Harvey's Voice

[Jords]

Irritates me to **** and doesnt help that I cant stand him :joker:

[Josy]

I'm really liking Harvey, says what he thinks with no tip-toeing round about it.

Can't say his voice annoys me at all either.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

I'm really liking Harvey, says what he thinks with no tip-toeing round about it.

Can't say his voice annoys me at all either.

he waited until jasmine had left the room before saying what he thought about her danica outburst :idc:

[Josy]

he waited until jasmine had left the room before saying what he thought about her danica outburst :idc:

Then he told her outside exactly what he thought :idc:

[Novo]

he waited until jasmine had left the room before saying what he thought about her danica outburst :idc:

told her directly what he thought about it though soon after :idc:

[Novo]

Josy i've got this, stay back please :idc:

[Josy]

:laugh:

[Jords]

After is the key word, when Jasmine had calmed down :idc:

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

Josy i've got this, stay back please :idc:

:joker::joker::joker::joker::joker:

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

After is the key word, when Jasmine had calmed down :idc:

:worship:

[Jamie585]

why are you all drinking tea/coffee then?? ;)

[Robertocarlo]

Irritates me to **** and doesnt help that I cant stand him :joker:

I totally agree with you. I cannot stand it when people start speaking in that fake "Jamaican" accent when they've never been near the place. Like me speaking with a German or French accent when I'm English. The grammar is poor and coupled with those stupid hand movements it just turns me off. You can add Ashley in there as well. He's a nice lad but that stupid false accent does my head in. :conf:

By the way, hate hip hop and rap as well so don't want to hear any more of that crap. :sleep:

Thanks.

[Saigon1]

I like him, every time I see him he is laughing and having fun. Not going all phsycokillercrazybitch.

[Saigon1]

I totally agree with you. I cannot stand it when people start speaking in that fake "Jamaican" accent when they've never been near the place. Like me speaking with a German or French accent when I'm English. The grammar is poor and coupled with those stupid hand movements it just turns me off. You can add Ashley in there as well. He's a nice lad but that stupid false accent does my head in. :conf:

By the way, hate hip hop and rap as well so don't want to hear any more of that crap. :sleep:

Thanks.

Considering a lot of black people from Londons parents and family and friends family's etc are from that part of the world. Obviously they are going to pick up on an accent.

You go and grow up around people of a certain nationality, associate with people of the same nationality, be surrounded by these people most days, see if you don't pick anything up....

[rayheartbliss]

all im saying is that i dont think he is genuine at all.

[GiRTh]

I totally agree with you. I cannot stand it when people start speaking in that fake "Jamaican" accent when they've never been near the place. Like me speaking with a German or French accent when I'm English. The grammar is poor and coupled with those stupid hand movements it just turns me off. You can add Ashley in there as well. He's a nice lad but that stupid false accent does my head in. :conf:

By the way, hate hip hop and rap as well so don't want to hear any more of that crap. :sleep:

Thanks.He talks 'Jamaican' cuz his ancestry is. Are you saying this for all non English? So I suppose you hate it when people of Irish decent use Irish words of when people of Scottish decent use Scottish words eh?

[rayheartbliss]

Considering a lot of black people from Londons parents and family and friends family's etc are from that part of the world. Obviously they are going to pick up on an accent.

You go and grow up around people of a certain nationality, associate with people of the same nationality, be surrounded by these people most days, see if you don't pick anything up....

yeah that is true, it's also like if say someone is originally from nigeria or something and as a teenager moved to england and learned their ways and language, then obviously the accent would be picked up naturally.


but theres a difference when its completely put on in effort to build their character, which makes the whole thing so false.

innit. :blush:

[chuff me dizzy]

Me too, why does he have to talk the"gangsta" talk ? like you say added to that i cannot bear him :devil::devil::devil:

[chuff me dizzy]

Considering a lot of black people from Londons parents and family and friends family's etc are from that part of the world. Obviously they are going to pick up on an accent.

You go and grow up around people of a certain nationality, associate with people of the same nationality, be surrounded by these people most days, see if you don't pick anything up....

But the parents dont even talk like this,

[Brother Leon]

Me too, why does he have to talk the"gangsta" talk ? like you say added to that i cannot bear him :devil::devil::devil:

Maybe due to where he was bought up, his surroundings etc?

[MeMyselfAndI]

I liked him until 2 days ago, he was such a chicken during the outburst I was really expecting him to stop Jasmine or do something. A very weak person, I wish he could just speak his mind!

[chuff me dizzy]

Maybe due to where he was bought up, his surroundings etc?

No ,you hear white lads talk like it too,its not Jamaican its black American accent, and Im sure his parents/grandparents are not from there, Just like Aden last year

[MeMyselfAndI]

I'm really liking Harvey, says what he thinks with no tip-toeing round about it.

Can't say his voice annoys me at all either.

Omg really??
I think the complete opposite, I would think you'd be describing Jasmine by that tbh.. If not Julie

[Me. I Am Salman]

At least he makes a noise unlike Romeo :laugh:
But aside from his voice yeah he's starting to annoy me as well

[waterhog]

i like him to - nice guy.

[Robertocarlo]

But the parents dont even talk like this,

This is my point, often you hear white kids speaking in the same "gangsta" accent not just those from Afro-Caribbean or Asian backgrounds. The parents speak what I call "normally" yet the kids speak in this false, put on accent trying to be "cool". Why?

My father was from Clyde Bank near Glasgow. He had a strong accent all his life. I'm one of five kids and not none of us speaks with a Glaswegian accent. We were raised in Surrey so have more of a south London accent. Thus, I don't fall for the idea that the kids speak like this because that's how their parents speak. Besides, I hear almost no elderly Afro-Caribbean people speak with this stupid "gangsta" accent. It's totally put on and false.

[chuff me dizzy]

This is my point, often you hear white kids speaking in the same "gangsta" accent not just those from Afro-Caribbean or Asian backgrounds. The parents speak what I call "normally" yet the kids speak in this false, put on accent trying to be "cool". Why?

My father was from Clyde Bank near Glasgow. He had a strong accent all his life. I'm one of five kids and not none of us speaks with a Glaswegian accent. We were raised in Surrey so have more of a south London accent. Thus, I don't fall for the idea that the kids speak like this because that's how their parents speak. Besides, I hear almost no elderly Afro-Caribbean people speak with this stupid "gangsta" accent. It's totally put on and false.

Its not even Jamaican ,its American

[Robertocarlo]

Its not even Jamaican ,its American

If it's American why then do English kids try speaking with the accent? Makes no sense to me. Perhaps I should start speaking with a French accent, always loved the sound of French accents and the French are cool aren't they?

[Brother Leon]

Why is it so hard for people to understand that someone from an estate in South/North London whatever is going to talk differently than someone living in Belgravia etc. It all comes down to surroundings. Same way someone from Buckinghamshire or Windsor will probably speak with an inflated posh accent. To the people who speak "Gangster" this would be seen as put on and probably fake.

Who are we to judge how someone else speaks? *shrug*

[chuff me dizzy]

If it's American why then do English kids try speaking with the accent? Makes no sense to me. Perhaps I should start speaking with a French accent, always loved the sound of French accents and the French are cool aren't they?

We have 7 year olds near me who talk this way all "Innit," shaking fingers like twats, if this was my child it would be nipped in the bud, but sadly ,this is chav culture,I may start talking in Italian accent as this is my fav ,but dont think a mix of Italian and broad Yorkshire would blend very well

[Robertocarlo]

Why is it so hard for people to understand that someone from an estate in South/North London whatever is going to talk differently than someone living in Belgravia etc. It all comes down to surroundings. Same way someone from Buckinghamshire or Windsor will probably speak with an inflated posh accent. To the people who speak "Gangster" this would be seen as put on and probably fake.

Who are we to judge how someone else speaks? *shrug*

Probably because half the kids today speaking with this ridiculous, fake, accent were not raised on estates in London. No, many are from posh or middle class backgrounds trying to look cool? Just like that idiot Aiden in Big Brother last year. From a good background yet spoke like a gangsta WHY?!

[Gillian-73]

Why is it so hard for people to understand that someone from an estate in South/North London whatever is going to talk differently than someone living in Belgravia etc. It all comes down to surroundings. Same way someone from Buckinghamshire or Windsor will probably speak with an inflated posh accent. To the people who speak "Gangster" this would be seen as put on and probably fake.

Who are we to judge how someone else speaks? *shrug*

I live in Cheshire and i hear kids round here talking like that. Obviously put on.

[chuff me dizzy]

Probably because half the kids today speaking with this ridiculous, fake, accent were not raised on estates in London. No, many are from posh or middle class backgrounds trying to look cool? Just like that idiot Aiden in Big Brother last year. From a good background yet spoke like a gangsta WHY?!

I would never have tired of slapping Aden last year and if i were his mother I would have burnt all the stupid"gangsta "caps too

[Robertocarlo]

I would never have tired of slapping Aden last year and if i were his mother I would have burnt all the stupid"gangsta "caps too

Agree, Aden is a classic example of a basically middle class kid trying to look cool but instead coming across as a total prat. I think the schools should refuse to speak to these kids if they speak this rubbish and nip it in the bud as soon as. It's ruining the English Language.

[Gillian-73]

We have 7 year olds near me who talk this way all "Innit," shaking fingers like twats, if this was my child it would be nipped in the bud, but sadly ,this is chav culture,I may start talking in Italian accent as this is my fav ,but dont think a mix of Italian and broad Yorkshire would blend very well
BIB... I love your way with words sometimes lol

[chuff me dizzy]

BIB... I love your way with words sometimes lol

7 year old Ali G `s !!!!!!

[chuff me dizzy]

Agree, Aden is a classic example of a basically middle class kid trying to look cool but instead coming across as a total prat. I think the schools should refuse to speak to these kids if they speak this rubbish and nip it in the bud as soon as. It's ruining the English Language.

Totally agree

[Gillian-73]

7 year old Ali G `s !!!!!!

God help us all

[chuff me dizzy]

God help us all

The future is bleak ,if one of mine DARE to talk like that I wold wash their mouths out with soap !!

[Robertocarlo]

It's all this stupid emphasis of over pronouncing their "Cs" to sound like "Ks" that also does my head in. That with those stupid hand gestures, what's that all about?????

[Brother Leon]

Aden was hardly from a Middle Class,posh area. It's fully understandable why he could speak like that. Same way Harvey and Ashley do aswell. As for "gangster caps" chuff...Really? lol

[chuff me dizzy]

It's all this stupid emphasis of over pronouncing their "Cs" to sound like "Ks" that also does my head in. That with those stupid hand gestures, what's that all about?????

Dont get me started !!!!!! :devil::devil::devil: all my 4 children ,even thought they were born and raised in Yorkshire, and I speak pretty broad Yorkshire ,all talk nice, no accent, I used to pull them up from an early age if they spoke slang, or what i call lazy talk,its not hard to do, but chav parents speak like they are from the Bronx ,so what hope do the kids have?

[rayheartbliss]

its true.

fair enough if they are actually from the streets and are uneducated.

but you get the ones who have been in college even had degrees from uni and pretty much lived their childhood as middle class citizens, yet at some point out of nowhere starts talking like they lived in the ghetto. #cringe

[rayheartbliss]

its true.

fair enough if they are actually from the streets and are uneducated.

but you get the ones who have been in college even had degrees from uni and pretty much lived their childhood as middle class citizens, yet at some point out of nowhere starts talking like they lived in the ghetto. #cringe

[chuff me dizzy]

Aden was hardly from a Middle Class,posh area. It's fully understandable why he could speak like that. Same way Harvey and Ashley do aswell. As for "gangster caps" chuff...Really? lol

YES gangsta ,sparkly caps, worn at a stupid angle ,jeans 4 sizes too big half way down their legs

[Robertocarlo]

its true.

fair enough if they are actually from the streets and are uneducated.

but you get the ones who have been in college even had degrees from uni and pretty much lived their childhood as middle class citizens, yet at some point out of nowhere starts talking like they lived in the ghetto. #cringe

Agree, my point exactly.

[Brother Leon]

YES gangsta ,sparkly caps, worn at a stupid angle ,jeans 4 sizes too big half way down their legs

It's a fashion accessory.

http://distilleryimage0.instagram.com/d1f440922dd311e1abb01231381b65e3_7.jpg

Gangsta???

[cassieparis]

It's a London accent.
I have it.
Doesn't matter your ancestoral origins Londoners talk London.
As for the tone of his voice it's very manly when he isn't excited. I like.:hugesmile:

[chuff me dizzy]

It's a fashion accessory.

http://distilleryimage0.instagram.com/d1f440922dd311e1abb01231381b65e3_7.jpg

Gangsta???

Its not, its a "I look a twat" look

[chuff me dizzy]

It's a London accent.
I have it.
Doesn't matter your ancestoral origins Londoners talk London.
As for the tone of his voice it's very manly when he isn't excited. I like.:hugesmile:

Is it chuff a london accent, its chav Bronx talk,Londoners dont call people "Dude,Homey" they say cock sparrow !!

[Robertocarlo]

It's a London accent.
I have it.
Doesn't matter your ancestoral origins Londoners talk London.
As for the tone of his voice it's very manly when he isn't excited. I like.:hugesmile:

Rubbish. Proper Londoners don't speak like gangsters!? It's an imported fad, fake and idiotic.

[Saigon1]

The old age is really starting to show on some people in this thread. :joker:

[chuff me dizzy]

The old age is really starting to show on some people in this thread. :joker:

And Im bloody proud of it too

[chuff me dizzy]

If its a "London" thing ,why do kids in Yorkshire speak the same? I never heard Pete Beale call anyone "Dude" did you ?

[rayheartbliss]

i'm not old im 21

[Livia]

Harvey's voice is affected. I come from London, I know how proper Londoners speak, and that aint it. I know lots of kids who talk like that who's parents are proper Cockney, but the kids speak like little Jamaican gangsters because their friends do. I know black kids who speak like that who's parents speak with a proper east London accent, and more hilariously, I know white kids who speak like that who've never been twenty miles outside the capital.

[Gillian-73]

If its a "London" thing ,why do kids in Yorkshire speak the same? I never heard Pete Beale call anyone "Dude" did you ?

Lol my old treacle :laugh3:

[armand.kay]

I don't know why he annoys me he just does . :suspect:

[armand.kay]

Most the boys in my school speak like him and most are not even Jamaican there neater African, European or british! I'm probably the only Person that is completely baffles as to what they are saying. I would be minding my own business and one of them would approach me with greeting such as 'what you saying' or 'wag-wan' and I'm just like 'errm hi?' :laugh:

[Wildcat!]

And by the way, these people go to school. Its the reason why the kids ick it up, even if they arent carribbean.

There are lots of such example in the world. Like I went to high school, in Tucson Arizona, near the US, mexican border. A lot of kids from that area, are influenced, and have a hint, of a mexican accent.

[armand.kay]

My welsh relative also speak like this :laugh3:.

[Yayita]

Its not, its a "I look a twat" look

I'm dyng Chuff HAHAHAHAHAHAHA :joker: :joker: :joker:

I for one agree, look at how stupid the situation looks with his cap on backwards, that was son 1990's and he is 30 something years old!!!

Yes, it is a look like a Twat look.. But the youngins dont see it yet because they are young and to them is "Fashion" except when they see pictures of it a few years from now, they'll notice what Twats they look like.

[Wildcat!]

Calling people idiots isn't the right way to go is it! I live in Cheshire and hear youngsters talk that way when they were born and bred here as were their parents and their parents before them.

Thats because they watch tv, or thEir friends consider it cool. We all went through that, and kids grow out of it, if its put on.

But I have no problems calling a spade, a spade.

BTW, you will find some interesting accent here!

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Worldwide+Accent+Project+&oq=Worldwide+Accent+Project+&gs_l=youtube-reduced.12..0l4.12320.12320.0.15164.1.1.0.0.0.0.18 4.184.0j1.1.0...0.0...1ac.XGMxsK5JCHs

[Yayita]

The old age is really starting to show on some people in this thread. :joker:

Yes, 35 here! and thats why we sometimes see things clearer.. age gives you experience and perspective. I am sure most of you defending that Twat talk now, in a few years will be embarrassed at how foolish and unnecessary it is.

But I understand it, when I was in Highschool 8 ball jackets where in and you had to have Nikes or Reeboks, Levis and the latest Sony Discman, otherwise you were a loser LOL. Kids just want to fit and so I do understand why they are all following the idiotic trends.

[Yayita]

Is it chuff a london accent, its chav Bronx talk,Londoners dont call people "Dude,Homey" they say cock sparrow !!

The Bronx is not Chavy Chuff, far from it anymore.. It's been years, so please stop thinking about The Bronx like it is still in the 80's during the old Graffittied break dancing movies :joker:

[chuff me dizzy]

I'm dyng Chuff HAHAHAHAHAHAHA :joker: :joker: :joker:

I for one agree, look at how stupid the situation looks with his cap on backwards, that was son 1990's and he is 30 something years old!!!

Yes, it is a look like a Twat look.. But the youngins dont see it yet because they are young and to them is "Fashion" except when they see pictures of it a few years from now, they'll notice what Twats they look like.

When I see twats on street with jeans around their knees and grubby"Kalvin Kleins(FAKE MARKET COPIES,hence mis-spell) on show I feel like running up behind them and pulling them up, and the baseball caps ? :devil::devil::devil::devil::devil: I want to flick them off their stupid heads

[chuff me dizzy]

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=334837883277417&set=a.328837410544131.76637.328834157211123&type=3&theater


Harveys Saturday night top

[Yayita]

LOL, me too.. that was the only thing I hated about Adam, his pants were under his butt al the time.

[Yayita]

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=334837883277417&set=a.328837410544131.76637.328834157211123&type=3&theater


Harveys Saturday night top

:joker: the chavy Lacoste top

[chuff me dizzy]

LOL, me too.. that was the only thing I hated about Adam, his pants were under his butt al the time.

Me too, not a good look :nono:

[Brother Leon]

Good thing I don't live where Chuff does. Otherwise I would have someone pulling my jeans down and flicking my cap away if I stepped out my house.

Then again, If I did live there chances are my fashion sense would be very different. The magical effect where you live has on you eh?

[chuff me dizzy]

Good thing I don't live where Chuff does. Otherwise I would have someone pulling my jeans down and flicking my cap away if I stepped out my house.

Then again, If I did live there chances are my fashion sense would be very different. The magical effect where you live has on you eh?

PLEASE tell me you dont dress like that ?

[gravity]

who cares about his voice. we all talk differently. stop making a thread about someone's natural voice. is he going to change it for your approval

[chuff me dizzy]

who cares about his voice. we all talk differently. stop making a thread about someone's natural voice. is he going to change it for your approval

Its not"normal' its chav talk, no one is born talking like a twat

[gravity]

Its not"normal' its chav talk, no one is born talking like a twat

stop judging him because he does not live up to your expectation. you are patronizing him and its unfair. we all have a right to talk how we want and how do you know how he talked when he was born or young? This "twat" talk is how he talks and how many people talk so can you stop judging him. whats your alternative? learn how to talk like you>

[chuff me dizzy]

stop judging him because he does not live up to your expectation. you are patronizing him and its unfair. we all have a right to talk how we want and how do you know how he talked when he was born or young? This "twat" talk is how he talks and how many people talk so can you stop judging him. whats your alternative? learn how to talk like you>

Hes in CBB to be judged, as they all are

[gravity]

Hes in CBB to be judged, as they all are

fair to say, but not over his voice. something I expect not to change. judge his personality, past, even his career.

[JTM45]

I think he's just another talentless has-been, one-hit wonder z-lister!

He blew it with me when he labelled himself as "a real celebrity" over others in there. What a deluded saddo!
He's best known for cheating on Alisha Dixon. What a talented guy!
Harvey my ass! Whoop-de-do sh1t!!! :hugesmile:

[chuff me dizzy]

I think he's just another talentless has-been, one-hit wonder z-lister!

He blew it with me when he labelled himself as "a real celebrity" over others in there. What a deluded saddo!
He's best known for cheating on Alisha Dixon. What a talented guy!
Harvey my ass! Whoop-de-do sh1t!!! :hugesmile:

Spot on !! A one hit wonder loser and bighead

[Yayita]

I saw an interesting documentary about how the english language is dying because of slang. They took several cros sections from the US and analyzed language. Sampled Chicanos from Cali, Arizona and new mexico and ebonic samples from the north , New York, Pennsylvania etc.

Basically, The mexicans have mixed english and spanish to form practically an entire new language and the ebonics from the hood has become so popular and trendsetting that you even hear hollywood using it and even white conservatives... which sounds pathetic in them, not belivable at all. I hate when non hood peole talk hood, just doesnt make sense.

[Yayita]

Spot on !! A one hit wonder loser and bighead

So he is basicaly known for that 21 second to go part he sings? Is that all really?

[chuff me dizzy]

So he is basicaly known for that 21 second to go part he sings? Is that all really?

I had never heard of him, but my 18 yr old said ,yes ONE single ,where he was backing singer, Hardly Rod Stewart is he?

[Fosse]

Harvey is OK in my opinion but, yeah, his voice is annoying.

[cassieparis]

Is it chuff a london accent, its chav Bronx talk,Londoners dont call people "Dude,Homey" they say cock sparrow !!

:joker::joker:

I can do like a brother do it like a dude.... Lyrics written and sung by Jessie J. A Londoner. Never cock or sparrow.

Tim Westwood Radio 1 DJ and model for Sacha Baron Cohen's Ali G satire is originally from Suffolk but has lived for decades for in London can often be heard using the terms dude homey and "honestly baby I get love out there pure and simple" :laugh2: :laugh2:

:dance::dance:.......I can do it like a brother do like a dude.
Grab my crotch wear my hat low like you
I can do it like a brother do like a dude.
Grab my crotch wear my hat low like you :dance:

[chuff me dizzy]

How many"get what im saying" did he ram into one sentence tonight ?

[cassieparis]

How many"get what im saying" did he ram into one sentence tonight ?

"ram" is a very street term.
Very London. As in...... "it's very ram in 'ere"
You beginning to sound just like him :joker:

[Me. I Am Salman]

So he is basicaly known for that 21 second to go part he sings? Is that all really?

And cheating on Alesha Dixon lol

[reece(:]

To be fair, they're all one hit wonders, big heads, dying for attention and their careers are over.

[Redway]

Not this nonsense again :(.

Accent has absolutely nothing to do with skin colour. If you're born in a particular region (or have lived there long enough) and hang out with people who have that regional accent, you'll pick up that regional accent. It's that simple. I'm guessing this guy is from Inner City London or Croydon, born and bred there and has hung around with people who speak 'Jafaican' (Multicultural London English, an accent that consists of West Indian toned down by remnants of Cockney).

There are plenty of black people with traditional, working class Cockney accents and plenty of whites who speak 'Jafaican' so that argument simply doesn't work.

To say otherwise - and even go on to call him a 'twat' because of his accent - would be ignorance I can only compare to thinking Canada is a small town in South Yorkshire.

[Redway]

Rubbish. Proper Londoners don't speak like gangsters!? It's an imported fad, fake and idiotic.
Rubbish. It's an actual London accent - most usually spoken by people under 30 from that area.
Harvey's voice is affected. I come from London, I know how proper Londoners speak, and that aint it. I know lots of kids who talk like that who's parents are proper Cockney, but the kids speak like little Jamaican gangsters because their friends do. I know black kids who speak like that who's parents speak with a proper east London accent, and more hilariously, I know white kids who speak like that who've never been twenty miles outside the capital.
Exactly.
Its not"normal' its chav talk, no one is born talking like a twat
You are. It's a regional accent. It may have only evolved in the past 20 years but it's still a regional accent so I suggest you pick up a book and get your facts right before you start spouting ignorant, offensive bile on here.

In fact, all your posts on this thread have been so ill-informed that you sound more uneducated than you think these people you're describing do.

[rayheartbliss]

To be fair, they're all one hit wonders, big heads, dying for attention and their careers are over.

not mike

he is still famous in the US

hopefully they reveal the amount of money in his bank, that should get danica come out of her shell more.

[ConnieLingus]

Nonsense. It's an actual London accent - most usually spoken by people under 30 from that area.
Exactly.

You are. It's a regional accent. It may have only evolved in the past 20 years but it's still a regional accent so I suggest you pick up a book and get your facts right before you start spouting ignorant, offensive bile on here.

In fact, all your posts on this thread have been so ill-informed that you sound more uneducated than you think these people you're describing do.

If it's an actual London accent, why is it that I can tell black people talking on the radio when they come out with that shi te accent?

It's horrendous.

[Redway]

If it's an actual London accent, why is it that I can tell black people talking on the radio when they come out with that shi te accent?

It's horrendous.

So you're saying that being black people automatically rules them out for speaking with traditional London accents? Wow. You have a long way to go.

I've encountered loads of blacks who have Cockney accents and whites who speak 'Jafaican'. Different people have different accents. Smart people don't take to it automatically. Saying 'how cum I can tell blacks speaking on the radio' is not empirical evidence at all to speak for an entire race. Entirely anecdotal.

As for the 'it's horrendous' bit: so? I personally like the accents and find them quite colourful. It's all down to subjectivity and personal taste as to whether you like these accents but they are London accents. What if I said I don't like Cockney accents? Does that mean that I'd be absolutely justified and incisive in saying that they're not proper London accents?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multicultural_London_English
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/from-the-mouths-of-teens-422688.html
http://dialectblog.com/2011/11/03/multicultural-london-oo/

[ConnieLingus]

Not all black people talk with that accent, though. Plenty of whites talk like that. As I said, skin colour doesn't come into accent at all. Fact. End. No discussion here. :idc:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multicultural_London_English
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/from-the-mouths-of-teens-422688.html
http://dialectblog.com/2011/11/03/multicultural-london-oo/

When I listen to interviews on radio, it turns out 99% of the time that I can tell by the way they talk, whether they are white or black.

Sorry that goes against your theory.

[Redway]

When I listen to interviews on radio, it turns out 99% of the time that I can tell by the way they talk, whether they are white or black.

Sorry that goes against your theory.

Did you actually read my post? What about all the times I've heard white people with the exact same accents as you're describing? Or is that somehow different and are your personal experiences the only substantial ones?

[ConnieLingus]

Did you actually read my post? What about all the times I've heard white people with the exact same accents as you're describing? Or is that somehow different and are your personal experiences the only substantial ones?

I'm just saying that I can tell 99% of the time whether someone is white or black when they speak on the radio.

Are you saying I'm wrong for some reason?

[Redway]

I'm just saying that I can tell 99% of the time whether someone is white or black when they speak on the radio.

Are you saying I'm wrong for some reason?

No I'm not saying you're wrong on that basis. That's your personal experience, which is fine.

What you're wrong in is ascribing that accent towards all black people and I went on to counteract your ridiculous argument that usually only blacks talk like that by using my personal experience and actually substantiating my opinions with actual facts and statistics. I'm yet to see what justification you have for your argument, other than your own personal experience.

[ConnieLingus]

No I'm not saying you're wrong on that basis. That's your personal experience, which is fine.

What you're wrong in is ascribing that accent towards all black people and I went on to contradict that argument using my personal experience and actually substantiating my opinions with actual facts and statistics. I'm yet to see what justification you have for thinking all blacks talk like that, other than your own personal experience.


I'm not saying all blacks talk like that.

I'm just saying that when I hear someone talk like that, he's usually black.

What's wrong with that, innit?

[Redway]

I'm not saying all blacks talk like that.

I'm just saying that when I hear someone talk like that, he's usually black.

What's wrong with that, innit?

What's wrong with that is that there are probably just as many whites as blacks who talk like that so using your own personal experience to make that statement proves nothing. I refer you to the links I posted earlier on this page.

[ConnieLingus]

What's wrong with that is that there are probably just as many whites as blacks who talk like that

Utter nonsense.

Get a grip. I can distinguish them easily, the vast majority of the time.

Don't talk crap and tell me I can't.

[Redway]

Utter nonsense.

Get a grip. I can distinguish them easily, the vast majority of the time.

Don't talk crap and tell me I can't.

I don't even know where to start with that poorly-worded piece of nonsense. I would strongly encourage you to research accents in inner city London. This argument has been proven by statistics and extensive research by people qualified in the profession and I would suggest you understand the rudiments of the topic and no I'm not on about using your personal experience but obvious, proven data.

Your argument that in your personal experience people who talk like that are almost always black bore no contextual relation with the actual topic at hand.

In fact that argument can - and has been - completely counteracted and neutralised by anyone else's patented, individualised and personal experiences - and vice versa - which totally neutralises and obliterates your own argument?

And that's me done with you. You will undoubtedly find some way to distort and ignore the statistics I provide you and keep spouting the same crap, which makes arguing with you a pointless endeavor.

Any other attempt I try at making a coherent, logical argument will undoubtedly be dismissed by you in that oh-so-wonderful, smart tone in a desperate bid to make it look like you have the better of the situation when it just amounts to you overtly making the same ill-informed, pointless 'points' over and over and over again.

[ConnieLingus]

I don't even know where to start with that poorly-worded piece of nonsense. I would strongly encourage you to research accents in inner city London. This argument has been proven by statistics and extensive research by people qualified in the profession and I would suggest you understand the rudiments of the topic and no I'm not on about using your personal experience but obvious, proven data.

Your argument that in your personal experience people who talk like that are almost always black bore no contextual relation with the actual topic at hand.

In fact that argument can - and has been - completely counteracted and neutralised by anyone else's patented, individualised and personal experiences - and vice versa - which totally neutralises and obliterates your own argument?

And that's me done with you. You will undoubtedly find some way to distort and ignore the statistics I provide you and keep spouting the same crap, which makes arguing with you a pointless endeavor.

Any other attempt I try at making a coherent, logical argument will undoubtedly be dismissed by you in that oh-so-wonderful, smart tone in a desperate bid to make it look like you have the better of the situation when it just amounts to you overtly making the same ill-informed, pointless 'points' over and over and over again.

And yet, after all that drivel, I can still distinguish between a black guy and a white guy on radio.

It kind of makes your argument a pile of pish.

Sorry about that, Professor.

[gravity]

And yet, after all that drivel, I can still distinguish between a black guy and a white guy on radio.

It kind of makes your argument a pile of pish.

Sorry about that, Professor.

You are really coming off as ignorant right now and a little stereotypical

[mr rochester]

I completely abhor his stupid, fake accent...bright he is not...

[Saigon1]

Well I don't like the Birmingham accent but meh what you gonna do.