Luke A saying "Yes! they are shouting get Caroline out "

[kistar]

Right in front of Caroline , that wasn't very nice , the boy is a nasty bitter and twisted grandad who spends his whole day lying around bitching and smoking.

[chuff me dizzy]

Hold on a second sunbeam Who has jumped up punching the air at every eviction in front of the evicted hm8s face ? Caroline ,Luke A was winning some karma and Im glad he did

[Holly Christmas]

Right in front of Caroline , that wasn't very nice , the boy is a nasty bitter and twisted grandad who spends his whole day lying around bitching and smoking.

:hugesmile: I don't get all the hate for Luke A, it amuses me.

btw, Caroline spends her whole day lying around bitching and stuffing her face.

[kistar]

:hugesmile: I don't get all the hate for Luke A, it amuses me.

btw, Caroline spends her whole day lying around bitching and stuffing her face.

I didn't say she doesn't , I was talking about Luke A.

[Black Dagger]

Is this the same Caroline that started cheering when Chris left, and started jumping and running and calling Benedict a wanker when he got evicted?

[chuff me dizzy]

is this the same caroline that started cheering when chris left, and started jumping and running and calling benedict a wanker when he got evicted?

exactly !!!!!!!!

[kistar]

Hold on a second sunbeam Who has jumped up punching the air at every eviction in front of the evicted hm8s face ? Caroline ,Luke A was winning some karma and Im glad he did

My point is Luke A is as much of a bitch as Caroline .

[ChristmasNeeve]

Hold on a second sunbeam Who has jumped up punching the air at every eviction in front of the evicted hm8s face ? Caroline ,Luke A was winning some karma and Im glad he did

This.

here's a song just for you

TOrnUquxtwA

[kistar]

Is this the same Caroline that started cheering when Chris left, and started jumping and running and calling Benedict a wanker when he got evicted?

So maybe we should put Luke A in the same category as her then?

[HBB1508]

If Carolwhine had been the epitome of niceness I might have taken this thread seriously but as she's been a totally nasty hateful person I'm afraid to say she had it coming in bucket loads and good for Luke A for pointing it out to her.

[Holly Christmas]

I didn't say she doesn't , I was talking about Luke A.

you mentioned Caroline, so I made a comparison. She's so good at dishing it out, it's actually great to see someone have a go back, I've loved both Luke A and Sara for doing exactly that this week :love:

[Saph]

I didnt notice it, but Luke A is has gone way down in my estimations this week.. being saved obviously gave him a arrogance boost.

[Black Dagger]

So maybe we should put Luke A in the same category as her then?

I didn't say Luke A wasn't bitchy, but if she can dish out her nasty, ruthless side and cheer and whoop and fistpump when people get evicted, she can take the consequences.

[Tom4784]

The difference is that Luke A thinks he's better then Caroline, if he really was then he'd have risen above it but he didn't. He's just as bad as she is but he's more sly about it and a whole lot less entertaining.

[chuff me dizzy]

My point is Luke A is as much of a bitch as Caroline .

Is he hellaslike !! you are talking out of your ass ,what wrong are you a Deana fan ? has it sunk in Luke A will win ? sour grapes flower ....very hard to swallow

[kistar]

you mentioned Caroline, so I made a comparison. She's so good at dishing it out, it's actually great to see someone have a go back, I've loved both Luke A and Sara for doing exactly that this week :love:

And to be true she does need putting in her place for sure , but she is not the only bitchy housemate , and she does have youth on her side, Luke A is 31 going on 104. he is much more subtle with his nastiness and I don't like that about him. I know Caroline can be a nightmare in my humble opinion she just needs a bit more life experience.

[chuff me dizzy]

This.

here's a song just for you

TOrnUquxtwA

:joker::joker:

[kistar]

i am so not a Deana fan no way.

[kistar]

The difference is that Luke A thinks he's better then Caroline, if he really was then he'd have risen above it but he didn't. He's just as bad as she is but he's more sly about it and a whole lot less entertaining.

Exactly

[InOne]

He's in his 30's. He should stop being so childish.

[kistar]

He's in his 30's. He should stop being so childish.

That's exactly what I think.

[muchadoaboutnothing]

Hold on a second sunbeam Who has jumped up punching the air at every eviction in front of the evicted hm8s face ? Caroline ,Luke A was winning some karma and Im glad he did

Spot on Chuff. How easily people forget. I recall benedict having a go at Caroline for cheering when Chris and Victoria left the house. Karma indeed. So pleased Luke A gave her a taste of her own medicine.

[chuff me dizzy]

Spot on Chuff. How easily people forget. I recall benedict having a go at Caroline for cheering when Chris and Victoria left the house. Karma indeed. So pleased Luke A gave her a taste of her own medicine.

I hope he tells her again tonight, because if anything she will get it even louder tonight :dance::dance:

[kistar]

Spot on Chuff. How easily people forget. I recall benedict having a go at Caroline for cheering when Chris and Victoria left the house. Karma indeed. So pleased Luke A gave her a taste of her own medicine.

And there fore becomes the same as her .

[Tom4784]

At least she's up front about being awful, he tries too hard to come across as a decent human being.

[kistar]

Set an example show Caroline how he thought she should have acted, rather than do exactly the same thing puts him in the same category, if he is not careful he will become the new villain.

[In the Drunk Tank]

At least she's up front about being awful, he tries too hard to come across as a decent human being.

I'm starting to agree with this really, I don't mind him but he's desperate to present himself as a really nice, genuine guy contrasted with the terrible human beings of the Insiders

[kistar]

I'm starting to agree with this really, I don't mind him but he's desperate to present himself as a really nice, genuine guy contrasted with the terrible human beings of the Insiders

And he is doing the things he said he hated about the insiders he is a hypocrite .

[Patricia4]

Luke A is a wicked human being.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Is he hellaslike !! you are talking out of your ass ,what wrong are you a Deana fan ? has it sunk in Luke A will win ? sour grapes flower ....very hard to swallow

Most Deana fans like Luke A :pipe:

[ChristmasNeeve]

People deserve to be treated the way they treat others, only way they'll learn imo

[chuff me dizzy]

People deserve to be treated the way they treat others, only way they'll learn imo

I think this is lacking in Carolines life, clearly been spoilt to the extreme,maybe by parents who have dumped her off in boarding school and made her someone elses problem

[kistar]

People deserve to be treated the way they treat others, only way they'll learn imo

I personally think you should treat others how you want to be treated your self, live by example it's the only way to make a difference, tit for tat is ridiculous and things never get resolved, in a personal war like they are having one party needs to move things forward by changing how they are , understanding the bigger picture and knowing that's how to get resolution. Luke A is 31 he should be doing that.

[chuff me dizzy]

I personally think you should treat others how you want to be treated your self, live by example it's the only way to make a difference, tit for tat is ridiculous and things never get resolved, in a personal war like they are having one party needs to move things forward by changing how they are , understanding the bigger picture and knowing that's how to get resolution. Luke A is 31 he should be doing that.

So because Luke is 31 he should take **** from a teenage brat ? i dont think so

[ChristmasNeeve]

I think this is lacking in Carolines life, clearly been spoilt to the extreme,maybe by parents who have dumped her off in boarding school and made her someone elses problem

That seems pretty likely Chuff.

I personally think you should treat others how you want to be treated your self, live by example it's the only way to make a difference, tit for tat is ridiculous and things never get resolved, in a personal war like they are having one party needs to move things forward by changing how they are , understanding the bigger picture and knowing that's how to get resolution. Luke A is 31 he should be doing that.

I disagree, in my own personal experience I've found if you let people get away with bad behaviour they'll keep on walking all over you, if you stand up for yourself and give back what you're getting from them, they tend to not treat you badly in future. It doesn't change them in general but it does make them treat you personally different because they know you won't be treated that way easily. I don't think people like Caroline learn from others being nice, that just makes them push boundaries even further.

What you're saying should be the way to change peoples perspectives but sadly it just doesn't work on most people.

[Holly Christmas]

That seems pretty likely Chuff.



I disagree, in my own personal experience I've found if you let people get away with bad behaviour they'll keep on walking all over you, if you stand up for yourself and give back what you're getting from them, they tend to not treat you badly in future. It doesn't change them in general but it does make them treat you personally different because they know you won't be treated that way easily. I don't think people like Caroline learn from others being nice, that just makes them push boundaries even further.

What you're saying should be the way to change peoples perspectives but sadly it just doesn't work on most people.

this is SO TRUE. It is as much to do with how a person reacts as to how a situation will progress. It's sometimes hard to stand up to very dominant people, but it's better for people to do it straight off the bat, than try to do so later on, if possible.

[chuff me dizzy]

That seems pretty likely Chuff.



I disagree, in my own personal experience I've found if you let people get away with bad behaviour they'll keep on walking all over you, if you stand up for yourself and give back what you're getting from them, they tend to not treat you badly in future. It doesn't change them in general but it does make them treat you personally different because they know you won't be treated that way easily. I don't think people like Caroline learn from others being nice, that just makes them push boundaries even further.

What you're saying should be the way to change peoples perspectives but sadly it just doesn't work on most people.

True ,for months when i was in junior school this minger used to stand and wait for me at school gates to scrag me all over playground with my hair, I was **** scared of her and didnt tell my Mam,but someone else did, she went nuts, she said tomorrow you hit her back or you will get it forever, all the way up the hill next morning i was shaking like a ****ting dog, but there she was ,stood waiting ,and before she got chance to grab my hair I twatted her a beauty, she never did it again !!

[Tom4784]

So because Luke is 31 he should take **** from a teenage brat ? i dont think so

He should be old enough to know to rise above it.

[chuff me dizzy]

He should be old enough to know to rise above it.

No way should he take it,no matter what his age

[ChristmasNeeve]

He should be old enough to know to rise above it.

The minute you hit your 30's you should become a doormat? I don't think so.

[MatthewS]

^^

You think that Caroline is a dominant person? Compared to Luke A? :conf:

[Vicky.]

I disagree, in my own personal experience I've found if you let people get away with bad behaviour they'll keep on walking all over you, if you stand up for yourself and give back what you're getting from them, they tend to not treat you badly in future. It doesn't change them in general but it does make them treat you personally different because they know you won't be treated that way easily. I don't think people like Caroline learn from others being nice, that just makes them push boundaries even further.

What you're saying should be the way to change peoples perspectives but sadly it just doesn't work on most people.
Indeed.

Petty as it may be, Im all for tit for tat. Rather that than be a doormat :pipe:

[Tom4784]

Caroline is childish and looking for a reaction, by playing her at her own game he's just shown himself to be just as bad rather then being seen as being better.

It takes a better person to rise above it then to resort to tit for tat.

[ChristmasNeeve]

^^

You think that Caroline is a dominant person? Compared to Luke A? :conf:

I think she's a person who has constantly tried to belittle her HMs and acts in an incredibly insensitive manner

[chuff me dizzy]

Caroline is childish and looking for a reaction, by playing her at her own game he's just shown himself to be just as bad rather then being seen as being better.

It takes a better person to rise above it then to resort to tit for tat.

Naah :nono:......revenge is sweet

[MatthewS]

I think she's a person who has constantly tried to belittle her HMs and acts in an incredibly insensitive manner

Kinda like how she belittled Sara last night? :joker:

[Ellen]

Caroline is childish and looking for a reaction, by playing her at her own game he's just shown himself to be just as bad rather then being seen as being better.

It takes a better person to rise above it then to resort to tit for tat.

Agree, Caroline could not care less what Adam or Luke A do or think about her, by resorting to playing her games they just look has childish has her & for grown men at their age it is sad.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Kinda like how she belittled Sara last night? :joker:

Yes just like that :spin:

[MatthewS]

Agree, Caroline could not care less what Adam or Luke A do or think about her, by resorting to playing her games they just look has childish has her & for grown men at their age it is sad.

Why should she care though? They don't like eachother. It's a two way street. I doubt Adam or Luke A care about what Caroline thinks/says about them either.

Truth be told, I like that the line is clearly drawn. It's better then them being "fake nice" just because....

[Gillian-73]

That seems pretty likely Chuff.



I disagree, in my own personal experience I've found if you let people get away with bad behaviour they'll keep on walking all over you, if you stand up for yourself and give back what you're getting from them, they tend to not treat you badly in future. It doesn't change them in general but it does make them treat you personally different because they know you won't be treated that way easily. I don't think people like Caroline learn from others being nice, that just makes them push boundaries even further.

What you're saying should be the way to change peoples perspectives but sadly it just doesn't work on most people.

Well said. Brilliant
post, i totally agree!

[Withano]

People only like him because he's an outsider! He's not very nice at all.

[chuff me dizzy]

People only like him because he's an outsider! He's not very nice at all.

nothing to do with him being "an outsider"I like him as a person

[robb]

And to be true she does need putting in her place for sure , but she is not the only bitchy housemate , and she does have youth on her side, Luke A is 31 going on 104. he is much more subtle with his nastiness and I don't like that about him. I know Caroline can be a nightmare in my humble opinion she just needs a bit more life experience.

Don't like her, but she is an easy target now. The insiders are the equivalent of the living dead after last week's cheers/jeers revelations.
Sara and Luke A are simply reacting to the crowd reaction.
Strange last night though that when BB asked Luke A WHICH HOUSEMATE HE WOULD LIKE BACK IN THE HOUSE he said.....Victoria......what was THAT about???:conf:

[ChristmasNeeve]

Don't like her, but she is an easy target now. The insiders are the equivalent of the living dead after last week's cheers/jeers revelations.
Sara and Luke A are simply reacting to the crowd reaction.
Strange last night though that when BB asked Luke A WHICH HOUSEMATE HE WOULD LIKE BACK IN THE HOUSE he said.....Victoria......what was THAT about???:conf:

I thought his reason for it was pretty explanatory

[brushstrokes101]

Agree, Caroline could not care less what Adam or Luke A do or think about her, by resorting to playing her games they just look has childish has her & for grown men at their age it is sad.

mmmmmmm... I think you'll find she cares very much, she realises that they along with Deanna, Sara and now maybe Scott see right through her. she is not some child just 'playing games' she is a disturbed woman who sets out to deliberatley annihalate people's characters ( behind there backs) and alienate them from the rest of the group this actually gives her great pleasure. (The incident with deanna and hairs on the table springs to mind) Lauren actually touched on it while she was in the house Caroline picks her victims week by week and then drops poison about them into the ears of other hms.Strangely enough she picks on people who are actually quite decent human beings which says a lot about her. I actually think caroline needs psychological help and that she's a very damaged young woman. Her antics are not those of someone having a laugh she really is a spiteful person who enjoys the discomfort of others.

[ChristmasNeeve]

mmmmmmm... I think you'll find she cares very much, she realises that they along with Deanna, Sara and now maybe Scott see right through her. she is not some child just 'playing games' she is a disturbed woman who sets out to deliberatley annihalate people's characters ( behind there backs) and alienate them from the rest of the group this actually gives her great pleasure. (The incident with deanna and hairs on the table springs to mind) Lauren actually touched on it while she was in the house Caroline picks her victims week by week and then drops poison about them into the ears of other hms.Strangely enough she picks on people who are actually quite decent human beings which says a lot about her. I actually think caroline needs psychological help and that she's a very damaged young woman. Her antics are not those of someone having a laugh she really is a spiteful person who enjoys the discomfort of others.

Great post, spot on.

[Livia]

If I'd been in there and I'd heard the "Get Caroline Out!" chants I'd have been right up in her grill saying HahaHA! In! Your! Face! " . I think Luke was quite restrained.

[ChristmasNeeve]

If I'd been in there and I'd heard the "Get Caroline Out!" chants I'd have been right up in her grill saying HahaHA! In! Your! Face! " . I think Luke was quite restrained.

:laugh:

[Ellen]

mmmmmmm... I think you'll find she cares very much, she realises that they along with Deanna, Sara and now maybe Scott see right through her. she is not some child just 'playing games' she is a disturbed woman who sets out to deliberatley annihalate people's characters ( behind there backs) and alienate them from the rest of the group this actually gives her great pleasure. (The incident with deanna and hairs on the table springs to mind) Lauren actually touched on it while she was in the house Caroline picks her victims week by week and then drops poison about them into the ears of other hms.Strangely enough she picks on people who are actually quite decent human beings which says a lot about her. I actually think caroline needs psychological help and that she's a very damaged young woman. Her antics are not those of someone having a laugh she really is a spiteful person who enjoys the discomfort of others.

You make some valid points, fair enough but imo i dont believe she does care what they think about her.

[Ellen]

If I'd been in there and I'd heard the "Get Caroline Out!" chants I'd have been right up in her grill saying HahaHA! In! Your! Face! " . I think Luke was quite restrained.

Would you have done a Shiovonne & used hand gesture's? :joker:

[chuff me dizzy]

If I'd been in there and I'd heard the "Get Caroline Out!" chants I'd have been right up in her grill saying HahaHA! In! Your! Face! " . I think Luke was quite restrained.

Me too !!!!!!! bouncing on sofas punching the air

[Jayson]

http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m05woryvER1r5hsoxo1_400.gif

[kistar]

That seems pretty likely Chuff.



I disagree, in my own personal experience I've found if you let people get away with bad behaviour they'll keep on walking all over you, if you stand up for yourself and give back what you're getting from them, they tend to not treat you badly in future. It doesn't change them in general but it does make them treat you personally different because they know you won't be treated that way easily. I don't think people like Caroline learn from others being nice, that just makes them push boundaries even further.

What you're saying should be the way to change peoples perspectives but sadly it just doesn't work on most people.
Well if you have a victim mentality (not suggesting you do) I guess you imagine the world is against you and you have to fight your corner at all costs, in reality though everyone is dealing with themselves and in most cases I would say do things react a way because of their own insecurities and life experiences. If some one was treating you in a way you did not like and were able to approach them calmly and tell them it would be a very powerful affirmation of who you are . I was resolving problems this way from the age of 7 when I went to boarding school, and 9 times out of 10 you found that the problem was in your head and not real, we were taught to resolve by debate . Talk to the girl you think has problem with you, tell her how you she has made you feel and listen to what she has to say. it works you should try it .

[chuff me dizzy]

Well if you have a victim mentality (not suggesting you do) I guess you imagine the world is against you and you have to fight your corner at all costs, in reality though everyone is dealing with themselves and in most cases I would say do things react a way because of their own insecurities and life experiences. If some one was treating you in a way you did not like and were able to approach them calmly and tell them it would be a very powerful affirmation of who you are . I was resolving problems this way from the age of 7 when I went to boarding school, and 9 times out of 10 you found that the problem was in your head and not real, we were taught to resolve by debate . Talk to the girl you think has problem with you, tell her how you she has made you feel and listen to what she has to say. it works you should try it .
Is this aimed at me ?

[kistar]

Whatever I hope Caroline stays tonight and I really hope Luke A goes and watches himself back doing all the things he says that he hates in other people especially Caroline.

[kistar]

Is this aimed at me ?

Really not aimed at any one , respect Chuff I would never be so awful as to post things aimed at any one in particular. it's just sharing experiences.

[WozMan]

Right in front of Caroline , that wasn't very nice , the boy is a nasty bitter and twisted grandad who spends his whole day lying around bitching and smoking.

It's called karma deary... and it's a BITCH:devil::devil::devil:

Seriously though, if someone I was stuck living with 24-7 for months on end treated me with the vile contempt Caroline treats people with...

... I would have nothing but disdain for the girl. Luke A has never done anything TO Caroline except react somewhat to the vile way she treats him and people in the house in general. He has given up on her as a person and I don't blame him. If she had never developed a problem with him and his friends Lauren and Adam he would never of had a problem with her.

I would love to know how you would react in such an environment cause the BEST I could do is react the way the outsiders have to such constantly degrading, ostracizing behaviour.

As it is I am used to it now and do wish the girl the best of luck growing up when she gets out!!!

[WozMan]

Well if you have a victim mentality (not suggesting you do) I guess you imagine the world is against you and you have to fight your corner at all costs, in reality though everyone is dealing with themselves and in most cases I would say do things react a way because of their own insecurities and life experiences. If some one was treating you in a way you did not like and were able to approach them calmly and tell them it would be a very powerful affirmation of who you are . I was resolving problems this way from the age of 7 when I went to boarding school, and 9 times out of 10 you found that the problem was in your head and not real, we were taught to resolve by debate . Talk to the girl you think has problem with you, tell her how you she has made you feel and listen to what she has to say. it works you should try it .

Actually yes, that is a very mature approach. I should apply it more in my own life :)

Obviously Luke A's reaction wasn't as skillful as this but not many people's are (myself included most of the time)

[Doogle]

The difference is that Luke A thinks he's better then Caroline, if he really was then he'd have risen above it but he didn't. He's just as bad as she is but he's more sly about it and a whole lot less entertaining.

:worship:

[Parmy]

Right in front of Caroline , that wasn't very nice , the boy is a nasty bitter and twisted grandad who spends his whole day lying around bitching and smoking.

Do you think he touches little people like my nasty bitter and twisted grandad did?

[crumbling8]

he says shes a bully and he acts all sweet but all the little things he does hes as bad as the rest!

Like what...?

[Knitting Nana]

I didn't say she doesn't , I was talking about Luke A.

You were making a critisism of luke a whilst defending caroline who does pretty much the same thing, only worse. That's called hypocrisy.

[Tourmaline]

Caroline is childish and looking for a reaction, by playing her at her own game he's just shown himself to be just as bad rather then being seen as being better.

It takes a better person to rise above it then to resort to tit for tat.

Yes I agree. If Luke A was so incensed at Caroline for cheering Victoria's eviction then why didn't he pull her straight away and tell her it was rude rather than just sit there and say nothing?

[rayheartbliss]

this thread makes zero sense

oh and i cheered when she was getting booed

[Kazanne]

Right in front of Caroline , that wasn't very nice , the boy is a nasty bitter and twisted grandad who spends his whole day lying around bitching and smoking.

They WERE shouting 'Get Caroline out' gosh,they were loud enough,he told her the truth and you dislike him for that?LOL ,and do you really think she would not have done the same after all the times she celebrated,laughed and whooped when others were evicted.

[chuff me dizzy]

They WERE shouting 'Get Caroline out' gosh,they were loud enough,he told her the truth and you dislike him for that?LOL ,and do you really think she would not have done the same after all the times she celebrated,laughed and whooped when others were evicted.

"Do unto others as you would like done to you" should be Carolines motto

[Kazanne]

"Do unto others as you would like done to you" should be Carolines motto

great motto that Chuff,she would do well to try and abide by it,but i doubt she ever could,her nastiness seems ingrown.

[chuff me dizzy]

great motto that Chuff,she would do well to try and abide by it,but i doubt she ever could,her nastiness seems ingrown.

Shes really awful ,no wonder her parents didnt show up last night

[Babschap]

Really glad that Luke A said that, payback for that bitch.