Obama MUST win, but will he?

[the truth]

those madcap republicans are pulling out all the stops to destroy their own economy just to win the white house

admittedly obama has added 4 trillion onto bushs economic disaaster, but at least hes pumped it back into infrastructure, health, industries

the unemployment rate is still stuck at 8.2% down 2% in a year but still higher than the 7.8% when he came to power

the fact is, obama was right to pump in this money, we tried it 3 years too late, we only did quantitative easing, but obama handed the money to specific areas, like roads, building homes, hospitals and in steel and car manufacturing plants and machinery

we were lazy, he wasnt

so the down jones top companies are back to 13200 the 2nd highest in 10 years

general motors have over taken the japanese as the worlds number one car producer

graduates (whom still get grants under obama) 96% of them find employment, only 4% are unemployed

4 million jobs created in 18 months, most of them in small to edium businesses and best of all hes gone after the massive corruption in the corporate giants , he fined mortgage companies $25 billion in february for corruption, british petroleum £37 billion for their spillage and even goldman sachs fined £550 million a few months ago too


obama has slashed the public sector jobs too and reduced benefits, hes also slashed the military by a billion, given up the europe wide nuclear defence system, agreed to disarm the US and russian nuclear missiles by 40% over the coming few years, half closed guantanamo bay etc this has saved trillions

hes also given affordable healthcare to another 30 million poorest

but he needs more economic good news. I genuinely believe IF he can get to the white house, he may finally start to deal with the real deeper issues destroying the planet. No not religion, not reality tv or any of that nonsense, but phenomenal worldwide corporate greed.

[Shaun]

I pray he will. Romney would be hell.

[Redway]

I sure hope so. The guy's a legend.

[billy123]

Does it really matter? Obama has plugged on mercilessly as he was told as will Romney!
The corporates pull the strings they just dance to the tune.
If you think Obamas been any different hi heres some coffee.

[lostalex]

I don't think eigther side are particularly passionate. I don't think Republicans are that excited about Romney, and Democrats are not that excited for Obama.

Obama has been a bit of a damp squib, he's really done nothing to get us Democrats enthusiastic for a second term. I think he was trying to fire up the base with his support of gay marriage a few months ago, but most Democrats think it was pointless because he's not pledged to do anything to get same sex marriage legalized, so it really doesn't matter.

I hope and expect Obama will be re-elected, but if Romney wins i won't be devastated. He was a decent governor of Massachusettes, so i don't think he'll be a total disaster as President, certainly no where near as bad as Bush.

[billy123]

Obama will limp in cya in 4 years.

[arista]

"I hope and expect Obama will be re-elected, but if Romney wins i won't be devastated."

Yes and which ever one takes the job
the USA Drone Bombers carry on in Pakistan.

[Saph]

Romney seems a bit scary from what ive seen of him.. I'm hoping Obama is re-elected

[BBfanUSA]

recently a republican (Todd Akin) has admitted that abortion should be banned even in cases of rape. Most of the conservative republicans have distanced themselves from it when in actuality they agree with him. Personally I disagree with abortion except in cases of rape, incest, and child would be screwed or mother is screwed.

Personally I'm tired of a two party system in the United States. If congress (US version of Parliament) doesn't get along soon, I will support a campaign to add a bunch of minor parties to congress that aren't communist or Nazis (Which there are). Because it's also congress's fault not put all the blame on Obama. it's mainly because of the republican dominated in the house of reps.

[the truth]

all Id say about abortion is that the women who get them often complain at a later stage that they felt pressured into having the abortion and didnt feel they were offered any advice on any of the alternatives nor were they given time or information. many regret it forever as do their partners. in some cases they cant conceive again and all theyre left with is the agony of a dead baby

what also does the law and politicans and health employees do about mothers who abuse themselves with heavy drugs alcohol and chain smoking suring late stages of pregnancy?

Id also say 6 months is very late in the day, youre killing an innnocent baby there and that baby surely has some rights too.

this has become far too much a feminist issue and needs to be discussed again with less hysteria. the political parties should be utterly ashamed of theselves for playing politics with such a delicate matter

uk thinks it has all the answers on this it doesnt, Uk has the highest abortion rates , especially for teenagers in all of europe, we brits are arrogant as hell on the issue and it rarely gets discussed in a logical intelligent manner. meanwhile innocent babies keep getting killed at an increasing rate

[lostalex]

Romney seems a bit scary from what ive seen of him.. I'm hoping Obama is re-elected

I'm not a Romney supporter, as i've already stated i'm supporting Obama, but Romney is not that scary. If you look at his record as governor of Massachusetts, which is a very liberal state, he was not horrible.

I see some British and other foreign press trying to portray him as an idiot, like they did Bush, but Romney is not stupid. He is actually quite capable. Most foreign press seem to think that all Republicans are idiots, like Bush, but they arn't. I don't agree with Republican policies, but they are not idiots. It's a mistake to paint them all as idiots like Bush.

[Roy Mars III]

will probably vote for Obama(though I am leaning towards voting for neither), but Romney is not as bad as people try to make out and I would not mind him being elected

[MTVN]

I'm not a Romney supporter, as i've already stated i'm supporting Obama, but Romney is not that scary. If you look at his record as governor of Massachusetts, which is a very liberal state, he was not horrible.

I see some British and other foreign press trying to portray him as an idiot, like they did Bush, but Romney is not stupid. He is actually quite capable. Most foreign press seem to think that all Republicans are idiots, like Bush, but they arn't. I don't agree with Republican policies, but they are not idiots. It's a mistake to paint them all as idiots like Bush.

Agree with this, people like to portray the Republicans as clueless morons who are all like Palin and Bush but even though I don't agree with Romney he does seem quite competent and knows what he's talking about

[swinearefine]

Out of Obama and Romney I hope Obama is elected. I support the Green Party and will be voting Green, to lend support for and raise awareness of the party. I live in a liberal state so Obama will win it here anyway.

[lostalex]

Out of Obama and Romney I hope Obama is elected. I support the Green Party and will be voting Green, to lend support for and raise awareness of the party. I live in a liberal state so Obama will win it here anyway.

same here. California will go for Obama anyway, so it doesn't really matter if i vote. I do wish we had a real viable Green candidate. IS Nader running again this year? i don't even know who the Greens are running this year, havn't heard anything about it.

[the truth]

the whol eelctioneering is pretty disappointing cheap shots so far and avoiding the major issues....lets hope neither party is allowed to get away with that. they did in the UK and we got a useless governent to replace a corrupt one

[Tom4784]

Obama has been unspectacular as a president but I think he's the lesser of two evils.

[Harry!]

If Mitt wins it would be a tragedy for the world. Mitt is desperately seeking conflict with Iran which would end in devastating consequences.

[lostalex]

If Mitt wins it would be a tragedy for the world. Mitt is desperately seeking conflict with Iran which would end in devastating consequences.

To be fair, if anyone attacks Iran it's gonna be Israel, and it won't matter at all who's in the White House when it happens

[the truth]

To be fair, if anyone attacks Iran it's gonna be Israel, and it won't matter at all who's in the White House when it happens

yes it will
whoever is in the hot seat will have an emormous bearing over how such a tragic war would ensue

[the truth]

Obama has been unspectacular as a president but I think he's the lesser of two evils.

what would you like obama to have done better and what do you think hes done right?

[swinearefine]

same here. California will go for Obama anyway, so it doesn't really matter if i vote. I do wish we had a real viable Green candidate. IS Nader running again this year? i don't even know who the Greens are running this year, havn't heard anything about it.

Jill Stein is the Green Party candidate. Roseanne was also in the running :laugh:

[lostalex]

yes it will
whoever is in the hot seat will have an emormous bearing over how such a tragic war would ensue

not really, both Obama and Romney would support Israel.

[arista]

Obama has been unspectacular as a president but I think he's the lesser of two evils.


No Obama told the Americans if he failed
he would be One Term.
He has made so many errors
and worse stopping American Production
in to many areas.

He talks well
but fails in action.

[the truth]

No Obama told the Americans if he failed
he would be One Term.
He has made so many errors
and worse stopping American Production
in to many areas.

He talks well
but fails in action.

what on earth are you on about? he pumped $2 trillion into porudction in yera 1? hes takene general motors and chrysler back to the top car manufacturers in the world? hes created 4 million private jobs in 18 months?

george bush socialised the private sector but bailing bankers to the tune of $3 trillion

get your facts right

[Tom4784]

No Obama told the Americans if he failed
he would be One Term.
He has made so many errors
and worse stopping American Production
in to many areas.

He talks well
but fails in action.

Better him then Romney though, if he wins then it'll be the Bush years 2.0

[arista]

Better him then Romney though, if he wins then it'll be the Bush years 2.0


In Florida
many are Not Happy with Barack.
Romney/Ryan are way , way better than GW Bush.


Florida is the Key.

[MTVN]

Good article by Owen Jones the other day about how replacing Bush with Obama hasn't really changed that much in terms of America's foreign policy http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/owen-jones-getting-rid-of-george-w-bush-wasnt-enough-the-us-remains-a-bully-8073568.html

[the truth]

Good article by Owen Jones the other day about how replacing Bush with Obama hasn't really changed that much in terms of America's foreign policy http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/owen-jones-getting-rid-of-george-w-bush-wasnt-enough-the-us-remains-a-bully-8073568.html

give him time he had to end 2 nightmare wars, which hes sort of done
he has ben far far more successful overseas too, he got osama, loads of his henchen, he helped topple ghaddhaffi , hes also reduced the military spending by nearly a trillion and abandoned the europe wide missile defence system, plus hes disarming the us and ruassian nuclear missiles by 40% over the next few years.

[arista]

Yes MTVN good Paper
Great Points.


Barack had his chance
he failed.

Today we learn that Bin Laden was dead
But Barack tells it another way
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2195075/Osama-Bin-Laden-unarmed-ALREADY-DEAD-Navy-SEALs-burst-bedroom.html

[Marc]

Totes will

[InOne]

Depends if he still has the black vote.

[Shaun]

Apparently he has a 57.4% chance :suspect: but then I don't want to look to bookmakers for American elections :laugh:

[lostalex]

Depends if he still has the black vote.

he does. the blacks hated him for a minute for supporting gays, but they're over it by now.

[arista]

Depends if he still has the black vote.

Many Black Voters are not sure now.

Also he had the most younger voters
many are now giving up on him.


Ref:CNN America/CBS/FoxNewsHD

[InOne]

he does. the blacks hated him for a minute for supporting gays, but they're over it by now.

I thought they felt he let them down in places like Detroit and other ghettos though?

[lostalex]

I thought they felt he let them down in places like Detroit and other ghettos though?

compared to Mitt Romney? Obama is still black. don't underestimate that.

Let's be real, how many oppurtunities in our lifetime will black people have to vote for a black candidate?

[the truth]

his economic policy has been vastly more successful than any in europe

his growth in gdp superceedes all of european nations, hes created more jobs per head too

im right of centre, i detest big government. but I also recognize the need to regultate markets and especially monoplies and cartels. the monopolies commission has been way too weak for years. i dont think obama is a big government socialist. in fact hes radically scaled back the state and state jobs. he simply had to reinvest into the infrastructure and into industries. i think he was very brave to also invest into healthcare too. the long long term benefits of that will be enormous and wont entirely be felt for years, decades to come

the indiustries are already reviving, roads, cars, steel too

hes also hammered corrupt corporations, british petroleum a massive $37 billion, other corrupt mortgage lenders a whopping $25 trillion in february this year

hes a man in the centre , too clever to get too caught up in polarised politics, he simply uses his brain and integrity to hand pick each policy on merit

his biggest problem is getting unemplyment down further, he did well to go from 11% to 8.2%

europe is a massive problem, its way too socialist. but it is also over regulating small busineses and over deregulated big business. europe is therefore more corrupt in the way it enforces the wealth pyramid and makes it harder for the poor to get richer and harder for the rich to get poorer

[arista]

Romney is 4% ahead in the Polls in North Carolina
the place Barack is right now.


Ref: CH4News UK Live

[Shaun]

Hmm, North Carolina was the closest win for Obama in 2008 (49.69% vs. 49.36%)... Indiana 2nd.

[arista]

Hmm, North Carolina was the closest win for Obama in 2008 (49.69% vs. 49.36%)... Indiana 2nd.


Times Change.

America Downgraded
and Millions more with no jobs
Barack - is all talk
not good on effect.

[Redway]

he does. the blacks hated him for a minute for supporting gays, but they're over it by now.

That's not all blacks though. It's just the stupid ones who give them all a bad name.

[MTVN]

If Romney wins then Clint must surely take the credit

[the truth]

If Romney wins then Clint must surely take the credit

lets be fair if you want someone to back you, then it may as well be dirty harry:dance:

[Shaun]

Even if he is decrepid and hallucinating

[Kizzy]

If we have republicans in at the same time as tories...*sucks teeth* not good.... regan/thatcher?
Sound the alarm...

[Mystic Mock]

Obama has been unspectacular as a president but I think he's the lesser of two evils.

This.

[BBfanUSA]

I'm a financial conservative (there's a difference between conservatives, there's the social conservatives and then's there me and my mom) and I'm considering voting for Obama at least leaning towards him.

Personally I live in a battleground state and I just want election day to get the hell here. ARGHHHHH Every 5 secs on the telly there's a ad against Obama and then the next ad is throwing the previous one out the window (Yes, it's legal in the states)

[lostalex]

That's not all blacks though. It's just the stupid ones who give them all a bad name.

Well that's right, obviously not all black people are homophobic, but a large proportion are, certainly a larger proportion than whites and asians. but Obama does try to play both sides. He tries to play up his Christianity, and how devoted to gawd he is, and then he tries to support being pro-choice and pro-gay out of the corner of his mouth.

He's just like all politicians, you have to choose between pleasing some of the people all of the time, or pleasing all of the people some of the time. He's obviously chosen to please all of the people some of the time. I wish he would be more like Jimmy Carter. Jimmy Carter is my favorite President of the modern era.

[Redway]

Well that's right, obviously not all black people are homophobic, but a large proportion are, certainly a larger proportion than whites and asians. but Obama does try to play both sides. He tries to play up his Christianity, and how devoted to gawd he is, and then he tries to support being pro-choice and pro-gay out of the corner of his mouth.

He's just like all politicians, you have to choose between pleasing some of the people all of the time, or pleasing all of the people some of the time. He's obviously chosen to please all of the people some of the time. I wish he would be more like Jimmy Carter. Jimmy Carter is my favorite President of the modern era.
Depends which ones you mean tbh. A lot of people from the Middle East (Western Asia) have extremely homophobic views...mostly down to the fact that they're more likely to be religious (Muslims usually).

[the truth]

obaa is morally superior to romney imho, so are his policies and his ambitions for america
america and the world needs to deregtulate the little man and tighten regulations on the mega rich and huge corporations