WikiLeaks Founder Julian Assange has been granted asylum by Ecuador

[billy123]

After claims from an embassy official earlier that UK police were threatening to raid the ecudorian embassy and remove Julian Assange there are reports police have forced a fire exit and entered the lobby of the embassy.
http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/08/16/wikileaks-assange-ecuador-idINL2E8JFH5K20120816
* Quito says it would see a raid as a "hostile and intolerable act" *


Live stream by someone outside the embassy is up now.
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/OCCUPYNEWSNETWORK

The havent yet crossed into sovereign Ecuadorian soil within the embassy if they do it will cause a diplomatic crapstorm and be seen as a show of agression and an invasion into another country and possibly even an act of war.

It is also against u.n. law and the vienna convention.
UN Dec. 1967: granting asylum is a peaceful and humanitarian act that cannot be regarded as unfriendly by any other State.

They are trying their best to intimidate ecudor into handing him over it is pretty disgraceful behaviour.
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People at the embassy just filmed a pizza delivery guy go into the embassy wearing bike leathers and a crash helmet then walk out 5 minutes later unchallenged that would just be amazing if they really pulled the old switcheroo trick.

Personally i hope assange was smuggled out of the embassy days ago and is sunning himself somewhere nice by now.

[Novo]

That Assange guy has been accused of Assault and Rape hasn't he? the sooner he is Questioned about that the better

[Shaun]

Wow. :/

[Locke.]

Bauer is an expert at this sort of thing, call him up

[billy123]

That Assange guy has been accused of Assault and Rape hasn't he? the sooner he is Questioned about that the betterThe complaint was thrown out as being unreliable over two years ago until America expressed a strong interest in extraditing him to question him about wikileaks then suddenly the complaint was revived and the swedish said they wanted to question him so he said yes sure come and ask me anything you want but they have refused to speak to him because once they have done that they have to charge him or drop it if they charged him he would have been extradited straight away but they wont charge him (because the case is rubbish)

The only law he has broken is breaking his bail.

Its a big pooey mess the Americans are just desperate to see him dead or in guantanamo bay.

If sweden manage to extradite him without charging him his arse will barely skim the tarmac before he is up in the air and on his way to America to die.

[Omah]

Not according to the BBC ..... :nono:

[billy123]

Not according to the BBC ..... :nono:What the bbc say and what you can see happening with your own eyes are quite different.
Are the bbc streaming live? noop.

I have however changed the thread title to imminent the place was swarming with armed police earlier they are also on the roof of ajoining buildings.
They backed away once a police diplomatic team arrived.

New stream now up http://bambuser.com/v/2905636

story of police entering the building that houses the embassy http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/uk-police-descend-on-assanges-embassy-refuge-20120816-249pe.html (the link is new to me i watched them entering on the stream earlier)

Im suprised you rely the bbc for info omah :nono: :pat:
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Its clear that the show of force was just for intimidation purposes its my feeling that the uk wouldnt be silly enough to go any further than entering the lobby of the building and spark an international incident but wow what an interesting turn of events the sight of armed police on the roof of harrods was just quite frankly bizarre.
I believe a decision on the offer of asylum for Assange is due at 1pm.

[arista]

Sadly they did not Raid
at a sneaky time.


Is he in there?

[arista]

Bauer is an expert at this sort of thing, call him up



Now that would be fun

[Shaun]

horrifically embarrassing... ashamed that our country is capable of such tactics

[arista]

horrifically embarrassing... ashamed that our country is capable of such tactics


Shaun its Expected
Its our Laws.


Of Course at this time - its not Breaking Now
he is still in there or has gone down the tunnel.

[Omah]

What the bbc say and what you can see happening with your own eyes are quite different.
Are the bbc streaming live? noop.

I have however changed the thread title to imminent the place was swarming with armed police earlier they are also on the roof of ajoining buildings.
They backed away once a police diplomatic team arrived.

New stream now up http://bambuser.com/v/2905636

story of police entering the building that houses the embassy http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/uk-police-descend-on-assanges-embassy-refuge-20120816-249pe.html (the link is new to me i watched them entering on the stream earlier)

Im suprised you rely the bbc for info omah :nono: :pat:
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Its clear that the show of force was just for intimidation purposes its my feeling that the uk wouldnt be silly enough to go any further than entering the lobby of the building and spark an international incident but wow what an interesting turn of events the sight of armed police on the roof of harrods was just quite frankly bizarre.
I believe a decision on the offer of asylum for Assange is due at 1pm.

It seems to me that your "sources" are making mountains out of molehills ..... :suspect:

[billy123]

Sadly they did not Raid
at a sneaky time.


Is he in there?
Hopefully not! I would like to think that he is miles away by now

horrifically embarrassing... ashamed that our country is capable of such tacticsIt is shameful the scenes been streamed by people outside were horrific it was blatent intimidation on a huge scale there were shocking scenes being streamed live and yet nothing being reported by the uk mainstream.

If it wasnt for the advent of live streaming it would have gone almost unoticed it certainly wasnt televised.
A minor but amusing note was the slow but steady stream of taxis pulling up outside the embassy being approached by police to be told someone ordered a taxi for Julian heading to the airport. oh those wacky live stream viewers :joker:

It seems to me that your "sources" are making mountains out of molehills ..... :suspect:http://www.2epix.com/pictures/8d30aa96e72440759f74bd2306c1fa3d.jpg
oooo it wasnt on the bbc so it didnt happen?

BAA BAAAA BAAA

[Omah]

oooo it wasnt on the bbc so it didnt happen?

BAA BAAAA BAAA

AFAIK, no credible source has reported the "drama" you insist happened - instead :

A small group of Assange supporters later gathered outside overnight and into the morning. The atmosphere was largely peaceful, although police briefly scuffled with a handful of people who refused to be moved. There was no sign police might try to enter the embassy.

Copyright © 2012 The Associated Press

[arista]

Its was just debated now on SkyNews.

He expected to go to that Nation

[billy123]

AFAIK, no credible source has reported the "drama" you insist happened - instead :



Copyright © 2012 The Associated PressYou stick to your spoon state sponsored fed media shtick theres a good citizen.
There are multiple news sources reporting the same thing just because the bbc isnt one of them is not suprising they are pretty crap.

[Livia]

The police are allowed to enter any embassy under the Diplomatic and Consular Premises Act.

[Omah]

You stick to your spoon state sponsored fed media shtick theres a good citizen.
There are multiple news sources reporting the same thing just because the bbc isnt one of them is not suprising they are pretty crap.

There is no need to be offensive ..... :nono:

[arista]

The police are allowed to enter any embassy under the Diplomatic and Consular Premises Act.


Sure
but they do not want trouble.

[Kizzy]

Throughout the world, local police and security forces are not permitted to enter an embassy unless they have the express permission of the ambassador - even though the embassy remains the territory of the host nation.

This rule was set out in the 1961 Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations which codified the "rule of inviolability". It is a rule that all nations observe because it is in their interests to do so - if they enter someone else's embassy, their own diplomatic missions are put at risk of similar activity elsewhere.

Therefore, the Foreign Office has said that by being at the embassy, Mr Assange is on diplomatic territory and beyond the reach of police.

However, on 15 August, it emerged that the Foreign Office had reminded Ecuador that it had the power to revoke the embassy's diplomatic status under the Diplomatic and Consular Premises Act 1987.

This would potentially allow police to enter the building to arrest Mr Assange.

BBC diplomatic correspondent Bridget Kendall says she cannot recall a precedent in which the act has been used to revoke an embassy's diplomatic status.

She says if the law was challenged UK diplomats admit there would be a "range of legal arguments" that would need to be made to justify seeking entry.

[billy123]

The police are allowed to enter any embassy under the Diplomatic and Consular Premises Act.It would be the first time it had ever been resorted to it is a pretty desperate measure.
The real reason for the desperation to get their hands on him is pretty transparent and quite disgusting.

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/08/15/article-0-13B34511000005DC-856_634x343.jpg

They should sneak him out
and fly him to Ecuador


His Asylum has Now Been Granted
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[lostalex]

Assange is pathetic. HE is trying to use Wikileaks as an excuse to get out of his rape charges.

The women that he has allegedly raped have a right to their day in court. For someone who is supposedly so interested in the idea of justice and freedom it's amazing that he doesn't think these women have a right to justice.

The people protecting him are pathetic groupies that think he is some sort of God. They think he's incapable of any wrong doing and use pathetic conspiracy theories to justify their support.

[MTVN]

I'm glad they've granted him asylum

[lostalex]

I'm glad they've granted him asylum


do you honestly think that he's going to get to Ecuador and live out the rest of his days in that country? gimme a break. this is all just a publicity stunt from the attention ***** Assange. If the UK said today he is free to go to Ecuador do you honestly think he'd go?? lol

He's just milking the media attention for all it's worth.

[MTVN]

I'm sure he would go if the alternative was being kept under house arrest without charge like he has been the last two years, I never said he was going to live out the rest of his days there I'm just glad that Ecuador have stood up to Britain, Sweden and the US and granted him asylum

[billy123]

Assange is pathetic. HE is trying to use Wikileaks as an excuse to get out of his rape charges.

The women that he has allegedly raped have a right to their day in court. For someone who is supposedly so interested in the idea of justice and freedom it's amazing that he doesn't think these women have a right to justice.

The people protecting him are pathetic groupies that think he is some sort of God. They think he's incapable of any wrong doing and use pathetic conspiracy theories to justify their support.There are no charges against him :conf: just a wish to talk to him which he was happy to do but they wont because then they have to either charge him or drop it they have used it to keep him under house arrest for 2 years without charging him if there was a case to answer they would have charged him and extradited him.

[lostalex]

I'm sure he would go if the alternative was being kept under house arrest without charge like he has been the last two years, I never said he was going to live out the rest of his days there I'm just glad that Ecuador have stood up to Britain, Sweden and the US and granted him asylum

What does the US have to do with it? The US hasn't done anything with regards to Assange. The US has already Caught the perpetrator of the leaks, Bradley Manning. The US has nothing to do with Assange being accused of rape, unless you are a conspiracy theorist.

[lostalex]

There are no charges against him :conf: just a wish to talk to him which he was happy to do but they wont because then they have to either charge him or drop it they have used it to keep him under house arrest for 2 years without charging him if there was a case to answer they would have charged him and extradited him.


I meant accusations, not charges, but don't be pedantic. and he's been under house arrest for 2 years because he's been fighting extradition. If he had just gone to sweden, and he defended himself against the accusations, if he is innocent he'd be totally free right now. All of his troubles right now are because he is refusing to face the rape allegations, which to me says he's trying to hide something. If he was innocent this would all be behind him by now.

[MTVN]

What does the US have to do with it? The US hasn't done anything with regards to Assange. The US has already Caught the perpetrator of the leaks, Bradley Manning. The US has nothing to do with Assange being accused of rape, unless you are a conspiracy theorist.

Because the decision to grant him asylum was made partly because neither the British, Swedish or American authorities have been able to guarantee that Assange wouldn't be handed over to the US after being extradited to Sweden

[lostalex]

Because the decision to grant him asylum was made partly because neither the British, Swedish or American authorities have been able to guarantee that Assange wouldn't be handed over to the US after being extradited to Sweden

the british swedish and american authorities can't garuntee anyone won't be handed over to anyone, it's a case by case basis obviously. why would julian assange deserve any kind of assurances?? why do you think he deserves special treatment?? If you are accussed of a crime, you face the accusations, period. that's true for everyone, why would julian assange get some sort of immunity?

[billy123]

the british swedish and american authorities can't garuntee anyone won't be handed over to anyone, it's a case by case basis obviously. why would julian assange deserve any kind of assurances?? why do you think he deserves special treatment?? If you are accussed of a crime, you face the accusations, period. that's true for everyone, why would julian assange get some sort of immunity?He has openly invited the swedish to come and interview him which would be normal procedure which would then follow with either him being charged and extradited or released but they wont interview him i wonder why :whistle:
extraditing someone to see if they might have done something wrong yeah thats normal. :joker:

[arista]

This is Down to Trust


and we do not trust America

Its that simple.

[lostalex]

This is Down to Trust


and we do not trust America

Its that simple.

who is we?

If America wanted Julian Assange we'd already have him. We got Osama bin Laden, it wouldn't be hard to get that little albino freak.

[Tom4784]

It's a mess of a situation and it's despicable that the police have gone to such lengths.

[arista]

who is we?

If America wanted Julian Assange we'd already have him. We got Osama bin Laden, it wouldn't be hard to get that little albino freak.


A Large amount of TIBB posters

[joeysteele]

I think,if they think about it, Ecuador may have indirectly given the UK a way out of this, now he is granted asylum there, the UK Govt should allow him to go there now.

It is then between Sweden and Ecuador after that, the UK has no arguments with either Sweden or Ecuador.
When they agreed to extradite him to Sweden there was no political asylum in place, now there is, the UK would look no less foolish in allowing him to go with diplomats to Ecuador than it would by a likely very long ongoing bad publicity ridden argument as to someones human rights.
All this police activity does look rather unsavoury as to one person.
Actually going in and getting him would likely open up a massive wave of disasters for UK embassies all over the place in other Countries,especially where the UK is near detested anyway.

Once he was away from the UK and in Ecuador the UK could then wash their hands of the whole situation after that.
No Country as yet has any charges as to him, only allegations, Sweden has also refused to come and talk to him here or even via video link.
There is a Nation that has stepped in and declared they have given him asylum there,namely Ecuador, I cannot see the UK Govt. coming out of this looking good in any way if it completely ignores that major development.
Whether he is guilty or not of anything is clearly not for the UK to decide.I have no thoughts either way as to him but if I were the Govt, he would be off and on his way to Ecuador now and I would be telling Sweden they should have come and talked to him here when it was offered and to now take things up with Ecuador.

[Livia]

Can I ask why so many people view this man as some kind of hero?

[arista]

Can I ask why so many people view this man as some kind of hero?




The leaks on Corruption in the CIA.

[Omah]

Still no police raid, then ..... :pipe:

[arista]

Still no police raid, then ..... :pipe:


No
but outside Police are trying to move the supporters
and fights


Why no No BBC link on that?

[MTVN]

I don't consider him a hero but I do have respect for what Wikileaks have done and I don't think it's fair the way he's been treated

the british swedish and american authorities can't garuntee anyone won't be handed over to anyone, it's a case by case basis obviously. why would julian assange deserve any kind of assurances?? why do you think he deserves special treatment?? If you are accussed of a crime, you face the accusations, period. that's true for everyone, why would julian assange get some sort of immunity?

The Swedes have no legitimate reason to want him extradited when they've been offered the opportunity to question him here numerous times but refused without giving a reason, he'd pretty much be thrown in a cell straight away and youve also got senators in the US saying he should be prosecuted for espionage, you can understand why he's a bit wary

[lostalex]

The leaks on Corruption in the CIA.

sorry, umm, what? please be more specific. The wikileaks cables didn't reveal any wrong doing by the US government. Nothing in the released documents showed America doing anything illegal at all.

That's why you cannot call him a whistle blower. Whistle blowers reveal wrong doing. Blowing the whistle on people doing something wrong, but nothing in the wikileaks revealed any wrong doing at all. so it's not whistle blowing.

it's been 2 years since he released those diplomatic cables, and no one has found ANYTHING out of order, or wrong. HE released it saying it would expose America for being horrible, but it did the exact opposite, it actually proved that America is not hiding anything.

[billy123]

Still no police raid, then ..... :pipe:Keep up with the thread as has been said already it was a tactical move designed to try and intimidate the ecudorians into handing Assange over just hours before they announced the result of his asylum application.

You also questioned the fact that i said police had entered the building in the early hours of the morning but not crossed the threshold of the embassys offices.
That is now being reported as fact by the media as a whole ;)

[Omah]

No
but outside Police are trying to move the supporters
and fights


Why no No BBC link on that?

Assange extradition: Scuffles outside Ecuador embassy (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19279838)

[Omah]

Keep up with the thread as has been said already it was a tactical move designed to try and intimidate the ecudorians into handing Assange over just hours before they announced the result of his asylum application.

You also questioned the fact that i said police had entered the building in the early hours of the morning but not crossed the threshold of the embassys offices.
That is now being reported as fact by the media as a whole ;)

Still no "police raid", then - obviously someone's trying to make a drama out of a crisis ...... :joker:

[MTVN]

sorry, umm, what? please be more specific. The wikileaks cables didn't reveal any wrong doing by the US government. Nothing in the released documents showed America doing anything illegal at all.

That's why you cannot call him a whistle blower. Whistle blowers reveal wrong doing. Blowing the whistle on people doing something wrong, but nothing in the wikileaks revealed any wrong doing at all. so it's not whistle blowing.

it's been 2 years since he released those diplomatic cables, and no one has found ANYTHING out of order, or wrong. HE released it saying it would expose America for being horrible, but it did the exact opposite, it actually proved that America is not hiding anything.

Did you actually read or take notice of any of the cables?

[lostalex]

Did you actually read or take notice of any of the cables?

yes, i folowed the story, i was quite excited to see what amazing secrets America was hiding from the world.... and like the rest of the world, i waited, and waited, and waited, and still, nothing has been revealed that showed any wrong doing on the part of the American government.

Please prove me wrong... please show me which cable exposed some horrible action by the US....

actually you should probably tell the BBC, or the Guardian or CNN before you tell me if you do find one, cause i'm sure they'd like to know too...

[MTVN]

So the Guantanamo leaks revealed no wrongdoing? http://m.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/25/guantanamo-files-lift-lid-prison?cat=world&type=article

Or the leaks about how America ignored torture in Iraq? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-11611319

I can give you a lot more if you want, when I'm at a computer

[lostalex]

So the Guantanamo leaks revealed no wrongdoing? http://m.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/25/guantanamo-files-lift-lid-prison?cat=world&type=article

Or the leaks about how America ignored torture in Iraq? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-11611319

I can give you a lot more if you want, when I'm at a computer


You can give me a lot more? You havn't even said anything yet. Show me anything that America has done wrong, anything illegal exposed by wikileaks. there was NOTHING. show me ONE thing that came out of those cables that revealed anything illegal.

You obviously don't know anything about what you are talking about.

You need to get to a computer why? Cause you need to google it? So you can't think of anything? So you are OUTRAGED by the wikileaks, but you can't even remember off the top of yur head anything that was important?? LOL

[arista]

Asylum has Now Been Granted

bobnot you could Edit your Title now
as he is now safe


They have said he can not have safe passage out of the UK,
so I say sneak him out on a Cargo plane

[lostalex]

Asylum has Now Been Granted

bobnot you could Edit your Title now
as he is now safe


They have said he can not have safe passage out of the UK,
so I say sneak him out on a Cargo plane

he ain't goin nowhere. This is all just a publicity stunt. his donations were running low so he needed a way to get his name back in the papers to get more free cash, that's all this is.

He should change his name to Julian Kardashian.

[MTVN]

You can give me a lot more? You havn't even said anything yet. Show me anything that America has done wrong, anything illegal exposed by wikileaks. there was NOTHING. show me ONE thing that came out of those cables that revealed anything illegal.

You obviously don't know anything about what you are talking about.

You need to get to a computer why? Cause you need to google it? So you can't think of anything? So you are OUTRAGED by the wikileaks, but you can't even remember off the top of yur head anything that was important?? LOL

:crazy:

I need a computer because you asked for links which I can't give easily on my iPod

So there's no wrongdoing in either of those two links I gave? Ok then...

[lostalex]

:crazy:

I need a computer because you asked for links which I can't give easily on my iPod

So there's no wrongdoing in either of those two links I gave? Ok then...


sorry, remind me which crimes were exposed. So Iraqi's torturing people is the US's fault? Wow, middle eastern countries torture people in their jails? shocker!!! Thank goodness the wikileaks showed that cause no body knew that was going on!!

If the US ignored it, then so did the rest of the world, so i don't see how that can be counted against the US specifically.

Gues what, they torture people in Chinese jails, North korean jails, and Cuban jails too!! is that the US's fault too? roll on.

[billy123]

Asylum has Now Been Granted

bobnot you could Edit your Title now
as he is now safe


They have said he can not have safe passage out of the UK,
so I say sneak him out on a Cargo planeI will any suggestions for the title?

[MTVN]

sorry, remind me which crimes were exposed. So Iraqi's torturing people is the US's fault? Wow, middle eastern countries torture people in their jails? shocker!!! Thank goodness the wikileaks showed that cause no body knew that was going on!!

If the US ignored it, then so did the rest of the world, so i don't see how that can be counted against the US specifically.

Gues what, they torture people in Chinese jails, North korean jails, and Cuban jails too!! is that the US's fault too? roll on.

Except you forget that the US had invaded and occupied Iraq at this time and the torture was being carried out right under their noses

What do you make of this one then? http://www.aljazeera.com/news/americas/2010/04/201045123449200569.html

[lostalex]

Except you forget that the US had invaded and occupied Iraq at this time and the torture was being carried out right under their noses

What do you make of this one then? http://www.aljazeera.com/news/americas/2010/04/201045123449200569.html

The US didn't invade anyone. The coalition invaded Iraq to uphold UN sanctions against Iraq and afford the UN weapons inspectors protection so they could do their job properly after being blocked by Sadam Hussein's regime.

[Josy]

Removed a few posts, try to debate without resorting to petty insults please.

[billy123]

If the Americans arent running scared of Assanges wikileaks why are they so desperate to get their hands on him? surely if they have nothing to hide it doesnt matter.

[lostalex]

If the Americans arent running scared of Assanges wikileaks why are they so desperate to get their hands on him?


umm, The American's are "desperate to get their hands on Assange"??? what? why are you saying that? The Americans have done absolutely NOTHING to try to get their hands on Assange. SO i have no idea what you are refering to.

What has America done to "try to get their hands on Assange"?

[arista]

I will any suggestions for the title?



Asylum has Now Been Granted for Assange

etc.

or


WikiLeaks Founder Julian Assange has been granted asylum by Ecuador

[lostalex]

William Hague - Foreign Secretary (aka the British equivalent of Hillary Clinton):

"We will not allow Mr Assange safe passage out of the United Kingdom, nor is there any legal basis for us to do so. The United Kingdom does not recognise the principle of diplomatic asylum.

It is far from a universally accepted concept: the United Kingdom is not a party to any legal instruments which require us to recognise the grant of diplomatic asylum by a foreign embassy in this country.

Moreover, it is well established that, even for those countries which do recognise diplomatic asylum, it should not be used for the purposes of escaping the regular processes of the courts. And in this case that is clearly what is happening."

[billy123]

umm, The American's are "desperate to get their hands on Assange"??? what? why are you saying that? The Americans have done absolutely NOTHING to try to get their hands on Assange. SO i have no idea what you are refering to.

What has America done to "try to get their hands on Assange"?The justice department has already said they are exploring possible charges against wikileaks and assange regarding the release of diplomatic messages add to that the calls from some american politicians that he should be killed if that doesnt make it clear that they want him then i dont know what does the only problem they have is what to charge him with and how to make it stick.

Also it is the norm for an extradition to contain a rule of speciality which ensures that the person facing extradition can only face charges for the offence they are being extradited for and the swedish prosecutors have refused to include that in the extradition which leaves him open to further charges and extradition to a further country. Why would they not grant a rule of speciality if they dont intend to pass him on to the U.S.?

[billy123]

Asylum has Now Been Granted for Assange

etc.

or


WikiLeaks Founder Julian Assange has been granted asylum by EcuadorDone cheers.

[lostalex]

The justice department has already said they are exploring possible charges against wikileaks and assange regarding the release of diplomatic messages add to that the calls from some american politicians that he should be killed if that doesnt make it clear that they want him then i dont know what does the only problem they have is what to charge him with and how to make it stick.

IC, so Americans doing investigations, researching things, gathering information, and not charging him with anything, never requesting to talk to him, never requesting extradition = Americans trying to get their hands on him???

lol, are you serious?

[arista]

William Hague:

"We will not allow Mr Assange safe passage out of the United Kingdom, nor is there any legal basis for us to do so. The United Kingdom does not recognise the principle of diplomatic asylum."


Of Course
that why I say sneak him out on a Cargo Plane
it can be done
and no one will know until they find him Live on CNN
from that Nation.

[lostalex]

If Julian is being persecuted in any way then where are the Aussies?? after all he is an Australian citizen. If Julian was being unfairly targeted in any way then obviously the Australian government would be outraged and defending him. I don't hear anything from the Aussies though.

What does that tell you?? His own country doesn't even want anything to do with him. That should tell you everything you need to know.

[billy123]

IC, so Americans doing investigations, researching things, gathering information, and not charging him with anything, never requesting to talk to him, never requesting extradition = Americans trying to get their hands on him???

lol, are you serious?So why are the Swedish prosecutors refusing to include a rule of speciality to prevent further charges which is the norm in these cases?

[lostalex]

So why are the Swedish prosecutors refusing to include a rule of speciality to prevent further charges which is the norm in these cases?

how the hell should i know? why don't you ask the SWEDES? how is that America get's blamed for something that yu are unhappy with from the Swedes??

IS America blamed for everything every country does?? funny how there are so many countries involved, but only America BIG BAD AMERICA get's blamed for everything., wtf.

[billy123]

how the hell should i know? why don't you ask the SWEDES? how is that America get's blamed for something that yu are unhappy with from the Swedes??

IS America blamed for everything every country does?? funny how there are so many countries involved, but only America BIG BAD AMERICA get's blamed for everything., wtf.
Oh come on alex you were supposed to fill in the obvious! Because refusing to grant the rule of speciality enables them to pass him on into the hands of the U.S.

Wow you were quick to jump on the we are the victims train then.

[lostalex]

Oh come on alex you were supposed to fill in the obvious! Because refusing to grant the rule of speciality enables them to pass him on into the hands of the U.S.

Wow you were quick to jump on the we are the victims train then.

Well if the US investigations show that he does have a case to answer for then he should be extradited to the US, that's how the justice system works, and he would obviously get a fair trial here. But so far the US has not requested he face any charges, so to presume he will is just ridiculous.

It's been 2 years now, i'm pretty sure if the US wanted him, they'd have said so by now.

The US is prosecuting the guy that actually leaked the cables, Bradley Manning, not Julian Assange. America already knows that Assange would be protected by freedom of speech laws in the US, they arn't wasting their time.

He is just using bigotry against the US to try to shield himself against his sexual assault charges. That's my honest opinion.

[lostalex]

No one should be under any illusions, he is seeking asylum for his sex crimes case, not for anything to do with wikileaks.

Equador is giving him asylum from rape allegations, there are no other allegations against him.

[billy123]

A live stream is up at the moment and somebody is attempting to put a policeman under citizens arrest it would be amusing if it wasnt such a sad state of affairs.
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/aejkohl

[Omah]

A live stream is up at the moment and somebody is attempting to put a policeman under citizens arrest it would be amusing if it wasnt such a sad state of affairs.
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/aejkohl

Another non-event being staged by non-entities, it would seem ..... :bored:

[Livia]

The judiciary of Ecuador is laced with corruption, their laws restrict freedom of expression, they are regularly accused of Human Rights abuse and their police are famously corrupt. And yet they are being hailed by some as heroes by offering asylum to Assange so he is not sent to Sweden – SWEDEN – to face charges on sex crimes. It speaks volumes to me.

[MTVN]

Maybe in the past but Correa has worked hard to tackle corruption and has succeeded in improving Ecuador's economy and bringing down poverty and unemployment, I am not aware of any human rights abuses committed under his government. People misrepresent his policy on the media as some sort of crackdown on free speech ignoring that the press have a huge amount of financial power and is dominated by private monopolies opposed to Correa's reforms and they abuse their power. I watched his interview with Assange on his RT show a few weeks ago and it's actually quite interesting

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This was always gonna be a lose lose situation for Correa (the US are their biggest trading partner after all) but he's handled this mess as best as he could and I'm glad he made the decision he did

[billy123]

Julian Assange's lawyer is due to make a statement within the next 30 mins and then Julian is expected to come out onto the balcony and make a short statement at around 2pm.
http://reuters.livestation.com/demo

This comes after Ecudor called for a vote of the organization of central america members on whether a meeting should be held to discuss the Assange case the votes were 25-3 for a meeting the only countries to vote against were the USA,Canada and trinidad.

[lostalex]

lol at everyone waiting for Julian to pop his head out. It feels like Groundhog Day, everyone waiting for that little rodent to pop out.



http://reinstaterecess.typepad.com/.a/6a011570a5c8b1970c01287754045a970c-800wi

[billy123]

Some of the idle chat being captured on the reuters stream is hilarious as the different news channels set up their equipment all bitching about each other and getting stressed about their setup. :joker:

[arista]

Yes Live on SkyNewsHD

Assange is getting ready to pop out on the balcony
to talk

at around 2PM

[lostalex]

Assange about to have his Evita moment. Don't cry for me Ecuador!! LOL

http://www.amps.net/newsletters/issue21/evita.gif


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[Iceman]

Assange about to have his Evita moment. Don't cry for me Ecuador!! LOL

http://www.amps.net/newsletters/issue21/evita.gif


4Spy3Nd2D6w

:laugh2:

[billy123]

Water is water raisins is raisins innit blud.

Simple :joker::joker::joker:

For real yo.

[lostalex]

Water is water raisins is raisins innit blud.

Simple :joker::joker::joker:

For real yo.

nope, some water is Evian, and some raisins are sultanas, havn't you been paying attention? :nono:

I've been learning a lot today. :)

[billy123]

Interesting stuff on the reuters stream about the endless history of whistleblowers being charged with other unrelated crimes and marked for extradition.
Once again the mainstream arent showing it live.
If anyone was daft enough to trust and just watch the 2 mins broadcast live on the mainstream they would think that was all there was and most of it was in spanish.

[billy123]

nope, some water is Evian, and some raisins are sultanas, havn't you been paying attention? :nono:

I've been learning a lot today. :)
:) Good work keep going Alex theres so much more.

[lostalex]

:) Good work keep going Alex theres so much more.

I already know about courgettes and aubergines, just so you know. I do love Come Dine With Me :D

There should be a CDWM sub-forum around here.

[billy123]

I already know about courgettes and aubergines, just so you know. I do love Come Dine With Me :D

There should be a CDWM sub-forum around here.Oh ffs can you picture it You,Arista,Livia and myself all sat at my house eating Beans on toast followed by rice pudding with a blob of jam all arguing like fook :joker: sounds like hell!

[arista]

He is live Now outside

[Munchkins]

His Statement is on right now..

[billy123]

Julian begins his speach by thanking those that were present and bore witness to the police forcing entry to the embassy building by forcing open a fire exit and entering parts of the building in such a threatening manner.

[billy123]

Bradley Manning has being held in solitary confinement in a high security prison for 815 days without charge that is considered kidnap anywhere else in the world.
Utter disgrace.

[arista]

Of Course
America will Ignore what he said

[lostalex]

Bradley Manning has being held in solitary confinement in a high security prison for 815 days without charge that is considered kidnap anywhere else in the world.
Utter disgrace.

Bradley Manning joined the military and volunteered to undergo those conditions. He knew exactly the consequences of his actions. Frankly Bradley Manning should have been put in military prison the minnute he punched a female officer. Bradley Manning is man that beats women. He knew exactly what he was getting into when he joined, and CHOOSE to betray not only his brothers/sisters in arms, but his country.

PLease don't compare Julian Assange to Bradley Manning. Julian Assange is just an annoying little attention ***** that may or may not have lied about using a condom. Bradley Manning is a cowardly little traitor that hits women.

[arista]

No he Spoke about Bradley
just now Live

Was not shown on FoxNewsHD USA

[billy123]

Of Course
America will Ignore what he saidDirty disgusting behaviour they may have a lot of their own fooled but not the world.

KARMA will bite them back at some point and i hope it bites hard.

[lostalex]

Of Course
America will Ignore what he said

Why should America give a flying crap what that idiot has to say? Do you care what every internet troll has to say? i don't. Assange is just a glorified internet TROLL.

The fact that he's employed by RUSSIA TODAY should tell you everything you need to know. Have you ever been to the RUssia Today website??

IF you wanna talk about propaganda, that's a good place to start.

[arista]

Why should America give a flying crap what that idiot has to say? Do you care what every internet troll has to say? i don't. Assange is just a glorified internet TROLL.

The fact that he's employed by RUSSIA TODAY should tell you everything you need to know. Have you ever been to the RUssia Today website??

IF you wanna talk about propaganda, that's a good place to start.



Because that was Worldwide TV Breaking News
and he Stated The USA President.


If Barack ignores him
even more nations will view America as Evil

[Munchkins]

Bradley Manning has being held in solitary confinement in a high security prison for 815 days without charge that is considered kidnap anywhere else in the world.
Utter disgrace.

Yup you are only allowed 120 days without trial, and hes had 815
disgusting

[lostalex]

Because that was Worldwide TV Breaking News
and he Stated The USA President.


If Barack ignores him
even more nations will view America as Evil

omg, other nations will hate America??? what ever will we dooo???

LOL

are you joking? the only reason America has survived so long is because we don't give **** what other countries think of us. Look at other countries, why would we want to be like them or care what they think? we are the most successful country in the history of the world, obviously we are doing just FINE on our own!! lol

America listening to what other countries think would be like Christina Aguilera taking weight loss advice from Vanessa Feltz.

[billy123]

omg, other nations will hate America??? what ever will we dooo???

LOL

are you joking? the only reason America has survived so long is because we don't give **** what other countries think of us. Look at other countries, why would we want to be like them or care what they think? we are the most successful country in the history of the world, obviously we are doing just FINE on our own!! lolThat attitude is coming home to roost buddy ENJOY.

[lostalex]

That attitude is coming home to roost buddy ENJOY.

yea, people like you have been saying that for 10 years now... still waiting! LOL

[Munchkins]

What's so good about not giving a **** about other countries?

[billy123]

yea, people like you have been saying that for 10 years now... still waiting! LOLWhy who are people like me?

[billy123]

What's so good about not giving a **** about other countries?Its all anger if he didnt envy us he wouldnt be here.

[lostalex]

What's so good about not giving a **** about other countries?

Well why would you take advice from someone who is inferior? Would a doctor take medical advice from a nurse?

[lostalex]

Its all anger if he didnt envy us he wouldnt be here.

ahh yes, i envy you because i comment on a reality show forum. LOL

[lostalex]

This is all very amusing, but can we please stick to the topic of this thread? If you have more abuse about America, feel free to PM it to me.

[arista]

omg, other nations will hate America??? what ever will we dooo??? LOL are you joking? the only reason America has survived so long is because we don't give **** what other countries think of us. Look at other countries, why would we want to be like them or care what they think? we are the most successful country in the history of the world, obviously we are doing just FINE on our own!! lol America listening to what other countries think would be like Christina Aguilera taking weight loss advice from Vanessa Feltz.


No 9/11 told the World that America
can not stop Terror in their own nation.


And 9/11 was the World Worst attack

[lostalex]

No 9/11 told the World that America
can not stop Terror in their own nation.


And 9/11 was the World Worst attack

and those responsible and those who assisted and harbored them have gotten their dues.

North America, compared to the other continents, has suffered very little in the grand perspective. Europe, Asia, South America, and Africa certainly have nothing to teach North America about war or security and they certainly have no right to lecture us about PEACE.

Australia is the only continent that has any right to talk to America about peace,. but Australia has been by America's side in every war since WW2, so they obviously agree with us.

And Mr. Assange's homeland doesn't seem to have any interest in his agenda.

[billy123]

The flag waving "we dunt curr bout ne1 goo amurrrca" attitude just confirms everything anybody needed to know!
At this time i am ashamed of the behaviour of my own country for the first time in my life.
What i think of the US behaviour is just unrepeatable on this forum.

[lostalex]

The flag waving "we dunt curr bout ne1 goo amurrrca" attitude just confirms everything anybody needed to know at this time i am ashamed of the behaviour of my own country for the first time in my life what i think of the US is just unrepeatable on this forum.

It's only unrepeatable because you are being overly emotional.

If you were thinking clearly you could explain your thoughts in a way that would not break forum rules.

[billy123]

It's only unrepeatable because you are being overly emotional.

If you were thinking clearly you could explain your thoughts in a way that would not break forum rules.Im not overly emotional about anything Alex.
Some things are best unsaid. ;)

[lostalex]

I'd just like to say that for the record, i think that the US should say once and for all whether or not they plan on charging Assange with anything. Just so we can end this guessing game. If the US wants to charge him, then they should request extradition now, if they do not, then they should say so publicly so that Assange can stop using it as an excuse to avoid his troubles in Sweden.

If it were up to me, i'd say, we have Manning, that's the guy that committed the real crime, the US should openly say that we don't want Assange.

That's how i feel about it.

[arista]

I'd just like to say that for the record, i think that the US should say once and for all whether or not they plan on charging Assange with anything. Just so we can end this guessing game. If the US wants to charge him, then they should request extradition now, if they do not, then they should say so publicly so that Assange can stop using it as an excuse to avoid his troubles in Sweden. If it were up to me, i'd say, we have Manning, that's the guy that committed the real crime, the US should openly say that we don't want Assange. That's how i feel about it.


No they (CIA)are going to kill him.

[lostalex]

No they (CIA)are going to kill him.

:joker: yu have a twisted sense of humor Arista, i like it

[the truth]

Assange is pathetic. HE is trying to use Wikileaks as an excuse to get out of his rape charges.

The women that he has allegedly raped have a right to their day in court. For someone who is supposedly so interested in the idea of justice and freedom it's amazing that he doesn't think these women have a right to justice.

The people protecting him are pathetic groupies that think he is some sort of God. They think he's incapable of any wrong doing and use pathetic conspiracy theories to justify their support.

Honestly youre statement is 100% wrong, its probably the stupidest post Ive ever read in my life. wikileaks has been running for 6 years and his work started years before that. the allegations were thrown out of court 2 years ago. the americans want him simply because hes exposing their foreign policy. these governments have big brother powers to watch us and know cirtually everything about us and can stitch up any individual worldwide whenever then like. assange simply turned the mirror on the powers that be

[lostalex]

Honestly youre statement is 100% wrong, its probably the stupidest post Ive ever read in my life. wikileaks has been running for 6 years and his work started years before that. the allegations were thrown out of court 2 years ago. the americans want him simply because hes exposing their foreign policy
The Americans arn't the one's trying to extradite him, jesus, we've been through this... read the whole thread before you respond to posts please.

[the truth]

The Americans arn't the one's trying to extradite him, jesus, we've been through this... read the whole thread before you respond to posts please.

God is that all you have to say? the americans are behind the pressure to get him, fact. they want to destroy him and anyone who questions their quest for imperlial domination at the point of a loaded gun.

[the truth]

and those responsible and those who assisted and harbored them have gotten their dues.

North America, compared to the other continents, has suffered very little in the grand perspective. Europe, Asia, South America, and Africa certainly have nothing to teach North America about war or security and they certainly have no right to lecture us about PEACE.

Australia is the only continent that has any right to talk to America about peace,. but Australia has been by America's side in every war since WW2, so they obviously agree with us.

And Mr. Assange's homeland doesn't seem to have any interest in his agenda.

no they havent? the people who carried it out were not iraqis or afghans?
bush left a load of the bin ladens fly out of the country the same week.
youre just sputing utter lies

[lostalex]

God is that all you have to say? the americans are behind the pressure to get him, fact. they want to destroy him and anyone who questions their quest for imperlial domination at the point of a loaded gun.

:joker: You've been watching too much RT dude.

[lostalex]

no they havent? the people who carried it out were not iraqis or afghans?
bush left a load of the bin ladens fly out of the country the same week.
youre just sputing utter lies

lemmie guess, and 9/11 was an inside job?? LOL

What a surprise, someone with the name "the truth" is a conspiracy theorist, who woulda thunk it?

Alright dude, well obviously your vast amount of wisdom (accumulated mostly through youtube video's i'm guessing) is too much for me to handle, i can';t compete with such a well informed and well educated person like you, so i'll just give up now. LOL

[the truth]

:joker: You've been watching too much RT dude.

I watch everything even fox news, unlike you I look at both sides of situations and dont wish to see innocent people butchered, simply to support some sick one eyed false sense of patriotism.

over a million killed in iraq over a pack of lies by our prime minister and your leader too....did you read the dodgy dossier and all the lies we created from it? did you know that dossier was used as the reason to kill a million people, written by some unheard of american undergraduate year spreviously, it was then sexed up by alastair campbell , yet the man who wrote this updated pack pf lies, paul hamill, is now employed by obamas government in lobbying and military...forget false patriotism, we brits and the americans are up to our eyeballs in this filthy corruption....the sooner we accept how duplicitous and war mongering our leaders are, the sooner we can repent and look to rectify the horrors we have inflicted

[arista]

Yes well said
the truth.

[lostalex]

I watch everything even fox news, unlike you I look at both sides of situations and dont wish to see innocent people butchered, simply to support some sick one eyed false sense of patriotism.




Unlike me??? Yea, you totally figured me out, I'm sooo into innocent people being butchered, man i love death!! WTF are you talking about. How dare you. Think before you speak please, that's INCREDIBLY offensive. You talk nothing but ****.

[Kizzy]

Unlike me??? Yea, you totally figured me out, I'm sooo into innocent people being butchered, man i love death!! WTF are you talking about. How dare you. Think before you speak please, that's INCREDIBLY offensive. You talk nothing but ****.

Alex don't take it personally, just read what they wrote.....

[the truth]

Unlike me??? Yea, you totally figured me out, I'm sooo into innocent people being butchered, man i love death!! WTF are you talking about. How dare you. Think before you speak please, that's INCREDIBLY offensive. You talk nothing but ****.

dont fake offence its so embarassing and shallow. youve had ample opportunity to try and look at both sides and shw empathy and understanding for the people at the receiving end of british and american imperialism. youve shown zero compassion, caring empathy or understanding. I simply dont care about your ego, nor my ego. I care about the millions suffering at the hands of imperiaism. clearly you think your ego is more important than the suffering of millions. thats sad sick and scary.:nono:

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/08/19/article-2190550-149C9064000005DC-589_634x396.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/08/19/article-2190550-149CAFEB000005DC-574_634x421.jpg


He gave a Good Speech today

[MTVN]

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"The United States must pledge before the world that it will not prosecute journalists for shining a light on the secret crimes of the powerful."

:worship:

[the truth]

xod1PqLvaE4

"The United States must pledge before the world that it will not prosecute journalists for shining a light on the secret crimes of the powerful."

:worship:

amen:dance::wavey::joker::elephant:

[the truth]

‘Assange case part of long history of whistleblower-smearing’Political activist Craig Murray, a former UK ambassador whose writings implicated the CIA and MI6 in using evidence obtained through torture, claimed the allegations of sexual assault against Assange are the latest incident in a history of dubious charges leveled against whistleblowers.
“Unfortunately, there’s a long history of whistleblowers being smeared and charged with crimes unrelated to their whistleblowing, because, obviously, it’s quite difficult for states to convict people for telling the truth about state misdemeanors,” he told RT. “So what you do is you frame them with other charges, very often sexual charges because that destroys the person’s reputation.”
Murray pointed to the charges he faced for allegedly extorting sexual favors in exchange for visas during his tenure as ambassador to Uzbekistan, shortly after he blew the whistle on US- and UK-led torture programs.
“And I am by no means the only one. Janis Karpinsky, who blew the whistle on Donald Rumsfeld’s sanctioning of torture at Abu Ghraib, was charged with shoplifting, for example. There are many such examples,” he said.
Murray also argued that British Foreign Secretary William Hague embarrassed himself by ordering the sending of a letter that threatened to revoke the Ecuadorian embassy's diplomatic immunity, simply so that UK authorities could arrest Assange.
“He once gave an interview in which he said that as a student, he used to drink 14 pints of beer a day,” Murray said. “I think he must have drunk 28 pints before coming up with the threat to storm the Ecuadorian embassy.”

[billy123]

Anonymous begin attacks on swedish goverment websites.
Good on them.

We are Anonymous
We are Legion
We do not forgive
We do not forget
Expect Us

Here is one that has been compromised http://primavi.se/

Protests also gaining momentum in new york outside the british consulate.
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/257314.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

To anyone getting prissy about it not being on the bbc website dilligaf.

[billy123]

Julian will never walk alone.

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[the truth]

some quotes from yesterday...

"The United States must pledge before the world will not pursue journalists for shining light on the secret crimes of the powerful. The US administration’s war against whistleblowers must end," he said.




He also spoke on Bradley Manning, the Army Private who was slapped with 22 criminal charges for his alleged role in leaking intelligence documents to WikiLeaks, which were then made publicly available on the Internet. Manning has been imprisoned for more than 800 days in pre-trial detention, and has yet to be brought before a military tribunal.
"On Wednesday, Bradley spent his 815th day of detention without trial. The legal maximum is 120 days," Assange said. "If Bradley Manning did as he is accused, he is a hero and invaluable to all of us. Bradley Manning must be released."


In his remarks, Assange mentioned jailed Bahraini human rights activists Nabeel Rajab, who had recently been sentenced to six months in prison for tweeting comments critical of the Bahraini Prime Minister, calling for him to step down. On August 16, a Bahraini court ruled to extend his sentence by another three years, for “involvement in illegal practices and inciting gatherings and calling for unauthorized marches through social networking sites,” and for his “participation in an illegal assembly” and “participation in an illegal gathering and calling for a march without prior notification.”



Assange case part of long history of whistleblower-smearing’
Political activist Craig Murray, a former UK ambassador whose writings implicated the CIA and MI6 in using evidence obtained through torture, claimed the allegations of sexual assault against Assange are the latest incident in a history of dubious charges leveled against whistleblowers.

“Unfortunately, there’s a long history of whistleblowers being smeared and charged with crimes unrelated to their whistleblowing, because, obviously, it’s quite difficult for states to convict people for telling the truth about state misdemeanors,” he told RT. “So what you do is you frame them with other charges, very often sexual charges because that destroys the person’s reputation.”

Murray pointed to the charges he faced for allegedly extorting sexual favors in exchange for visas during his tenure as ambassador to Uzbekistan, shortly after he blew the whistle on US- and UK-led torture programs.

“And I am by no means the only one. Janis Karpinsky, who blew the whistle on Donald Rumsfeld’s sanctioning of torture at Abu Ghraib, was charged with shoplifting, for example. There are many such examples,” he said.

Murray also argued that British Foreign Secretary William Hague embarrassed himself by ordering the sending of a letter that threatened to revoke the Ecuadorian embassy's diplomatic immunity, simParc y Scarletso that UK authorities could arrest Assange.

“He once gave an interview in which he said that as a student, he used to drink 14 pints of beer a day,” Murray said. “I think he must have drunk 28 pints before coming up with the threat to storm the Ecuadorian embassy.”

[lostalex]

‘Assange case part of long history of whistleblower-smearing’Political activist Craig Murray, a former UK ambassador whose writings implicated the CIA and MI6 in using evidence obtained through torture, claimed the allegations of sexual assault against Assange are the latest incident in a history of dubious charges leveled against whistleblowers.
“Unfortunately, there’s a long history of whistleblowers being smeared and charged with crimes unrelated to their whistleblowing, because, obviously, it’s quite difficult for states to convict people for telling the truth about state misdemeanors,” he told RT. “So what you do is you frame them with other charges, very often sexual charges because that destroys the person’s reputation.”
Murray pointed to the charges he faced for allegedly extorting sexual favors in exchange for visas during his tenure as ambassador to Uzbekistan, shortly after he blew the whistle on US- and UK-led torture programs.
“And I am by no means the only one. Janis Karpinsky, who blew the whistle on Donald Rumsfeld’s sanctioning of torture at Abu Ghraib, was charged with shoplifting, for example. There are many such examples,” he said.
Murray also argued that British Foreign Secretary William Hague embarrassed himself by ordering the sending of a letter that threatened to revoke the Ecuadorian embassy's diplomatic immunity, simply so that UK authorities could arrest Assange.
“He once gave an interview in which he said that as a student, he used to drink 14 pints of beer a day,” Murray said. “I think he must have drunk 28 pints before coming up with the threat to storm the Ecuadorian embassy.”

tells you everything you need to know. The guys was exploiting women in his position, basically running a Visas for Blow Jobs con. The guy is protecting his own ass, and just like Assange is trying to get out of his own wrongdoings by claiming theres a conspiracy against him!

[the truth]

rubbish. theyve been after assange for 6 years, when they realised he was getting more powerful and more support they then threw this accusation at him. theres been no charges made, no arrest and no new evidence. hes offered to be interviewed by swedish authorities at the embassy in london, yet the swedes have refused? if the swedes are so concerned why have they taken up the offer , why havent they produced new evidence?

[arista]

"Assange is trying to get out of his own wrongdoings by claiming theres a conspiracy against him! "



Yes that is a Valid Point.



Anyway he can stay safe forever
as he is a VIP that can help win elections.



Looking at the Bigger Picture

[the truth]

"Assange is trying to get out of his own wrongdoings by claiming theres a conspiracy against him! "



Yes that is a Valid Point.



Anyway he can stay safe forever
as he is a VIP that can help win elections.



Looking at the Bigger Picture

its not valid at all

there been a witch hunt after him for 5 years prior to this allegation, simply because hes exposed the mass corruption across the political world. the man should be given a nobel peace prize for risking life and limb to allow the world access to information they should know

IF the swedes actually have a case against him, let them interview him in the embassy as he has offered. the case was dropped 2 years ago, there was insufficient evidence. if they want to interview him, then get on the plane and go interview him. if they have enough evidence to charge him, then we will see if he gets to court. the bottom line is youre innocent until proven guilty. trial my media always fail

funny how the british government made exceptions for general pinochet and the european courts made exceptions for roman polansky. the powers that be can bend the laws depending on what suits their self interests. take strauss khan head of the IMF, the biggest economic job in the world., sacked over allegations. yet found innocent. still doesnt get his job back. now we have a woman , radical feminist running the IMF, who has no economic background at all? and we wonder why the world isnt coming out of recession? crazy

dont get me wrong, if the swedes interview him and find enough holes in his defence and find enough evidence to charge him, I want him in a court of law facing the charges

as for rape. there are various degress of rape, just as there are various degrees of any and all crime. that is why we have different sentences, different judgements, different punishments, thats why we have different degrees of murder, manslaughter, comon assault and battery and so on. rape also has different degrees of crime and punishment. theres nothing wrong with stating that fact without the ever more hysterical news getting their knickers in a twist.


as for the americans well they have no right to try and extradict assange for their own ends as theyve done in the past. Assange has been clever enough to get the entire world watching what happens and this may perhaps at least shame the americans into not taking the law into their own hands.

[arista]

"there been a witch hunt after him for 5 years prior to this allegation, simply because hes exposed the mass corruption across the political world"

Yes thats all Valid as well.


He is a VIP with High Power
ideal for that small nation.

[billy123]

Swedish official admits no idea how the deadlock can be resolved or why the prosecutor wont interview Assange outside sweden in interview (he stopped in sweden and remained and answered all questions until the charges were dropped once already) http://audioboo.fm/boos/928311-swedish-prosecution-authority-on-julian-assange-case-the-world-at-one-bbc-radio-4

[Omah]

Swedish official admits no idea how the deadlock can be resoved or why the prosecutor wont interview Assange outside sweden in interview (he stopped in sweden and remained and answered all questions until the charges were dropped once already) http://audioboo.fm/boos/928311-swedish-prosecution-authority-on-julian-assange-case-the-world-at-one-bbc-radio-4

You're linking to a BBC source ?

What the bbc say and what you can see happening with your own eyes are quite different.

Im suprised you rely the bbc for info omah :nono: :pat:



oooo it wasnt on the bbc so it didnt happen?

BAA BAAAA BAAA

You stick to your spoon state sponsored fed media shtick theres a good citizen.

There are multiple news sources reporting the same thing just because the bbc isnt one of them is not suprising they are pretty crap.

:puzzled:

[billy123]

You're linking to a BBC source ?







:puzzled:Awww bless so cute. I use a range of sources honey just because a certain source doesnt have a report im interested in at a certain time doesnt make me small minded enough to never use them again only an erm silly person would do that just as a silly person would only rely on one source ;)

Its common sense to use all the outlets available whereas it is just silly to rely on one outlet ;) lmfao x3

[Omah]

Awww bless so cute. I use a range of sources honey just because a certain source doesnt have a report im interested in at a certain time doesnt make me small minded enough to never use them again only an erm silly person would do that just as a silly person would only rely on one source ;)

Its common sense to use all the outlets available whereas it is just silly to rely on one outlet ;) lmfao x3

:rolleyes:

[billy123]

:rolleyes:Nice reply it really challenged me

http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/vv116/yazminowsky/borat-not-jb.jpg

Bye bye again omah.

[Omah]

With key Greek city-states in submission, Philip II of Macedon turned his attention to Sparta and sent a message: "You are advised to submit without further delay, for if I bring my army into your land, I will destroy your farms, slay your people, and raze your city." The Spartan ephors sent back a one word reply: "If"

:idc:

[billy123]

With key Greek city-states in submission, Philip II of Macedon turned his attention to Sparta and sent a message: "You are advised to submit without further delay, for if I bring my army into your land, I will destroy your farms, slay your people, and raze your city." The Spartan ephors sent back a one word reply: "If"

:idc:Im sorry i dont buy from doorstep salesman next door might though try them.

[Novo]

Get a grip the both of you :idc:

[Omah]

Get a grip the both of you :idc:

Which means ?

:conf:

[billy123]

Little willy hague has not been in contact since his illegal threats last week

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/aug/23/julian-assange-ecuador-embassy?newsfeed=true

Ecuadorean officials have said that Britain should renounce its "threat" to storm the country's London embassy, and that WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange could remain inside the building for as long as he wanted – "two centuries" if necessary.

The officials said there had been no contact with the Foreign Office since last Thursday, when Ecuador's president Rafael Correa announced he was granting Assange asylum. Ecuador was keen to resume negotiations with the UK, the officials said, but added that William Hague should now take back a threat to enter the embassy as "an indication of good faith".

Ecuadorean diplomatic sources also insisted there had been no secret deal to grant Assange asylum. They said Assange simply turned up at the front door two months ago at midday and rang the bell. The Ecuadorean ambassador, Ana Alban, was forced to dash home to fetch a blow-up mattress for Assange to sleep on. Since he took up residence, the embassy had got a bigger fridge, the sources said.

The UK last week gave a written warning to Quito saying that it could invoke the Diplomatic and Consular Premises Act 1987 to arrest Assange inside the Knightsbridge embassy. This prompted a furious response from Quito. Hague later clarified that the FCO was not threatening to "storm an embassy". On Thursday, however, an Ecuadorean diplomatic source said: "The threat hasn't been withdrawn." The source suggested that the police presence around the building was excessive, with the embassy under siege at one point last week and still surrounded by dozens of policemen now. "It was amazing. There used to be four or six policemen since Mr Assange got here. Suddenly there were three trucks of police surrounding us. There were police on the interior stairs. There was even one in the window of the toilet. It was clearly a message."

Ecuadorean officials said they still believed a compromise over the Assange case was possible. They said Sweden and the UK should give political assurances that the WikiLeaks founder, who faces allegations of sexual misconduct in Sweden, would not be re-extradited from there to the US. Failing that, they said Britain should grant him safe passage so he could fly to Ecuador.

There seems little prospect that the UK will agree to this. The Foreign Office says it is legally obliged to extradite Assange to Sweden. Both sides now appear to be settling in for the long haul.

Asked how long Assange might remain at the embassy, an Ecuadorean official said: "However long it takes. Eight years. Two centuries." The official said it was ridiculous to suggest diplomats would try to smuggle him out.

On Thursday the FCO said in a statement: "We have made clear we are committed to a diplomatic solution.

"We will be sending a formal communication today to the Ecuadorean embassy. We will not go into the detail of private discussions."

On Wednesday the news agency Reuters, citing US government sources, said Washington had issued no criminal charges against Assange. His supporters claim the US is plotting to extradite and to execute him. Obama administration officials remain divided over the wisdom of prosecuting Assange, Reuters said, and the likelihood of US criminal charges against him is probably receding rather than growing.

On Friday foreign ministers from across Latin America will meet in Washington to discuss the Assange case. A draft resolution from the Organisation of American States calls on the UK to comply with the 1961 Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations and to respect the "inviolability" of the Ecuadorean embassy. The Foreign Office has been lobbying South American states to abstain. On Thursday, however, one Ecuadorean official predicted the FCO's efforts were doomed, adding: "Most Latin American countries are working as one [on this]."

On Sunday Assange made his first public appearance since walking into the embassy in June, addressing crowds of journalists and supporters from a first-floor balcony window, with Metropolitan police officers a few feet below him on the pavement. He called on President Obama to abandon his alleged "witch-hunt" against WikiLeaks. Assange also thanked several other Latin American countries for their support – implicitly warning Britain that any dispute with Ecuador could rapidly snowball into a conflict with the entire region. He said nothing about allegations by two Swedish women that he sexually assaulted them.

TodayOn Thursday Ecuadorean officials denied that it had been a provocative move to allow Assange to use embassy property to berate the United States. "It was the balcony or a window," one said. "He had to deliver a message. A lot of people were wanting to know what he looked like. They wanted an image. It had political value."

The officials also shrugged off criticism of Ecuador's record on press freedom, which has come under increasing scrutiny since Assange sought asylum. "Walk around the streets of Quito, hear the radio and watch TV, and see what some journalists say about the government. There is a lot of freedom," one source said.

Scotland Yard has declined to comment on the policing operation at the embassy, while the FCO has said the letter sent to Ecuadorean authorities on Wednesday of last week was not menacing and that the rights of the country's officials would continue to be respected by the government.

mflx

[Omah]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19433294

In a interview broadcast in Ecuador, Mr Assange said the Swedish authorities dropping the case against him is "the most likely scenario".

During the Telesur television interview, recorded earlier this week inside the embassy, Mr Assange said that he believes the situation "will be solved through diplomacy".

He added: "The Swedish government could drop the case. I think this is the most likely scenario. Maybe after a thorough investigation of what happened they could drop the case.

"I think this will be solved in between six and 12 months. That's what I estimate."

We shall see ..... :idc:

[Omah]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11049316

Sweden has cancelled an arrest warrant for Wikileaks founder Julian Assange on accusations of rape and molestation.

The Swedish Prosecution Authority website said the chief prosecutor had come to the decision that Mr Assange was not suspected of rape but did not give any further explanation.

The warrant was issued late on Friday.

The current whereabouts of Mr Assange, a 39-year-old Australian, are unclear.

Media reports say Mr Assange was in Sweden last week to talk about his work and defend the decision by Wikileaks to publish the Afghan war logs.

Last month, Wikileaks published more than 75,000 secret US military documents on the war in Afghanistan.

US authorities criticised the leak, saying it could put the lives of coalition soldiers and Afghans, especially informers, at risk.

Mr Assange has said that Wikileaks is intending to release a further 15,000 documents in the coming weeks.

"Is it safe?"

:suspect:

[King Gizzard]

Some sort of blackmail involved then..

[MTVN]

Hang on that article's from over 2 years ago, August 2010, they reopened the case against him not long after that

[arista]

Hang on that article's from over 2 years ago, August 2010, they reopened the case against him not long after that


Yes
its not safe.

Omah needs to put dates up next to his Dusty Old
Bloated BBC links

[Omah]

Oops ..... :blush:

The story was under "Most Popular" and I didn't check the date ..... My apologies ..... :sad:

[Omah]

Is this the photo that could clear Assange? Grinning for the camera, WikiLeaks boss and 'Woman A' who says he sexually assaulted her 48 hours earlier



PUBLISHED:22:57, 25 August 2012| UPDATED:08:39, 7 September 2012

It seems an unremarkable image: a group of friends smiling broadly. But this is the photograph Julian Assange hopes will clear his name.

The face of the woman on the left has been obscured for legal reasons.

For although she is seen beaming, she would later tell police that 48 hours before the picture was taken, the WikiLeaks founder pinned her down in her flat and sexually assaulted her.

Smiles all around (http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/09/07/article-2193641-14E2130F000005DC-448_634x412.jpg): Woman A, left, at a dinner with Julian Assange, centre, host Richard Falkvinge and Anna Troberg

If the case ever reaches court – Mr Assange is currently holed up in the Ecuadorian Embassy in London – his lawyers will argue that the photograph undermines the 33-year-old woman’s entire story. And, they claim, there is more.

In the two days after the alleged assault in Sweden, Mr Assange and Woman A, as she is known, attended a conference and two dinner parties where it is claimed they were practically inseparable.

During one party, Woman A tweeted that she was ‘with the world’s coolest, smartest people!’.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2193641/Julian-Assange-rape-claim-Is-photo-clear-him.html#ixzz25ljriyTe

[Omah]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-19868355

Nine people who put up bail sureties for Wikileaks founder Julian Assange have been ordered by a judge to pay thousands of pounds each.

Westminster Chief Magistrate Howard Riddle said they must pay a total of £93,500 by 6 November.

Mr Assange's supporters offered the sureties before he took refuge in the Ecuadorian embassy in London to avoid extradition to Sweden.

What the nine have to pay

Tricia David £10,000
Caroline Evans £15,000
Joseph Farrell £3,500
Sarah Harrison £3,500
Phillip Knightley £15,000
Sarah Saunders £12,000
Vaughan Smith £12,000
John Sulston £15,000
Tracy Worcester £7,500

The judge said he accepted they had all acted in good faith.

"Them's the breaks" ..... :evilgrin:

[billy123]

Documents uncovered via the freedom of information act reveal that the a pentagon investigation accuses the british of "communicating with the enemy*"
*Assange.

An investigative arm of the Pentagon has termed Wikileaks founder and editor-in-chief Julian Assange, currently holed up and claiming asylum in the Ecuadoran Embassy in London for fear he will be deported to Sweden and thence to the US, and his organization, both “enemies” of the United States.
The Age newspaper in Melbourne Australia is reporting that documents obtained through the US Freedom of Information Act from the Pentagon disclose that an investigation by the Air Force Office of Special Investigations, a counter-intelligence unit, of a military cyber systems analyst based in Britain who had reportedly expressed support for Wikileaks and had attended a demonstration in support of Assange, refers to the analyst as having been “communicating with the enemy, D-104.” The D-104 classification refers to an article of the US Uniform Military Code of Military Justice which prohibits military personnel from “communicating, corresponding or holding intercourse with the enemy.”
This is pretty dangerous language, referring to an Australian citizen who many consider to be no more than a working journalist who has been receiving information leaked by whistleblowers and disseminating that information to the public. As David Cole, a civil liberties attorney in the US associated with the Center for Constitutional Rights, notes, “The US military is not at war with Wikileaks or with Julian Assange.”
Certainly if a member of the US military were to go to a news organization like the New York Times -- or the Melbourne Age for that matter -- and leak some kind of damaging secret information exposing US military war crimes, it is hard to believe that the military would call that “communicating with the enemy” (though reportedly the Bush/Cheney administration considered, but then dropped the idea of bringing espionage charges against Times reporter James Risen for publishing in his book secret information about the government’s bungled effort to pass faulty A-bomb fuse technology to the Iranians). In any case, a military leaker could easily be charged under the military code with offenses like revealing national security secrets or some other serious charge, which would not involve charging any media organization that received the information.
The decision by the Pentagon to instead use the D-104 code to classify Assange as an “enemy” in this context is dangerous because since 9-11-2001, the US government, with the general consent of the courts, has been treating “enemies” of the state in some very frightening extra-judicial ways. Enemies of the US these days can be summarily arrested and carted away to black-site prisons or to a place like Guantanamo without even a requirement that any notice be given to friends or relatives. They can be locked up indefinitely and denied access to a lawyer. They can even be subjected to what is euphemistically called “enhanced interrogation,” which most people, and which international law, call torture, as was done to Private Bradley Manning, charged with providing hundreds of thousands of pages of secret documents to Wikileaks.

http://www.thetorontopost.net/2012/10/assange-labeled-enemy-of-us-in-secret.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+thetorontopost%2FYadG+%28The+ Toronto+Post%29

[Alf]

Big day in the Julian Assange story today.


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