WTF? BBOTS Shameless/Shameful

[lynette]

I really don't understand what the hell the producers were thinking of getting the awful Emma to mention the gang that Adam was allegedly a member of.

He was understandably shocked. Emma just waffled about it being in the "script". You mean there is a script for this dreadful show?

I don't normally assault my senses by watching BBOTS as it is so cringe-making, I only watched because it was the final, and TBH, I wish I hadn't bothered.

[MTVN]

I don't see the big deal, he hasn't really made a secret of it himself?

[kefln]

Anyone who doesn’t understand how serious that was, doesn’t understand how serious his situation was, or could be, by mentioning an association with a certain gang.

People have been killed for gang association, by rivals and by those within their own organisation. And if it’s the case that he wasn’t involved with that gang, he could be killed for claiming he was.

Then there is the notion of revenge. Someone who has been wronged by that group in the past might see him as an easy target…

The trouble that could happen from that one statement is endless.

[Shaun]

well let's just hope the Dudley bloods don't get to him.

[MTVN]

Anyone who doesn’t understand how serious that was, doesn’t understand how serious his situation was, or could be, by mentioning an association with a certain gang.

People have been killed for gang association, by rivals and by those within their own organisation. And if it’s the case that he wasn’t involved with that gang, he could be killed for claiming he was.

Then there is the notion of revenge. Someone who has been wronged by that group in the past might see him as an easy target…

The trouble that could happen from that one statement is endless.

Except he's already gone on about it in his VT how he was in a gang and saying "have you heard about the bloods and the crips" and he was often wearing the blue crip colours in there.. I'm sure a brief throwaway comment on BOTS about it won't do too much harm, not like he's still involved in any of it or even lives in the same country anymore

[Munchkins]

Anyone who doesn’t understand how serious that was, doesn’t understand how serious his situation was, or could be, by mentioning an association with a certain gang.

People have been killed for gang association, by rivals and by those within their own organisation. And if it’s the case that he wasn’t involved with that gang, he could be killed for claiming he was.

Then there is the notion of revenge. Someone who has been wronged by that group in the past might see him as an easy target…

The trouble that could happen from that one statement is endless.

This... i didn't watch all of BOTS but im really shocked they did that - but then like MTVN said he did wear the colours of his gang.
BOTS should have took a Better safe than sorry approach, and just not mentioned it, there was no need to :)

[Kizzy]

Except he's already gone on about it in his VT how he was in a gang and saying "have you heard about the bloods and the crips" and he was often wearing the blue crip colours in there.. I'm sure a brief throwaway comment on BOTS about it won't do too much harm, not like he's still involved in any of it or even lives in the same country anymore

I agree, but why does he still own and wear it if he is an ex member?

[kefln]

Except he's already gone on about it in his VT how he was in a gang and saying "have you heard about the bloods and the crips" and he was often wearing the blue crip colours in there.. I'm sure a brief throwaway comment on BOTS about it won't do too much harm, not like he's still involved in any of it or even lives in the same country anymore
You have heard of planes? Phones? The internet? Friends, relatives, contacts, crime syndicates?

There are vast differences between a guy saying that he was in jail and having a gang history, and actually naming the specific gang live on TV.

Nothing may come of it, or everything might come of it. Its very easy for a person sitting in front of their PC, a million miles from that kind of world, to dismiss the very real nature of violent criminals.

[MTVN]

You have heard of planes? Phones? The internet? Friends, relatives, contacts, crime syndicates?

There are vast differences between a guy saying that he was in jail and having a gang history, and actually naming the specific gang live on TV.

Nothing may come of it, or everything might come of it. Its very easy for a person sitting in front of their PC, a million miles from that kind of world, to dismiss the very real nature of violent criminals.

lol I'm sure Bloods or Crips aren't going to fly over from America because of a brief comment on a Big Brother spinoff show which only confirmed what everyone already knew and what Adam's made obvious anyway, he's done a bit more than "say he was in jail", he's said he was in a gang, made clear he was involved in the Bloods and the Crips and worn Crip colours numerous times

Think you've been watching a bit too much Ross Kemp

[Jords]

tbf Adam went on a TV show, getting his name and location about, so if something was to happen its his own fault for the exposure he gave himself, not some comment Emma made on a spin-off show.

[kefln]

I dont watch Ross Kemp, I read.

But I think the only one qualified to discuss this is Adam. And he wasn't happy with it been so directly mentioned on BOTS. And that is whats important here, not the opinions of people who have never been in that world, or understand why he chose to move across the world to escape that life.

[Cheddarcakes]

Adam has been banging on about his gang life for 10 weeks and his burglary exploits and firearms and etc etc etc

Why shouldnt Emma mention it?

[robb]

I really don't understand what the hell the producers were thinking of getting the awful Emma to mention the gang that Adam was allegedly a member of.

He was understandably shocked. Emma just waffled about it being in the "script". You mean there is a script for this dreadful show?

I don't normally assault my senses by watching BBOTS as it is so cringe-making, I only watched because it was the final, and TBH, I wish I hadn't bothered.

About time they dropped emma. She is 'errrrrr'..... irritating at best.

[Withano]

What? It's a massive part of his life. It's like saying 'Somebody who used to be a girl' 'Somebody who used to be a wag' 'Somebody who used to be in prison' I don't understand this thread.

[Withano]

If Adam really didn't want any attention, he wouldn't have gone into the show at all. After him mentioning it in his own VT on launch night, I don't understand why he would get upset about it on a spin-off show on finale night. The time he said it had more than triple the viewing figures (I'm guessing.) No sympathy from me.

[brisbanebroncos]

About time they dropped emma. She is 'errrrrr'..... irritating at best.

exactly! Alice is way better!

[Tym]

He NEVER mentioned being part of the crips while on the show itself. I don't think even Luke A knew. And yes, a gang would travel across the world to prove a point.

[lynette]

Thank you kefln and Tym - so glad other people understood why Adam was not happy about it.

[MTVN]

But the fact is that Adam being in the Crips a decade ago has been obvious throughout this whole series and everyone has known about it, it isn't like Emma was revealing secret information or something nobody was aware of

[Kazanne]

Adam has been banging on about his gang life for 10 weeks and his burglary exploits and firearms and etc etc etc

Why shouldnt Emma mention it?

Examples please,all I've heard him mention he belonged to a gang and i think he gave reference to the name once that was it!

[Kazanne]

If Adam really didn't want any attention, he wouldn't have gone into the show at all. After him mentioning it in his own VT on launch night, I don't understand why he would get upset about it on a spin-off show on finale night. The time he said it had more than triple the viewing figures (I'm guessing.) No sympathy from me.

well his name aint Deana!!

[Vanessa]

Why did the show have to mention it? There was no need! :bored:

[Kazanne]

Why did the show feel the need to mention it? There was no need! :bored:

Exactly,it's a part of his life he would rather forget,Emma gets a bit carried away with herself sometimes,lovely girl but blinking irritating.:xyxwave:

[Vanessa]

Exactly,it's a part of his life he would rather forget,Emma gets a bit carried away with herself sometimes,lovely girl but blinking irritating.:xyxwave:

Who's writing the script for BOT ? It's so cringey! They need sacking pronto! :nono:

[Knitting Nana]

You have heard of planes? Phones? The internet? Friends, relatives, contacts, crime syndicates?


:crazy: As already mentioned he named the gang in his vt!!!!

[Lwize]

Although The Crips are associated with blue, most of Adam's blue clothing was associated with the Los Angeles Dodgers baseball team. Many Angelenos "bleed Dodger Blue."

The chances of anyone connected to The Crips watching that second of BOTS is negligible. Adam would have a greater chance of being shot if he were to simply return to "certain" neighborhoods around Los Angeles, gang affiliation or not.

[Jamie.]

I felt awful for Adam because Emma ruined his night by bringing up his shameful past which he has already said, he is a FORMER GANG MEMBER...

Absolutely ashamed of BOTS

[sarakss]

I did not see anything wrong with it. He's mentioned his former life, but he doesn't seem like someone who's trying to lose the association. Also, when he walked on stage, he made a gesture with his hands - they looked like gang gestures, but they could have meant 'Hi Mom'.

Who else dresses the way he does except gang members or wannabes? Also, he wears a BLUE BANDANA. What else could he be - he sure as hell won't wear a red or yellow one.

[sarakss]

Although The Crips are associated with blue, most of Adam's blue clothing was associated with the Los Angeles Dodgers baseball team. Many Angelenos "bleed Dodger Blue."

The chances of anyone connected to The Crips watching that second of BOTS is negligible. Adam would have a greater chance of being shot if he were to simply return to "certain" neighborhoods around Los Angeles, gang affiliation or not.

That's a reason why sports clothes tend to be banned in schools. Gangs assume them to show their loyalty to their gang while appearing to blend in. People get killed over the dumbest things with these gangs.

[sarakss]

I felt awful for Adam because Emma ruined his night by bringing up his shameful past which he has already said, he is a FORMER GANG MEMBER...

Absolutely ashamed of BOTS

Did you see him walk out on stage flashing what could be interpreted as gang signs?

For some reason, I still don't believe he's the hardcore gang member he claims he was. He's just some big, dumb criminal who went to jail.

Even when Emma asked him about sussing people out and she tried helping him with the answer, he could not figure it out. Sorry, but criminals are generally witty/smart.

[Indy]

Bottom line, what Emma did is the equivalent of using a racial slur as a joke, not understanding that it's not a joke. It's just one more example of the mentality of the Ch5 BB production staff and how clueless they are about the real world.

[sarakss]

Bottom line, what Emma did is the equivalent of using a racial slur as a joke, not understanding that it's not a joke. It's just one more example of the mentality of the Ch5 BB production staff and how clueless they are about the real world.

You must be joking! How is saying someone was a member of a gang(fact) equivalent to calling someone a p*k*, n*g**r, g**k, etc?

[Indy]

You must be joking! How is saying someone was a member of a gang(fact) equivalent to calling someone a p*k*, n*g**r, g**k, etc?

It's equally tactless, thoughtless, and done with no regard for the consequences.

[sarakss]

It's equally tactless, thoughtless, and done with no regard for the consequences.


She said that because he has not tried to make that a secret. Not sure why he reacted in shock - a bit silly considering he mentioned that in his VT, dresses like a gang member, and made gestures as he walked onstage.


I think a better analogy is needed here. Calling him a former member of the crips is not the same as calling him a n***er.

[Indy]

She said that because he has not tried to make that a secret. Not sure why he reacted in shock - a bit silly considering he mentioned that in his VT, dresses like a gang member, and made gestures as he walked onstage.


I think a better analogy is needed here. Calling him a former member of the crips is not the same as calling him a n***er.

He mentioned it in one of his audition interviews, not his official intro VT. Something he had no idea would be aired. As for "dresses like a gang member", he dresses like pretty much every rap music fan in the US, if anything, more understated than most. He does not wear all blue or only blue, and he doesn't flash real gang signs on the show - he uses a fake one the smokers made up to refer to themselves before Deana became an outsider. Lauren frequently uses it as well.

There's no "better analogy" needed here. Emma said something that simply should not be said openly like that on TV. While she might be excused for being too stupid to know better, the production team should've had the sense to look into it before putting it on her teleprompter. It's obviously a cultural ignorance - no tv show anywhere in the US would've been so flippant about it - but that doesn't excuse it.