Will a Strong Female ever Win?

[Munchkins]

Just wondering what you all think
Will a strong female ever win big brother?
characters such as Makosi, Aisleyne, Deana..
It seems that the public only ever votes for laid back, funny females such as Sophie & Josie..

[Marc]

How dare you put Deana into a list with Aisleyne and Makosi :nono:

[Munchkins]

How dare you put Deana into a list with Aisleyne and Makosi :nono:

Shut up :joker:
I voted for all 3 to win ;)
Anyway when i enter, i can be the strong female that finally wins xoxo

[Vanessa]

The last strong female to win was Kate Lawler! :amazed::worship:

[kefln]

Just wondering what you all think
Will a strong female ever win big brother?
characters such as Makosi, Aisleyne, Deana..
It seems that the public only ever votes for laid back, funny females such as Sophie & Josie..
Kate?

She was the first female to win and she was strong, independent and funny.

[Munchkins]

Kate?

She was the first female to win and she was strong, independent and funny.

The public was a lot different back then though.. i don't think we will ever have a winner like her again

[dathadiguy]

Fermales should be seen not heard, they must know their place on big brother.

[Marcus.]

Fermales should be seen not heard, they must know their place on big brother.

booo

[Vanessa]

Fermales should be seen not heard, they must know their place on big brother.

:rolleyes:

[BigBrotherfan4ever]

Fermales should be seen not heard, they must know their place on big brother.

:shocked::devil: Great attitude - NOT:devil::devil::shocked:

[MTVN]

Seems that went right over everyone's heads :suspect:

[InOne]

How was Deana a strong woman? :S

[dathadiguy]

Seems that went right over everyone's heads :suspect:

Totally - you'd think people would at least take a look at BB faves before commenting.

[dathadiguy]

How was Deana a strong woman? :S

How wasn't she?

[Jords]

BB really need to push the "entertainment value" of the HMs

Instead of asking, whos your favourite, who do you like/dislike most etc. ask more to do with entertaining traits.

They need to shift how the general viewers think.

[InOne]

How wasn't she?

I asked how WAS she...

[kefln]

The public was a lot different back then though.. i don't think we will ever have a winner like her again
I wouldn't say that.

The public have generally gotten behind Lauren, had she stayed she could have won.

The winners of BB have always been unusual and haven't always been obvious from the start. The last "normal" mans-man to win was Craig, back in BB1. The rest have either gone through a real "journey", such as Brian Dowling learning about his sexuality in BB2, or the likes of Pete, who was just funny, or they were stalked like Anthony! :D

Who knows what next year will bring! :thumbs:

[kefln]

BB really need to push the "entertainment value" of the HMs

Instead of asking, whos your favourite, who do you like/dislike most etc. ask more to do with entertaining traits.

They need to shift how the general viewers think.
Spot on!

Unfortunately C5 doesn't seem to want that. They seem to target more of a Jersey Shore type of audience.

[Roy Mars III]

no

[dathadiguy]

I keep hearing words like 'journey' & 'acceptance', this isn't a charity, it's not about who needs it the most. I'm sorry if I'm being blunt but if Luke A wasn't in this series what would we have missed, what did he bring in terms of entertainment? How Aaron won last year instead of Alex is beyond me, what an achievement that was.

[dathadiguy]

I asked how WAS she...

ok

[Apple202]

I asked how WAS she...

And he asked how WASN'T she...

[InOne]

So nobody can even give me an answer?

Looks like I'm right as usual :pipe:

[Apple202]

So you can't give us an answer?

Looks like were right, yet again :)

[kefln]

I keep hearing words like 'journey' & 'acceptance', this isn't a charity, it's not about who needs it the most. I'm sorry if I'm being blunt but if Luke A wasn't in this series what would we have missed, what did he bring in terms of entertainment? How Aaron won last year instead of Alex is beyond me, what an achievement that was.
Because people need to invest in someone, else they won't vote.

Who would spend money on someone that was vaguely entertaining?

For example about the only thing I can remember about Alex from last year is the spray tan task. And that was done to her, not something she did. However Aaron was compelling to watch, whether you loved or hated him. He seemed to torpedo himself at every turn, rarely have we seen someone so uncomfortable with their own surroundings. But by excluding himself, so often, he almost controlled the house, despite being disliked and ganged up on constantly. That was entertaining.

Stories and personal development get people invested. And once they start voting, they can't stop.

[InOne]

So you can't give us an answer?

Looks like were right, yet again :)

I asked first :) If you were polite you'd give me an answer.

[CallumJoshuaSturt]

Kate

[dathadiguy]

I totally agree Aaron was a controversial, very unusual winner, and as you say who would spend money on someone vaguely entertaining?

The only thing I can remember about Luke A was the BMI comment which was spot on lol. Deana was the prominent HM throughout the series, everything she did was scrutinised inside and outside the house, it seemed everything she did was either the best thing ever or the worse thing ever, there was no middled ground, in hindsight that might have been her downfall. How Deana's handled herself in situations was incredible considering she was fighting those battles on her own whilst the majority ganged up on her. I still think now she had no friends in that house, Adam & Luke A seemed to put up with her because they needed her vote, and for her to come third after all that is a bit of an anti-climax for me. Her winning would have too perfect, and would have stood out as the best moment in BB history IMO.

[armand.kay]

kate Lawler :worship:.

[alex_front2]

The public loves weak victim-y women. I did like Lauren, yes she was bullied by Caz Ash Sara and Becky but she was also a professional victim 'none of the girls like me, Adam' in week 2 when Lydia and Deana were trying to befriend her and Victoria had said how much she liked Lauren (witness how well they get on now).

The only strong women this year were Victoria, Deana and Lydia. The public love sweet compliant females like Rachel Rice, Kate Lawler and Sophie Reade. Although Josie wasn't all sweetness and light she wasn't exactly a strong woman either (compare her to Charley BB8, Makosi or Ashleyne) but benefited from a John James showmance.
The public absolutely loved Sara this year (but didn't get votes) as she was sweet enough despite her tedious attempts to do feisty and opinionated. Except she never had the vagina to stand up to Conor. And left the WR for vanity reasons.

Nadia BB5 winner was a strong woman. But her win WAS imo down to the trans story no doubt about it. Had she had been cis-gendered female - ie born with female body - she would have been regarded as a pugnacious slightly camp shrieky annoying aggressive shrew a la Charley BB8, the trans back-story secret gave her a 'vulnerability' and a narrative the public could get involved in and invest in.

However, Nadia was strong and she stood her ground on several occasions against the jungle cats in fact on fight-night she squared up to Jason and they almost got into a punch up (the only other women to vaguely attempted to do this have been Emma from same series, Charley BB8, Alex BB9). However, by the time Nadia competed in Ultimate BB a few years back her trans history was now well known and no longer a defining issue, she would be judged on her persona and her pugnacious slightly camp shrieky annoying aggressive shrew persona (strong female type) was disliked as much as it would be for any women.

Even former chum Brian D distanced himself from her in UBB. Nadia fell from grace and got massive boos. Imo that was the ultimate acceptance, being treated like any strong female in that house! Even Makosi got a better reception in UBB!!!

[dathadiguy]

Nadia was a bit of a lunatic and she along with the other one (can't remember her name) started fight night. I agree her back-story helped her massively, I remember at the time wanting her to win for no other reason than because of that. In retrospect I think Victor should have won that series.

[kefln]

I totally agree Aaron was a controversial, very unusual winner, and as you say who would spend money on someone vaguely entertaining?
Aaron was fantastic, in BB terms. He was a fan of the show, who had tried to get in for years and he won. But he did so in a completely random and inexplicable way. Completely controversial.


The only thing I can remember about Luke A was the BMI comment which was spot on lol. Deana was the prominent HM throughout the series, everything she did was scrutinised inside and outside the house, it seemed everything she did was either the best thing ever or the worse thing ever, there was no middled ground, in hindsight that might have been her downfall. How Deana's handled herself in situations was incredible considering she was fighting those battles on her own whilst the majority ganged up on her. I still think now she had no friends in that house, Adam & Luke A seemed to put up with her because they needed her vote, and for her to come third after all that is a bit of an anti-climax for me. Her winning would have too perfect, and would have stood out as the best moment in BB history IMO.
Deana was the most prominent HM of the 2012 series. A large part of the show seemed to evolve around what she was doing/saying. However I don't think she was the most controversial and I believe that this is what hurt her with the final votes.

Luke A had a story. A personal tale of difficulties that she, now he, has overcome. Add in that he was a nice lad, that did try to build bridges, that had an occasional fight, and a winner is born.

Deana on the other hand has got a fairly easy life. Wealthy living puts people off. She acted like a lady for most of it and stood her when she needed too. And while she did try and talk to Conor, she didn't gut him. She could have won, had she turned on that "fire" just a week earlier.

[swinearefine]

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[Jords]

The public loves weak victim-y women. I did like Lauren, yes she was bullied by Caz Ash Sara and Becky but she was also a professional victim 'none of the girls like me, Adam' in week 2 when Lydia and Deana were trying to befriend her and Victoria had said how much she liked Lauren (witness how well they get on now).

The only strong women this year were Victoria, Deana and Lydia. The public love sweet compliant females like Rachel Rice, Kate Lawler and Sophie Reade. Although Josie wasn't all sweetness and light she wasn't exactly a strong woman either (compare her to Charley BB8, Makosi or Ashleyne) but benefited from a John James showmance.
The public absolutely loved Sara this year (but didn't get votes) as she was sweet enough despite her tedious attempts to do feisty and opinionated. Except she never had the vagina to stand up to Conor. And left the WR for vanity reasons.

Nadia BB5 winner was a strong woman. But her win WAS imo down to the trans story no doubt about it. Had she had been cis-gendered female - ie born with female body - she would have been regarded as a pugnacious slightly camp shrieky annoying aggressive shrew a la Charley BB8, the trans back-story secret gave her a 'vulnerability' and a narrative the public could get involved in and invest in.

However, Nadia was strong and she stood her ground on several occasions against the jungle cats in fact on fight-night she squared up to Jason and they almost got into a punch up (the only other women to vaguely attempted to do this have been Emma from same series, Charley BB8, Alex BB9). However, by the time Nadia competed in Ultimate BB a few years back her trans history was now well known and no longer a defining issue, she would be judged on her persona and her pugnacious slightly camp shrieky annoying aggressive shrew persona (strong female type) was disliked as much as it would be for any women.

Even former chum Brian D distanced himself from her in UBB. Nadia fell from grace and got massive boos. Imo that was the ultimate acceptance, being treated like any strong female in that house! Even Makosi got a better reception in UBB!!!

Thats a well written post!

[alex_front2]

Dathadiguy: yep.

I think the 'other lunatic' you mean 'bed-sit' Emma who was ejected?

For a long time Victor was the best HM imo in BB5 (articulate, smart, cheeky, game-playingly brilliant, working LF late at night keeping us entertained with his grimy jungle cat chats, crawling on floor singing crap rnb etc) but he came undone when he picked on Shell in wedding task. The sight of him making blond haired blue eyed middle class nice girl cry with mascara running down her cheeks killed his chances. If this had not have happened he would have actually beaten Nadia, or she would have very narrowly won imo.

[swinearefine]

Nadia was a bit of a lunatic and she along with the other one (can't remember her name) started fight night. I agree her back-story helped her massively, I remember at the time wanting her to win for no other reason than because of that. In retrospect I think Victor should have won that series.

:nono: Nadia is the greatest winner of all time. Victor is unbelievably overrated. He was just a fat, bald man desperate to show how "bad" he was. Yet he got completely owned by Shell. He thought he was a great game-player, but he only survived three rounds of nominations.. He was a good housemate, but definitely didn't deserve to win over the goddess Nadia.

[Munchkins]

The public loves weak victim-y women. I did like Lauren, yes she was bullied by Caz Ash Sara and Becky but she was also a professional victim 'none of the girls like me, Adam' in week 2 when Lydia and Deana were trying to befriend her and Victoria had said how much she liked Lauren (witness how well they get on now).

The only strong women this year were Victoria, Deana and Lydia. The public love sweet compliant females like Rachel Rice, Kate Lawler and Sophie Reade. Although Josie wasn't all sweetness and light she wasn't exactly a strong woman either (compare her to Charley BB8, Makosi or Ashleyne) but benefited from a John James showmance.
The public absolutely loved Sara this year (but didn't get votes) as she was sweet enough despite her tedious attempts to do feisty and opinionated. Except she never had the vagina to stand up to Conor. And left the WR for vanity reasons.

Nadia BB5 winner was a strong woman. But her win WAS imo down to the trans story no doubt about it. Had she had been cis-gendered female - ie born with female body - she would have been regarded as a pugnacious slightly camp shrieky annoying aggressive shrew a la Charley BB8, the trans back-story secret gave her a 'vulnerability' and a narrative the public could get involved in and invest in.

However, Nadia was strong and she stood her ground on several occasions against the jungle cats in fact on fight-night she squared up to Jason and they almost got into a punch up (the only other women to vaguely attempted to do this have been Emma from same series, Charley BB8, Alex BB9). However, by the time Nadia competed in Ultimate BB a few years back her trans history was now well known and no longer a defining issue, she would be judged on her persona and her pugnacious slightly camp shrieky annoying aggressive shrew persona (strong female type) was disliked as much as it would be for any women.

Even former chum Brian D distanced himself from her in UBB. Nadia fell from grace and got massive boos. Imo that was the ultimate acceptance, being treated like any strong female in that house! Even Makosi got a better reception in UBB!!!


Wow this is a wonderful post, and i whole-heartedly agree with your points!

[thesheriff443]

well, he comes trouble!
luke was born a female and he won so there is your answer.

[alex_front2]

:nono: Nadia is the greatest winner of all time. Victor is unbelievably overrated. He was just a fat, bald man desperate to show how "bad" he was. Yet he got completely owned by Shell. He thought he was a great game-player, but he only survived three rounds of nominations.. He was a good housemate, but definitely didn't deserve to win over the goddess Nadia.

How can you say Victor was overrated when he didn't make it to final (so underrated) and Nadia and won. When her trans acceptance issue was no longer an issue she was 'owned' by Ulrika 'unlikeable' Johnson in UBB. Even former BB chum Brian D craftily distanced himself from her and Nadia was exposed as the overrated HM that she actually was who relied on 'trans acceptance route'. Don't get me wrong, I voted for her to win as she was a decent HM, but BB5 EVERY HM was brilliant and I also voted to stop Jason winning. Another reason why Victor is better than Nadia is because now that we are 8 year on from BB5, Victor is generally regarded as a legend, not Nadia (certainly UBB undid her popularity).

Most underrated HM of all time imo - Ahmed.

[dathadiguy]

:nono: Nadia is the greatest winner of all time. Victor is unbelievably overrated. He was just a fat, bald man desperate to show how "bad" he was. Yet he got completely owned by Shell. He thought he was a great game-player, but he only survived three rounds of nominations.. He was a good housemate, but definitely didn't deserve to win over the goddess Nadia.

Don't think he quite got owned by Shell, I remember her screaming in his face, going mad & then running off & crying like he did something to her.

[kefln]

Nadia BB5 winner was a strong woman. But her win WAS imo down to the trans story no doubt about it. Had she had been cis-gendered female - ie born with female body - she would have been regarded as a pugnacious slightly camp shrieky annoying aggressive shrew a la Charley BB8, the trans back-story secret gave her a 'vulnerability' and a narrative the public could get involved in and invest in.

However, Nadia was strong and she stood her ground on several occasions against the jungle cats in fact on fight-night she squared up to Jason and they almost got into a punch up (the only other women to vaguely attempted to do this have been Emma from same series, Charley BB8, Alex BB9). However, by the time Nadia competed in Ultimate BB a few years back her trans history was now well known and no longer a defining issue, she would be judged on her persona and her pugnacious slightly camp shrieky annoying aggressive shrew persona (strong female type) was disliked as much as it would be for any women.

Nadia was a bully, with a massive chip on her shoulder, convinced that the world owed her something. I couldn't stand her in her winning year and I was glad when she was called on it the second time round.

I remember watching alot of the live feed that first year and the constant baiting, by Nadia's crew, at Jason and Victor was shocking. However the HL rarely showed it.

But she played that story, her history, to a tee and won despite her shocking personality.

Comparing her to Luke A, someone in a similar situation, and they have no common ground. Luke A is the perfect role model for people who have gender issues/problems.

[kefln]

In retrospect I think Victor should have won that series.
Victor was the man! :D

He had a real chance of winning that year, but for one argument with Shell. But even he knew that in his exit interview.

[swinearefine]

How can you say Victor was overrated when he didn't make it to final (so underrated) and Nadia and won. When her trans acceptance issue was no longer an issue she was 'owned' by Ulrika 'unlikeable' Johnson in UBB. Even former BB chum Brian D craftily distanced himself from her and Nadia was exposed as the overrated HM that she actually was who relied on 'trans acceptance route'. Don't get me wrong, I voted for her to win as she was a decent HM, but BB5 EVERY HM was brilliant and I also voted to stop Jason winning. Another reason why Victor is better than Nadia is because now that we are 8 year on from BB5, Victor is generally regarded as a legend, not Nadia (certainly UBB undid her popularity).

Most underrated HM of all time imo - Ahmed.

I agree Nadia only won because she was a transsexual, but that doesn't mean she didn't deserve to win for a plethora of other reasons. She was hilarious and fiery and argumentative, and even if that's not why the public voted for her to win, that's why she deserved to win. In UBB she was treated like any other strong, argumentative woman and that is why she was evicted and booed.

[dathadiguy]

Nadia was a bully, with a massive chip on her shoulder, convinced that the world owed her something. I couldn't stand her in her winning year and I was glad when she was called on it the second time round.

I remember watching alot of the live feed that first year and the constant baiting, by Nadia's crew, at Jason and Victor was shocking. However the HL rarely showed it.

But she played that story, her history, to a tee and won despite her shocking personality.

Comparing her to Luke A, someone in a similar situation, and they have no common ground. Luke A is the perfect role model for people who have gender issues/problems.

Yes but it shows how far having a back-story will get you. This thread has turned into more of a debate about whether a back-story will get you further than having a strong personality.

[alex_front2]

Luke A actually said that he hated Nadia. He's a massive fan of show and said that when he realised a female transgendered person was appearing on show he was excited but he watched LF and went off her.

If LukeA and Nadia were both in BB5 neither would win as the trans story would be cancelling each other out and ultimately irrelevant.

This is why when you have someone like BB7 Pete Bennett wth tourettes, BB9 Mikey with blindness or BB11 Steve with his war hero leg disfigurement you need a nother person in there with a comparable condition so it's no longer neccessarily some USP.

[swinearefine]

Don't think he quite got owned by Shell, I remember her screaming in his face, going mad & then running off & crying like he did something to her.

"Victor, you're a cvnt but I'm dancing with you."

Best line in BB history.

[alex_front2]

Having a back story is a really good get out of jail clause. It benefited Nadia 100%. Nadia was as aggressive as Alex BB9. Guess who got kicked out.

[chuff me dizzy]

Kate won ,she was a strong woman ,but also likable ,you will win nothing being nasty

[alex_front2]

Kate won ,she was a strong woman ,but also likable ,you will win nothing being nasty

For me Kate was not strong. Very likeable very funny but definitely not strong. In her year strong women imo were Alison, Adele, and Jade, yea Jade. BB9 Alex, Ashleyne and Makosi would laugh at Kate being seen as a strong woman!

Kate cried too much and was looking to Spencer Johnny and PJ to 'save and protect her' when Alex was horrid to her. Strong women NEVER look to men to protect and help them. They take the men on themselves. Kate was a less annoying less needy and girlie version of fake tomboy Lauren

[Kizzy]

I like those who are nice but are not 'yesmen' they are not influnced by others and know their own minds.
Not afraid to defend themselves either.
Deana is a great example.

[cassieparis]

I asked first :) If you were polite you'd give me an answer.

Entertainment is subjective and so this is the likely reason some do not answer. People aren't looking to get shot down on a debate based on their personal view.
Also it comes across as a demand that will be scrutinised and criticised to the endth degree...... maybe?
In my humble opinion Deana was entertaining because she wasn't the wall flower that she could of stereotypically been mistaken for.
She loved to dance and could dance successfully and entertainingly to the tune.
Deana stood up for her self. Firstly to Arron and others followed. Highly entertaining to see her no sh^t attitude.
She was prepared to be independent and hang on to her views and values in discussion highly entertaining.
She teased Luke S relentlessly about losing out to his "friend" something a lot of us would have like to do she did it for us. Very entertaining.
She's glamorous particularly on her many eviction nights and the list of entertaining likeable characteristics and behaviour goes on.
If they didn't get it, they didn't get it. :shrug:

[chuff me dizzy]

For me Kate was not strong. Very likeable very funny but definitely not strong. In her year strong women imo were Alison, Adele, and Jade, yea Jade. BB9 Alex, Ashleyne and Makosi would laugh at Kate being seen as a strong woman!

Kate cried too much and was looking to Spencer Johnny and PJ to 'save and protect her' when Alex was horrid to her. Strong women NEVER look to men to protect and help them. They take the men on themselves. Kate was a less annoying less needy and girlie version of fake tomboy Lauren

Kate was mates with the lads, she didnt flirt, she was lovely,and had class stamped all over her ,one of the best winners ever IMO

[alex_front2]

Kate was mates with the lads, she didnt flirt, she was lovely,and had class stamped all over her ,one of the best winners ever IMO

I am not disputing whether she was a good winner, she was lovely and I have no big issues with her win at all. However, she was not strong but quite weak. She ALWAYS went to PJ, Spencer and Johnny for protection against Alex and Jade. And only began to stick up for her self when Spencer and PJ left and Johnny stopped helping her so overtly as he began to think about winning, needed a strong cheeky chappy persona after rows with Sandy and Alex and didn't want to get into more fights so stopped defending her.

[chuff me dizzy]

I am not disputing whether she was a good winner, she was lovely and I have no big issues with her win at all. However, she was not strong but quite weak. She ALWAYS went to PJ, Spencer and Johnny for protection against Alex and Jade. And only began to stick up for her self when Spencer and PJ left and Johnny stopped helping her so overtly as he began to think about winning, needed a strong cheeky chappy persona after rows with Sandy and Alex and didn't want to get into more fights so stopped defending her.

Yes i suppose thats right really, I was never a fan of Johnny !! :nono:

[iRyan]

I've said this time and time again, the public doesn't like strong, independent women - they view them as being a 'bitch'. Yet, if a guy acts like that, he's a 'legend'. The public seems to only love vulnerable, submissive, or inoffensive women.

[alex_front2]

But I did like Kate, but she wasn't really strong. Funny. Yes. Tomboyish (compared to Lauren, hell yea). Worthy winner, yep. Strong? Nah!

Re Johnny - he was so calculating. He really stopped defending and protecting Kate to try and win, and regain his loveable funtime frankie persona, so transparent. Hated him.

[alex_front2]

But I did like Kate, but she wasn't really strong. Funny. Yes. Tomboyish (compared to Lauren, hell yea). Worthy winner, yep. Strong? Nah!

Re Johnny - he was so calculating. He really stopped defending and protecting Kate to try and win, and regain his loveable funtime frankie persona, so transparent. Hated him.

[chuff me dizzy]

But I did like Kate, but she wasn't really strong. Funny. Yes. Tomboyish (compared to Lauren, hell yea). Worthy winner, yep. Strong? Nah!

Re Johnny - he was so calculating. He really stopped defending and protecting Kate to try and win, and regain his loveable funtime frankie persona, so transparent. Hated him.

me too, Kate drunk trying to put them trousers on ,one of my fav bb moments and them sneaking into rich side, classic BB before the hm8s got as camera savvy

[Black Dagger]

Kate is actually one of my few favourite winners.

She was so amazing, I wish I could have watched her on the live-feed tbh.

[iRyan]

How was Deana a strong woman? :S

She always stood up for herself and spoke her opinion whenever she felt like it. She challenged people and didn't back down. We saw this throughout the entire series with her confrontations with Conor, Arron, Ashleigh, Shievonne, Luke S, and Sara. She wasn't submissive to anyone in the house, she was dominant. She was never afraid to speak her mind and she didn't seek approval of others. Of course she's a strong women.

[chuff me dizzy]

She always stood up for herself and spoke her opinion whenever she felt like it. She challenged people and didn't back down. We saw this throughout the entire series with her confrontations with Conor, Arron, Ashleigh, Shievonne, Luke S, and Sara. She wasn't submissive to anyone in the house, she was dominant. She was never afraid to speak her mind and she didn't seek approval of others. Of course she's a strong women.

She backstabbed, and never confronted ANYONE ,even though some of you claim she confronted Luke S,She never did, HE confronted HER after he found out she had been backstabbing

[Moviefan]

I still gutted that Nikk did win few years ago, i am clad she came second in the Ultimate Big Brother, they both very good watch in there series!

[boomoo]

Kate?

She was the first female to win and she was strong, independent and funny.

Yes. Funny being the important word. Thoroughly entertaining.
This years lot did not come up with one original idea to amuse us.

[boomoo]

She always stood up for herself and spoke her opinion whenever she felt like it. She challenged people and didn't back down. We saw this throughout the entire series with her confrontations with Conor, Arron, Ashleigh, Shievonne, Luke S, and Sara. She wasn't submissive to anyone in the house, she was dominant. She was never afraid to speak her mind and she didn't seek approval of others. Of course she's a strong women.

Yes. So strong that she could not admit she had burnt her toast. Stupidly saying, the toaster over and over.
Not strong enough to wash up either.

[rayheartbliss]

never! big brother is a place for women to hate other women who they consider better than them.
and a place for men to hate on women who won't take sheeet from them.

[rayheartbliss]

never! big brother is a place for women to hate other women who they consider better than them.
and a place for men to hate on women who won't take sheeet from them.

[the truth]

youre mistaking the word strong for ignorant , petty , vindictive and argumentative....those housemates always lose regardless of being men or women
which is what these housemates were....

a strong female HAS won kate bb2 .... nadia .....sophie...rachel rice...josie...all strong in their own ways...same with shilpa and chantelle...strong women but basically decent people

[Raph]

I think Rachel was a strong female and she won! :)

[the truth]

I am not disputing whether she was a good winner, she was lovely and I have no big issues with her win at all. However, she was not strong but quite weak. She ALWAYS went to PJ, Spencer and Johnny for protection against Alex and Jade. And only began to stick up for her self when Spencer and PJ left and Johnny stopped helping her so overtly as he began to think about winning, needed a strong cheeky chappy persona after rows with Sandy and Alex and didn't want to get into more fights so stopped defending her.

oh what complete and utter rubbish

:nono:

kate lasted the 3 months , stood up to jade and others behaving like idiots, got drunk, danced, laughed, got involved in every task, spoke her mind , she was a multi faceted winner, everyone liked her and she also went to have continued success.....she was one of the strongeest conestants bb has ever had, male or female.....you simply dont understand what the word strong means

is strong the person who choses his battles and beats everyone or is strong the person who fights everyone and loses ? the latter person is a loser who looks for petty conflict and thinks that makes the person look strong....its petty its short term and its pathetically weak

[coolface]

Shut up :joker:
I voted for all 3 to win ;)
Anyway when i enter, i can be the strong female that finally wins xoxoyour going on bb?

[alex_front2]

oh what complete and utter rubbish

:nono:

kate lasted the 3 months , stood up to jade and others behaving like idiots, got drunk, danced, laughed, got involved in every task, spoke her mind , she was a multi faceted winner, everyone liked her and she also went to have continued success.....she was one of the strongeest conestants bb has ever had, male or female.....you simply dont understand what the word strong means

is strong the person who choses his battles and beats everyone or is strong the person who fights everyone and loses ? the latter person is a loser who looks for petty conflict and thinks that makes the person look strong....its petty its short term and its pathetically weak

I am not disputing whether kate waa likeable or deserving of winning i am saying kate was weak. Kate initially struggled to stick up for herself and did look to.spencer to protect her against alex - this intensified 2 guys rivalry until they were nommed in famous head to head which spencer.lost. girls who need a man to protect them are weak imo. but a nice girl all the same.

Nadia first strong woman to win.

[Munchkins]

your going on bb?

Well when i am old enough, i am applying :laugh:

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

Fermales should be seen not heard, they must know their place on big brother.

hot

[Patrick]

It happened in 2002..

[alex_front2]

Remember when Conor was bland in week 1 and Lydia and.Victoria were being gobby and creating drama? Guess who got 65%....

[starry]

The last strong female to win was Kate Lawler! :amazed::worship:

She was probably stronger than other female winners, though she did latch onto some of the men in the house as well. Nadia if we classify her under this cried over cigarettes much of the time. In fact the strongest female winner might be Rachel though I didn't see much of that series, and she seemed pretty quiet.