View Full Version : Nomination question ?
chuff me dizzy
10-08-2012, 10:57 AM
Right been away for couple of days,but still watched show, can anyone please confirm how many nominations each hm8 gets ,as Deana seems to think she has her own,Lukes,Adams?
sampvt
10-08-2012, 11:00 AM
I think deana feels she has the right to make her soldiers vote her way. There are never discussions as to how adam or luke a feels, its all about her, pathetic in such a way that it goes a long way to show how much of a game she is playing.
exoticrosebud
10-08-2012, 11:03 AM
think she came slightly unstuck this time ! think they are both getting bit sick of her sillyness now....luke a actually told her it wasnt a war anymore...dont think shes too hot on listening though!
chuff me dizzy
10-08-2012, 11:03 AM
I think deana feels she has the right to make her soldiers vote her way. There are never discussions as to how adam or luke a feels, its all about her, pathetic in such a way that it goes a long way to show how much of a game she is playing.
When they get out and listen to what their families tell them ,they are going to see how they have been used,she clearly said "this is how teams work,have you not done thing in teams before"all thought out before she even went in the house, ,Adam,luke fell for her con, she soon realised as they are the nicest 2 in there she could mould them ,she would never have got away with it with any of the others
Gillian-73
10-08-2012, 11:05 AM
She was definitely wrong last night! His noms his choice.
chuff me dizzy
10-08-2012, 11:05 AM
think she came slightly unstuck this time ! think they are both getting bit sick of her sillyness now....luke a actually told her it wasnt a war anymore...dont think shes too hot on listening though!
She wont accept that, its not in her plan ,she has brainwashed them all series into thinking the 3 of them were singled out, IF Luke,Adam had not followed her game they could have made lots of good mates in there,but this is not her plan
chuff me dizzy
10-08-2012, 11:06 AM
She was definitely wrong last night! His noms his choice.
Exactly ,and her apology :shocked::shocked::shocked: have you ever seen anything so false and insincere in your entire life? she wasnt even looking at him,her eyes were on the camera the entire time
chuff me dizzy
10-08-2012, 11:08 AM
I think deana feels she has the right to make her soldiers vote her way. There are never discussions as to how adam or luke a feels, its all about her, pathetic in such a way that it goes a long way to show how much of a game she is playing.
Think back a few weeks,she tried to turn them against Lauren by claiming she didnt trust her ,but it didnt work, so she went to Sara,Scott and got them on board
smeagol
10-08-2012, 11:08 AM
welcome back thread 1 attack deana already lol
are you watching celeb bb by the way?
exoticrosebud
10-08-2012, 11:08 AM
think the apology was totally ridiculous.....and not sure adam was convinced either !
Kizzy
10-08-2012, 11:10 AM
What do you mean how many they get overall?..deana got 31
still think she will make the final though.
The apology was fine they had a quiet chat and sorted it...Like rational people.
sampvt
10-08-2012, 11:10 AM
Chuff, you very bravely came out and said she would go tonight, the gay prod Jammie has said last night on BBBOTS that there is a twist. It might be that She is in 3rd after scott or adam and on her way out and they are going to give her a good edit tonight and another day to recoup. I think they might be trying to naff your prediction girl.
chuff me dizzy
10-08-2012, 11:11 AM
think the apology was totally ridiculous.....and not sure adam was convinced either !
No he wasnt,hes not as daft as Deana hopes he is, last night she started convo backstabbing Scott,why do they listen to her? The shock when they watch stuff back and see how they have been used will sicken them
Ellen
10-08-2012, 11:12 AM
think the apology was totally ridiculous.....and not sure adam was convinced either !
:thumbs:
You could tell by his eyes & smile he didnt believe her apology one little bit.
chuff me dizzy
10-08-2012, 11:13 AM
Chuff, you very bravely came out and said she would go tonight, the gay prod Jammie has said last night on BBBOTS that there is a twist. It might be that She is in 3rd after scott or adam and on her way out and they are going to give her a good edit tonight and another day to recoup. I think they might be trying to naff your prediction girl.
They darent change it now after people have voted
sampvt
10-08-2012, 11:16 AM
They darent change it now after people have voted
Emma was quite insistent that it wa a double but he wouldnt comit and now sat show is being billed as a live from the house with brian so that can only mean an eviction, the one we should be getting tonight (deana) I think they are messing with the formula again and trying to get more money votes.
chuff me dizzy
10-08-2012, 11:21 AM
Emma was quite insistent that it wa a double but he wouldnt comit and now sat show is being billed as a live from the house with brian so that can only mean an eviction, the one we should be getting tonight (deana) I think they are messing with the formula again and trying to get more money votes.
No tickets on Applause Store ? :conf:
Jordan.
10-08-2012, 11:23 AM
Already a thread on this matter
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8e9xwI5h01qcdlamo3_250.gif
Mason
10-08-2012, 11:27 AM
I can't believe thy it's an hour episode tonight there' not a double eviction !!!
sampvt
10-08-2012, 11:27 AM
Already a thread on this matter
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8e9xwI5h01qcdlamo3_250.gif
So ??????????????? and by the way thanks for the disgusting vt of the skank gobbling food like a 3 year old. Makes me gip.
Jordan.
10-08-2012, 11:30 AM
So ???????????????
Can we stick to one thread instead of making unnecessary ones. Not every opinion Chuff has deserves it's own thread.
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8e9xwI5h01qcdlamo4_250.gif
chuff me dizzy
10-08-2012, 11:31 AM
New mods getting added daily, why isnt it in there sig ?
kefln
10-08-2012, 11:32 AM
I think deana feels she has the right to make her soldiers vote her way. There are never discussions as to how adam or luke a feels, its all about her, pathetic in such a way that it goes a long way to show how much of a game she is playing.
Your argument kinda falls flat based on the fact that nominations are over, Deana can't control how people voted in the past.
The conversation was about past choices, it got a little uncomfortable and they went their separate ways, until she apologised the next morning.
BB, where mole hills become mountains... :joker:
chuff me dizzy
10-08-2012, 11:33 AM
I can't believe thy it's an hour episode tonight there' not a double eviction !!!
It is a double, they darent change things now after people have voted, ive never once contacted ofcom over BB or any other Tv show,but IF they did change it after Ive spent money voting I would do so, and no doubt so would lots of others
sampvt
10-08-2012, 11:38 AM
Can we stick to one thread instead of making unnecessary ones. Not every opinion Chuff has deserves it's own thread.
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8e9xwI5h01qcdlamo4_250.gif
No likey no reedy, anyway when did you become a mod or are you just trying to quash all anti deana threads. Dont know why becasue there are so many deana kiss ass threads out there for you to play on.
Black Dagger
10-08-2012, 11:39 AM
Can we stick to one thread instead of making unnecessary ones. Not every opinion Chuff has deserves it's own thread.
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8e9xwI5h01qcdlamo4_250.gif
:lovedup:
Vicky.
10-08-2012, 12:13 PM
Deana was waaaaay in the wrong last night. She has no right to tell adam how he should have voted. However, friends do fall out at times, sometimes for stupid reasons. Adam just looked amused at her ranting tbh, and Luke told her she was in the wrong too which she seemed to accept
sampvt
10-08-2012, 12:15 PM
what correct thread, are you refering to a deana kiss ass thrad where we get trolled and abused or are we not allowed to post our own posts. This thread was started by chuff and no other thread like it exists or maybe you can post me the thread. In the menatime stop refering to me as a troll. My official title is pain in the arse and gob****e.
chuff me dizzy
10-08-2012, 12:15 PM
Deana was waaaaay in the wrong last night. She has no right to tell adam how he should have voted. However, friends do fall out at times, sometimes for stupid reasons. Adam just looked amused at her ranting tbh, and Luke told her she was in the wrong too which she seemed to accept
Shes no friend of theirs,never has been ,shes used them,but both too nice to realise
Kizzy
10-08-2012, 12:16 PM
Deana was waaaaay in the wrong last night. She has no right to tell adam how he should have voted. However, friends do fall out at times, sometimes for stupid reasons. Adam just looked amused at her ranting tbh, and Luke told her she was in the wrong too which she seemed to accept
At last...the voice of reason!
sampvt
10-08-2012, 12:16 PM
Deana was waaaaay in the wrong last night. She has no right to tell adam how he should have voted. However, friends do fall out at times, sometimes for stupid reasons. Adam just looked amused at her ranting tbh, and Luke told her she was in the wrong too which she seemed to accept
I agree vicky, she was defo in the wrong. By the way do you sanction FM,s calling me and chuff trolls.
Jordan.
10-08-2012, 12:19 PM
Shes no friend of theirs,never has been ,shes used them,but both too nice to realise
_RJun3KSLU8
Genuine friendship
chuff me dizzy
10-08-2012, 12:22 PM
I agree vicky, she was defo in the wrong. By the way do you sanction FM,s calling me and chuff trolls.
Water off a ducks back :bored:
exoticrosebud
10-08-2012, 12:31 PM
quack quack ! lol......
sampvt
10-08-2012, 12:31 PM
Water off a ducks back :bored:
It might be water of your back chuff but I got banned for calling someone a twat. Is a troll less than a twat.
Marmalite
10-08-2012, 12:32 PM
I think deana feels she has the right to make her soldiers vote her way. There are never discussions as to how adam or luke a feels, its all about her, pathetic in such a way that it goes a long way to show how much of a game she is playing.
LMAO
Deana is one of the most intelligent HM's in the house. I think if it was her plan to get them to vote her way she would've figured it out ages ago and convinced them accordingly.
Clearly she wasn't trying to control anything, hence why her and LukeA have been up so many time over the recent weeks and why his beloved Lauren was so abruptly and nastily ganged up on and kicked out!
Adam professes his allegiance to LukeA and Deana when he needs to, plays both sides of the fence yet and has been doing this slyly for a while now and this was all the more evident in last night HL. Yes, Deana may have wrong in voicing her surprise out loud to him that he didn't think strategically or tactically, but she has apologised to him so let's move on shall we?
And when ARE you going to wake up and realise that EVERY single HM in that house is playing a game?
chuff me dizzy
10-08-2012, 12:35 PM
It might be water of your back chuff but I got banned for calling someone a twat. Is a troll less than a twat.
Ive been called worse than that ,and the person never even got banned :shrug:
sampvt
10-08-2012, 12:36 PM
LMAO
Deana is one of the most intelligent HM's in the house. I think if it was her plan to get them to vote her way she would've figured it out ages ago and convinced them accordingly.
Clearly she wasn't trying to control anything, hence why her and LukeA have been up so many time over the recent weeks and why his beloved Lauren was so abruptly and nastily ganged up on and kicked out!
Adam professes his allegiance to LukeA and Deana when he needs to, plays both sides of the fence yet and has been doing this slyly for a while now and this was all the more evident in last night HL. Yes, Deana may have wrong in voicing her surprise out loud to him that he didn't think strategically or tactically, but she has apologised to him so let's move on shall we?
And when ARE you going to wake up and realise that EVERY single HM in that house is playing a game?
Sorry I didnt realise you missed last nights show when deana dumped on adam for not voting her way. my apologies :dance::dance::dance:
kefln
10-08-2012, 12:37 PM
LMAO
Deana is one of the most intelligent HM's in the house. I think if it was her plan to get them to vote her way she would've figured it out ages ago and convinced them accordingly.
Clearly she wasn't trying to control anything, hence why her and LukeA have been up so many time over the recent weeks and why his beloved Lauren was so abruptly and nastily ganged up on and kicked out!
Adam professes his allegiance to LukeA and Deana when he needs to, plays both sides of the fence yet and has been doing this slyly for a while now and this was all the more evident in last night HL. Yes, Deana may have wrong in voicing her surprise out loud to him that he didn't think strategically or tactically, but she has apologised to him so let's move on shall we?
And when ARE you going to wake up and realise that EVERY single HM in that house is playing a game?
This isn't about logic. You can't "win" this debate. Certain people are just going to keep posting the same anti rant in every thread. It can't be helped. So just laugh it off! :joker:
exoticrosebud
10-08-2012, 12:43 PM
this is like being in the junior school playground !!!
sampvt
10-08-2012, 12:44 PM
this is like being in the junior school playground !!!
well if I was you I would leave it and join us in the uni coffee bar.
chuff me dizzy
10-08-2012, 12:48 PM
this is like being in the junior school playground !!!
Isnt it just?
exoticrosebud
10-08-2012, 12:56 PM
Isnt it just?
what pees me off is that people cannot express any kind of opinion without someone jumping on them because they dont agree ....this troll calling business is ridiculous....if you support one house mate or another...join their nicey nicey threads....that way you wont be upset.!
i dont like deena, never have. shes a nasty piece of calculating work.. waited till connor went and then decided to act like a diva...shes sly and childish with her outbursts and all this praying is doing my head in....
now feel free if anyone (not you chuff) to have a go if you dont like what ive said !!!!
smeagol
10-08-2012, 12:57 PM
if it quack like a duck walks like a duck its a duck lol
Marmalite
10-08-2012, 12:58 PM
Sorry I didnt realise you missed last nights show when deana dumped on adam for not voting her way. my apologies :dance::dance::dance:
Perhaps you'd like to read it again as I clearly mentioned that Deana was wrong to voice her surprise at him not voting tactically or strategically which resulted in his beloved Lauren being ejected and his best pal LukeA being put up week after week. He has a mouth - he could have told them ages ago "I'm neutral guys - it's every man/woman for himself". Somehow I don't think he would be where he is today if he had though...no?
But hey, as long as Adam has a gameplan, plays both sides and saves his own arse then all is OK and he is forgiven right?
Would you like to borrow my rose tinted glasses so you can read it properly this time? :joker:
chuff me dizzy
10-08-2012, 01:00 PM
what pees me off is that people cannot express any kind of opinion without someone jumping on them because they dont agree ....this troll calling business is ridiculous....if you support one house mate or another...join their nicey nicey threads....that way you wont be upset.!
i dont like deena, never have. shes a nasty piece of calculating work.. waited till connor went and then decided to act like a diva...shes sly and childish with her outbursts and all this praying is doing my head in....
now feel free if anyone (not you chuff) to have a go if you dont like what ive said !!!!
the work in packs, thinking this will get their fav to win, it failed last year with Madsen and will fail again this year, you watch after 10 tonight if Deana goes ,there will be tumbleweed on here, licking wounds it a time consuming job
sampvt
10-08-2012, 01:01 PM
Perhaps you'd like to read it again as I clearly mentioned that Deana was wrong to voice her surprise at him not voting tactically or strategically which resulted in his beloved Lauren being ejected and his best pal LukeA being put up week after week. He has a mouth - he could have told them ages ago "I'm neutral guys - it's every man/woman for himself". Somehow I don't think he would be where he is today if he had though...no?
But hey, as long as Adam has a gameplan, plays both sides and saves his own arse then all is OK and he is forgiven right?
Would you like to borrow my rose tinted glasses so you can read it properly this time? :joker:
I wont bother with the rose tinted glasses but i could do with some of your condecending attitude and an ounce of the same ability to only see one side of an argument. That way i can act like a fool and become a deana fan.
Kazanne
10-08-2012, 01:02 PM
welcome back thread 1 attack deana already lol
are you watching celeb bb by the way?
smeagol I know you are in love with Deana,but the post is NOT an attack it is what actually happened and the posters opinion,if you dont like it why read it?unless it's to 'attack' back?
chuff me dizzy
10-08-2012, 01:04 PM
smeagol I know you are in love with Deana,but the post is NOT an attack it is what actually happened and the posters opinion,if you dont like it why read it?unless it's to 'attack' back?
:worship:
Black Dagger
10-08-2012, 01:04 PM
Shes no friend of theirs,never has been ,shes used them,but both too nice to realise
Back a day and continuing to spout rubbish I see.
How has she used them? She could have easily stabbed them in the back but kept them on side weeks ago. :pipe:
Kazanne
10-08-2012, 01:04 PM
After last nights debarcle,I will not be voting for Deana anymore,would rather throw Scotty a few votes instead.
exoticrosebud
10-08-2012, 01:06 PM
i wouldnt waste money voting...think its already been decided anyway......personally i dont care who wins....dont really like anyone of em that much.....think scott will win now....
chuff me dizzy
10-08-2012, 01:07 PM
After last nights debarcle,I will not be voting for Deana anymore,would rather throw Scotty a few votes instead.
Ive done 12 each Scott, Adam,Ash is a wasted vote, she cannot stay
sampvt
10-08-2012, 01:17 PM
I am not rich but between me the wife and my daughter we have 23 for adam and 19 for scott. Hope they help becasue its my bloody bill.
HBB1508
10-08-2012, 01:20 PM
I shall throw some votes Adams way when I get home from work.
chuff me dizzy
10-08-2012, 01:20 PM
I am not rich but between me the wife and my daughter we have 23 for adam and 19 for scott. Hope they help becasue its my bloody bill.
i dont think about bill, it will get paid !! dont tell my hubby though :joker:
chuff me dizzy
10-08-2012, 01:22 PM
I shall throw some votes Adams way when I get home from work.
IF you want Deana out(YOUR decision,im not arrogant enough to try to tell you how to vote,or who to like) you should give Scott a couple, he is the link between Deana leaving or staying
HBB1508
10-08-2012, 01:25 PM
IF you want Deana out(YOUR decision,im not arrogant enough to try to tell you how to vote,or who to like) you should give Scott a couple, he is the link between Deana leaving or staying
Oh I so want Deana out - ok I'll throw some to Scott too I actually quite like him!!
Kazanne
10-08-2012, 01:27 PM
Your argument kinda falls flat based on the fact that nominations are over, Deana can't control how people voted in the past.
The conversation was about past choices, it got a little uncomfortable and they went their separate ways, until she apologised the next morning.
BB, where mole hills become mountains... :joker:
Apologised? more like digging herself out of the hole she had made.maybe that's where your mountains have come from:joker:
chuff me dizzy
10-08-2012, 01:28 PM
Oh I so want Deana out - ok I'll throw some to Scott too I actually quite like him!!
yes me too,Luke A winner,Adam second,Scott third,Luke S fourth ,that will do nicely :dance::dance:
chuff me dizzy
10-08-2012, 01:29 PM
Apologised? more like digging herself out of the hole she had made.maybe that's where your mountains have come from:joker:
She never even looked Adam in the eye, she was looking right into the camera, she was trying to convince his fans she meant it, but it failed
sampvt
10-08-2012, 01:50 PM
Watching her apologise was uncomfortable to watch. I sometimes feel sorry for her pathetic ways but then I realise its all contrived and I just go back to dislikeing her moves. I hated Aaron last year for the same reasons but at least he was open about it, this woman is MI6 personified. She can lie, laugh and stab in one motion.
Yayita
10-08-2012, 01:50 PM
Hmmmmm.. I thought I commented on this thread, maybe it didn't go through. All I said is that anyone can comment about whatever they wish, but the anti Deanas are soooo anoying about it.
Also asked if anyone knew where I could download olympic events I have missed.
sampvt
10-08-2012, 02:07 PM
Hmmmmm.. I thought I commented on this thread, maybe it didn't go through. All I said is that anyone can comment about whatever they wish, but the anti Deanas are soooo anoying about it.
Also asked if anyone knew where I could download olympic events I have missed.
You probably did comment but nobody took much notice pet. A real olympic event to watch is on ch5 tonight its called a gold medal eviction. you can see former olympic event on the bbc i player site. just google bbc and it comes up then you can navigate different events and choose your desired event. You might need them because deana wont be here for long and wont win so you may need somewhere to hide away, lol.
Here is the link http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/
exoticrosebud
10-08-2012, 02:11 PM
IF you want Deana out(YOUR decision,im not arrogant enough to try to tell you how to vote,or who to like) you should give Scott a couple, he is the link between Deana leaving or staying
well.....we are a team ! lol......thats what teams do! stick together!
chuff me dizzy
10-08-2012, 02:11 PM
Watching her apologise was uncomfortable to watch. I sometimes feel sorry for her pathetic ways but then I realise its all contrived and I just go back to dislikeing her moves. I hated Aaron last year for the same reasons but at least he was open about it, this woman is MI6 personified. She can lie, laugh and stab in one motion.
She does all three at the same time,she is not as bright as she would like us to believe as we have seen through her and so have others
chuff me dizzy
10-08-2012, 02:12 PM
well.....we are a team ! lol......thats what teams do! stick together!
IM team Luke A,Adam !! :dance::dance:
exoticrosebud
10-08-2012, 02:14 PM
IM team Luke A,Adam !! :dance::dance:
well got to say i cant agree with you.........please dont hate me or call me a troll lol.........dont mind scott i suppose....he has made me laugh a bit at times.....even though hes a bit OTT .....
>>>>>>>>> hides cus am scared i have expressed an opinion and upset someone lol......
chuff me dizzy
10-08-2012, 02:21 PM
well got to say i cant agree with you.........please dont hate me or call me a troll lol.........dont mind scott i suppose....he has made me laugh a bit at times.....even though hes a bit OTT .....
>>>>>>>>> hides cus am scared i have expressed an opinion and upset someone lol......
I dont work that way :nono::nono: I quite like Scott too, hes my third place
Yayita
10-08-2012, 03:13 PM
You probably did comment but nobody took much notice pet. A real olympic event to watch is on ch5 tonight its called a gold medal eviction. you can see former olympic event on the bbc i player site. just google bbc and it comes up then you can navigate different events and choose your desired event. You might need them because deana wont be here for long and wont win so you may need somewhere to hide away, lol.
Here is the link http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/
Actually, it does work outside the UK, but they just show bits, not full events. Thanks but no thanks.
HBB1508
10-08-2012, 03:53 PM
yes me too,Luke A winner,Adam second,Scott third,Luke S fourth ,that will do nicely :dance::dance:
That order would bring a smile to my face too :)
MeMyselfAndI
10-08-2012, 04:07 PM
Can we stick to one thread instead of making unnecessary ones. Not every opinion Chuff has deserves it's own thread.
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8e9xwI5h01qcdlamo4_250.gif
:laugh3:
MeMyselfAndI
10-08-2012, 04:08 PM
After last nights debarcle,I will not be voting for Deana anymore,would rather throw Scotty a few votes instead.
I thought you supported the outsiders, the people singled out for the first 6 weeks. The people who were constantly bitched about, which Scott was involved in.
Adam, Luke A, Lauren & Deana.
evidently not.
MeMyselfAndI
10-08-2012, 04:10 PM
Hmmmmm.. I thought I commented on this thread, maybe it didn't go through. All I said is that anyone can comment about whatever they wish, but the anti Deanas are soooo anoying about it.
Also asked if anyone knew where I could download olympic events I have missed.
These anti Deana threads popping up like 10 a day is really starting to grate on me aswell.
chuff me dizzy
10-08-2012, 04:11 PM
That order would bring a smile to my face too :)
Bliss :angel:
Kazanne
10-08-2012, 04:15 PM
I thought you supported the outsiders, the people singled out for the first 6 weeks. The people who were constantly bitched about, which Scott was involved in.
Adam, Luke A, Lauren & Deana.
evidently not.
I support Adam and Luke A,have done for a while,I liked deana but she dropped off the radar last night.I liked lauren a lot but she went,I hope that is ok with you
chuff me dizzy
10-08-2012, 04:16 PM
I support Adam and Luke A,have done for a while,I liked deana but she dropped off the radar last night.I liked lauren a lot but she went,I hope that is ok with you
Double check Kazanne :nono: wheres tong thread gone? :conf:
Black Dagger
10-08-2012, 04:18 PM
the work in packs, thinking this will get their fav to win, it failed last year with Madsen and will fail again this year, you watch after 10 tonight if Deana goes ,there will be tumbleweed on here, licking wounds it a time consuming job
Didn't you say him & Shannon Twins would go when Natalie went? :pipe:
Kazanne
10-08-2012, 04:20 PM
Double check Kazanne :nono: wheres tong thread gone? :conf:
Oh don't know Chuff ,just come back on will have a look,maybe it's in the serious threads section
chuff me dizzy
10-08-2012, 04:22 PM
Oh don't know Chuff ,just come back on will have a look,maybe it's in the serious threads section
Salman said its been moved to general chat, think we got a tad close for comfort there
Yayita
10-08-2012, 09:59 PM
You probably did comment but nobody took much notice pet. A real olympic event to watch is on ch5 tonight its called a gold medal eviction. you can see former olympic event on the bbc i player site. just google bbc and it comes up then you can navigate different events and choose your desired event. You might need them because deana wont be here for long and wont win so you may need somewhere to hide away, lol.
Here is the link http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/
Im not hiding anywhere Sampy and Deana is still in the house :dance: :dance: :dance:
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