arrested for 'tweeting' really means things. Ugh.

:elephant::elephant::elephant:

[Jords]

I have to ask, if they were not being racist, what was the warning issued for?

2 reasons I believe

1) Possible chance of offending Indian viewers by being stereotypical
2) Verbally singling out Deana - the comments were made to be insulting

I thought Ashleigh's comment 'Wanid to giv her a ****ing spoon' to be very ignorant.

[cassieparis]

Quote:
Originally Posted by ElProximo
I wonder. With the Olympics fast upon us. The world will 'tune-in' and be...
....horrified, uncomfortable, shocked, disappointed at what a real-life 'Big Brother' full of fearful PC little brothers and sisters all reporting each other for their contrived 'thinkspeak' laws.
People getting arrested for 'tweeting' really means things. Ugh.

Quote:
Originally Posted by sampvt

:elephant::elephant::elephant:

Just as you celebrate those who prefer silence to outrage allow others to point out the dangers. George Orwell's "1984"
thinkspeak..... tsk!! more like doublethink.

[JTM45]

EXACTLY by airing it they are giving Deana more pity votes ,and God knows shes got more than enough of them already or she would have gone weeks ago, shes boring ,she rude, she brings sod all to the show ,only pity votes

That's just your view/opinion on Deana and thank god that not many people share it!
It's like listening to a stuck record :sleep:

[Beverley]

2 reasons I believe

1) Possible chance of offending Indian viewers by being stereotypical
2) Verbally singling out Deana - the comments were made to be insulting

I thought Ashleigh's comment 'Wanid to giv her a ****ing spoon' to be very ignorant.

But does Ashleigh actually grasp British culture, let alone anyone else's? Personally I don't think for a moment she does.

Example: I used to work with adults with learning disabilities, each week we used to take a group for sewing classes at an elderly centre. The 'golden oldies' used to segregate themselves from the one's with LD's, even making them line up after they had queued for food! One day, an elderly lady approached us, it wasn't that she was being against anyone with disabilities, she just didn't understand through lack of education, blame a generation or whatever. The elderly lady became good friends with the people I looked after and genuinely cared for each and every one, and involved her friends. It was just something she'd not known about when she grew up.

Ashleigh isn't far off the mark either from my example. Should her parent's have educated her more with regard to social skills, oh yes! I grew up in a tiny mining village, where 99.9% were white folks. My children were taught to respect life, not the colour of skin. IMO, it's all about education in socialisation, first and foremost. But it cuts both ways.

[Raph]

Asians prefer to use their fingers when possible, are you to say that we are not allowed to say that the Chinese are wrong.

Obviously that statement is stereotyping in itself. Japanese people, for example, would never eat with their hands. I think it's too general to say 'asians' when you're talking primarily about south-eastern asians, notably, Indians.

[Jords]

But does Ashleigh actually grasp British culture, let alone anyone else's? Personally I don't think for a moment she does.

Example: I used to work with adults with learning disabilities, each week we used to take a group for sewing classes at an elderly centre. The 'golden oldies' used to segregate themselves from the one's with LD's, even making them line up after they had queued for food! One day, an elderly lady approached us, it wasn't that she was being against anyone with disabilities, she just didn't understand through lack of education, blame a generation or whatever. The elderly lady became good friends with the people I looked after and genuinely cared for each and every one, and involved her friends. It was just something she'd not known about when she grew up.

Ashleigh isn't far off the mark either from my example. Should her parent's have educated her more with regard to social skills, oh yes! I grew up in a tiny mining village, where 99.9% were white folks. My children were taught to respect life, not the colour of skin. IMO, it's all about education in socialisation, first and foremost. But it cuts both ways.

I completely agree with what you just said Bev, and I think that explains her ignorance because she doesnt have a clue about much.

I dont think they meant anything too malicious in what they said, but in a way BB is teaching them things :)

[sampvt]

That's just your view/opinion on Deana and thank god that not many people share it!
It's like listening to a stuck record :sleep:

Like a good old classic from the 60,s his record is always good to listen to. When the day comes that our views of Deana are accepted as OUR OPINIONS AND VIEWS that will be the day the posts will be looked upon as opinionated and not nasty. Just because you love her and cant hear bad about her dosent necessarily mean you are right and we are wrong.

[Raph]

It's like the whole Sree BB10 Thing again :rolleyes:

'Let's give Marcus a formal warning for mocking Sree's accent - but it's perfectly fine for Sree to mock every other housemate's accent.'

Big Brother have been doing it since that ******ing bint Jade ruined the show in 2007, all they do now is find little things to pick up on and make a big issue out of and all it does is making the producers look racist, for even making a difference.

Yeah way too consciencous about Indians :laugh: If you ask me though, I'd actually like to see Japanese, chinese, korean or somewhere like that Asians in the house versus an Indian person every two years or so. Nothing against Indians, but I do feel like BB don't represent other forms of Asia much; the only example I can think of is Lisa from BB7 who was of Chinese decent.

[Beverley]

I completely agree with what you just said Bev, and I think that explains her ignorance because she doesnt have a clue about much.

I dont think they meant anything too malicious in what they said, but in a way BB is teaching them things :)

Thanks hun.

BB is making them think and in Ashleigh's case, that's not a bad thing at all lol!!!

[JTM45]

The Chinese dont use metal impliments as it distains the taste of their food they use bone or wooden cutlery to eat with, We use metal because its supposed to be clean and healthy, Asians prefer to use their fingers when possible, are you to say that we are not allowed to say that the Chinese are wrong.

Where the hell do you think China is ?
The very fact that you refer to 'Asians' and 'Chinese' as two different races comes across as very ignorant to me! :rolleyes:

[Raph]

Where the hell do you think China is ?
The very fact that you refer to 'Asians' and 'Chinese' as two different races comes across as very ignorant to me! :rolleyes:

This helps accentuate what I posted above. And ooh hello fellow South Walian! :hug:

[Shaun]

/ "not going my way"

the world recoils in horror

[sampvt]

Where the hell do you think China is ?
The very fact that you refer to 'Asians' and 'Chinese' as two different races comes across as very ignorant to me! :rolleyes:

I think it is really sad that you dont understand what I mean. In future I will consult my world Atlas and all manner of books, PC correct anuals and I will phone a friend before posting. That way you wont need to cherry pick my futile little posts so you can poke fun at them.

A man with a white stick and a big fluffy dog could understand that post. Oh bloody hell shes going to call in the royal soc for the blind now. When will I learn.

[fitz2k2]

You know the sad part scott n ash don't have the balls to apologize to deana who hasn't done anything to them

[MatthewS]

Agree with a lot of the things said in this thread. BB has turned way too PC. Even anything that's borderline is being called out. It's ruining the show.

[Me. I Am Salman]

I think it is really sad that you dont understand what I mean. In future I will consult my world Atlas and all manner of books, PC correct anuals and I will phone a friend before posting. That way you wont need to cherry pick my futile little posts so you can poke fun at them.

A man with a white stick and a big fluffy dog could understand that post. Oh bloody hell shes going to call in the royal soc for the blind now. When will I learn.

Stop trying to act all highly and mighty
Because you're not
:idc:

[sampvt]

Stop trying to act all highly and mighty
Because you're not
:idc:



Ill make a deal with you, Ill stop acting like a dick if you do the same. Deal.

[TOXICHUNK]

How is deana backstabbing? That's the most hilarious thing I have seen in days!

[the truth]

Where the hell do you think China is ?
The very fact that you refer to 'Asians' and 'Chinese' as two different races comes across as very ignorant to me! :rolleyes:

he didnt say they were different races? youre pretending to be offended imho, cheap shot:nono:

[jet]

I agree with Sampvt ,talk about double standards it's OK to mimic people's accents as long as they're the right sort of accents, wouldn't want to stray down the path of political incorrectness. OMG I think it's time to hit the OFF switch, BB is making it up as they go along. They're probably so paranoid about upsetting the wrong demographic groups, the PC groups , the Sponsors, the Advertisers, the rules have become totally dependent on the prevailing mood of the day. They need to allow the housemates room to breathe, be expressive, get angry , be funny whatever..... But the second it's interpreted as potentially offensive then their pulled up for it. Fine ! But how about a bit of consistency , let everyone know where the lines are and keep them there. Not change the rules on an almost daily basis.... Don't know how much more of this current series I can take...!!!!!!!!!

GREAT POST! It's the lack of consistency that bothers me. Conor got away VERY lightly with something he should have been kicked out for at the time. Caroline got away with her snide and bullying behaviour for WEEKS while Becky is as bad in her own way and has NEVER been reprimanded.
Now Scott (who as a rule doesn't bitch about HM's) has been given an official warning for making a fairly innocuous remark, and Ashleigh has been warned for 'excluding people, humiliating them and using sarcasm'!!!
OMG.
Meanwhile, BB humiliates Luke S, sets Adam up to be excluded by showing him giving opinions when he doesn't know the other HM's are watching etc etc....and BOTS gives a voice to people who frequently make fun of and ridicule the HM's every night non stop.
Make up your mind BB Channel 5.
I am personally dead against racism and bullying. But where BB is concerned this series they are all over the place and it's just a total mess. There seem to be no clear rules - it's a case of one HM can get away with murder but another can't.
What a ridiculous farce it is turning out to be.

[TIGHAMADAN]

I agree in part,but lets never forget the times a day Deana tells us she a victim ,how many times has she said Conor doesnt like her or speak to her, yet SHE nominates him every week and doesnt speak to him either, the fake cow is playing a blinder ,shes got this in the bag on PITY not merit ,makes me sick to think people are so gulible to fall for her weel planned rubbish

She has the same publicist as Shilpa Shetty you know.

[the truth]

She has the same publicist as Shilpa Shetty you know.

really??? hmmmmmm play the victim all day long

[jet]

Agree with a lot of the things said in this thread. BB has turned way too PC. Even anything that's borderline is being called out. It's ruining the show.

I agree...except for Conor's rant about Deena - he should have been removed from the house pronto. I feel that BB has been coming down harder on the other HM's ever since to compensate for not having acted properly against him.
:whistle:

[the truth]

GREAT POST! It's the lack of consistency that bothers me. Conor got away VERY lightly with something he should have been kicked out for at the time. Caroline got away with her snide and bullying behaviour for WEEKS while Becky is as bad in her own way and has NEVER been reprimanded.
Now Scott (who as a rule doesn't bitch about HM's) has been given an official warning for making a fairly innocuous remark, and Ashleigh has been warned for 'excluding people, humiliating them and using sarcasm'!!!
OMG.
Meanwhile, BB humiliates Luke S, sets Adam up to be excluded by showing him giving opinions when he doesn't know the other HM's are watching etc etc....and BOTS gives a voice to people who frequently make fun of and ridicule the HM's every night non stop.
Make up your mind BB Channel 5.
I am personally dead against racism and bullying. But where BB is concerned this series they are all over the place and it's just a total mess. There seem to be no clear rules - it's a case of one HM can get away with murder but another can't.
What a ridiculous farce it is turning out to be.

it didnt seem that nasty by scott , his dad did actually own a restaurant it was an anecdote of sorts. if he had stopped short saying she eats with her hands it may be ok, but to generalize about all doing it is wrong, although when deana said that about men, no one said a thing, I was very offended by that

[jet]

it didnt seem that nasty by scott , his dad did actually own a restaurant it was an anecdote of sorts. if he had stopped short saying she eats with her hands it may be ok, but to generalize about all doing it is wrong, although when deana said that about men, no one said a thing, I was very offended by that

Yes, I think Scott was making an observation that he believed to be factual. I have Indian friends who eat with their hands all the time. Fact. I don't know if ALL Indians do this, but the ones I know do in my experience. I wouldn't take kindly to be branded as racist for saying so. If I was told not all Indians do this, then I would adjust my thinking. It's no big deal for God's sake. :sleep:
I wonder if someone told Conor he must like potatoes because he's Irish would they be called racist.
And I happen to agree with you about what Deana said about men...but that's okay...being PC doesn't extent to men apparently.

[ElProximo]

Mods:
Report half these people for offensive and insulting racist posts. I have seen half-a-dozen now 'dehumanizing' and referring to entirely different races of people as 'Asians'. In fact, I am sick of hearing this all over the UK.
Its very degrading and 'racist' as if somehow 'everyone east of Europe' are somehow all the 'those Asians'.
So Pakistanis and Japanese are now somehow 'those Asians'.

In North America and in China we refer to 'Asians' as (what evolutionists once called 'Mongoloids') but as Japanese, Chinese, Korean,
and,
Therefore, using my definition as the standard I have now worked out all you Brits saying 'Asians' are therefore RACISTS!
And now you have been warned about that racism and bigotry you ARE GUILTY of if you ever called everyone else 'asians'.

See how this works? Get this yet? See what I did? Well that is what YOU PC police are doing.
Now its done to you. Racists.

*Duly note: I have also seen Mods here using the term (which I deemed racist) 'Asians' in this derogatory way (i made it derogatory see?),
so,
Warn yourselves.

[JTM45]

he didnt say they were different races? youre pretending to be offended imho, cheap shot:nono:

When did i say i was offended ?
I was just amazed that he was trying to prove the point that something wasn't offensive and/or racially stereotypical while bringing up a different racial stereotype himself.
He was clearly calling one race of people 'Asians' (which i'm assuming were actually Indians in this case) and another group as 'Chinese' when infact both races he was talking about were Asians.

It does really offend me though when people try to defend the unacceptably offensive/racially stereotypical behaviour of people like Ashleigh and Scott though!
If people didn't find that offensive or don't think what Ashleigh and Scott said was wrong then they clearly either didn't understand what they said or they must share their ignorant and racially stereotypical opinions.

I just added this bit as i noticed El Proximo's post just before mine.
He's made the very point i was referring to and he probably made it with greater clarity than i did. Nice work El Proximo!:thumbs:
I'm from the UK by the way and never refer to people as 'Asians' in this derogatory fashion so please don't think we're all that ignorant (a LOT are, but not all by any means).

[Raph]

Mods:

Its very degrading and 'racist' as if somehow 'everyone east of Europe' are somehow all the 'those Asians'.
So Pakistanis and Japanese are now somehow 'those Asians'.


Thank you, you always speak a lot of sense ElProximo! :worship:

[sampvt]

Mods:
Report half these people for offensive and insulting racist posts. I have seen half-a-dozen now 'dehumanizing' and referring to entirely different races of people as 'Asians'. In fact, I am sick of hearing this all over the UK.
Its very degrading and 'racist' as if somehow 'everyone east of Europe' are somehow all the 'those Asians'.
So Pakistanis and Japanese are now somehow 'those Asians'.

In North America and in China we refer to 'Asians' as (what evolutionists once called 'Mongoloids') but as Japanese, Chinese, Korean,
and,
Therefore, using my definition as the standard I have now worked out all you Brits saying 'Asians' are therefore RACISTS!
And now you have been warned about that racism and bigotry you ARE GUILTY of if you ever called everyone else 'asians'.

See how this works? Get this yet? See what I did? Well that is what YOU PC police are doing.
Now its done to you. Racists.

*Duly note: I have also seen Mods here using the term (which I deemed racist) 'Asians' in this derogatory way (i made it derogatory see?),
so,
Warn yourselves.

The problem you have here on this post/request, apart from it being f..king rediculous, is that there are no defined rules on racism. FOR EXAMPLE....

BY THE WAY THIS IS AN EXAMPLE NOT A STATEMENT.....If I call a pakistani a P.ki, thats deemed as a racist remark, (SORRY ITS PRINTED THAT WAY BUT ITS OUTLAWED AS RUDE) If I call a person from Japan a JAP, thats offensive and racist. How about when everyone calls us BRITS. NOTICE NONE OF THE LAST 2 ANALOGIES WERE BLANKD OUT AS RUDE.

Have I made my point ???????

[MrWong]

She has the same publicist as Shilpa Shetty you know.

Source.

[Livia]

It's a sad indictment on society that most of the housemates, and some forum members, don't see anything wrong in what was said and done. Bigots never imagine they are bigots, they feel they are justified in their views and merely stating the truth. Sometimes when the error is pointed out to them the penny drops. And sometimes it doesn’t…

[JTM45]

As there are no defined rules on racism Sampvt most decent people use their common sense to decide what is and what isn't racist.
If you're not sure if it's racist or not just don't say it anyway!

[MrWong]

I agree...except for Conor's rant about Deena - he should have been removed from the house pronto. I feel that BB has been coming down harder on the other HM's ever since to compensate for not having acted properly against him.
:whistle:

Absolutely. It's like they are going.. "Hey BB fans, Carolwhine/Scott/Ash are way worse than Conor... LOOK!!" Especially when you consider his Funtime Frankie edit for the past two weeks.

[smeagol]

Smeagol mate, shame about the x thing, give me a nod after the series and i will give you a few tips on how to keep a woman, Ive had mine for 40 yrs. By the way you must give me the name of the chop stick manufacturer that uses metal on their product or the soup bowls made of metal or the big table tennis bats they use as spoons or even the bamboo they clean their woks with. Obviously I dont get out now I am using the incontinent pants and the Zimmer frame, but I didnt realise times had change so badly.

The discussion was about culture on the whole not your young student mates of ethnic origins whooping it up in the present. Ask them what their mum makes them use at home. going off topic didnt help us there mate.

your sterotyping again on a masisve scale just to let you know dude its 2012 its a modern age come into the real world your be suprised

[cassieparis]

It's a sad indictment on society that most of the housemates, and some forum members, don't see anything wrong in what was said and done. Bigots never imagine they are bigots, they feel they are justified in their views and merely stating the truth. Sometimes when the error is pointed out to them the penny drops. And sometimes it doesn’t…


......and sometimes the penny dropped way before the fingers hit the keyboard. But to no avail.
Offering offence is their main motivation. The only way they can feel alive.:cloud::suspect::shrug:

[sampvt]

As there are no defined rules on racism Sampvt most decent people use their common sense to decide what is and what isn't racist.
If you're not sure if it's racist or not just don't say it anyway!

If its common sence you are battling on about and it was applied, half of these PC posts wouldnt be up. Different people have different levels of tolerance. Its ok for a black man to call another a N but a mixed race person cant. I just dont get the borderline stuff that people make massive issues of.

Ask yourself this, lets say if Adam was Indian not afro whatever and he and Deana were called Baboons.....who would laugh and who would go running down to the nearest race relations board and employ a lawyer to see how much money they could get a the victim of a racial abuse.

Abuse is abuse when it causes hurt. Some of these PC guys act as judge and jury and poke their noses in making things worse and creating a problem where non existed. I am not racist and I have some really good Asian, sorry Indian friends, and one Japanese mate who incidently eats with chopsticks and dosent mind being called Asian. Some of these PC guys need to switch off here and watch in the night garden and poke holes in Iggle piggle and pepper pig, the sh.t thise guys get away with is of the scale.

[JTM45]

Oh dear!

[optimisticcynic]

It's a sad indictment on society that most of the housemates, and some forum members, don't see anything wrong in what was said and done. Bigots never imagine they are bigots, they feel they are justified in their views and merely stating the truth. Sometimes when the error is pointed out to them the penny drops. And sometimes it doesn’t…

Bravo!

[sampvt]

......and sometimes the penny dropped way before the fingers hit the keyboard. But to no avail.
Offering offence is their main motivation. The only way they can feel alive.:cloud::suspect::shrug:

Cassie, look back at your own post ref Becky, you take double standards to a different level, but there again that dosent surprise me as your type are never wrong and we are all wrong.

In fact here is that post copied, I will let the others see who has double standards. I might be a prat but at least I am a contant prat.

you posted......

Becky has the personality of a precocious 8 year old.
She won't listen.
She gorges like a child left home alone and has turned off any intelligence required to socialise positively with others. She needs medication.
She is like a one man Lord of the flies.
C1 & C2 however are agents of the dark lord.

Unquote....

If you are not being offensive in this post I will run round Leeds butt naked.

[optimisticcynic]

If its common sence you are battling on about and it was applied, half of these PC posts wouldnt be up. Different people have different levels of tolerance. Its ok for a black man to call another a N but a mixed race person cant. I just dont get the borderline stuff that people make massive issues of.

Ask yourself this, lets say if Adam was Indian not afro whatever and he and Deana were called Baboons.....who would laugh and who would go running down to the nearest race relations board and employ a lawyer to see how much money they could get a the victim of a racial abuse.

Abuse is abuse when it causes hurt. Some of these PC guys act as judge and jury and poke their noses in making things worse and creating a problem where non existed. I am not racist and I have some really good Asian, sorry Indian friends, and one Japanese mate who incidently eats with chopsticks and dosent mind being called Asian. Some of these PC guys need to switch off here and watch in the night garden and poke holes in Iggle piggle and pepper pig, the sh.t thise guys get away with is of the scale.

you have some Indian friends and a Japanese friend?! Congratulations. Doesn't mean that people from the same ethnic groups must be wrong when they try to correct offensive statements you make. You repeatedly tell us you are married and have been for 40yrs, but I am confident a poll as to who here would hypothetically like to be your life partner would open your eyes to how unattractive, angry, narrow-minded, and bilious you are coming across. I suppose acknowledging some of the present concerns may force you to evaluate previous opinions, statements and actions and this may be too difficult to face up to.

By the way, some of your posts that have no sweeping generalisations, have been measured, funny and enjoyable. That is why I bother to whinge at you and don't even bother with the other guy who eggs you on.

[rayheartbliss]

i didnt see this so i cant give my full view..... but if they were 'laughing' at the fact that certain cultures use their hands to eat, then well...it certainly sounds racist, and no doubt if someone who uses their hands to eat and they saw people laughing about it, they would get offended.

[rayheartbliss]

Stop trying to act all highly and mighty
Because you're not
:idc:

This.

[Livia]

Cassie, look back at your own post ref Becky, you take double standards to a different level, but there again that dosent surprise me as your type are never wrong and we are all wrong.

In fact here is that post copied, I will let the others see who has double standards. I might be a prat but at least I am a contant prat.

you posted......

Becky has the personality of a precocious 8 year old.
She won't listen.
She gorges like a child left home alone and has turned off any intelligence required to socialise positively with others. She needs medication.
She is like a one man Lord of the flies.
C1 & C2 however are agents of the dark lord.

Unquote....

If you are not being offensive in this post I will run round Leeds butt naked.


Having a pop at someone because their fat isn't the same as being a racist. Fat people have a choice... if Becky stopped throwing sugar and saturated fat her neck she'd lose weight, but she revels in her obesity. People cannot choose their race.

I will alert the media so they can forewarn the people of Leeds to avert their eyes.

[sampvt]

you have some Indian friends and a Japanese friend?! Congratulations. Doesn't mean that people from the same ethnic groups must be wrong when they try to correct offensive statements you make. You repeatedly tell us you are married and have been for 40yrs, but I am confident a poll as to who here would hypothetically like to be your life partner would open your eyes to how unattractive, angry, narrow-minded, and bilious you are coming across. I suppose acknowledging some of the present concerns may force you to evaluate previous opinions, statements and actions and this may be too difficult to face up to.

By the way, some of your posts that have no sweeping generalisations, have been measured, funny and enjoyable. That is why I bother to whinge at you and don't even bother with the other guy who eggs you on.

I like to have a bet nowandagain and I would be willing to bet that if you lived in Leeds or maybe knew someone from Leeds that you could deputise and get them to meet me, I bet they would tell you I am a nice guy with a warped and dry sence of humour with loads of friends and should be in the house. You only judge me on my posts. Unlike some of the posters I love to get the juices flowing and vent in the face of the people, that to my mind, must struggle not to fall asleep at their laptops.

They use weird avatars to brighten up their personalities and hide behind the screen pretending to be outraged when in reality the couldnt give a toss. I think we shouls all follow my example....post you own picture, tell your correct age, dont kiss anyones arse and HAVE SOME BLOODY FUN, this is after all BB not songs of praise.

[cassieparis]

Cassie, look back at your own post ref Becky, you take double standards to a different level, but there again that dosent surprise me as your type are never wrong and we are all wrong.

In fact here is that post copied, I will let the others see who has doub
If you are not being offensive in this post I will run round Leeds butt naked.

Please start removing your clothes and issue the offence warning now.:joker:
I pray you look like Benedict or Makosi Musambasi.
I think you've left leave of your senses or just flamming. Again. :sleep:
I've pointed out facts about an individual. You have made comments that stereo type whole nations races women and life partners. :laugh2:
But do come again

[Livia]

I like to have a bet nowandagain and I would be willing to bet that if you lived in Leeds or maybe knew someone from Leeds that you could deputise and get them to meet me, I bet they would tell you I am a nice guy with a warped and dry sence of humour with loads of friends and should be in the house. You only judge me on my posts. Unlike some of the posters I love to get the juices flowing and vent in the face of the people, that to my mind, must struggle not to fall asleep at their laptops.

They use weird avatars to brighten up their personalities and hide behind the screen pretending to be outraged when in reality the couldnt give a toss. I think we shouls all follow my example....post you own picture, tell your correct age, dont kiss anyones arse and HAVE SOME BLOODY FUN, this is after all BB not songs of praise.

I wonder what did we all do on this forum without you to tell us where we've all been going wrong all this time?

[cassieparis]

Having a pop at someone because their fat isn't the same as being a racist. Fat people have a choice... if Becky stopped throwing sugar and saturated fat her neck she'd lose weight, but she revels in her obesity. People cannot choose their race.

I will alert the media so they can forewarn the people of Leeds to avert their eyes.

Thanks Livia. I appreciate this and the media warning :joker:
I haven't mentioned fat. Not once.
The Lord of the flies reference is that Becky is behaving towards others as they did Piggy in this novel. Not the other way around. I wasn't very clear.

[sampvt]

I wonder what did we all do on this forum without you to tell us where we've all been going wrong all this time?

You probably kissed each others arses and played at being pretend friends, I dont know, can you help me there because i am struggling for an answer that could shed light on the earth shattering question.

[rayheartbliss]

FOLLOW YOU'RE EXAMPLE!!! lmao...is this guy for real?

[cassieparis]

You probably kissed each others arses and played at being pretend friends, I dont know, can you help me there because i am struggling for an answer that could shed light on the earth shattering question.
Yesterday you issued a faux .. that French for false.. :whistle: apology for your "their good at maths and Home economics" comments.
Time to issue another one Deana lover....:hugesmile:
You've been a very very bad boy/girl :nono:

[Me. I Am Salman]

I like to have a bet nowandagain and I would be willing to bet that if you lived in Leeds or maybe knew someone from Leeds that you could deputise and get them to meet me, I bet they would tell you I am a nice guy with a warped and dry sence of humour with loads of friends and should be in the house. You only judge me on my posts. Unlike some of the posters I love to get the juices flowing and vent in the face of the people, that to my mind, must struggle not to fall asleep at their laptops.

They use weird avatars to brighten up their personalities and hide behind the screen pretending to be outraged when in reality the couldnt give a toss. I think we shouls all follow my example....post you own picture, tell your correct age, dont kiss anyones arse and HAVE SOME BLOODY FUN, this is after all BB not songs of praise.

Yes sampvt. Everyone is wrong apart from you, you're really popular in Leeds, you would be a brilliant housemate, you're posts are a bundle of fun etc etc

[optimisticcynic]

I like to have a bet nowandagain and I would be willing to bet that if you lived in Leeds or maybe knew someone from Leeds that you could deputise and get them to meet me, I bet they would tell you I am a nice guy with a warped and dry sence of humour with loads of friends and should be in the house. You only judge me on my posts. Unlike some of the posters I love to get the juices flowing and vent in the face of the people, that to my mind, must struggle not to fall asleep at their laptops.

They use weird avatars to brighten up their personalities and hide behind the screen pretending to be outraged when in reality the couldnt give a toss. I think we shouls all follow my example....post you own picture, tell your correct age, dont kiss anyones arse and HAVE SOME BLOODY FUN, this is after all BB not songs of praise.

I have nothing against your opinions about housemates, and fuel to a fire is brilliant for debate but the stereotyping and generalisations detract from the debate you wish to encourage.
For example, I like Deana and you clearly can't stand her. Were you to write "That cold-hearted calculating cow is manipulating others into behaviour that would show them up as villains to further her position as the nation's rescue puppy", I would gladly discuss this. However, were you to add on "like [enter ethnic minority here] always do to further their employability through the ridiculous concept of positive discrimination", I am no longer urged to discuss BB with you but want to discuss the generalisation you have associated with your main point. You are then left having to defend this position and the discussion ends up being about you and your views on race, gender and the like, which may not actually be how you really feel. This seems to be how a lot of threads have panned out.

[Livia]

You probably kissed each others arses and played at being pretend friends, I dont know, can you help me there because i am struggling for an answer that could shed light on the earth shattering question.

Mostly we followed the rule which says that you cannot insult other forum members. It's one I think you may have missed. But still, here you are, old enough to know better and acting like a child.

[JamesBond]

I've never heard of anyone eating cereal with their fingers, they were trying to take the piss and be funny.

[sampvt]

Mostly we followed the rule which says that you cannot insult other forum members. It's one I think you may have missed. But still, here you are, old enough to know better and acting like a child.

I do not now and have never directly insulted another poster. I give as much as I get and within the bounds of fairness, you call me a pig I call you a cow isnt being nasty, its called tit for tat and 2 rights dont make a wrong but one right and one wrong tend to cancel eachother out. Acting like a child is defo not one of my failings, arguing with them seems to be the trend though.

[chuff me dizzy]

I've never heard of anyone eating cereal with their fingers, they were trying to take the piss and be funny.

Just because youve not heard of it dpesnt mean to say they dont

[Raph]

Oh dear!

This. :tongue:

[Me. I Am Salman]

Just because youve not heard of it dpesnt mean to say they dont

Asian people do not eat cereal with their hands. Fact.
So they were stereotyping.

[chuff me dizzy]

Asian people do not eat cereal with their hands. Fact.
So they were stereotyping.

Please post evidence of this :idc: and you my dear are stereotyping by claiming they ALL dont

[Me. I Am Salman]

Please post evidence of this :idc: and you my dear are stereotyping by claiming they ALL dont

I am Asian.
Some foods are eaten with hands but no way are cereal & milk.

[JamesBond]

Just because youve not heard of it dpesnt mean to say they dont

I was talking about common sense, clearly it was not directed at you :)

[sampvt]

Dizzy dont argue with james bond, he is the Oracle we all should listen to. Actually he isnt a bad guy, he just bites a bit harder than most.

[chuff me dizzy]

I am Asian.
Some foods are eaten with hands but no way are cereal & milk.

You are ONE Asian ,not them all ,its like me saying all English people wipe their ass with their left hand, you are stereotyping

[chuff me dizzy]

Dizzy dont argue with james bond, he is the Oracle we all should listen to. Actually he isnt a bad guy, he just bites a bit harder than most.

As Im sure you have seen I have my own mind, I dont follow ,I lead,I think for myself and have my own opinions, let Bond do his worst, it will never change my opinion

[Me. I Am Salman]

You are ONE Asian ,not them all ,its like me saying all English people wipe their ass with their left hand, you are stereotyping

Yes I know nothing about Asian traditions because I don't have a family and don't know any Asian people apart from myself

[JamesBond]

Dizzy dont argue with james bond, he is the Oracle we all should listen to. Actually he isnt a bad guy, he just bites a bit harder than most.

Awww I love you 2 :)

[chuff me dizzy]

Yes I know nothing about Asian traditions because I don't have a family and don't know any Asian people apart from myself

so your family doesnt eat cereal with their hands ,does that mean to say no Asians do ? stereotyping

[JamesBond]

so your family doesnt eat cereal with their hands ,does that mean to say no Asians do ? stereotyping

I think you might be the smartest person in your family.

[chuff me dizzy]

I think you might be the smartest person in your family.

Be careful, you are going too far

[JamesBond]

Be careful, you are going too far

I was being nice :)

[Me. I Am Salman]

so your family doesnt eat cereal with their hands ,does that mean to say no Asians do ? stereotyping

You don't even know what you're saying :crazy:

The point I'm trying to make is that it's not an Asian tradition to eat cereal with your hands, which Ashleigh and Scott were trying to get at.

It's like trying to argue with a brick wall.

[JamesBond]

You don't even know what you're saying :crazy:

The point I'm trying to make is that it's not an Asian tradition to eat cereal with your hands, which Ashleigh and Scott were trying to get at.

It's like trying to argue with a brick wall.

Don't waste your time pal. Read it from her point of view and you'll see she's just playing up.

[art_apples]

so your family doesnt eat cereal with their hands ,does that mean to say no Asians do ? stereotyping

Just my two penny's worth....

You are WRONG in your assertion that Asian's might use their hands to eat cereal... they DON'T.

I am Asian myself and obviously beyond my entire family being Asian and growing up entirely embraced by Asian culture/food eating habits, I have visited India at least 10 times in my life including a 6 month motorcycle journey across the country and another 3 month backback across Northern India as well so I am very familiar with Indian culture here in the UK and in India itself.

The general culture with eating with your hands is varied in the country, loosely in the north of the country they use round thin breads (like roti's / chapati's / nan's / & paratha's) and tear them up to eat the curry's with, which unlike what a lot of people in the UK experience are more often much drier and certainly not drenched in a sauce. The bread acts as a shield to the curry in affect, you could say it's similar to someone here not eating burger meat with their hands and using a bun to hold it with, which keeps there hands clean from the burger fat/juices as well as the ketchup & mayo... so India is similar to that by using the breads. In the south of the country they mainly use rice, which unlike what we here in the UK think of rice is more like a sticky rice which absorbs the curry sauces.

So yes in India they do use their hands, but it is done in a way which doesn't get your hands messy. I've had English friends come round my house for an Indian meal and see them tear up the breads and attempt to use them the way an Indian would and expectantly it has been initially quite messy, so like using chopsticks for the first time I guess you would need practice to get it quite right. So Indian's are quite adept at using their hands in a clean way.

With reference to eating cereals. Traditionally in Asia there isn't a culture of eating 3 meals a day as there is in the west, certainly with the poorer parts of the population. Usually people just had a lunch and dinner. Over time breakfast has become more popular and in the urban areas and is basically standard now to have 3 meals as we do. However quite commonly breakfast is
exactly the same as what people might have for lunch. In much of Asia people would just have a noodle soup for example for breakfast.

In India though they now have what is regarded as the world's biggest middle class and also the fastest growing middle class (which has a lot to do with their rapid economic growth) and cereal's have now become like here a simple quick and easy breakfast to have. Categorically EVERYONE eating cereal in India would use a spoon to do so. It would be as unexpected and shocking to see or hear of anyone not doing so there as it would be over here.

The really poor and perhaps rural population's would either not have a breakfast at all or would definitely still eat an Indian meal for breakfast, maybe something simple like a dhal (lentil curry) with either a roti or rice (depending which part of the country they were from).

Cereal's being a western introduction to the country would only be eaten by the more middle class people in India, with a more modern lifestyle and more income to. Similarly other new foods like pizza's, burgers etc would be eaten by the middle classes only. The traditional poorer rural population would still have a more traditional Indian diet.

The only equivalent traditional Indian food that I can think of to a cereal would be the dessert Rasmalai...
http://www.spicytasty.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/rasamalai5.jpg
... which comes in a milk like sauce and again is always eaten with a spoon in India. Other common desserts like Kulfi (an Indian type of icecream) which is very popular there again is served with a small flat type of spoon (similar to a chip fork here, but with slight indentation's).

So, yeah as I was saying, this is my two penny's worth on that issue... and I can say for sure that you are wrong in your point that you made.

A quick add.... There is nothing wrong with Scott and Ashleigh raising the issue of Indian's eating with their hands if done in the manner of a conversation. In the west it's very common to use your hands as well (Ribs, Corn-on-the-cob, Burgers, Fries, Pizza's, Crisps etc.) but the way that they said it was wrong. It came across as being made in a derogatory way, which makes it offensive, and BB were right to bring them up on it.

[Livia]

Be careful, you are going too far

And of course, YOU have the monopoly on that, don't you Chuff.

[MrWong]

Just my two penny's worth....

You are WRONG in your assertion that Asian's might use their hands to eat cereal... they DON'T.

I am Asian myself and obviously beyond my entire family being Asian and growing up entirely embraced by Asian culture/food eating habits, I have visited India at least 10 times in my life including a 6 month motorcycle journey across the country and another 3 month backback across Northern India as well so I am very familiar with Indian culture here in the UK and in India itself.

The general culture with eating with your hands is varied in the country, loosely in the north of the country they use round thin breads (like roti's / chapati's / nan's / & paratha's) and tear them up to eat the curry's with, which unlike what a lot of people in the UK experience are more often much drier and certainly not drenched in a sauce. The bread acts as a shield to the curry in affect, you could say it's similar to someone here not eating burger meat with their hands and using a bun to hold it with, which keeps there hands clean from the burger fat/juices as well as the ketchup & mayo... so India is similar to that by using the breads. In the south of the country they mainly use rice, which unlike what we here in the UK think of rice is more like a sticky rice which absorbs the curry sauces.

So yes in India they do use their hands, but it is done in a way which doesn't get your hands messy. I've had English friends come round my house for an Indian meal and see them tear up the breads and attempt to use them the way an Indian would and expectantly it has been initially quite messy, so like using chopsticks for the first time I guess you would need practice to get it quite right. So Indian's are quite adept at using their hands in a clean way.

With reference to eating cereals. Traditionally in Asia there isn't a culture of eating 3 meals a day as there is in the west, certainly with the poorer parts of the population. Usually people just had a lunch and dinner. Over time breakfast has become more popular and in the urban areas and is basically standard now to have 3 meals as we do. However quite commonly breakfast is
exactly the same as what people might have for lunch. In much of Asia people would just have a noodle soup for example for breakfast.

In India though they now have what is regarded as the world's biggest middle class and also the fastest growing middle class (which has a lot to do with their rapid economic growth) and cereal's have now become like here a simple quick and easy breakfast to have. Categorically EVERYONE eating cereal in India would use a spoon to do so. It would be as unexpected and shocking to see or hear of anyone not doing so there as it would be over here.

The really poor and perhaps rural population's would either not have a breakfast at all or would definitely still eat an Indian meal for breakfast, maybe something simple like a dhal (lentil curry) with either a roti or rice (depending which part of the country they were from).

Cereal's being a western introduction to the country would only be eaten by the more middle class people in India, with a more modern lifestyle and more income to. Similarly other new foods like pizza's, burgers etc would be eaten by the middle classes only. The traditional poorer rural population would still have a more traditional Indian diet.

The only equivalent traditional Indian food that I can think of to a cereal would be the dessert Rasmalai...
http://www.spicytasty.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/rasamalai5.jpg
... which comes in a milk like sauce and again is always eaten with a spoon in India. Other common desserts like Kulfi (an Indian type of icecream) which is very popular there again is served with a small flat type of spoon (similar to a chip fork here, but with slight indentation's).

So, yeah as I was saying, this is my two penny's worth on that issue... and I can say for sure that you are wrong in your point that you made.

Great post!

Though it's wasted on chuff.

[Me. I Am Salman]

Great post!

Though it's wasted on chuff.

She'll probably just accuse the poster of stereotyping

[sampvt]

She'll probably just accuse the poster of stereotyping

Are you telling me that chuff is a female, holy crap I have him as a 6 foot hairy biker with snake and nazi tatoos, oh there I go again stereotying, lol. Silly me.

:banana::banana::banana:

[Me. I Am Salman]

Are you telling me that chuff is a female, holy crap I have him as a 6 foot hairy biker with snake and nazi tatoos, oh there I go again stereotying, lol. Silly me.

:banana::banana::banana:

I actually wouldn't be surprised if you're telling the truth.

[sampvt]

Salman I love you to bits and you are one of my fav one liner daft silly posters but I havent got a clue who chuff is honest.

Chuff PM me and give me the heads up please.

[chuff me dizzy]

You don't even know what you're saying :crazy:

The point I'm trying to make is that it's not an Asian tradition to eat cereal with your hands, which Ashleigh and Scott were trying to get at.

It's like trying to argue with a brick wall.

I have seen with my own two eyes Asains eating with their hands

[chuff me dizzy]

Salman I love you to bits and you are one of my fav one liner daft silly posters but I havent got a clue who chuff is honest.

Chuff PM me and give me the heads up please.

Cheeky mare !! :joker::joker: Im all woman

[chuff me dizzy]

Just my two penny's worth....

You are WRONG in your assertion that Asian's might use their hands to eat cereal... they DON'T.

I am Asian myself and obviously beyond my entire family being Asian and growing up entirely embraced by Asian culture/food eating habits, I have visited India at least 10 times in my life including a 6 month motorcycle journey across the country and another 3 month backback across Northern India as well so I am very familiar with Indian culture here in the UK and in India itself.

The general culture with eating with your hands is varied in the country, loosely in the north of the country they use round thin breads (like roti's / chapati's / nan's / & paratha's) and tear them up to eat the curry's with, which unlike what a lot of people in the UK experience are more often much drier and certainly not drenched in a sauce. The bread acts as a shield to the curry in affect, you could say it's similar to someone here not eating burger meat with their hands and using a bun to hold it with, which keeps there hands clean from the burger fat/juices as well as the ketchup & mayo... so India is similar to that by using the breads. In the south of the country they mainly use rice, which unlike what we here in the UK think of rice is more like a sticky rice which absorbs the curry sauces.

So yes in India they do use their hands, but it is done in a way which doesn't get your hands messy. I've had English friends come round my house for an Indian meal and see them tear up the breads and attempt to use them the way an Indian would and expectantly it has been initially quite messy, so like using chopsticks for the first time I guess you would need practice to get it quite right. So Indian's are quite adept at using their hands in a clean way.

With reference to eating cereals. Traditionally in Asia there isn't a culture of eating 3 meals a day as there is in the west, certainly with the poorer parts of the population. Usually people just had a lunch and dinner. Over time breakfast has become more popular and in the urban areas and is basically standard now to have 3 meals as we do. However quite commonly breakfast is
exactly the same as what people might have for lunch. In much of Asia people would just have a noodle soup for example for breakfast.

In India though they now have what is regarded as the world's biggest middle class and also the fastest growing middle class (which has a lot to do with their rapid economic growth) and cereal's have now become like here a simple quick and easy breakfast to have. Categorically EVERYONE eating cereal in India would use a spoon to do so. It would be as unexpected and shocking to see or hear of anyone not doing so there as it would be over here.

The really poor and perhaps rural population's would either not have a breakfast at all or would definitely still eat an Indian meal for breakfast, maybe something simple like a dhal (lentil curry) with either a roti or rice (depending which part of the country they were from).

Cereal's being a western introduction to the country would only be eaten by the more middle class people in India, with a more modern lifestyle and more income to. Similarly other new foods like pizza's, burgers etc would be eaten by the middle classes only. The traditional poorer rural population would still have a more traditional Indian diet.

The only equivalent traditional Indian food that I can think of to a cereal would be the dessert Rasmalai...
http://www.spicytasty.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/rasamalai5.jpg
... which comes in a milk like sauce and again is always eaten with a spoon in India. Other common desserts like Kulfi (an Indian type of icecream) which is very popular there again is served with a small flat type of spoon (similar to a chip fork here, but with slight indentation's).

So, yeah as I was saying, this is my two penny's worth on that issue... and I can say for sure that you are wrong in your point that you made.

A quick add.... There is nothing wrong with Scott and Ashleigh raising the issue of Indian's eating with their hands if done in the manner of a conversation. In the west it's very common to use your hands as well (Ribs, Corn-on-the-cob, Burgers, Fries, Pizza's, Crisps etc.) but the way that they said it was wrong. It came across as being made in a derogatory way, which makes it offensive, and BB were right to bring them up on it.

All that copy and pasting ,and Im not in the slightest interested in a single word of it, good try, but major fail :idc:

[Me. I Am Salman]

All that copy and pasting ,and Im not in the slightest interested in a single word of it, good try, but major fail :idc:

No, you're just too ****ing illiterate to understand it

[Me. I Am Salman]

I have seen with my own two eyes Asains eating with their hands

Eating cereal with their hands?
And if they was, it suddenly means all Asian people eat cereal with their hands?
Stereotyping.

[Jezzy]

I have seen with my own two eyes Asains eating with their hands

I bet they weren't eating cereal though ;)

I've seen with my own two eyes people of all nationalities eating chicken wings, burgers, pizza with their hands.

I don't think there's any nation on Earth daft enough to try to eat cereal / soup / other liquid foods with their hands...

I have, however, seen uncouth Brits slurping cereal directly from the bowl! Gross :)

[chuff me dizzy]

Eating cereal with their hands?
And if they was, it suddenly means all Asian people eat cereal with their hands?
Stereotyping.

No love, the tag of stereotyper belongs to YOU

[Me. I Am Salman]

No love, the tag of stereotyper belongs to YOU

You're in your own world Chuff. I don't think you realise that the majority of people reading this thread are laughing at your stupidity.

[chuff me dizzy]

You're in your own world Chuff. I don't think you realise that the majority of people reading this thread are laughing at your stupidity.

Ask me if I care ?

[robb]

No question he deserves a rebuke from BB. The problem is that with all these warnings ( AND why weren't they issued before?) some of the housemates , like caroline, are attempting to change their WHOLE personality.

[MatthewS]

Agreed. Seriously. With all these "warnings" over the slightest little thing, Big Brother is essentially manipulating how the housemates act. I want to see them be "real" and act as they normally would, not be sheeps and act as Big Brother deems "acceptable". That's not the point of the show. If someone is a racist/nasty/bullying, then the public won't vote for them and they'll be evicted. That right there should be the punishment. And if the public doesn't choose to evict them, then that's just the nature of the game. I'd like to give Big Brother a warning tbh, stop trying to manipulate how the housemates act.

[chuff me dizzy]

Agreed. Seriously. With all these "warnings" over the slightest little thing, Big Brother is essentially manipulating how the housemates act. I want to see them be "real" and act as they normally would, not be sheeps and act as Big Brother deems "acceptable". That's not the point of the show. If someone is a racist/nasty/bullying, then the public won't vote for them and they'll be evicted. That right there should be the punishment. And if the public doesn't choose to evict them, then that's just the nature of the game. I'd like to give Big Brother a warning tbh, stop trying to manipulate how the housemates act.

Well said !!

[fruit_cake]

Are you telling me that chuff is a female, holy crap I have him as a 6 foot hairy biker with snake and nazi tatoos, oh there I go again stereotying, lol. Silly me.

:banana::banana::banana:

I actually wouldn't be surprised if you're telling the truth.

Chuff isn't the subject of this thread, you should keep your thoughts to yourself and answer her points :nono:

[MatthewS]

Hahaha thanks.

I guess I'm just a purist. Put a bunch of people in the house, and video everything. Let them be. Obviously if someone draws a fake mustache on and starts walking around shouting "heil hitler", step in. But short of blatant and malicious racism & bullying, etc., let the public decide the outcome. It's fairly straight forward.

[chuff me dizzy]

Hahaha thanks.

I guess I'm just a purist. Put a bunch of people in the house, and video everything. Let them be. Obviously if someone draws a fake mustache on and starts walking around shouting "heil hitler", step in. But short of blatant and malicious racism & bullying, etc., let the public decide the outcome. It's fairly straight forward.

Totally agree,they are all adults and should not be told how to behave,but your are lucky,you dont live in PC crazy England

[Jezzy]

Agreed. Seriously. With all these "warnings" over the slightest little thing, Big Brother is essentially manipulating how the housemates act.

I would like to agree with your statement as a whole. However, C5 cannot be seen to be condoning behaviour that is going to get a whole lot of complaints made to OFCOM. It's a worm's nest.

[chuff me dizzy]

Chuff isn't the subject of this thread, you should keep your thoughts to yourself and answer her points :nono:

Water off a ducks back to me Fruity, they do the same every year,but I still speak my mind and get my opinions across ,They hate the fact Im not a sheep ,i see through people,

[Jords]

No Chuff you ignore the points people make and just repeat yourself, itd be cool to have a good fair debate and not just go on and on.

[chuff me dizzy]

No Chuff you ignore the points people make and just repeat yourself, itd be cool to have a good fair debate and not just go on and on.

Your opinion,and youre entitled to it

[Jords]

-______________-

[JamesBond]

No Chuff you ignore the points people make and just repeat yourself, itd be cool to have a good fair debate and not just go on and on.

I think there's a general consensus

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Your opinion,and youre entitled to it

I like you! You always stick to your guns ! :hug:

[MatthewS]

I would like to agree with your statement as a whole. However, C5 cannot be seen to be condoning behaviour that is going to get a whole lot of complaints made to OFCOM. It's a worm's nest.

I guess so. I'm just curious to know the legal ramifications and power of ofcom. I mean, obviously Channel 5 can't control what comes out of peoples mouths, nor should they really. It's a reality TV show afterall, people who watch are well aware of that. So really, what can ofcom do? And, short of blatant racial comments and aggressive behavior, which obviously Channel 5 will act on, does ofcom really even have a say? I don't see why they should...

[Jezzy]

I guess so. I'm just curious to know the legal ramifications and power of ofcom. I mean, obviously Channel 5 can't control what comes out of peoples mouths, nor should they really. It's a reality TV show afterall, people who watch are well aware of that. So really, what can ofcom do? And, short of blatant racial comments and aggressive behavior, which obviously Channel 5 will act on, does ofcom really even have a say? I don't see why they should...

In a country where they take a twitter user to court for joking to his girlfriend that he was going to blow Robin Hood Airport sky-high (I just repeated it! :O) you have to be very, very careful. It's a sad and ****ty state of affairs, but This is England.

[MatthewS]

I'm sure they could try and shut BB down if they really wanted to, but I'm curious as to the legalities of it. If BB challenged the shut down in court, surely they would come out on top....? At least one would think so....

Yes I suppose I am lucky, Canada certainly has its fair share of problems, but it does appear we aren't as bothered with achieving 100% Political Correctness like what appears to be the case in England these days.

[chuff me dizzy]

I like you! You always stick to your guns ! :hug:

Always have done,always will do

[chuff me dizzy]

In a country where they take a twitter user to court for joking to his girlfriend that he was going to blow Robin Hood Airport sky-high (I just repeated it! :O) you have to be very, very careful. It's a sad and ****ty state of affairs, but This is England.

To think our Grandads fought for our freedom, they would spin in their graves if they saw todays England

[Me. I Am Salman]

Always have done,always will do

The thing is Chuff, as Jords said you never reply to the points people make. Your opinion would be respected much more if you did, but you don't.

Why?

[chuff me dizzy]

The thing is Chuff, as Jords said you never reply to the points people make. Your opinion would be respected much more if you did, but you don't.

Why?

I express my OWN views ,if you chose to like or loath them is down to you,but you can be sure Im always honest ,and always honourable, I like good people and like good deeds, dont suffer fools gladly and call a spade a spade, that what we do in Yorkshire

[Jezzy]

To think our Grandads fought for our freedom, they would spin in their graves if they saw todays England

Voltaire : I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.

[JamesBond]

I express my OWN views ,if you chose to like or loath them is down to you,but you can be sure Im always honest ,and always honourable, I like good people and like good deeds, dont suffer fools gladly and call a spade a spade, that what we do in Yorkshire

Lmao you just did it again.

[chuff me dizzy]

Voltaire : I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.

Exactly !!

[Me. I Am Salman]

I express my OWN views ,if you chose to like or loath them is down to you,but you can be sure Im always honest ,and always honourable, I like good people and like good deeds, dont suffer fools gladly and call a spade a spade, that what we do in Yorkshire

ffs :rolleyes:
Should I make it more clearer for you?

Why do you ignore the points people make chuff

[MatthewS]

*grabs popcorn*

[chuff me dizzy]

*grabs popcorn*

Put it down Im not rising to their bait ,its boring :bored:

[Me. I Am Salman]

You've just confirmed you're living in your own little world

[chuff me dizzy]

You've just confirmed you're living in your own little world

I do not have to confirm or deny anything to you Salman

[Withano]

It's stereotyping and is still offensive. Big brother fans really piss me off, can you imagine the reaction if they didn't get a warning? Stop finding excuses to whine.

[gold1975]

Remember this is UK 2012 the PC police would have went nuts if there wasn't some sort of action taken & producers wouldn't have wanted to hide it because it was a certainty to get some extra publicity.

[Kizzy]

They made far to big a deal of it than they should of. As far as Im aware commenting on or discussing other cultures is not a crime.

[JamesBond]

I love how people are like I don't understand it so it really doesn't matter :laugh:

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

It's stereotyping and is still offensive. Big brother fans really piss me off, can you imagine the reaction if they didn't get a warning? Stop finding excuses to whine.

Agreed, but it's not racist. A formal warning seems a bit over the top to me.

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

They made far to big a deal of it than they should of. As far as Im aware commenting on or discussing other cultures is not a crime.

Exactly. And they got a warning for that? It's crazy! :crazy:

[sampvt]

The thing is Chuff, as Jords said you never reply to the points people make. Your opinion would be respected much more if you did, but you don't.

Why?

Is there an echo in here, you said the exact same words to me last week, lol. consistent if nothing else. :sleep:

[chuff me dizzy]

Is there an echo in here, you said the exact same words to me last week, lol. consistent if nothing else. :sleep:

Could it be because we dont kiss deana ass ? :pipe:

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Is there an echo in here, you said the exact same words to me last week, lol. consistent if nothing else. :sleep:

I think some people get far too personal in here. We should be free to write what we like as long as we respect the forum rules. :)

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Could it be because we dont kiss deana ass ? :pipe:

I think so! I got told the same thing once in here! :hugesmile:

[MatthewS]

The housemates should be free to say and act as they normally would as well, doesn't work like that though apparently lol

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

The housemates should be free to say and act as they normally would as well, doesn't work like that though apparently lol

They still need to respect Big Brother rules. :blush:

[chuff me dizzy]

I think so! I got told the same thing once in here! :hugesmile:

Goes in one ear, and out the other with me

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Goes in one ear, and out the other with me

No one has the right to tell us what to post. We can do what we like! :dance:

[sampvt]

No one has the right to tell us what to post. We can do what we like! :dance:

The mods on here are very good, if its a debate were 2 are bantering and its 50 50, they dont get involved but if a post comes up with similar language with zero provocation, you get clouted. Dizzy and myself get nailed regularly but like her I wont back away from self opinionated one liner lazy PC cyber warriors. We generally have fun with vinegar attached but it goes both ways. its give and take if within boundaries.

[smeagol]

No one has the right to tell us what to post. We can do what we like! :dance:

tell that to the mods lol or the skinheads and punks lol

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

tell that to the mods lol or the skinheads and punks lol

Obviously we need to respect the forum rules! I know that! :tongue:

[chuff me dizzy]

The mods on here are very good, if its a debate were 2 are bantering and its 50 50, they dont get involved but if a post comes up with similar language with zero provocation, you get clouted. Dizzy and myself get nailed regularly but like her I wont back away from self opinionated one liner lazy PC cyber warriors. We generally have fun with vinegar attached but it goes both ways. its give and take if within boundaries.

I got a crazy infraction today !!!!!!!

[JTM45]

They made far to big a deal of it than they should of. As far as Im aware commenting on or discussing other cultures is not a crime.

If you really believe that's all they were doing then you're either being purposely blinkered or you just don't understand the situation.:rolleyes:
It was not a conversation about other people's cultures, it was a clear and blatant attempt to niggle at and take cheap and offensive digs at Deana's racial background.

I got a crazy infraction today !!!!!!!

I'm very glad that you did. It's well overdue in my opinion!

[rayheartbliss]

I wont back away from self opinionated one liner lazy PC cyber warriors.

LOOL you shouldn't say stuff like that bout yourself.

[Me. I Am Salman]

Is there an echo in here, you said the exact same words to me last week, lol. consistent if nothing else. :sleep:

when?

[rayheartbliss]

If you really believe that's all they were doing then you're either being purposely blinkered or you just don't understand the situation.:rolleyes:
It was not a conversation about other people's cultures, it was a clear and blatant attempt to niggle at and take cheap and offensive digs at Deana's racial background.

exactly right!!!

[Me. I Am Salman]

The mods on here are very good, if its a debate were 2 are bantering and its 50 50, they dont get involved but if a post comes up with similar language with zero provocation, you get clouted. Dizzy and myself get nailed regularly but like her I wont back away from self opinionated one liner lazy PC cyber warriors. We generally have fun with vinegar attached but it goes both ways. its give and take if within boundaries.

You're probably just a multi account Chuff made tbh

[Me. I Am Salman]

I got a crazy infraction today !!!!!!!

:shocked:
But you could never do wrong, you're always right!

[sampvt]

You're probably just a multi account Chuff made tbh

Chuff can you shoot under par golf, stand up to pee and tell your wife she lucky to be married to such a nice man. Salman thinks we are one of the same.

[chuff me dizzy]

Chuff can you shoot under par golf, stand up to pee and tell your wife she lucky to be married to such a nice man. Salman thinks we are one of the same.

I cant play golf, had to stand for a pee in railway station in Pisa last week as that was the only loo there was,I tell my lovely hubby often how lucky he is to be married to me,so sorry to pee on Salmans bonfire, you are not me

[Me. I Am Salman]

I cant play golf, had to stand for a pee in railway station in Pisa last week as that was the only loo there was,I tell my lovely hubby often how lucky he is to be married to me,so sorry to pee on Salmans bonfire, you are not me

Then ,if you both , are actually being yourselves,I question your morals

[chuff me dizzy]

Then ,if you both , are actually being yourselves,I question your morals

At least i own morals

[Me. I Am Salman]

Really
ok

[JTM45]

At least i own morals

:joker::joker::joker::joker:

I've yet to see any evidence of this!

[JamesBond]

At least i own morals

Morals wtf? Your avatar is baby smoking.

[Jezzy]

:joker::joker::joker::joker:

I've yet to see any evidence of this!

Chuff is lovely, and I've never once thought of her as amoral. She speaks as she sees.

[Jezzy]

Plus a little bit of bonfire-stoking :P

[chuff me dizzy]

Chuff is lovely, and I've never once thought of her as amoral. She speaks as she sees.

People dont like honesty, but it says more about them than me :joker:

[chuff me dizzy]

Plus a little bit of bonfire-stoking :P

:joker:

[aman201]

they edited that clip they used accents as well

is there a video of this?