Does the latest episode of BBUSA prove BBUSA is better than BBUK?

[Liberty4eva]

Big Brother USA Houseguest Dan just might be the best player to ever play the game. After Dan lost the power of veto in the latest BB episode, the whole house was resigned to evicting him. During the veto contest he agreed to take one of the punishments which was 24 hours of solitary confinement. After being released from solitary confinement he would have had only a few hours to do the impossible: convince his enemies who were hell-bent on getting him out to save him. He had 24 hours to come up with a plan to save his Big Brother life and watch and see what happens for yourself. This is why I think BBUSA is a little more interesting.

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[Roy Mars III]

it was always better

[starry]

This episode doesn't prove it's better at all. It was weird and reeked of manipulation I thought. Dan gave that weird performance and then Frank suddenly completely changes his gameplan against the person who he wanted out the most? And Britney apparently becomes Ian's biggest ally ever, I though it was Shane she was close to. Plenty of this didn't make sense. Wonder if the producers had some words in the DR to some people.

The American show is better nowadays, but there is manipulation as well and sometimes it just doesn't feel as believable as it might. The DR entries are just reading a script most of the time. But at least it doesn't have as many airheads as the British has now and perhaps the Australian version too.

[starry]

This episode doesn't prove it's better at all. It was weird and reeked of manipulation I thought. Dan gave that weird performance and then Frank suddenly completely changes his gameplan against the person who he wanted out the most? And Britney apparently becomes Ian's biggest ally ever, I though it was Shane she was close to. Plenty of this didn't make sense. Wonder if the producers had some words in the DR to some people.

The American show is better nowadays, but there is manipulation as well and sometimes it just doesn't feel as believable as it might. The DR entries are just reading a script most of the time. But at least it doesn't have as many airheads as the British has now and perhaps the Australian version too.

[LemonJam]

Mon dieu, I know that BBUS does have manipulation but this was really what happened. People are far too easy to point the manipulation finger this year.

On topic, it's completely... objective? subjective? one of those two. This was probably the best episode so far however even though it was very Joe-less.

[starry]

He was in that solitary room for a day and then when he comes out and gives that ridiculous speech suddenly everything changes? :D If it was what happened (maybe he used some kind of telepathy on Frank while in solitary lol) then the HGs must be VERY easily manipulated.

American producers do like to make a very simple and inevitable storyline, but it can make it seem way too simple. Britney worries to a strange extent about losing the veto and Dan winning it, suddenly from nowhere Jen is in an alliance with Frank, Dan trashes Danielle but minutes later she's all ok with it and apparently worships him so much the Britney-Shane alliance she has can be thrown away. Dan - a winner in the past - is suddenly someone they all trust, Britney is suddenly a big threat even though Shane and Frank have been winning competitions. Jen actually won 2 recently? Apparently Joe hardly exists anymore.

[Bluerang1]

It's always been better. What's your point? Glorifying Dan?

[Donovan.]

Dan gave that weird performance and then Frank suddenly completely changes his gameplan against the person who he wanted out the most? And Britney apparently becomes Ian's biggest ally ever, I though it was Shane she was close to. Plenty of this didn't make sense. Wonder if the producers had some words in the DR

The performance was to get Danielle some sympathy for when Britney went up on the block against her, it wasn't to get Frank on his side. And it wasnt about how close Britney was to Ian as much as Ian was to Britney. It wasn't strategic as much as personal on Frank's part.

He was in that solitary room for a day and then when he comes out and gives that ridiculous speech suddenly everything changes?

Britney worries to a strange extent about losing the veto and Dan winning it, suddenly from nowhere Jen is in an alliance with Frank, Dan trashes Danielle but minutes later she's all ok with it and apparently worships him so much the Britney-Shane alliance she has can be thrown away. Dan - a winner in the past - is suddenly someone they all trust, Britney is suddenly a big threat even though Shane and Frank have been winning competitions.

It was after Frank and Dan's meeting that everything changed, not the funeral. Britney worried about the veto because she knew if Dan won she'd be going up. Jenn never had an alliance, so IMO it isn't strange that she got into one with Frank. Dan did the same thing to Danielle, but on a smaller scale in week 2 when she was nominated with JoJo, so that's why she was "okay" with it, and she's "worshipped" him all along. That's why she cried this week when Frank told her he was coming after Dan. Her alliance with Shane and Britney, hasn't been thrown away in fact Shane is voting to keepher Joe, Shane, Britney, and Ian all still think that Danielle is working with them, so she still has that alliance. And I wouldn't say that Dan is trusted by many people, only Frank, Jenn, and Danielle. Frank trusts him because he exposed Ian's betrayal. And like I said it isn't about Britney being such a threat as much as a personal move by Frank on Ian.

[SoBig]

^^It was also to keep their alliance a secret. He thinks if people think that they aren't a pair anymore that no one would put them up on the block together. People would also feed them information that they won't if they were a pair.

Jenn does NOT TRUST Dan. She told Joe and Danielle several times in the past day that she wants Dan out.

Right now only two people are targeting Dan. Joe and Jenn.


LOL @ anyone thinking that whole thing was fake. It wasn't. That whole thing was about 4 hours long and the producers cut it down to 15 minutes. I watched Dan come up with that whole plan when he was locked up for about 24 hours.

[starry]

I stopped quoting Donovan's post as it looks like it revealed whatever the spoiler was when in edit mode.

Anyway I thought the personal aspect was Frank hating Dan.

I still think Dan's speech was silly, how couldn't anyone be suspicious? It was so over the top. And we'd already been shown that Britney knew he was up to something anyway.

Jen hasn't had a gameplan at all and not she suddenly gets one? :D

BOOGIE revealed Ian's betrayal lol, not Dan. I don't have a memory that bad.

A bit like the sudden plan to get rid of Janelle and save Boogie after Boogie had been pretty much hated this just doesn't seem to flow with the logic of the program. This is becoming a problem for me in this season. Following the logic of the program Frank should have gone (producers saved him), Boogie should have gone earlier and then Dan should have gone.

[swinearefine]

I hate the strategy aspect of BBUS. And this is the worst season of all time. BBUK >>>> BBUS in every possible way

[Donovan.]

Ian exposed his own betrayal not Boogie, if you're talking about the vote. Dan exposed the QP and Ian's involvement in it, not Boogie. Sure you could say that Frank's nomination of Dan was personal, but strategically he should want to get Dan out since he can talk himself of the block (proved so on the last episode) and not Britney. Although I wouldn't/shouldn't have called it all completely personal since Britney was protected on all sides. That sudden plan to get rid of Janelle only worked because Danielle disliked her so much. That plan saved Frank, not Boogie. Frank was nominated with Ashley, who was vetoed, so that Janelle could be backdoored. You shouldn't be surprised that the show hasn't been following logic, since it changes on such a regular basis.

[SoBig]

^ Wil, not Ashley.

[lostalex]

I don't see what it has to do with BBUK, it's always been impossible to compare them, but i agree it was a great episode. I had no idea any of this was coming, so my jaw literally was on the ground the whole time. Blindsides and total power shifts and backstabbing are always the best part of BBUS (and Survivor).

It'd dumb to compare BBUK with BBUS though. I love them both for very different reasons. I like BBUK for the drama and the arguments, I watch BBUS for the strategy and cut-throat competition aspect.

[Marc]

I already knew it was better than BBUK

[BBfanUSA]

I hate the strategy aspect of BBUS. And this is the worst season of all time. BBUK >>>> BBUS in every possible way

There is more strategy in this season than the last two combined by a long shot, a loooooooooooooooonnnnnnnnnnnnggggggggggg shot.

Saying that BBUSA is better than BBUK is like comparing apple to oranges IMHO

[lostalex]

I hate the strategy aspect of BBUS. And this is the worst season of all time. BBUK >>>> BBUS in every possible way

Well if you just wanna watch strangers in a house, you can watch the Real World or Jersey Shore.

[Raph]

No. BBUK >BBUSA

But Dan :worship:

[Chilltown]

BBUSA > BBUK, all day!

[Slevin]

i like both for different reasons same with BBAU. i like the gameplay of BBUS and the ruthlessness and the drama that comes out of it. i cant really say i like one more than the other but i guess i like BBUS just a bit more.

BB12 is by far the worst BBUS season ever imo. i dont count BB1 since it was so different than the others. even the sucky seasons have their good moments, just not many.

[Macie Lightfoot]

This is worse than BB12. BB1 is better than both of them though.

[Slevin]

BB1 was horrible and super boring imo. the reason they changed the way the game was played the next season (BB2). BB12 was just turrible as well. best good thing i remember from that season the most was Ragan giving Rachel what she deserved. BB12 was boring cause the Brigade had that on lock and it was so predictable cause of that. even the Brigade and Britney said it was awful and really boring after they watched it lol.

this season while not the best had the best first week ever. it was mad crazy and it was entertaining. this week finally a Frank HOH reign was good. the other ones were boring as hell. getting Janelle out the way it happened i was entertained even though at that point i didnt want her to go. Britney even though im not much of a fan had me lmao this season a lot more than her original. Boogie getting f'd over by the QP was a good week also.

[starry]

Also I don't get why Britney at the Veto was saying she was really worried about not winning it, as she thought Dan could be saved and then she would be the replacement. And yet later we are told she was blindsided and shocked she was a replacement. Which was true, or was neither true? There is quite a lot of scripted fake DR commentary in this, so it's hard as a viewer to really know the truth watching the HLs and I find that frustrating.

[Donovan.]

Also I don't get why Britney at the Veto was saying she was really worried about not winning it, as she thought Dan could be saved and then she would be the replacement. And yet later we are told she was blindsided and shocked she was a replacement. Which was true, or was neither true? There is quite a lot of scripted fake DR commentary in this, so it's hard as a viewer to really know the truth watching the HLs and I find that frustrating.

I remember she told Ian that she really didn't want Shane to win it because she didn't want to be nominated, even if she had the votes. She said no matter what she didn't want to go up.

I don't know why she didn't want to be nominated if she had the votes. But I think that's why she was worried about the veto.

[Raph]

It's just Dan. :worship: :worship:

[Macie Lightfoot]

BB1 was horrible and super boring imo. the reason they changed the way the game was played the next season (BB2). BB12 was just turrible as well. best good thing i remember from that season the most was Ragan giving Rachel what she deserved. BB12 was boring cause the Brigade had that on lock and it was so predictable cause of that. even the Brigade and Britney said it was awful and really boring after they watched it lol.

this season while not the best had the best first week ever. it was mad crazy and it was entertaining. this week finally a Frank HOH reign was good. the other ones were boring as hell. getting Janelle out the way it happened i was entertained even though at that point i didnt want her to go. Britney even though im not much of a fan had me lmao this season a lot more than her original. Boogie getting f'd over by the QP was a good week also.

BB1 wasn't as bad as everyone makes it out to be. The cast was actually pretty good, but it was just that they were all too conscious of the cameras and actively avoided drama. Having evictions every other week dragged things out too, so that didn't help.

And this season definitely did not have the best first week ever. Everyone talked about how great the feeds were but there was nothing special that whole week. This season has been dreadful from start to finish. I know you talk about how some of the weeks were good because of blindsides or big moves made, but when there are no big character and nobody is likable or rootable, how can one care about the strategy? This whole season has just been pure vanilla dullness.

[Marc]

BB1 was over as soon as the amputee guy went in.

[Manal]

there is noway to compare them, BBUS is far better than BBUK which is silly

[glasstangerine]

I started out liking bbus but it became to cut throat and depressing after the first few seasons and I liked BBUK better because the people were forced to remember their manners because the public had a hand in the decision making.

However this years shows have me completely flipped. I was angry and annoyed all through the BBUK season and I am LOVING the BBUS season. There isn't anyone I don't like and I find myself cheering for every genius game shift even thought I was cheering for the opposite team the week before. Great housemates this season, great entertainment. Many of them are amazing players.

[mkbb]

Dan's playing made my mouth literally drop it was that good this week. Watching it I had an excited feeling which I never get watching BBUK anymore (apart from when huge arguments happen). Sadly in BBUK Dan would be hated and voted out while the likes of Ashley, Kara, Shane, Ian and Jenn would be liked and the final 5.

[Macie Lightfoot]

However this years shows have me completely flipped. I was angry and annoyed all through the BBUK season and I am LOVING the BBUS season. There isn't anyone I don't like and I find myself cheering for every genius game shift even thought I was cheering for the opposite team the week before. Great housemates this season, great entertainment. Many of them are amazing players.

You're joking right? Or you must be new, because this is probably the worst season of BBUS ever.

[BBfanUSA]

You're joking right? Or you must be new, because this is probably the worst season of BBUS ever.

that still goes to season 13. This season has redeemed itself ever since Mike's eviction week. This is just a crappy final 7 because of Frank

[Macie Lightfoot]

It's a crappy final seven because of Frank, but also because of Dan, Ian, Danielle, and Shane. When you're left rooting for people by default as early as this, you know it's a **** season.

BB13 wasn't even bad. You can't say with a straight face it's the worst season when BB12 exists (and other seasons.)

[SoBig]

This is a great season. How can anyone not root for Dan? Dude is playing at a GOAT level. Very easy to root for. Especially if you love the strategic aspect of BB.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Well Dan's not all that likable. No matter how good or bad of a player someone may be, likability plays a big factor in who you want to win.

[SoBig]

Well Dan's not all that likable. No matter how good or bad of a player someone may be, likability plays a big factor in who you want to win.
Then why is he topping all the fan favorite polls?

[Macie Lightfoot]

I guess for the same reason Jordeff has in the past? You can't use fan favorite polls to objectively state whether or not someone is likable.

[lostalex]

Loved Dan on BB10, one of the best winners ever. Havn't warmed to him at all this season though. In the DR he was being as cocky as Boogie, and just as obnoxious. It's nice seeing him finally coming alive with actual game moves. I'm not a big Dan fan, but i certainly prefer him over Frank and the floaters. I'm definitely Team Ian though.

[BBfanUSA]

The Feed Watchers are supporting Ian/Shane mainly
The CBS onlies are cheering for Frank/Jenn mainly now.

I think CBS and AG want a Frank/Ian final but I don't think that's going to happen.

[lostalex]

The Feed Watchers are supporting Ian/Shane mainly
The CBS onlies are cheering for Frank/Jenn mainly now.

I think CBS and AG want a Frank/Ian final but I don't think that's going to happen.

I'm a CBS only person who's rooting for Ian or Dan.

[SoBig]

The Feed Watchers are supporting Ian/Shane mainly
The CBS onlies are cheering for Frank/Jenn mainly now.

I think CBS and AG want a Frank/Ian final but I don't think that's going to happen.
Then why is Dan topping all the fan favorite polls? :conf::conf::conf:

[Macie Lightfoot]

The same fan favorite polls that Jordeff topped.

[lostalex]

The same fan favorite polls that Jordeff topped.

the same fan favorite polls that Will always topped.

[iRyan]

Erm, yeah, no.

Maybe BB10US > BBUK

But this season of BBUS is the worst ever.

[iRyan]

Then why is he topping all the fan favorite polls?

Because everyone else left is awful.

[reece(:]

Maybe Dan is playing the best game because the rest are all ****ing morons and don't have a clue? Not trying to bring Dan down but it's true, they're all idiots. BB13 is miles better up to now because of Shelly alone> and the Jama Jammers.

[lostalex]

Maybe Dan is playing the best game because the rest are all ****ing morons and don't have a clue? Not trying to bring Dan down but it's true, they're all idiots. BB13 is miles better up to now because of Shelly alone> and the Jama Jammers.


Ian and Britney are/were not idiots. They just underestimated Dan's ruthlessness. Just as Boogie underestimated Dan/Britney/Ian's ruthlessness. Just as Janelle underestimated Boogie's ruthlessness.

The truth is, everyone has to trust people in that house to make it to the end. No one can win this game by themselves.

[reece(:]

They were idiots and if they have seen Dan's season then even moreso.

[SoBig]

Ian and Britney are/were not idiots. They just underestimated Dan's ruthlessness. Just as Boogie underestimated Dan/Britney/Ian's ruthlessness. Just as Janelle underestimated Boogie's ruthlessness.

The truth is, everyone has to trust people in that house to make it to the end. No one can win this game by themselves.
It was over for Britney once Dan found out she was trying to get him out. She was constantly throwing him under the bus to people. Its funny how the show edited it in such a way that would lead you to believe that she was trying to save him. Which wasn't the case at all. The first day Shane/Britney/Dan/Danielle formed an alliance she was trying to turn Shane and Danielle against him. Dan suspected it from then, but Danielle kept covering for Brit.

[Slevin]

BB1 wasn't as bad as everyone makes it out to be. The cast was actually pretty good, but it was just that they were all too conscious of the cameras and actively avoided drama. Having evictions every other week dragged things out too, so that didn't help.

And this season definitely did not have the best first week ever. Everyone talked about how great the feeds were but there was nothing special that whole week. This season has been dreadful from start to finish. I know you talk about how some of the weeks were good because of blindsides or big moves made, but when there are no big character and nobody is likable or rootable, how can one care about the strategy? This whole season has just been pure vanilla dullness.
imo i havent seen a more exciting first week cause of all the craziness. the only other week 1's i thought was good or decent was BB11 and maybe BB10. even BB9 was pretty good first week since they started fighting on the first BBAD. doesnt always have to be good game play to be considered a good week. that helps if it is but if its not oh well. as long as im entertained. its all a matter of opinion anyways.

[Lostie!]

As much as I love BBUS, Dan's "funeral" made me cringe so much! :o

[Jezzy]

As much as I love BBUS, Dan's "funeral" made me cringe so much! :o

Ah, but it was a masterstroke :)

I just prefer the format of BBUS > BBUK...the last two BBUK (non-celeb) series, I have just failed to become engaged at all.

[Macie Lightfoot]

As much as I love BBUS, Dan's "funeral" made me cringe so much! :o

All the **** Dan does is cringe. I long for for a world where we could all forget about the veto roulette.

[Bluerang1]

All the **** Dan does is cringe. I long for for a world where we could all forget about the veto roulette.

The world needs more of you.

[BBfanUSA]

5 basically has a USA only channel correct? Maybe they should show BBUSA on that channel or 5*.

[Slevin]

As much as I love BBUS, Dan's "funeral" made me cringe so much! :o
lol yea. i was face palming watching that on the feeds but it worked.

[Shaun]

I just watched that and before I talk about it let me confess I'm a total BBUS n00b :tongue: I watched bits of one series... the one that was broadcast in the UK for a while on E4? I think it was BB8? Not sure, anyway.

I like the whole tactical side of it compared to the UK version, and the idea of the public having little influence over who goes and stays is nice, but after watching that video... it was impossible to relate to any of them? Maybe the game's so highly evolved and concentrated on but it just drained all humanity out of anything I just watched LOL. Like I can see that this is apparently a masterplan pulled off by Dan and I believed Danielle's reaction to be genuine, but the blinking incredulousness of the rest of the HGs just baffled me.

I dunno, I'm only commenting on this because it compares BBUK to this, and I in no way am in a position to judge a whole show on one episode LOL, but I didn't really feel entertained by that. They all act quite OTT (seriously, their reactions to the funeral, rofl) and I just couldn't find anything enjoyable about it.

[LemonJam]

I just watched that and before I talk about it let me confess I'm a total BBUS n00b :tongue: I watched bits of one series... the one that was broadcast in the UK for a while on E4? I think it was BB8? Not sure, anyway.

I like the whole tactical side of it compared to the UK version, and the idea of the public having little influence over who goes and stays is nice, but after watching that video... it was impossible to relate to any of them? Maybe the game's so highly evolved and concentrated on but it just drained all humanity out of anything I just watched LOL. Like I can see that this is apparently a masterplan pulled off by Dan and I believed Danielle's reaction to be genuine, but the blinking incredulousness of the rest of the HGs just baffled me.

I dunno, I'm only commenting on this because it compares BBUK to this, and I in no way am in a position to judge a whole show on one episode LOL, but I didn't really feel entertained by that. They all act quite OTT (seriously, their reactions to the funeral, rofl) and I just couldn't find anything enjoyable about it.

I completely agree with this actually and it's why I much prefer earlier seasons where you got proper insight into everyone's decisions. For example in Big Brother 2 (I'll spoiler the rest in case people want to watch it in future :p)

Krista's eviction week. Everybody realised she was a huge threat in the game but at the same time, most of them (particularly Bunky) were struggling with the fact they'd be voting out a single mother which financial troubles. Will struggled with the idea he'd be voting out his best friend's (Boogie's) showmance, whom he vowed to protect. Monica showed hatred that her and her best friend being targetted by people they thought were on their side and Nicole and Hardy were seen as these horrible people for putting up the single mother but you saw insight into their thought process.

At the end of that series you really felt like you learnt about 12 complex, interesting characters whereas in this series you look at who's remaining and you have no REAL connection with them because you haven't really been able to relate with them on any personal level. I know that they love casting "cut-throat" people, but it'd be much more interesting if they got a good mix of people who weren't so ruthless with the game as well.

[SharkAttack]

I completely agree with this actually and it's why I much prefer earlier seasons where you got proper insight into everyone's decisions. For example in Big Brother 2 (I'll spoiler the rest in case people want to watch it in future :p)

At the end of that series you really felt like you learnt about 12 complex, interesting characters whereas in this series you look at who's remaining and you have no REAL connection with them because you haven't really been able to relate with them on any personal level. I know that they love casting "cut-throat" people, but it'd be much more interesting if they got a good mix of people who weren't so ruthless with the game as well.

I've noticed that over the past 3-4 seasons they've gotten well away from getting to know the actual characters of the show on the highlights shows. Like most and yourself, I loved season 2 more than any of the others. I will say that the only way to get the full experience of the US show these days is to stay tuned to the live feeds, where you do get to know the people and sort of grow with them, but it's very time consuming. The HL shows are total crap, imho.