So it's meant to be hard getting a job....???!!!!

[Pyramid*]

I have always said that if you want (hard enough) to work and want a job: you will get one - and if you want to work: you will chose the avenues available that will source work for you. I'm very pleased to have been proven correct on this one.

Myself and no less than 5 others that I worked with - within weeks of being given notice of impending redundancies - each and every one of us secured new employment even before our final working day.

Not one of us had to downgrade either on position/ renumeration /package: in fact, every one of us found employment which included higher salaries and better Company benefits than we had - after only one interview each - and all with different companies.

so please... someone care to explain to me why there are those in society who bleat on about it being so hard to get work - or work that pays well.... because from the evidence I've seen over the past few weeks: getting a new job is far from difficult.

:conf:

[thesheriff443]

I have always said that if you want (hard enough) to work and want a job: you will get one - and if you want to work: you will chose the avenues available that will source work for you. I'm very pleased to have been proven correct on this one.

Myself and no less than 5 others that I worked with - within weeks of being given notice of impending redundancies - each and every one of us secured new employment even before our final working day.

Not one of us had to downgrade either on position/ renumeration /package: in fact, every one of us found employment which included higher salaries and better Company benefits than we had - after only one interview each - and all with different companies.

so please... someone care to explain to me why there are those in society who bleat on about it being so hard to get work - or work that pays well.... because from the evidence I've seen over the past few weeks: getting a new job is far from difficult.

:conf:

so you lot went from working at burger king to mcdonalds!
good for you!

[_Seth]

What job did you all have a now? Maybe you're in an area which is recruiting lots.

[Marc]

What job did you have

[Jake.]

I applied for my job on a Monday, was given my induction in less than a week :D

[Kazanne]

I have always said that if you want (hard enough) to work and want a job: you will get one - and if you want to work: you will chose the avenues available that will source work for you. I'm very pleased to have been proven correct on this one.

Myself and no less than 5 others that I worked with - within weeks of being given notice of impending redundancies - each and every one of us secured new employment even before our final working day.

Not one of us had to downgrade either on position/ renumeration /package: in fact, every one of us found employment which included higher salaries and better Company benefits than we had - after only one interview each - and all with different companies.

so please... someone care to explain to me why there are those in society who bleat on about it being so hard to get work - or work that pays well.... because from the evidence I've seen over the past few weeks: getting a new job is far from difficult.

:conf:

Some people just don't want to work Pyramid,there is always work if you really want it:xyxwave:

[Lee.]

I've always managed to get a job when needed Pyramid.. I think a lot of people are either too lazy or look at some jobs as beneath them.

U do believe I'd you keep an open mind and are willing to try new things, most people could get a job. The first time I was made redundant, the job centre offered me an opportunity with the local council...as a grasscutter, and I was happy enough to give it a try. Thankfully something else came up but tbh, it was a job and I would have been quite happy donning a nice pair of dungarees and giving it a shot! :)

[Jake.]

I've always managed to get a job when needed Pyramid.. I think a lot of people are either too lazy or look at some jobs as beneath them.

U do believe I'd you keep an open mind and are willing to try new things, most people could get a job. The first time I was made redundant, the job centre offered me an opportunity with the local council...as a grasscutter, and I was happy enough to give it a try. Thankfully something else came up but tbh, it was a job and I would have been quite happy donning a nice pair of dungarees and giving it a shot! :)

:love:

[Pyramid*]

so you lot went from working at burger king to mcdonalds!
good for you!

Weans still playing at being weans eh.... you do realise this is in the serious discussion part of the forum? I'd be very grateful if you took your fishing line elsewhere and stopped the obvious baiting. It's rather mundane and very transparent. Thanks.

What job did you all have a now? Maybe you're in an area which is recruiting lots.

Logistics. Jobs secured: Regional Logistics Manager /Logistics Coordinators / Specialist administrator / Branch Quality Manager... we all secured very different roles within Logistics from roles we held before.


What job did you have

Previously Branch Manager. Logistics. New role: Branch Quality Manager

I applied for my job on a Monday, was given my induction in less than a week :D

Someone else who found it far from difficult, great stuff. :D

Some people just don't want to work Pyramid,there is always work if you really want it:xyxwave:

I do have to agree Kaz. We could all hang around waiting for our ideal preferred job to land on our lap - I'd call that pretty soul destroying (and well as limiting as far as 'living life' goes too).

I've always managed to get a job when needed Pyramid.. I think a lot of people are either too lazy or look at some jobs as beneath them.

U do believe I'd you keep an open mind and are willing to try new things, most people could get a job. The first time I was made redundant, the job centre offered me an opportunity with the local council...as a grasscutter, and I was happy enough to give it a try. Thankfully something else came up but tbh, it was a job and I would have been quite happy donning a nice pair of dungarees and giving it a shot! :)

I agree: I think some do have the ''it's beneath me'' attitude.

I was fully prepared to sign up for temping work of whatever nature - was fully accepting that it might take a few months of mundane work to keep active and earning - regardless - so pleased it worked out so much better - it's the fact that all of my crew found work in different places so quickly - so easily. I find it difficult to take seriously those who say there are no jobs, or they cannot get them. :conf:

[lostalex]

why would anyone want a job?

[Kizzy]

Lucky old you, to suggest those who cannot find work don't want to work is ridiculous though imo..
If your area of education and experience is retail for example the recession has changed the face of the high street.
Those who were managers in these fields are having to re-train in a different fields or take a large pay cut in lower paid positions.
With a morgage, kids, a car an utilities how viable is this situation?

[Lee.]

why would anyone want a job?

To make money?

[Pyramid*]

Lucky old you, to suggest those who cannot find work don't want to work is ridiculous though imo..
If your area of education and experience is retail for example the recession has changed the face of the high street.
Those who were managers in these fields are having to re-train in a different fields or take a large pay cut in lower paid positions.
With a morgage, kids, a car an utilities how viable is this situation?


yeah... there are no shops open anymore Kizzy,no where for consumers to buy anything anymore.. No vacancies within the retail sector at all. None. Zero. Nada... is this what you are trying to say? Perhaps Scotland has more shops that down south (though I seriously doubt it).

The retail sector is vast - huge. You do realise that shops exist out of the 'high street' only? Perhaps this is the very point: that some want only jobs 'in the high street' , right on their doorstep, all the want on my terms only or I don't want the job mentality.

People re-train if they have a want to do that - to secure other positions. In the interim: they don't shy away and keep signing on - they get off their arses, sign up with temping agencies and take work that is available - which also gives a chance for a foot in the door with various companies, as well as opportunities to experience other work sectors. It's not rocket science.

It is however, a real WANT to work - that's my opinion. I have a mortgage, a car, utilities and pets........ so it's very viable and having those responsibilities does not restrict a job hunter - if anything: I'd say that was more motivational than having your council house rent paid for you, and not having to worry about financing the upkeep of a car etc...

I did not have to retrain in a different field , nor did I have to take a pay cut. Neither did those others that I have mentioned either.

[Pyramid*]

why would anyone want a job?

It's that little thing known as self respect and not wishing to sponge off others...... to have money to do things other than sit in a house all day. ;)

[MTVN]

Well there's about 400,000 vacancies in the UK and 2.6 million unemployed, that's 6 people for each available job.. of course you might get lucky and be able to go straight back into work, on the other hand it's entirely possible you will really struggle to find a job no matter how many applications you send off

[Pyramid*]

Well there's about 400,000 vacancies in the UK and 2.6 million unemployed, that's 6 people for each available job.. of course you might get lucky and be able to go straight back into work, on the other hand it's entirely possible you will really struggle to find a job no matter how many applications you send off


by your analysis then .... after 6 applications: one should be able to secure a job.

Not that difficult as I said then. :)

Bearing in mind: there is a certain percentage of those 2.6 million unemployed who have the same attitude as LostAlex.... :D so they can be discounted as real job hunters. :D

[MTVN]

by your analysis then .... after 6 applications: one should be able to secure a job.

Not that difficult as I said then. :)

Bearing in mind: there is a certain percentage of those 2.6 million unemployed who have the same attitude as LostAlex.... :D so they can be discounted as real job hunters. :D

Not really

[Lee.]

Well there's about 400,000 vacancies in the UK and 2.6 million unemployed, that's 6 people for each available job.. of course you might get lucky and be able to go straight back into work, on the other hand it's entirely possible you will really struggle to find a job no matter how many applications you send off

I'll bet though that there is a big percentage of those 2.6 million people who have absolutely no intention of ever ever looking for a job.. We've all got them hanging about our town centres with their tracksuits on and their double prams. So long as the government pays them and supplies them with a house, they will never bother to get a job...

[Kizzy]

yeah... there are no shops open anymore Kizzy,no where for consumers to buy anything anymore.. No vacancies within the retail sector at all. None. Zero. Nada... is this what you are trying to say? Perhaps Scotland has more shops that down south (though I seriously doubt it).

The retail sector is vast - huge. You do realise that shops exist out of the 'high street' only? Perhaps this is the very point: that some want only jobs 'in the high street' , right on their doorstep, all the want on my terms only or I don't want the job mentality.

People re-train if they have a want to do that - to secure other positions. In the interim: they don't shy away and keep signing on - they get off their arses, sign up with temping agencies and take work that is available - which also gives a chance for a foot in the door with various companies, as well as opportunities to experience other work sectors. It's not rocket science.

It is however, a real WANT to work - that's my opinion. I have a mortgage, a car, utilities and pets........ so it's very viable and having those responsibilities does not restrict a job hunter - if anything: I'd say that was more motivational than having your council house rent paid for you, and not having to worry about financing the upkeep of a car etc...

I did not have to retrain in a different field , nor did I have to take a pay cut. Neither did those others that I have mentioned either.

No, it is not what I am trying to say at all. I was referring to the use of online sales via amazon and argos that has forced the closure of many retail outlets in ALL major cities.

By the 'high street' I meant in our towns and cities not in a literal sense 'on the doorstep'.

I commented that some have to re-train, I am aware that option is not 'rocket science' but to retrain in other vocations costs time and money...Where would this come from with a vastly reduced income?

Are you suggesting it is only those in social housing without a car that do not have the motivation to work?

As I said lucky old you... there are 1000's that do pyramid.

[lostalex]

To make money?

That's wanting money, not a job. Big difference.

[Lee.]

That's wanting money, not a job. Big difference.

You work though don't you? If you don't, how do you make money... if that'd not too nosey :)

[lostalex]

You work though don't you? If you don't, how do you make money... if that'd not too nosey :)


I have worked in the past, sporadically. I have an anxiety disorder though, so havn't worked in a while. I'm fortunate enough to have a father that is well educated about psychiatric illness and is able to provide for me, so i don't have to rely on any kind of government support.

I know that many people don't have families that understand mental health and/or cannot provide that kind of support, so i do think that the government should provide for people like that.

[Pyramid*]

Not really

yes really.

As I said: 6 people for every job. Equates to one job for every 6 job hunts - and then you can minus the amount of people who simply have no desire to work.

No, it is not what I am trying to say at all. I was referring to the use of online sales via amazon and argos that has forced the closure of many retail outlets in ALL major cities.

By the 'high street' I meant in our towns and cities not in a literal sense 'on the doorstep'.

I commented that some have to re-train, I am aware that option is not 'rocket science' but to retrain in other vocations costs time and money...Where would this come from with a vastly reduced income?

Are you suggesting it is only those in social housing without a car that do not have the motivation to work?

As I said lucky old you... there are 1000's that do pyramid.

The way you put it across Kizzy, you'd think that there was no retail trade in existence anymore. I do wonder where you live that there appears to be no retailers or shops in our towns and cities.

Where do you buy your food, your groceries, your clothing, where do you pay your utlity bills, birthday gifts, christmas presents, your alcohol, your toiletries, personal items?

You appear to have some misplaced notion that online retailing means resourced without humans.... who do you think processes online orders, who receives stock in, bays in and out, does audits, picks, packs, uplifts, delivers, deals with queries, deals with damages and faulty goods, processes payments, refunds etc? Online machinery doesn't do that... humans do.

Perhaps your idea of working in the retail sector is limited to being in a customer facing role only? Very limiting I'd say.

Retraining costs time and money and you ask how that is viable? . How much time do the unemployed have on their hands .... plenty ... so that's not exactly a hardship to spend time retraining when they are not working 9 or so hours a day. thus very viable.

who says courses have to cost money - that's very much dependant on what people want to retrain in. Courses are available free of charge, even foc online.

And of course: the unemployed can be smart and 'retrain' by taking agency work in areas that they don't previously have experience in.... and they can learn new work whilst being paid for it at the same time.

It's all to do with the will to want - rather than 'expecting' it to arrive on doorsteps.

I do wonder how many temping jobs or agencies people actually signn up with - not in an attempt to pretend to be looking - but with real gusto and being prepared to take on temporary work.

[Pyramid*]

why would anyone want a job?

I have worked in the past, sporadically. I have an anxiety disorder though, so havn't worked in a while. I'm fortunate enough to have a father that is well educated about psychiatric illness and is able to provide for me, so i don't have to rely on any kind of government support.

I know that many people don't have families that understand mental health and/or cannot provide that kind of support, so i do think that the government should provide for people like that.


Regardless of your own psychiatric position: you clearly have no will or want to work as you stated in your first post - which proves my point: there are people out there such as yourself (regardless of mental capacity) who simply are happy to live off others - even if it is a family member.

Personally, I have more respect for myself (as well as others I may add) rather than expect and want them to fund my and my life..

[lostalex]

Regardless of your own psychiatric position: you clearly have no will or want to work as you stated in your first post - which proves my point: there are people out there such as yourself (regardless of mental capacity) who simply are happy to live off others - even if it is a family member.

Personally, I have more respect for myself (as well as others I may add) rather than expect and want them to fund my and my life..

no, I would love to work and have a CAREER and provide for myself.

Taking any old JOB that you can get, i don't think anyone wants that. Obviously everyone wants and needs money though. I was pointing out that just because you CAN get a job doesn't mean that you WANT to get a job, and just because you HAVE a JOB, doesn't mean that it's always worth it, especially since a lot of these JOBS you are talking about don't even pay a living wage or provide any kind of decent lifestyle that makes it worth the miserable work.

A lot of the JOBS you are talking about them being able to get are just JOBS, and offer no CAREER potential at all. so they are a waste of time. People don't want a JOB, they want a CAREER.

[Tom4784]

There's a world of difference between your situation Pyramid and the situation facing the largest demographic of the unemployed which is the younger folk just fresh out of Education and looking for that first job.

It's a cruel circle for younger people at the moment because a lot of places require experience but there's few opportunities to gain any since most employers will opt for someone with experience rather then a fresh candidate. The typical first job roles are highly competitive and there's few opportunities for the more specialised careers.

On the other hand you've probably been working for years and have a wealth of experience and references to back it up. Your situation is incomparable to that of younger people in this economical climate.

[Scarlett.]

I have always said that if you want (hard enough) to work and want a job: you will get one - and if you want to work: you will chose the avenues available that will source work for you. I'm very pleased to have been proven correct on this one.

Myself and no less than 5 others that I worked with - within weeks of being given notice of impending redundancies - each and every one of us secured new employment even before our final working day.

Not one of us had to downgrade either on position/ renumeration /package: in fact, every one of us found employment which included higher salaries and better Company benefits than we had - after only one interview each - and all with different companies.

so please... someone care to explain to me why there are those in society who bleat on about it being so hard to get work - or work that pays well.... because from the evidence I've seen over the past few weeks: getting a new job is far from difficult.

:conf:

What happens to people fresh out of school with no experience? It's all well and good saying you and your workmates found new jobs, but you probably have a lot more on your CVs than some young school leaver.

I actually have a job btw, I just think its a little unfair claiming that its so easy to get a job.

[Lee.]

There's a world of difference between your situation Pyramid and the situation facing the largest demographic of the unemployed which is the younger folk just fresh out of Education and looking for that first job.

It's a cruel circle for younger people at the moment because a lot of places require experience but there's few opportunities to gain any since most employers will opt for someone with experience rather then a fresh candidate. The typical first job roles are highly competitive and there's few opportunities for the more specialised careers.

On the other hand you've probably been working for years and have a wealth of experience and references to back it up. Your situation is incomparable to that of younger people in this economical climate.

Yeah, this is a good point actually.

[Kizzy]

yes really.

As I said: 6 people for every job. Equates to one job for every 6 job hunts - and then you can minus the amount of people who simply have no desire to work.



The way you put it across Kizzy, you'd think that there was no retail trade in existence anymore. I do wonder where you live that there appears to be no retailers or shops in our towns and cities.

Where do you buy your food, your groceries, your clothing, where do you pay your utlity bills, birthday gifts, christmas presents, your alcohol, your toiletries, personal items?

You appear to have some misplaced notion that online retailing means resourced without humans.... who do you think processes online orders, who receives stock in, bays in and out, does audits, picks, packs, uplifts, delivers, deals with queries, deals with damages and faulty goods, processes payments, refunds etc? Online machinery doesn't do that... humans do.

Perhaps your idea of working in the retail sector is limited to being in a customer facing role only? Very limiting I'd say.

Retraining costs time and money and you ask how that is viable? . How much time do the unemployed have on their hands .... plenty ... so that's not exactly a hardship to spend time retraining when they are not working 9 or so hours a day. thus very viable.

who says courses have to cost money - that's very much dependant on what people want to retrain in. Courses are available free of charge, even foc online.

And of course: the unemployed can be smart and 'retrain' by taking agency work in areas that they don't previously have experience in.... and they can learn new work whilst being paid for it at the same time.

It's all to do with the will to want - rather than 'expecting' it to arrive on doorsteps.

I do wonder how many temping jobs or agencies people actually signn up with - not in an attempt to pretend to be looking - but with real gusto and being prepared to take on temporary work.

There is obviously, I meant that there are other means to access goods and services now is all..

Online....

Call centers and warehouse staff to replace a skilled retail sector eh?..great

Seeing as we are discussing the 'high street' I would say that includes customer facing roles yes.

childcare and travel costs? time is not the only constraint.

Is childcare while you are unemployed to attend these courses also free?

Work for your benefits?...Makes you wonder how there are any jobs doesen't it...if you have the unemployed taking the positions of people who REALLY want to work :conf:

Where do you get the notion that those who are not in work DON'T want to work?...I cannot understand your thinking here pyra honestly.

[Tom4784]

Retail's incredibly competitive at the moment since it's everyone's go to option. I remember being told by an advisor around a year ago not to bother with retail unless you have experience since Entry level jobs in the sector are just heavily applied for by everyone and more often then not it tends to be a matter of luck getting a job a shop.

That might only apply to my area though since Retail is definitely the main work option where I live.

[Lee.]

Retail's incredibly competitive at the moment since it's everyone's go to option. I remember being told by an advisor around a year ago not to bother with retail unless you have experience since Entry level jobs in the sector are just heavily applied for by everyone and more often then not it tends to be a matter of luck getting a job a shop.

That might only apply to my area though since Retail is definitely the main work option where I live.
I think the answer is to literally take any job you can get... even if it is just a 3 hour stint on a Saturday night waiting on tables... at least then you can claim to have experience in customer, service, cash handling, housekeeping duties etc :)

[Kizzy]

I think the answer is to literally take any job you can get... even if it is just a 3 hour stint on a Saturday night waiting on tables... at least then you can claim to have experience in customer, service, cash handling, housekeeping duties etc :)

If you have no ties and transport then yes.

[lostalex]

I blame China.

[Kizzy]

I blame dave

[arista]

"It's a cruel circle for younger people at the moment "


Yes Dezzy
some are doing well
many are not in some places.
(thats been like that for to many years)

[Pyramid*]

no, I would love to work and have a CAREER and provide for myself.

Taking any old JOB that you can get, i don't think anyone wants that. Obviously everyone wants and needs money though. I was pointing out that just because you CAN get a job doesn't mean that you WANT to get a job, and just because you HAVE a JOB, doesn't mean that it's always worth it, especially since a lot of these JOBS you are talking about don't even pay a living wage or provide any kind of decent lifestyle that makes it worth the miserable work.

A lot of the JOBS you are talking about them being able to get are just JOBS, and offer no CAREER potential at all. so they are a waste of time. People don't want a JOB, they want a CAREER.

Your very first quote on this thread completely contradicts your change of stance.

A career can only come through having a job and starting off - that's a very good way start to build on a that and decide if that's the career you may want.

There's a world of difference between your situation Pyramid and the situation facing the largest demographic of the unemployed which is the younger folk just fresh out of Education and looking for that first job.

It's a cruel circle for younger people at the moment because a lot of places require experience but there's few opportunities to gain any since most employers will opt for someone with experience rather then a fresh candidate. The typical first job roles are highly competitive and there's few opportunities for the more specialised careers.

On the other hand you've probably been working for years and have a wealth of experience and references to back it up. Your situation is incomparable to that of younger people in this economical climate.

I don't disagree with you in all fairness Dezzy - there is some validation to what you've said but I never at any point said my situation was comparible (or not) to those far younger than I.

I also made clear reference to several others that I worked with who also gained employment very quickly ...... a few of them being in their early twenties (23) , some in their 30's and old me in my late 40's - I'd say that was a good all round example. However, there are plenty of people who aren't just out of education, who do have experience for plenty of jobs that could suit them - if they so wanted - as I've explained.

What happens to people fresh out of school with no experience? It's all well and good saying you and your workmates found new jobs, but you probably have a lot more on your CVs than some young school leaver.

I actually have a job btw, I just think its a little unfair claiming that its so easy to get a job.

See above - I don't necessarily disagree in respect of immediate school leavers etc: but again: it depends on how keen the person is to work - ie: work to start with regardless if it's what they intend to keep doing - or take some work to look for their preferred option in the interim.

I think it is fair to say it is so easy to get a job - when I and others in the same boat as me all managed to obtain new positions within a few short weeks. As far as I have experience only last month - 5 people all being made redundant - all secured other postion very quickly: that's the reality of it - so I am guided by has actually happened.

There is obviously, I meant that there are other means to access goods and services now is all..

Online....

Call centers and warehouse staff to replace a skilled retail sector eh?..great

Seeing as we are discussing the 'high street' I would say that includes customer facing roles yes.

childcare and travel costs? time is not the only constraint.

Is childcare while you are unemployed to attend these courses also free?

Work for your benefits?...Makes you wonder how there are any jobs doesen't it...if you have the unemployed taking the positions of people who REALLY want to work :conf:

Where do you get the notion that those who are not in work DON'T want to work?...I cannot understand your thinking here pyra honestly.

You may be discussing the 'high street' Kizzy... I am not - retail does not mean 'high street' only.

You do realise Kizzy the amount of people who work, who have children who require childcare, and do not have their own mode of transport - there are tens of thousands who are able to have children, no car and work. It doesn't hamper them any in finding work.


Skilled retail sector?? ...:conf: Perhaps if you expanded on what particular 'specialist retail skills' that you are referring to that make it so very difficult to secure employment with such a sector? It must be highly specialised that it invalidates all possible other invovlment within the retail world. :conf: Or does this revert back to what I mentioned earlier in the thread in general: about people who are unemployed - just being far too selective, being far too fussy in the type of work they are prepared to do? It's a valid question.

Retail's incredibly competitive at the moment since it's everyone's go to option. I remember being told by an advisor around a year ago not to bother with retail unless you have experience since Entry level jobs in the sector are just heavily applied for by everyone and more often then not it tends to be a matter of luck getting a job a shop.

That might only apply to my area though since Retail is definitely the main work option where I live.

Something may be competitive but that does not make it elusive or exclusive. The old thing of Saturday jobs / weekend work being a great starting point to gain experience with people, in customer facing roles, handling cash, stock etc is as valuable a training (and earning) role - now as much as it was when I first began work. I began my working life in retail - in the bill collection counter in my local electricity shop..... moved on from taking money from people paying their electricity bills to being offered full time work and so it continued - all from a Saturday job.

If you have no ties and transport then yes.

I fail to see how having children and no transport prevents a person from working - it does not stop thousands upon thousands of others from getting work - perhaps you can explain how all of those thousands of others manage to work with no car and children. :conf:

[InOne]

Well, Scotland might be totally different for getting a job. The UK is vastly different in terms of job prospects. It's basically the area you live in and who you know.

[Pyramid*]

Well, Scotland might be totally different for getting a job. The UK is vastly different in terms of job prospects. It's basically the area you live in and who you know.

You think so? I don't.


I'll be working for a company that I know no one in. So too are 3 of my other ex-colleagues.

As for geographical area: not so either: given that we are spread out over various parts of the country - East & west Lothian, Lanarkshire, Aberdeen and region covering Newcastle to Birmingham - it's certainly not tied down to one area.

[Kizzy]

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You may be discussing the 'high street' Kizzy... I am not - retail does not mean 'high street' only.

You do realise Kizzy the amount of people who work, who have children who require childcare, and do not have their own mode of transport - there are tens of thousands who are able to have children, no car and work. It doesn't hamper them any in finding work.


Specialist retail skills. Perhaps if you expanded on what particular 'specialist retail skills' that you are referring to that make it so very difficult to secure employment with such a sector? It must be highly specialised that it invalidates all possible other invovlment within the retail world. Or does this revert back to what I mentioned earlier in the thread in general: about people who are unemployed - just being far too selective, being far too fussy in the type of work they are prepared to do? It's a valid question.

I raised the issue of retail, suggesting that online retail had affected the high street and customer facing roles in the retail sector. :conf:

On the flip side it affects many in regard to where, when and how long they work.

I never mentioned 'specialist retail skills' I reffered to a skilled retail sector..You may be confused?

And here we are again, it's like a merry go round. If you are skilled in a field and your position, status and salary are removed would it not be understandable to look for a similar position in your area of experience to maintain your current needs?

QUOTE:
I fail to see how having children and no transport prevents a person from working - it does not stop thousands upon thousands of others from getting work - perhaps you can explain how all of those thousands of others manage to work with no car and children

This was my reply to lee and the suggestion that someone may work for 3 hours on a saturday night.... For many this is not a viable option due to having to pay sitters and travel costs, meaning you would be basically working for nothing...

[InOne]

You think so? I don't.


I'll be working for a company that I know no one in. So too are 3 of my other ex-colleagues.

As for geographical area: not so either: given that we are spread out over various parts of the country - East & west Lothian, Lanarkshire, Aberdeen and region covering Newcastle to Birmingham - it's certainly not tied down to one area.

I wasn't on about one company though I meant jobs and opportunites in general. And if definitely does depend on the area in that respect, you can't deny that.

[Lee.]

If you have no ties and transport then yes.

I was talking about schooleavers who can't get a job through lack of experience. Dizzy was saying that that is the biggest problem when it comes to young uns looking for work.

Incidentally, to the young uns on here who are maybe struggling; Next take on young staff with no experience and provide an extensive training programme. At first you may find that you are only given an 8 hour contract, but if you appear keen and hard working, it is a good company to work your way up the ladder in. :)

[Pyramid*]

QUOTE:
You may be discussing the 'high street' Kizzy... I am not - retail does not mean 'high street' only.

You do realise Kizzy the amount of people who work, who have children who require childcare, and do not have their own mode of transport - there are tens of thousands who are able to have children, no car and work. It doesn't hamper them any in finding work.


Specialist retail skills. Perhaps if you expanded on what particular 'specialist retail skills' that you are referring to that make it so very difficult to secure employment with such a sector? It must be highly specialised that it invalidates all possible other invovlment within the retail world. Or does this revert back to what I mentioned earlier in the thread in general: about people who are unemployed - just being far too selective, being far too fussy in the type of work they are prepared to do? It's a valid question.

I raised the issue of retail, suggesting that online retail had affected the high street and customer facing roles in the retail sector. :conf:

On the flip side it affects many in regard to where, when and how long they work.

I never mentioned 'specialist retail skills' I reffered to a skilled retail sector..You may be confused?

And here we are again, it's like a merry go round. If you are skilled in a field and your position, status and salary are removed would it not be understandable to look for a similar position in your area of experience to maintain your current needs?

QUOTE:
I fail to see how having children and no transport prevents a person from working - it does not stop thousands upon thousands of others from getting work - perhaps you can explain how all of those thousands of others manage to work with no car and children

This was my reply to lee and the suggestion that someone may work for 3 hours on a saturday night.... For many this is not a viable option due to having to pay sitters and travel costs, meaning you would be basically working for nothing...


too much going on in that post Kizzy with quotes out of synch, bolds, colours.....

I'll ask you again since you have avoided providing an answer. 'Skilled retail sector''.. the words you have chosen to use. What precise skills are so exclusive within the retail sector that make getting a job within such a huge sector - difficult? What do you regard as being the requirements of someone in the 'skilled retail sector'. Which skills in particular? I'm very interested to learn what you regard as such special skills: enlighten me, please.

the last part in red ...... proves what I have said: you are using this 'no car, no baby sitters' as an excuse for people not working. If they wanted to work: they would get around such things: in the same way a many thousands of others do. Indeed part time / evening / weekend work often suits parents of younger children - because they CAN find babysitters far more easily via friends / family etc.

I wasn't on about one company though I meant jobs and opportunites in general. And if definitely does depend on the area in that respect, you can't deny that.

I'm not meaning one company either. We all found work in different companies as I said in my very eary posts. f

[Me. I Am Salman]

My brother got his degree last year in Maths & Finance (I think it's that) at a Russell Group University, yet he still hasn't got a job. It is difficult.

[Kizzy]

too much going on in that post Kizzy with quotes out of synch, bolds, colours.....

I'll ask you again since you have avoided providing an answer. 'Skilled retail sector''.. the words you have chosen to use. What precise skills are so exclusive within the retail sector that make getting a job within such a huge sector - difficult? What do you regard as being the requirements of someone in the 'skilled retail sector'. Which skills in particular? I'm very interested to learn what you regard as such special skills: enlighten me, please.

the last part in red ...... proves what I have said: you are using this 'no car, no baby sitters' as an excuse for people not working. If they wanted to work: they would get around such things: in the same way a many thousands of others do. Indeed part time / evening / weekend work often suits parents of younger children - because they CAN find babysitters far more easily via friends / family etc.



I'm not meaning one company either. We all found work in different companies as I said in my very eary posts. f

I know haha it does look a bit odd, nevermind eh?
I haven't avoided giving you an answer pyra, the 'skilled retail sector' means just that those whose quals are in this sector,retail management, customer service..
It most certainly doesen't prove what you have said at all...:conf:
It is in no way an excuse..As lee clarified she was using that evening/ weekend example for school leavers, my saying it would be unworkable for parents is valid as your wage would be swallowed up with sitters and travel costs.
Unfortunately I never found my friends and family that accomodating..Not to give up their evenings and weekends indefinately anyway.
I am aware you have all found work and I am very happy for you all, however my initial point was, and still is it is not that easy for everyone.

[Z]

As a young person I think it can be very difficult to get your foot in the door - a lot of places that are willing to hire young people will only hire those who have had previous experience in that field of work - so for example, how are you to get experience working in retail if you've never worked in retail, and places will only hire you if you've had experience in retail? It's a problem that goes round in circles. I'm currently hunting for part time work now that I'm back at uni and I'm struggling so far - all my work experience has been in offices or working in a school - neither of which are particularly relevant to pulling pints or selling clothes, y'know?

[Saph]

I've never had a job and I don't really want one either.. I'd like money but i'm far to self conscious to work in public and would never work somewhere that I thought was 'beneath' me incase anyone I knew saw me. Schools should really be teaching about different jobs, I never knew about jobs that could be done at home, when you leave school it seems like the only options are working in shops/restaurants etc

(i'm not saying shops/restaurants are beneath me :p)

[Iceman]

Older people have more experience than the younger generation. I know from personal experience that older people get jobs ahead of younger ones. Quite simple really.

[Vanessa]

I agree. If you have no experience it's a lot harder to find a job. Sometimes it's a language barrier. My brother in law has lots of experience and qualifications in IT. But he can't find a job because his english isn't good enough. :(

[Pyramid*]

I know haha it does look a bit odd, nevermind eh?

I haven't avoided giving you an answer pyra, the 'skilled retail sector'
means just that those whose quals are in this sector,retail management, customer service..

It most certainly doesen't prove what you have said at all...:conf:

It is in no way an excuse..As lee clarified she was using that evening/ weekend example for school leavers, my saying it would be unworkable for parents is valid as your wage would be swallowed up with sitters and travel costs.

Unfortunately I never found my friends and family that accomodating..Not to give up their evenings and weekends indefinately anyway.

I am aware you have all found work and I am very happy for you all, however my initial point was, and still is it is not that easy for everyone.

I'm asking specifically what qualifications and experience you feel is needed to work in retail, that not having these said qualifications make it so prohibitive in finding employment. There are numerous levels of employment in retail - but you don't seem to be able to articulate what precisely those skills are that make it all so very difficult to get a job within that particular sector.

What are these skills that are so finely honed that makes it so difficult to find a job in retail? Learning to be polite to people, to listen to what they, the customer needs / wants/ is looking for , being helpful, saying 'please and thankyou', counting money are all part of growing up - none of which requires any real experience -it's basic common sense and courtesy - as is having an affinity with others: enjoying working with people. Those are more attributes than skills in my opinion. That's one part of retail that doesn't require any finely tuned skillset - so perhaps you can explain further what you mean.

From what you are saying about children/no transport: that to me sounds as though those people are chosing to raise children: rather than chosing to work. That's not quite the same thing.

I'm not saying it is easy for everyone : what I am saying is: it's not as difficult as some make it out to be. That's my view and we clearly disagree on it.

[Kizzy]

I agree. If you have no experience it's a lot harder to find a job. Sometimes it's a language barrier. My brother in law has lots of experience and qualifications in IT. But he can't find a job because his english isn't good enough. :(

The job centre may be able to help with an ESOL course?

[Vanessa]

The job centre may be able to help with an ESOL course?

He's been doing english courses and is improving a lot. Hopefully he'll find a job soon. :hugesmile:

[Pyramid*]

Older people have more experience than the younger generation. I know from personal experience that older people get jobs ahead of younger ones. Quite simple really.


Very much depends on the sector Iceman.

I think you'll find that the older generation have age against them in many cases: ageism is as much a blight for the older generation as it is for the younger generation.

[Pyramid*]

I've never had a job and I don't really want one either.. I'd like money but i'm far to self conscious to work in public and would never work somewhere that I thought was 'beneath' me incase anyone I knew saw me. Schools should really be teaching about different jobs, I never knew about jobs that could be done at home, when you leave school it seems like the only options are working in shops/restaurants etc

(i'm not saying shops/restaurants are beneath me :p)

ie; shops being the retail sector - the one place that people are saying it's so hard to get into. :conf:

There is not one thing wrong with working in shops / restaurants - we'd all be missing much if they didn't exist !

Many people start work in such places - it's a great starting place and it's these type of jobs that then show what areas an individual is particularly good at and allows for progression if they so wish.

[Kizzy]

ie; shops being the retail sector - the one place that people are saying it's so hard to get into. :conf:

There is not one thing wrong with working in shops / restaurants - we'd all be missing much if they didn't exist !

Many people start work in such places - it's a great starting place and it's these type of jobs that then show what areas an individual is particularly good at and allows for progression if they so wish.

Nobody said it was hard to get into :conf:

[Pyramid*]

If your area of education and experience is retail for example the recession has changed the face of the high street.

Those who were managers in these fields are having to re-train in a different fields or take a large pay cut in lower paid positions.


BIB above suggests that it is hard to find work in the retail field unless you are prepared to accept large pay cuts. I disagree.


Retail's incredibly competitive at the moment since it's everyone's go to option. I remember being told by an advisor around a year ago not to bother with retail unless you have experience since Entry level jobs in the sector are just heavily applied for by everyone and more often then not it tends to be a matter of luck getting a job a shop.

That might only apply to my area though since Retail is definitely the main work option where I live.

Dezzy appears to agree with my own thought that getting retail jobs is not that difficult: mostly due to saturation levels, yet we have another differing opinion below from Zee, that it is difficult to get into.


[/QUOTE]

As a young person I think it can be very difficult to get your foot in the door - a lot of places that are willing to hire young people will only hire those who have had previous experience in that field of work - so for example, how are you to get experience working in retail if you've never worked in retail, and places will only hire you if you've had experience in retail? It's a problem that goes round in circles. I'm currently hunting for part time work now that I'm back at uni and I'm struggling so far - all my work experience has been in offices or working in a school - neither of which are particularly relevant to pulling pints or selling clothes, y'know?

Nobody said it was hard to get into :conf:

The above posts, say differently depending on the view.

According to several posters (including your good self) - you can't get into retail - (either at all or at a certain level) unless you have experience or are prepared to drop grade... both of these indicate it is not an easy sector to gain employment..... yet now you are saying no one said it was hard to get into.

Getting a job within the retail sector I do not believe to be a difficult task.

[Kizzy]

BIB above suggests that it is hard to find work in the retail field unless you are prepared to accept large pay cuts. I disagree.




Dezzy appears to agree with my own thought that getting retail jobs is not that difficult: mostly due to saturation levels, yet we have another differing opinion below from Zee, that it is difficult to get into.








The above posts, say differently depending on the view.

According to several posters (including your good self) - you can't get into retail - (either at all or at a certain level) unless you have experience or are prepared to drop grade... both of these indicate it is not an easy sector to gain employment..... yet now you are saying no one said it was hard to get into.

Getting a job within the retail sector I do not believe to be a difficult task.[/QUOTE]

I have heard from many people that once made redundant at a retail management level it is hard to gain the same post at the same salary, wether you agree with this or not is irrelevant.
You took what I did say on the subject out of context.
Good for you.

[Pyramid*]

The above posts, say differently depending on the view.

According to several posters (including your good self) - you can't get into retail - (either at all or at a certain level) unless you have experience or are prepared to drop grade... both of these indicate it is not an easy sector to gain employment..... yet now you are saying no one said it was hard to get into.

Getting a job within the retail sector I do not believe to be a difficult task.


I have heard from many people that once made redundant at a retail management level it is hard to gain the same post at the same salary, wether you agree with this or not is irrelevant.

You took what I did say on the subject out of context.

Good for you
.

You have 'heard' ... ... not actually experienced - ...... I'm very perplexed then how you are in any position to offer any real validation of what you claim - given that you have not been affected by it - seeing as you have only 'heard'....


I have taken nothing that you have commented on, out of context. I've addressed any of your comments, firmly and head on and without deflection.


What's good for me?

[Tom4784]

Dezzy appears to agree with my own thought that getting retail jobs is not that difficult: mostly due to saturation levels, yet we have another differing opinion below from Zee, that it is difficult to get into.


Yes that post of mine does seem to agree with yours, as long as you disregard 80% of it and take the two points you highlighted out of context.

[Pyramid*]

Yes that post of mine does seem to agree with yours, as long as you disregard 80% of it and take the two points you highlighted out of context.

you were the one who said that it's the option that everyone in your town/city goes for Dezzy... jobs in retail. Nothing out of context: your post clearly says that's the preferred option that people go for: and it's difficult not because experience is needed; but because it's the choice everyoe goes for - thus saturation levels are reached: everyone going for the easy option where it is easy to find a job - in shops.

Not a thing wrong with that, but please: let's not have you attempting to backtrack because you happened to agree with me.

[Kizzy]

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You have 'heard' ... ... not actually experienced - ...... I'm very perplexed then how you are in any position to offer any real validation of what you claim - given that you have not been affected by it - seeing as you have only 'heard'....


I have taken nothing that you have commented on, out of context. I've addressed any of your comments, firmly and head on and without deflection.


What's good for me?

Oh... this is getting very boring now. I will not go over the same points for you pyra as I believe you are being deliberately obtuse.

[Tom4784]

you were the one who said that it's the option that everyone in your town/city goes for Dezzy... jobs in retail. Nothing out of context: your post clearly says that's the preferred option that people go for: and it's difficult not because experience is needed; but because it's the choice everyoe goes for - thus saturation levels are reached: everyone going for the easy option where it is easy to find a job - in shops.

Not a thing wrong with that, but please: let's not have you attempting to backtrack because you happened to agree with me.

Silly Pyramid, you're confusing the preferred option with being the easiest also you've obviously forgotten to read my post since I did mention that unless you have experience then it's difficult to get into retail since you will be cast aside for anyone with previous experience.

It's only easy to get a job in retail as a first job in the right circumstances, like if a company is doing a big recruitment drive or if a job falls under the radar, both of which can be rare.

So yes, retail jobs can be easy to get into in the right circumstances which your argument seems to hinge on but then again that's true for any job, even yours. You found a new job easily because the circumstances were right for you, you could have very well been out of work for a lot longer if things were even a tiny bit different but you were lucky that you managed to find something that fit your circumstances quickly. Not everyone is as lucky as you are and it does seem uncouth to judge an industry or a group of people just because they might not have the same circumstances as you.

[Pyramid*]

Silly Pyramid, you're confusing the preferred option with being the easiest also you've obviously forgotten to read my post since I did mention that unless you have experience then it's difficult to get into retail since you will be cast aside for anyone with previous experience.

It's only easy to get a job in retail as a first job in the right circumstances, like if a company is doing a big recruitment drive or if a job falls under the radar, both of which can be rare.

So yes, retail jobs can be easy to get into in the right circumstances which your argument seems to hinge on but then again that's true for any job, even yours. You found a new job easily because the circumstances were right for you, you could have very well been out of work for a lot longer if things were even a tiny bit different but you were lucky that you managed to find something that fit your circumstances quickly. Not everyone is as lucky as you are and it does seem uncouth to judge an industry or a group of people just because they might not have the same circumstances as you.

Still being the antagonist there Dezzy.... !!! LOL ...

Perhaps if you yourself paid more attention to what posters write Dezzy - you will see that I have (repeatedly) referred not only to MY situation, but to others than I also worked with: who are all at diffferent grades, some of whom are still in the first flush of working youth to the more experienced.

Seems a rather large coincedence that we all managed to get 'lucky'.... all got lucky with different companies, all doing different jobs at different grades and all got lucky at the same time, working in different geographical locations and all independently of each other . Hell of a coincedence eh.

Nothing to do with being uncouth: we are 'led to believe' that we are in a society whereby finding good employment is regarded as nigh impossible.

I see that you and others, very keenly skipped over my opening posts by which I stated that I personally was prepared to temp whilst awaiting better opportunities arising - forunately that did not have to be an avenue I had to follow. That's an alternative option to finding employment while still seeking one's preferred choice - perhaps some don't want to even consider such temp work - possibly because some may set their sights to high: or perhaps overvalue themselves. Who knows? Perhaps it's down to having the right attitude?

I've shown that it's not always the case that finding work is extremely difficult - not only in my own personal situation - but those who found themselves on the job hunt at the same time : and very quickly and successfully secured new jobs: and jobs in came with higher salaries... and it is on this premise that I make my points.

I am not saying some do no find it hard to find the ideal position - that is not in dispute - but I do wonder if there are those who simply are not prepared to accept anything that is not their absolute ideal - who are not willing to make any compromises - and then say "There's no jobs to be had".

[Redway]

I have always said that if you want (hard enough) to work and want a job: you will get one - and if you want to work: you will chose the avenues available that will source work for you. I'm very pleased to have been proven correct on this one.

Myself and no less than 5 others that I worked with - within weeks of being given notice of impending redundancies - each and every one of us secured new employment even before our final working day.

Not one of us had to downgrade either on position/ renumeration /package: in fact, every one of us found employment which included higher salaries and better Company benefits than we had - after only one interview each - and all with different companies.

so please... someone care to explain to me why there are those in society who bleat on about it being so hard to get work - or work that pays well.... because from the evidence I've seen over the past few weeks: getting a new job is far from difficult.

:conf:

BUT ... OTHER PEOPLE!

Saying you and all your five friends have jobs is not empirical evidence to then go on to say that it's supposed to be easy finding jobs. Completely anecdotal.

[Pyramid*]

BUT ... OTHER PEOPLE!

Saying you and all your five friends have jobs is not empirical evidence to then go on to say that it's supposed to be easy finding jobs. Completely anecdotal.

It doesn't have to be - considering I did not say that. ;)

[Redway]

It doesn't have to be - considering I did not say that. ;)

No, but that's what you're implying. Your title basically says that through your personal experience you can come to some sort of bizzare conclusion that finding a job is easy at the moment: it isn't.

The general population provides a much bigger sample ... obviously with all the necessary factors (e.g. age, location) included. You and your five friends don't speak for the general population. Fact. End.

From personal experience, my friends are finding it difficult to get jobs - regardless of how good they would be - which would neutralise your argument completely?

[Mystic Mock]

I will do Online University eventually, I just don't know what I want to do though lol.

[Pyramid*]

No, but that's what you're implying. Your title basically says that through your personal experience you can come to some sort of bizzare conclusion that finding a job is easy at the moment: it isn't.

The general population provides a much bigger sample ... obviously with all the necessary factors (e.g. age, location) included. You and your five friends don't speak for the general population. Fact. End.

From personal experience, my friends are finding it difficult to get jobs - regardless of how good they would be - which would neutralise your argument completely?

A conclusion is not bizarre when the facts speak for themselves - my own and my colleagues situation being our facts and this experience is what I base my comments on.

How many of your friends are looking for permanent work whilst signing on - vs how many of them have taken on temp work / short term work while they look for perm positions?.

Perhaps if you could provide that sort of information rather than just saying they are finding it difficult to get jobs.....it might validate your own arguement somewhat.

[Redway]

A conclusion is not bizarre when the facts speak for themselves - my own and my colleagues situation being our facts and this experience is what I base my comments on.

How many of your friends are looking for permanent work whilst signing on - vs how many of them have taken on temp work / short term work while they look for perm positions?.

Perhaps if you could provide that sort of information rather than just saying they are finding it difficult to get jobs.....it might validate your own arguement somewhat.

That's your personal experience though. It is a bizarre and entirely illogical conclusion to make when the whole nation on 6 people. That's anecdotal evidence. I can counteract that by using anyone's personal experiences when things haven't gone as well for the said person, regardless of their qualifications, etc.

Facts speak for themselves, yeah, so have a read of the news.

[Omah]

BUT ... OTHER PEOPLE!

Saying you and all your five friends have jobs is not empirical evidence to then go on to say that it's supposed to be easy finding jobs. Completely anecdotal.

No, but that's what you're implying. Your title basically says that through your personal experience you can come to some sort of bizzare conclusion that finding a job is easy at the moment: it isn't.

The general population provides a much bigger sample ... obviously with all the necessary factors (e.g. age, location) included. You and your five friends don't speak for the general population. Fact. End.

From personal experience, my friends are finding it difficult to get jobs - regardless of how good they would be - which would neutralise your argument completely?

That's your personal experience though. It is a bizarre and entirely illogical conclusion to make when the whole nation on 6 people. That's anecdotal evidence. I can counteract that by using anyone's personal experiences when things haven't gone as well for the said person, regardless of their qualifications, etc.

Facts speak for themselves, yeah, so have a read of the news.

I agree ..... many factors can determine personal employment status - sometimes, it's just serendpity ..... :idc:

[Pyramid*]

i find nearly all of your threads or posts are on the arrogant side!
you got a job and so did others in your previous company and thats great.
but you make out every one else are not trying or looking!
in some interveiws there are 60 people applying for the same job.

If you find my threads or posts so unpleasant: then you have a choice whether to participate or not - but please refrain from coming onto the thread with no other intention other than to deliberately insult me. 'Thanks.

I've placed comments based on what I've found to be the case in respect of job hunting and the old argument about it being so hard to get a job....when I & others have not found that to be the case - proving that it's not as difficult as it's made out to be. (and some will (rightly) take the view that it's not that easy either:..... that's not my experience).

That's your personal experience though. It is a bizarre and entirely illogical conclusion to make when the whole nation on 6 people. That's anecdotal evidence. I can counteract that by using anyone's personal experiences when things haven't gone as well for the said person, regardless of their qualifications, etc.

Facts speak for themselves, yeah, so have a read of the news.

Correct, that's my personal experience and that's why I am discussing it - thus it is far from bizarre - unless you regard the concept of gaining employment very quickly a bizarre concept !!

I see you have avoided my question Redway: how many of your friends that you said are finding it so hard to secure perm employment are just signing on......whilst 'looking for work'..... and how many have taken up short term or temp work in the interim - while they try to secure more perm work that they would ideally want to be doing?

[Pyramid*]

I agree ..... many factors can determine personal employment status - sometimes, it's just serendpity ..... :idc:


And sometimes, it's having the right attitude. Sometimes it's being in the right place at the right times. Sometimes it's applying for roles that are within your capabilities and not above or below. Sometimes it's targetting the right companies.

Lots of reasons for being able to find work.

[Pyramid*]

I will do Online University eventually, I just don't know what I want to do though lol.

Always a good idea especially when out of work when people have time on their hands to study - all the more so when it can be done online and from home. Lots of agencies provide various courses to help along the way. Plus it's a great way of keeping the mind busy, active and in a positive way.

[Omah]

And sometimes, it's having the right attitude. Sometimes it's being in the right place at the right times. Sometimes it's applying for roles that are within your capabilities and not above or below. Sometimes it's targetting the right companies.

When your "luck" changes, I'll bet you won't be boasting then ..... :nono:

I worked in the Insolvency Service for a while and dealt with hundreds of previously well-employed people who lost their jobs/businesses through no fault of their own and who had to seriously downgrade their lifestyle ..... I also worked for the DWP on DLA - again, life-changing injuries and illness can happen to anyone (there are over 3m claimants) - if there is anything that my jobs have taught me, it's not to be patronising or smug about employment ..... :nono:

[Pyramid*]

When your "luck" changes, I'll bet you won't be boasting then ..... :nono:

I worked in the Insolvency Service for a while and dealt with hundreds of previously well-employed people who lost their jobs/businesses through no fault of their own and who had to seriously downgrade their lifestyle ..... I also worked for the DWP on DLA - again, life-changing injuries and illness can happen to anyone (there are over 3m claimants) - if there is anything that my jobs have taught me, it's not to be patronising or smug about employment ..... :nono:

You make your own Luck Omah.... :D

Who's being patronising or smug..... it's called a discussion based on factual experience.

[Omah]

You make your own Luck Omah.... :D

Like I said, I have learned not to be smug or patronising .....

[Pyramid*]

Like I said, I have learned not to be smug or patronising .....

I'm sharing my success story Omah and showing that there is life after the dole queue...... and not only my own but of others around me.

[Kizzy]

You make your own Luck Omah.... :D

Who's being patronising or smug..... it's called a discussion based on factual experience.

So it's meant to be hard getting a job....???!!!
so please... someone care to explain to me why there are those in society who bleat on about it being so hard to get work - or work that pays well.... because from the evidence I've seen over the past few weeks: getting a new job is far from difficult.

This is the title of your thread and a quote from the OP.

Not being rude pyra but it does sound just a little smug and patronising.
Especially if like me you are a jobseeker who is not finding it at all easy.

[Tom4784]

I'm sharing my success story Omah and showing that there is life after the dole queue...... and not only my own but of others around me.

Such an inspiration to us all, I see a Pride of Britain award in your future.

[Pyramid*]

So it's meant to be hard getting a job....???!!!
so please... someone care to explain to me why there are those in society who bleat on about it being so hard to get work - or work that pays well.... because from the evidence I've seen over the past few weeks: getting a new job is far from difficult.

This is the title of your thread and a quote from the OP.

Not being rude pyra but it does sound just a little smug and patronising.
Especially if like me you are a jobseeker who is not finding it at all easy.
My points have been valid since my opening post.


Or it is more that members are only happy to hear of bad luck stories - or are only delighted when bad things are happening to others?? They aren't wanting to hear or discuss the possibility that the world is not all a place of gloom and doom as far as job seeking goes: that jobs are there - that they can be got.



Your own situation may be reflecting negatively on your view Kiz - that's all I can say to you.

Such an inspiration to us all, I see a Pride of Britain award in your future.

Thank you Dezzy. I know you wrote that without any hint of sarcasm, dig or attempt to have a rip at me.

Now.... anyone wanting to actually discuss the topic - and the areas which appear to have been guilded over - you know, the part about temporary work in the intermin - that part seems to be have bodyswerved in no small amount.

[Shaun]

I see no topic to discuss other than "I've got a job why don't others? :conf2: :conf2: :conf2:"

This thread's incredibly offensive and arrogant.

[Pyramid*]

I see no topic to discuss other than "I've got a job why don't others? :conf2: :conf2: :conf2:"

This thread's incredibly offensive and arrogant.

If you find it so incredibly offensive and arrogant - why post in it then?

The topic is open for discussion as to why there is a general consensus that finding work is so difficult: when it is not always the case.

Perhaps you prefer taking a more negative view Shaun rather than open yourself up to take part in the discussion and that is why you find it so offensive a thread?

[Kizzy]

My points have been valid since my opening post.


Or it is more that members are only happy to hear of bad luck stories - or are only delighted when bad things are happening to others?? They aren't wanting to hear or discuss the possibility that the world is not all a place of gloom and doom as far as job seeking goes: that jobs are there - that they can be got.



Your own situation may be reflecting negatively on your view Kiz - that's all I can say to you.



Thank you Dezzy. I know you wrote that without any hint of sarcasm, dig or attempt to have a rip at me.

Now.... anyone wanting to actually discuss the topic - and the areas which appear to have been guilded over - you know, the part about temporary work in the intermin - that part seems to be have bodyswerved in no small amount.

Your point is only valid in relation to your own situation. It is subjective and not representative of the plight of jobseekers in todays society.

I don't feel members are happier with bad luck stories, I am very happy for you and your collegues. However, I don't agree it is as easy as you found it to find work and to suggest it is and the current economic crisis has not impacted on the jobs market is wrong.

You may be right I may be feeling negative, to hear your suggestion that jobseekers deliberately hinder their own progress I find personally insulting.

[Pyramid*]

Your point is only valid in relation to your own situation. It is subjective and not representative of the plight of jobseekers in todays society.

I don't feel members are happier with bad luck stories, I am very happy for you and your collegues. However, I don't agree it is as easy as you found it to find work and to suggest it is and the current economic crisis has not impacted on the jobs market is wrong.

You may be right I may be feeling negative, to hear your suggestion that jobseekers deliberately hinder their own progress I find personally insulting.


Where precisely did I say that jobseekers deliberately hinder their own progress... I stated no such thing.

I do believe that there is an element of those seeking jobs, who expect it all to land in their lap and who 'create obstacles' in them gaining employment. I do feel that there are those in society who do bleat that there are no jobs available - when they really don't do a great to help themselves - just as I am sure there are those who do try hard and long, with no success.

My point is that there appears to be this view overall that 'people just cannot get work' - when I don't feel that's a true view. I have that right to that opinion - just as you have a right to disagree with it.

Why you should find that insulting is beyond me unless you are taking that personally. Understandably it may be an emotional topic for you and if you find it's a subject that is affecting you on such a level, perhaps then it's one of those topics that is best you don't become too involved in. However, your own feelings should not override the right for others to debate the topic.

It doesn't invalidate the right to the discussion.

[Kizzy]

Where precisely did I say that jobseekers deliberately hinder their own progress... I stated no such thing.

I do believe that there is an element of those seeking jobs, who expect it all to land in their lap and who 'create obstacles' in them gaining employment. I do feel that there are those in society who do bleat that there are no jobs available - when they really don't do a great to help themselves - just as I am sure there are those who do try hard and long, with no success.

My point is that there appears to be this view overall that 'people just cannot get work' - when I don't feel that's a true view. I have that right to that opinion - just as you have a right to disagree with it.

Why you should find that insulting is beyond me unless you are taking that personally. Understandably it may be an emotional topic for you and if you find it's a subject that is affecting you on such a level, perhaps then it's one of those topics that is best you don't become too involved in. However, your own feelings should not override the right for others to debate the topic.

It doesn't invalidate the right to the discussion.

There...You just said it right there pyra,
It is affecting me only as far as I as a jobseeker have heard this 'don't work won't work' rubbish before in relation to the unemployed and I feel it is unfair.
By all means debate the topic, I would never suggest my feelings would or should override or invalidate the right to the discussion ...What a strange thing to say...

[Pyramid*]

There...You just said it right there pyra,
It is affecting me only as far as I as a jobseeker have heard this 'don't work won't work' rubbish before in relation to the unemployed and I feel it is unfair.
By all means debate the topic, I would never suggest my feelings would or should override or invalidate the right to the discussion ...What a strange thing to say...


I'm sorry for your own situation Kizzy but that should not stifle anyone elses right to discussion - as you are attempting to do with the personalisation and emotive words you are using.

Try using a persons full comments as quoted Kiz, rather than cherry picking bits to suit your own agenda.

my full comment was:


I do believe that there is an element of those seeking jobs, who expect it all to land in their lap and who 'create obstacles' in them gaining employment. I do feel that there are those in society who do bleat that there are no jobs available - when they really don't do a great to help themselves - just as I am sure there are those who do try hard and long, with no success.



I'll go on the premise that you aren't understanding what the words I used, mean:- 'an element of those seeking jobs who expecte it all to land in their land and who create obstacles....' means.

It means not everyone... it means some, not all.

[arista]

"This thread's incredibly offensive and arrogant. ~"


No Shaun it is not
its a Viewpoint.


Not a offence, honey

[Benjamin]

Just to add my two-cents worth (it's 2 in the morning here so I'm not reading through pages and pages of discussion, forgive me) but when I was a manager and I got made redundant a few years ago, it knocked my confidence a dash and meant I had to take on jobs that were of a lower role and pay. I soon found my way back onto my feet though. There are always jobs available, it's just a case of actually looking and trying your hardest to make an outstanding impression on first contact. Some people like to make excuses and blame everything else as to why they cannot do things when infact their only excuse for not getting anywhere is themselves.

[Kizzy]

I'm sorry for your own situation Kizzy but that should not stifle anyone elses right to discussion - as you are attempting to do with the personalisation and emotive words you are using.

Try using a persons full comments as quoted Kiz, rather than cherry picking bits to suit your own agenda.

my full comment was:



I'll go on the premise that you aren't understanding what the words I used, mean:- 'an element of those seeking jobs who expecte it all to land in their land and who create obstacles....' means.

It means not everyone... it means some, not all.

I just stated I was not doing this pyra...you are just repeating yourself now.
If I have personalised the issue it is because you did...It was your own personal experience that it was easy to find employment..It is my experience that it is not.
I only quoted sections of your post as I felt you contradicted yourself, if you don't agree fine.
I do understand pyra thankyou.

[Omah]

Just to add my two-cents worth (it's 2 in the morning here so I'm not reading through pages and pages of discussion, forgive me) but when I was a manager and I got made redundant a few years ago, it knocked my confidence a dash and meant I had to take on jobs that were of a lower role and pay. I soon found my way back onto my feet though. There are always jobs available, it's just a case of actually looking and trying your hardest to make an outstanding impression on first contact. Some people like to make excuses and blame everything else as to why they cannot do things when infact their only excuse for not getting anywhere is themselves.

You are, like the OP, offering a subjective experience as fact.

[Pyramid*]

You are, like the OP, offering a subjective experience as fact.

There are always jobs available Omah. That is fact.

[Benjamin]

You are, like the OP, offering a subjective experience as fact.

There are always jobs available. That is a fact. Maybe not all at the same time, but day after day new jobs appear as others fill up. Getting a job takes time and effort, those that look hardest, not fussy and are the most determined will generally find something pretty quickly.

[Pyramid*]

I just stated I was not doing this pyra...you are just repeating yourself now.
If I have personalised the issue it is because you did...It was your own personal experience that it was easy to find employment..It is my experience that it is not.
I only quoted sections of your post as I felt you contradicted yourself, if you don't agree fine.
I do understand pyra thankyou.

You say that in your own experience, that it is not easy to find employment. Do you mean that you are finding it difficult to obtain a job in your chosen field, and remain unemployed whilst you hunt?

What would prevent you from taking on temporary work in the interim - there are many many such vacancies via agencies that can be used to fill the gaps - as well as providing opportunities to you in fields that perhaps you would never have considered previously - as well as gaining new experience in different job roles.

[Kizzy]

There are always jobs available Omah. That is fact.

Of course there are but the difference between each persons personal circumstances are vast. It may be ok for ben to take a pay cut and rebuild, flip that and imagine a 38yr old father of 3 with a morgage made redundant...

We could sit here flinging hypotheticals about till the cows come home, fact is when you have a job it is so easy to look down on those who don't.

[Kizzy]

You say that in your own experience, that it is not easy to find employment. Do you mean that you are finding it difficult to obtain a job in your chosen field, and remain unemployed whilst you hunt?

What would prevent you from taking on temporary work in the interim - there are many many such vacancies via agencies that can be used to fill the gaps - as well as providing opportunities to you in fields that perhaps you would never have considered previously - as well as gaining new experience in different job roles.

Pyramid please don't patronise me! I do not need employment advice from you thankyou very much.

[Omah]

There are always jobs available. That is a fact.

True

Getting a job takes time and effort

Usually true

Those that look hardest, not fussy and are the most determined will generally find something pretty quickly

Many categories of the unemployed will consider that statement absolute piffle and unsupportable balderdash

[Pyramid*]

Pyramid please don't patronise me! I do not need employment advice from you thankyou very much.

Not patronising you at all Kizzy. I'm asking you for some contribution as to why you keep saying it is so difficult to find employment.

I'm asking you a question -that is a world away from being patronising.

[Omah]

You say that in your own experience, that it is not easy to find employment. Do you mean that you are finding it difficult to obtain a job in your chosen field, and remain unemployed whilst you hunt?

What would prevent you from taking on temporary work in the interim - there are many many such vacancies via agencies that can be used to fill the gaps - as well as providing opportunities to you in fields that perhaps you would never have considered previously - as well as gaining new experience in different job roles.

Spoken like a Tory Assistant Under-Secretary for Employment (age 23, Eton, Cambridge, PPE (2nd)) ..... :yuk:

[Pyramid*]

Of course there are but the difference between each persons personal circumstances are vast. It may be ok for ben to take a pay cut and rebuild, flip that and imagine a 38yr old father of 3 with a morgage made redundant...

We could sit here flinging hypotheticals about till the cows come home, fact is when you have a job it is so easy to look down on those who don't.

Of course, people will have different circumstances: one size doesn't fit all, just as one excuse doesn't fit all.

Why should a 38 year old with a mortage,with 3 kids find it so hard to take a pay cut - versus being on the dole and receiving far less money into the household? Dependant on the type of mortgage he has, he may not get assistance in paying that - so if anything: having a mortgage (and on the premise, no redundancy protection insurance) - that's actually a better motivator to get a job - lower salary or not.

If the kids are of school age: what prevents him from taking work - even if it is lower paid that his previous salary?

[Pyramid*]

Spoken like a Tory Assistant Under-Secretary for Employment (age 23, Eton, Cambridge, PPE (2nd)) ..... :yuk:

Try defending your side of the argument instead of personally attacking the poster Omah.

[Omah]

Try defending your side of the argument instead of personally attacking the poster Omah.

You're patronising again ?

:laugh3:

[Kizzy]

Not patronising you at all Kizzy. I'm asking you for some contribution as to why you keep saying it is so difficult to find employment.

I'm asking you a question -that is a world away from being patronising.

I have found it difficult because the positions I have applied for have been unsuccessful pyra....

[Pyramid*]

You're patronising again ?



Not at all, however if you wish to perceive it as so, you are free to do so.

It does nothing to negate the fact that despite public perception that it is so incredibly difficult to get work - this is not always the case - which is the fundamental basis of the discussion.

[Kizzy]

Of course, people will have different circumstances: one size doesn't fit all, just as one excuse doesn't fit all.

Why should a 38 year old with a mortage,with 3 kids find it so hard to take a pay cut - versus being on the dole and receiving far less money into the household? Dependant on the type of mortgage he has, he may not get assistance in paying that - so if anything: having a mortgage (and on the premise, no redundancy protection insurance) - that's actually a better motivator to get a job - lower salary or not.

If the kids are of school age: what prevents him from taking work - even if it is lower paid that his previous salary?

I just find it funny how you have all the answers pyra, I really wish I knew how you do it...You make everything sound sooo easy :)

[thesheriff443]

When your "luck" changes, I'll bet you won't be boasting then ..... :nono:

I worked in the Insolvency Service for a while and dealt with hundreds of previously well-employed people who lost their jobs/businesses through no fault of their own and who had to seriously downgrade their lifestyle ..... I also worked for the DWP on DLA - again, life-changing injuries and illness can happen to anyone (there are over 3m claimants) - if there is anything that my jobs have taught me, it's not to be patronising or smug about employment ..... :nono:

great post.

[Pyramid*]

I have found it difficult because the positions I have applied for have been unsuccessful pyra....

Yep, that's normally how it normally works Kiz.

My questions were very clear. Perhaps the jobs you have applied for were not jobs that you were right for? Only you know the answer to that - and clearly, you aren't willing to discuss why you are being unsuccessful.

I also see that you avoided (again) any reply about the option of using agencies for temporary work in the interim and avoided any further dicussion on the merits and benefits of trying to secure work through such means .

[Pyramid*]

I just find it funny how you have all the answers pyra, I really wish I knew how you do it...You make everything sound sooo easy :)

My natural charm, charisma, positive outlook, go get attitude -:joker: maybe all that had a huge helping hand, as well as my willingness to be prepared to compromise if needed.



:blush:

[Omah]

I just find it funny how you have all the answers pyra, I really wish I knew how you do it...You make everything sound sooo easy :)

I believe that £100k pa does a lot for one's self-confidence ..... :pipe:

[Pyramid*]

I believe that £100k pa does a lot for one's self-confidence ..... :pipe:


Fab post Omah, I love it. :joker:

[Kizzy]

Yep, that's normally how it normally works Kiz.

My questions were very clear. Perhaps the jobs you have applied for were not jobs that you were right for? Only you know the answer to that - and clearly, you aren't willing to discuss why you are being unsuccessful.

I also see that you avoided (again) any reply about the option of using agencies for temporary work in the interim and avoided any further dicussion on the merits and benefits of trying to secure work through such means .

:conf: Why on earth would I apply for positions I was unsuitable for pyra...
That would make no sense whatsoever would it?
I just did discuss why I was unsuccessful...I explained I did not get the job.
I have applied for temp work through agencies also, what do you suggest I try next?...A sandwich board perhaps?

[Pyramid*]

:conf: Why on earth would I apply for positions I was unsuitable for pyra...
That would make no sense whatsoever would it?
I just did discuss why I was unsuccessful...I explained I did not get the job.
I have applied for temp work through agencies also, what do you suggest I try next?...A sandwich board perhaps?


It's a safe bet to say that if a person doesn't get the job that they were interviewed for, that they were unsuccessful.

I really am truly staggered to learn that you have applied for temporary work through agencies - yet appear have been offered nothing at all.

I honestly have to say Kiz that I have never known anyone who has registered with agencies for temp work, who has not been offered work. Now before you make any incorrect assumption: that is not a a slight on you lest you take it that way .

I do know of those who registered with agencies but rejected work offered to them because they did not agree with the salary they were being paid. perhaps agency work in Scotland is far more easy to secure?

[Kizzy]

It's a safe bet to say that if a person doesn't get the job that they were interviewed for, that they were unsuccessful.

I really am truly staggered to learn that you have applied for temporary work through agencies - yet appear have been offered nothing at all.

I honestly have to say Kiz that I have never known anyone who has registered with agencies for temp work, who has not been offered work. Now before you make any incorrect assumption: that is not a a slight on you lest you take it that way .

I do know of those who registered with agencies but rejected work offered to them because they did not agree with the salary they were being paid. perhaps agency work in Scotland is far more easy to secure?

Perhaps...

[Ellen]

It's a safe bet to say that if a person doesn't get the job that they were interviewed for, that they were unsuccessful.

I really am truly staggered to learn that you have applied for temporary work through agencies - yet appear have been offered nothing at all.

I honestly have to say Kiz that I have never known anyone who has registered with agencies for temp work, who has not been offered work. Now before you make any incorrect assumption: that is not a a slight on you lest you take it that way .

I do know of those who registered with agencies but rejected work offered to them because they did not agree with the salary they were being paid. perhaps agency work in Scotland is far more easy to secure?

Just because you are signed up to an agency it does not guarantee you employment, you still have to go through interviews which does not guarantee you a job been offered.
If you are up against numerous people going for the same job your chances become less for securing a position.

[Redway]

If you find my threads or posts so unpleasant: then you have a choice whether to participate or not - but please refrain from coming onto the thread with no other intention other than to deliberately insult me. 'Thanks.

I've placed comments based on what I've found to be the case in respect of job hunting and the old argument about it being so hard to get a job....when I & others have not found that to be the case - proving that it's not as difficult as it's made out to be. (and some will (rightly) take the view that it's not that easy either:..... that's not my experience).



Correct, that's my personal experience and that's why I am discussing it - thus it is far from bizarre - unless you regard the concept of gaining employment very quickly a bizarre concept !!

I see you have avoided my question Redway: how many of your friends that you said are finding it so hard to secure perm employment are just signing on......whilst 'looking for work'..... and how many have taken up short term or temp work in the interim - while they try to secure more perm work that they would ideally want to be doing?

No, it's bizarre and completely stupid, just like this thread. Absolutely stupid and illogical. I know you and your friends have jobs. That's not illogical and I accept that; what's illogical is thinking you can speak for the whole nation based on 6 people.

As for the BIB ... quite a few actually. In fact I know a few people unemployed who had been previously employed, having a permanent position.

[Pyramid*]

Just because you are signed up to an agency it does not guarantee you employment, you still have to go through interviews which does not guarantee you a job been offered.
If you are up against numerous people going for the same job your chances become less for securing a position.

My own experience of agency work could not be further from what you have described above. any time in the past where I have used an agency: the agency already has contracts in place with various companies, for the agency to provide their clients with workers.

It's been nothing more difficult than registering with the agency - they offer you temp positions and you either say yes or no. That's how easy it was - and not just for me, for others who were with the same agency - ie: foreigners, those in their late teens, mature students returnig back to work, and even those in their 60s were offered (and took) work via nothing more than registering and taking a basic keyboard test.

[Pyramid*]

No, it's bizarre and completely stupid, just like this thread. Absolutely stupid and illogical. I know you and your friends have jobs. That's not illogical and I accept that; what's illogical is thinking you can speak for the whole nation based on 6 people.

As for the BIB ... quite a few actually. In fact I know a few people unemployed who had been previously employed, having a permanent position.

Redway, please try to be a little less rude, there really is no need for it.

I didn't ask if you knew people who are unemployed, who had previously been employed having had perm positions.

I asked how many of your unemployed friends who are currently looking for work whilst signing on - vs how many are looking for perm work whilst doing some form of temp work.

[arista]

Just to add my two-cents worth (it's 2 in the morning here so I'm not reading through pages and pages of discussion, forgive me) but when I was a manager and I got made redundant a few years ago, it knocked my confidence a dash and meant I had to take on jobs that were of a lower role and pay. I soon found my way back onto my feet though. There are always jobs available, it's just a case of actually looking and trying your hardest to make an outstanding impression on first contact. Some people like to make excuses and blame everything else as to why they cannot do things when infact their only excuse for not getting anywhere is themselves.


Redway
its not Just 6 people.

Look what Our Mod Down Under found time to post.

No One attacks him?

[joeysteele]

Just because you are signed up to an agency it does not guarantee you employment, you still have to go through interviews which does not guarantee you a job been offered.
If you are up against numerous people going for the same job your chances become less for securing a position.

You are right Ellen,I am with you here.
I know Students who are signed up to Agencies,just for temporary work even really but some have never had a place to go to yet, some also have to keep pushing to see if there is anything about.

I also have spoken to a good number of people who in order to hold their jobs have had to see their hours cut from 37+ to 30 hours a week, meaning a good loss of income for them.
More and more people are now in what is more like part time work rather than the good full time hours they had before.

There are always companies culling staff and other companies taking on a few more people, likely never enough to start eating into the unemployed though, it is also likely a bit easier to get into a job if you have only just recently been made unemployed,once you have been out of work for a while, it then gets more and more difficult.

You don't have to be a mathematician however to work out that with an estimated just under 0.5 million vacancies in the Country and around 2.6 million unemployed that those figures are not divisible to help cut unemployment.You cannot get 2.6 million into half a million,no matter how you try.

It is really good if someone can lose a job, then quickly succeed in finding another quickly,good luck to them,that is brilliant,likely achieved by a lot of skill and also a bit of luck too.
However my own thoughts would be they are more likely a minority rather than a majority of people looking for and/or needing work.

There are lots of other factors as to getting a job, the interview process, how to properly prepare a CV too, these are the areas the Govt needs to get right into to help people find work.
Overall though, an absolutely massive amount of investment in creating jobs needs to take place and also measures to ensure those jobs are lasting,long time positions.

The future doesn't look good on all fronts and I am personally just thankful that I will have 2 careers I could go into after Uni, I will really consider myself one of the lucky ones and not generalise that all should be able to do what I will have been fortunate to have been able to.

[thesheriff443]

You are right Ellen,I am with you here.
I know Students who are signed up to Agencies,just for temporary work even really but some have never had a place to go to yet, some also have to keep pushing to see if there is anything about.

I also have spoken to a good number of people who in order to hold their jobs have had to see their hours cut from 37+ to 30 hours a week, meaning a good loss of income for them.
More and more people are now in what is more like part time work rather than the good full time hours they had before.

There are always companies culling staff and other companies taking on a few more people, likely never enough to start eating into the unemployed though, it is also likely a bit easier to get into a job if you have only just recently been made unemployed,once you have been out of work for a while, it then gets more and more difficult.

You don't have to be a mathematician however to work out that with an estimated just under 0.5 million vacancies in the Country and around 2.6 million unemployed that those figures are not divisible to help cut unemployment.You cannot get 2.6 million into half a million,no matter how you try.

It is really good if someone can lose a job, then quickly succeed in finding another quickly,good luck to them,that is brilliant,likely achieved by a lot of skill and also a bit of luck too.
However my own thoughts would be they are more likely a minority rather than a majority of people looking for and/or needing work.

There are lots of other factors as to getting a job, the interview process, how to properly prepare a CV too, these are the areas the Govt needs to get right into to help people find work.
Overall though, an absolutely massive amount of investment in creating jobs needs to take place and also measures to ensure those jobs are lasting,long time positions.

The future doesn't look good on all fronts and I am personally just thankful that I will have 2 careers I could go into after Uni, I will really consider myself one of the lucky ones and not generalise that all should be able to do what I will have been fortunate to have been able to.

this is a great post!

[Pyramid*]

You are right Ellen,I am with you here.
I know Students who are signed up to Agencies,just for temporary work even really but some have never had a place to go to yet, some also have to keep pushing to see if there is anything about.

I also have spoken to a good number of people who in order to hold their jobs have had to see their hours cut from 37+ to 30 hours a week, meaning a good loss of income for them.

More and more people are now in what is more like part time work rather than the good full time hours they had before.

There are always companies culling staff and other companies taking on a few more people, likely never enough to start eating into the unemployed though, it is also likely a bit easier to get into a job if you have only just recently been made unemployed,once you have been out of work for a while, it then gets more and more difficult.

You don't have to be a mathematician however to work out that with an estimated just under 0.5 million vacancies in the Country and around 2.6 million unemployed that those figures are not divisible to help cut unemployment.You cannot get 2.6 million into half a million,no matter how you try.

It is really good if someone can lose a job, then quickly succeed in finding another quickly,good luck to them,that is brilliant,likely achieved by a lot of skill and also a bit of luck too.
However my own thoughts would be they are more likely a minority rather than a majority of people looking for and/or needing work.

There are lots of other factors as to getting a job, the interview process, how to properly prepare a CV too, these are the areas the Govt needs to get right into to help people find work.
Overall though, an absolutely massive amount of investment in creating jobs needs to take place and also measures to ensure those jobs are lasting,long time positions.

The future doesn't look good on all fronts and I am personally just thankful that I will have 2 careers I could go into after Uni, I will really consider myself one of the lucky ones and not generalise that all should be able to do what I will have been fortunate to have been able to.


In all seriousness Joey: if you truly believe that it is up to the Government to show people how to handle interviews and how to prepare CV's ... then I do fear for the future of our country. How much pampering do the job seekers want?

[Pyramid*]

Redway
its not Just 6 people.

Look what Our Mod Down Under found time to post.

No One attacks him?

Thank you Arista.

[joeysteele]

The Govt is doing just that, setting in place the means to get help and advice as to the format of a CV, also how best to approach and go through the interview process.
I would say any Govt that does that is doing the right thing and anyone who needs help and advice should have it for as long as and when they need it.

I was agreeing with Ellen anyway in the main, I have made my point and of course I would say it is Govts duty to ensure all is done to help the unemployed find work and prepare for that especially moreso in times of high and long unemployment periods.

I wouldn't call such help pampering anyway or see it that way,(it's not a battle with the unemployed people themselves). I would just term it the right thing to do for them and the Nation too actually.

[Pyramid*]

The Govt is doing just that, setting in place the means to get help and advice as to the format of a CV, also how best to approach and go through the interview process.
I would say any Govt that does that is doing the right thing and anyone who needs help and advice should have it for as long as and when they need it.

I was agreeing with Ellen anyway in the main, I have made my point and of course I would say it is Govts duty to ensure all is done to help the unemployed find work and prepare for that especially moreso in times of high and long unemployment periods.

I wouldn't call such help pampering anyway or see it that way,(it's not a battle with the unemployed people themselves). I would just term it the right thing to do for them and the Nation too actually.

Learning how to pull together a CV is something that people should not have to rely on the Government to show them how to do - I'm astounded that you would think that that was the responsibility of Government, and not of the person seeking the job. Do we live in a world these days that some are not prepared to do some ground work themselves but want / expect others to do everything for them - without them putting some effort in themselves.

Careers advisors in schools, colleges and universities are avail to assist with such things, thousands of sites online are available at no cost to show how to prepare a CV , employment agencies will show you, (and will present their own preferred format to their clients), DWP have courses to show how to do these things. It really is not difficult to find out how to construct at CV without expecting even further assistance from the Government - which is actually already out there and available. .

I would say that the Government do as much as they possibly can to assist jobseekers: sometimes people need to help themselves, and there are those within the job seeking market who simply won't - and will use anything as an excuse.

I have never said on this thread that there are enough jobs for every job seeker to be employed.

What I have said is that not all job seekers are willing to do what it takes to find work - preferring instead to use ''can't" when perhaps ''Won't'' may be more applicable.

Some people may make it incredibly difficult to be placed in employment due to their rigid demands and lack willingness to compromise: whether it be on situation/hours/ location / working week / shift pattern / travel / salary - and that's without even going near the person suitability for the job.

[Ellen]

In all seriousness Joey: if you truly believe that it is up to the Government to show people how to handle interviews and how to prepare CV's ... then I do fear for the future of our country. How much pampering do the job seekers want?

Its not pampering, its helping people to make the best of themselves when looking for work.
If it helps people back into the work force then it is a positive.

[joeysteele]

Its not pampering, its helping people to make the best of themselves when looking for work.
If it helps people back into the work force then it is a positive.

Absolutely. I agree again.

[Pyramid*]

Its not pampering, its helping people to make the best of themselves when looking for work.
If it helps people back into the work force then it is a positive.

Which is already available in all manner of forms and resources: Given the amount of resources already available (see my previous post) - I'd say that it amounts to a certain degree of some wanting mollycoddled and having someone else do all the ground work for them.

I am also referring to the blocks that some job seekers place on being able to being offered employment: some i do feel limit their choices due to their own lack of flexibility - but use that as excuses for not finding work.

If I had decided I was only going to seek employment in a company that I did not need to use my car to reach the workplace , that was within walking distance of my home, that I would only work Monday to Friday and ony between the hours of 10am to 4pm, would not consider any other hours, would not consider anything less that £17 per hour and wanted flexi-time, provided me with health benefits etc - I'm pretty sure I'd have found it damned hard to be re-employed so quickly.

This is the angle I am coming from.

[Vanessa]

Which is already available in all manner of forms and resources: Given the amount of resources already available (see my previous post) - I'd say that it amounts to a certain degree of some wanting mollycoddled and having someone else do all the ground work for them.

I am also referring to the blocks that some job seekers place on being able to being offered employment: some i do feel limit their choices due to their own lack of flexibility - but use that as excuses for not finding work.

If I had decided I was only going to seek employment in a company that I did not need to use my car to reach the workplace , that was within walking distance of my home, that I would only work Monday to Friday and ony between the hours of 10am to 4pm, would not consider any other hours, would not consider anything less that £17 per hour and wanted flexi-time, provided me with health benefits etc - I'm pretty sure I'd have found it damned hard to be re-employed so quickly.

This is the angle I am coming from.

I agree you need to be flexibe. Otherwise you may not find the job you're looking for. I'm lucky i work close to home, but some people have to travel a long way. :blush:

[thesheriff443]

the goverment has changed things for job seekers,those that have been in long term unempoyment are put on a scheme that helps with all aspects of finding a permanent job!
if they dont go they dont get any benefits.

[Pyramid*]

I agree you need to be flexibe. Otherwise you may not find the job you're looking for. I'm lucky i work close to home, but some people have to travel a long way. :blush:


Some do indeed Vanessa - when I hear about folk who have very long journeys each way to their workplace: it really does put 45 min journeys into perspective as being a mere blip.

[Pyramid*]

the goverment has changed things for job seekers,those that have been in long term unempoyment are put on a scheme that helps with all aspects of finding a permanent job!
if they dont go they dont get any benefits.

Something that I (and others) have stated is already available to assist the job seeker.

[thesheriff443]

Something that I (and others) have stated is already available to assist the job seeker.

you keep saying some people dont want to work!
the goverment have taken away that option!
find a job or take further training or they are thrown off benefits.

[Redway]

Redway
its not Just 6 people.

Look what Our Mod Down Under found time to post.

No One attacks him?

I'm not attacking Pyramid though. I just think this is a stupid and inflamatory thread and said so. Two people's experiences with jobs doesn't affect the fact that there aren't many jobs available and hardly speaks for the nation. Let it be 2000 out of 20 million then. Still a low percentage of people getting employed right? Yes? No?

And so what if Ben's a mod? That lifts him up to some honorary status does it? Bottom line is he's normal - just like everyone else. I still stand by my point.

[Redway]

Redway, please try to be a little less rude, there really is no need for it.

I didn't ask if you knew people who are unemployed, who had previously been employed having had perm positions.

I asked how many of your unemployed friends who are currently looking for work whilst signing on - vs how many are looking for perm work whilst doing some form of temp work.

Oh no madam Pyramid*. I just felt like showing up your illogical and unsuported conclusions and theories, you know?

[Pyramid*]

I'm not attacking Pyramid though. I just think this is a stupid and inflamatory thread and said so. Two people's experiences with jobs doesn't affect the fact that there aren't many jobs available and hardly speaks for the nation. Let it be 2000 out of 20 million then. Still a low percentage of people getting employed right? Yes? No?

And so what if Ben's a mod? That lifts him up to some honorary status does it? Bottom line is he's normal - just like everyone else. I still stand by my point.

Oh no madam Pyramid*. I just felt like showing up your illogical and unsuported conclusions and theories, you know?


No attack? Really - you're second comment in red above isn't rude or inflammatory?....

If you read the thread, you will find there are more than only 2 persons with the same view Redway. That does not mean their viewpoint is invalid -nor illogical. It means nothing more than you disagree.

You claim there aren't that many jobs available? How does half a million jobs grab you?

[Kate!]

Fgs, I've bitten my lip for as long as I could.

Redway, I agree with you wholeheartedly. Pyramid, you've been back for a very short time and quite frankly I've stayed out of this thread, despite being offended by it, because I know you'll take great pleasure in knowing you've annoyed me. Imho you started this thread to deliberately be inflammatory and piss people off, the OP is nothing but a smug gloat about how things went extraordinarily well for you. You were lucky. I'm glad you found work so quickly, I wouldn't wish unemployment on anyone, its soul destroying. For the record, in my case it HAS been very difficult to find work, for many reasons that I'm not going to drone on about. Yet I'm still trying, and will continue to do so for as long as it takes. As for the inference that if a person really wanted to work then they could, that's bull and somewhat insulting. To reiterate, I really want to work, I'd give anything not to have been made redundant, I was unlucky. And eventually things will turn around and I'll get back on my feet again, through perseverance.

- imagines emoticon of banging head against brick wall -

:bored: give it a rest please.

[Redway]

No attack? Really - you're second comment in red above isn't rude or inflammatory?....

If you read the thread, you will find there are more than only 2 persons with the same view Redway. That does not mean their viewpoint is invalid -nor illogical. It means nothing more than you disagree.

You claim there aren't that many jobs available? How does half a million jobs grab you?

Yes they are. I know these are people's views on the matter. I accept that. I then went on to say that these opinions are illogical, stupid, ignorant and offensive. That's my opinion. I'm allowed to say that and I don't give a flying monkey's if anyone choses to be offended by that. I don't need anyone's approval to voice my views on the matter and if you take offense to that then it's not my problem.

And half a million isn't by any stretch of imigination enough when you have 2.6 million unemployed. Sure, some of this will be taken up by the lazy bastards who simply don't want to work but I'm sure will be outweighed by the decent people who genuinely do want to work.

[Omah]

Just to add my two-cents worth (it's 2 in the morning here so I'm not reading through pages and pages of discussion, forgive me) but when I was a manager and I got made redundant a few years ago, it knocked my confidence a dash and meant I had to take on jobs that were of a lower role and pay. I soon found my way back onto my feet though. There are always jobs available, it's just a case of actually looking and trying your hardest to make an outstanding impression on first contact. Some people like to make excuses and blame everything else as to why they cannot do things when infact their only excuse for not getting anywhere is themselves.

You are, like the OP, offering a subjective experience as fact.

There are always jobs available. That is a fact. Maybe not all at the same time, but day after day new jobs appear as others fill up. Getting a job takes time and effort, those that look hardest, not fussy and are the most determined will generally find something pretty quickly.



There are always jobs available.

True

Getting a job takes time and effort

Usually true

Those that look hardest, not fussy and are the most determined will generally find something pretty quickly

Many categories of the unemployed will consider that statement absolute piffle and unsupportable balderdash

Redway
its not Just 6 people.

Look what Our Mod Down Under found time to post.

No One attacks him?

Thank you Arista.

I don't "attack" other posters but 1 certainly pointed out the invalidity of an assertion..... :pipe:

[Redway]

Fgs, I've bitten my lip for as long as I could.

Redway, I agree with you wholeheartedly. Pyramid, you've been back for a very short time and quite frankly I've stayed out of this thread, despite being offended by it, because I know you'll take great pleasure in knowing you've annoyed me. Imho you started this thread to deliberately be inflammatory and piss people off, the OP is nothing but a smug gloat about how things went extraordinarily well for you. You were lucky. I'm glad you found work so quickly, I wouldn't wish unemployment on anyone, its soul destroying. For the record, in my case it HAS been very difficult to find work, for many reasons that I'm not going to drone on about. Yet I'm still trying, and will continue to do so for as long as it takes. As for the inference that if a person really wanted to work then they could, that's bull and somewhat insulting. To reiterate, I really want to work, I'd give anything not to have been made redundant, I was unlucky. And eventually things will turn around and I'll get back on my feet again, through perseverance.

- imagines emoticon of banging head against brick wall -

:bored: give it a rest please.

Kate. :lovedup:

[joeysteele]

Fgs, I've bitten my lip for as long as I could.

Redway, I agree with you wholeheartedly. Pyramid, you've been back for a very short time and quite frankly I've stayed out of this thread, despite being offended by it, because I know you'll take great pleasure in knowing you've annoyed me. Imho you started this thread to deliberately be inflammatory and piss people off, the OP is nothing but a smug gloat about how things went extraordinarily well for you. You were lucky. I'm glad you found work so quickly, I wouldn't wish unemployment on anyone, its soul destroying. For the record, in my case it HAS been very difficult to find work, for many reasons that I'm not going to drone on about. Yet I'm still trying, and will continue to do so for as long as it takes. As for the inference that if a person really wanted to work then they could, that's bull and somewhat insulting. To reiterate, I really want to work, I'd give anything not to have been made redundant, I was unlucky. And eventually things will turn around and I'll get back on my feet again, through perseverance.

- imagines emoticon of banging head against brick wall -

:bored: give it a rest please.

Really Kate,I wish you the very best of luck to you in the future in finding work again, very well said too.
It is likely soul destroying fir the vast majority of people who are out of work,I agree.

[Omah]

You claim there aren't that many jobs available? How does half a million jobs grab you?

Looking for work? UK jobs map reveals best and worst places in the country to find employment

21 February 2012

The best and worst places in the UK to find a job have been revealed in a new study which shows there are as many as 80 people for every vacancy in some areas.

Looking at available posts and the number of unemployed in 50 locations researchers were able to put together the study to highlight the competition for jobs across the UK.

Hull emerged as the toughest place to secure a job with a staggering 80 jobless for every available vacancy while Stoke-on-Trent came a close second with 72 people unemployed for each advertised post.

Aberdeen in Scotland was found to be the easiest place to find work, with fewer than one unemployed person for every available job.

The Scottish city’s employment growth continues to be buoyed by oil and gas and the number of vacancies in the industry is at 18 times the national average.

The nature of jobs available also changes from region to region and Aberdeen also boasts the greatest number of available jobs in construction, followed by Derby and Birmingham.

Top ten places to find work


1.Aberdeen
2.Reading
3.Cambridge
4.London
5.Milton Keynes
6.Oxford
7.Guildford
8.Wycombe and Slough
9.Brighton
10.Bristol

Worst ten places to find work

1.Hull
2.Stoke-on-Trent
3.Sunderland
4.Southend
5.Wirral
6.Lanarkshire
7.Rochdale and Oldham
8.Wolverhampton
9.Middlesbrough
10.Swansea Bay

Call centre posts are more readily available in Belfast than anywhere else with the city having three times as many jobs in the industry than the national average, while Manchester leads the way for marketing and sales positions and Edinburgh is best for finance jobs.


http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news/article-2104374/UK-jobs-map-Best-worst-towns-country-work-revealed.html#ixzz25LwdFx1V

Surprise, surprise - there's a North/South divide for England ..... :idc:

And the Scots are living on offshore resources and using other people's money ..... :rolleyes:

[Kate!]

Thank you Joey. It is very soul destroying, as someone who has worked ALL my life since leaving school, sometimes at two jobs to make the hours up.

It's also true, as soneone mentioned earlier, that the Government are now very tough on jobseekers and will actively stop peoples benefits if they think they are not doing enough to find work, or making excuses, being too picky etc. I don't consider any job "beneath me" however as I am office trained and have plenty of qualifications to support this then that is where I'm ideally looking. I'd happily consider retail work if I could get it, yet (as mentioned previously) actual direct retail experience is a must have, so although I'd be more than capable of doing the job, I would be unlikely to even get an interview. When the supermarkets are asking for NVQs in retail. They can afford to be very choosy, as there are so many unemployed. It's very much in favour of the employer.

[Lee.]

And the Scots are living on offshore resources and using other people's money ..... :rolleyes:

What do you mean by that?

[Kate!]

Thank you Joey. It is very soul destroying, as someone who has worked ALL my life since leaving school, sometimes at two jobs to make the hours up.

It's also true, as soneone mentioned earlier, that the Government are now very tough on jobseekers and will actively stop peoples benefits if they think they are not doing enough to find work, or making excuses, being too picky etc. I don't consider any job "beneath me" however as I am office trained and have plenty of qualifications to support this then that is where I'm ideally looking. I'd happily consider retail work if I could get it, yet (as mentioned previously) actual direct retail experience is a must have, so although I'd be more than capable of doing the job, I would be unlikely to even get an interview. When the supermarkets are asking for NVQs in retail. They can afford to be very choosy, as there are so many unemployed. It's very much in favour of the employer.

[Jords]

Im with Kate. Im glad to see you back Pyra but sometimes you do talk tosh. Just because something worked out great for you and a few collegues who all have working experience under their belts, does not mean success can be generalized to everybody so easily.

[Redway]

Omah you have basically debased your entire argument. You can post all the statistics you want but what was the need in posting that bollocks about Scotland?

[Omah]

What do you mean by that?

Scotland's top two business economies are based on oil/gas and finance ..... :idc:

[Lee.]

Scotland's top two business economies are based on oil/gas and finance ..... :idc:

And the bit about us using other people's money?

[Omah]

And the bit about us using other people's money?

Us?

:conf:

[Lee.]

Us?

:conf:

Scotland

[michael21]

I have always said that if you want (hard enough) to work and want a job: you will get one - and if you want to work: you will chose the avenues available that will source work for you. I'm very pleased to have been proven correct on this one.

Myself and no less than 5 others that I worked with - within weeks of being given notice of impending redundancies - each and every one of us secured new employment even before our final working day.

Not one of us had to downgrade either on position/ renumeration /package: in fact, every one of us found employment which included higher salaries and better Company benefits than we had - after only one interview each - and all with different companies.

so please... someone care to explain to me why there are those in society who bleat on about it being so hard to get work - or work that pays well.... because from the evidence I've seen over the past few weeks: getting a new job is far from difficult.

:conf:

did the company you worked for give a reason for the redundancies whar was the company name????????????

[Omah]

Scotland

Edinburgh is Scotland's leading provider of chargeable financial services, which collect funds (from the public or other institutions) and invests them in financial assets - financial services, by definition, do not use their own money.

http://www.scotland.org/work/key-industries/

Scotland is the fifth largest financial services centre in Europe and the industry accounts for around £7 billion or 7% of Scotland’s GDP. The business and financial services sector in Scotland has grown faster than the rest of the UK over the last five years, creating 65,000 new jobs.

IMO, the so-called "financial services sector" is just another name for "parasites", wherever they are located ..... :hmph:

[Marsh.]

This thread is showing me why I've not really been missing this forum.
Nothing worse than deliberate generalisation to piss people off.

Pyramid and a couple of her colleagues find jobs in the blink of an eye after many years experience in a very specialised job role and suddenly every unemployed person in the country is lazy?
6 people to every job means you should find a job within 6 attempts?

What a load of ****e.

Is this like a person in a mansion with three cars looking at homeless people telling them it's not as hard as they're making out to live in a comfortable house with money in the bank?

[Redway]

This thread is showing me why I've not really been missing this forum.
Nothing worse than deliberate generalisation to piss people off.

Pyramid and a couple of his colleagues find jobs in the blink of an eye after many years experience in a very specialised job role and suddenly every unemployed person in the country is lazy?
6 people to every job means you should find a job within 6 attempts?

What a load of ****e.

Is this like a person in a mansion with three cars looking at homeless people telling them it's not as hard as they're making out to live in a comfortable house with money in the bank?

:joker:

[Marsh.]

:joker:

Oh be quiet, I forgot. She's been banned for six months. lol

[Kate!]

This thread is showing me why I've not really been missing this forum.
Nothing worse than deliberate generalisation to piss people off.

Pyramid and a couple of her colleagues find jobs in the blink of an eye after many years experience in a very specialised job role and suddenly every unemployed person in the country is lazy?
6 people to every job means you should find a job within 6 attempts?

What a load of ****e.

Is this like a person in a mansion with three cars looking at homeless people telling them it's not as hard as they're making out to live in a comfortable house with money in the bank?

Absolutely great post - welcome back 08, :).

[the truth]

I agree work can be found, not necessarily the work you want or are qualified for, well then work in a job whilst still looking for the job you want

care work is everywhere, drivers jobs, buses, coaches, taxis, deliveries, vans, minibuses, as long as you have a cleanish license you can work most of these jobs

labouring, building, manual jobs etc

gardening, clearances, house removals etc

I agree some people are lazy and are encouraged to be lazy and do not make it happen

genuine cases should be treated differently , but young healthy fit people, need a kick up the backside and stop getting spoon fed and instead need to be told to go to work

[Pyramid*]

This thread is showing me why I've not really been missing this forum.
Nothing worse than deliberate generalisation to piss people off.

Pyramid and a couple of her colleagues find jobs in the blink of an eye after many years experience in a very specialised job role and suddenly every unemployed person in the country is lazy?
6 people to every job means you should find a job within 6 attempts?

What a load of ****e.

Is this like a person in a mansion with three cars looking at homeless people telling them it's not as hard as they're making out to live in a comfortable house with money in the bank?

If you don't like my viewpoints - feel free to disagree but at least try to do it in a civil manner.

Your memory is failing a little..... my ban was 3 months....not 6 as well as together with the fact that I am female, not male. :hugesmile:

Hardly my fault that there are jobs out there that are easily secured, or that there are those who cannot acknowledge that . .....despite plenty of folk arguing otherwise. It is possible to find new employment immediately - as I (and others on the thread have also stated).

I enjoy reading such comments that you made re this; after many years experience in a very specialised job role which show how little knowledge you have of my professional life but feel you know enough to criticise.

We all had different roles, different grades and some had only been with the company 2 years - a new job role for them at the time and at 23 years of age: one certainly didn't have many years of experience. How do you propose that she managed to secure a position without many years of experience in a 'not so specialised' occupation?

Although, I am hugely complimented by your comments 08Marsh, in that you regard my profession and role as a very specialised one, that's made me smile knowing that you think so highly of my abiliities.

What a lovely start to the morning. :spin:

[Pyramid*]

I agree work can be found, not necessarily the work you want or are qualified for, well then work in a job whilst still looking for the job you want

care work is everywhere, drivers jobs, buses, coaches, taxis, deliveries, vans, minibuses, as long as you have a cleanish license you can work most of these jobs

labouring, building, manual jobs etc

gardening, clearances, house removals etc

I agree some people are lazy and are encouraged to be lazy and do not make it happen

genuine cases should be treated differently , but young healthy fit people, need a kick up the backside and stop getting spoon fed and instead need to be told to go to work

Nice to see someone else sharing the view - and I agree with your final comment so much.

One size doesn't fit all and there will be some who for no viable reasons, cannot get work - but there is as I have said, an element of those (as you so put it), need a kick up the backside and stop wanting spoon fed.

[Pyramid*]

Fgs, I've bitten my lip for as long as I could.

Redway, I agree with you wholeheartedly. Pyramid, you've been back for a very short time and quite frankly I've stayed out of this thread, despite being offended by it, because I know you'll take great pleasure in knowing you've annoyed me. Imho you started this thread to deliberately be inflammatory and piss people off, the OP is nothing but a smug gloat about how things went extraordinarily well for you. You were lucky. I'm glad you found work so quickly, I wouldn't wish unemployment on anyone, its soul destroying. For the record, in my case it HAS been very difficult to find work, for many reasons that I'm not going to drone on about. Yet I'm still trying, and will continue to do so for as long as it takes. As for the inference that if a person really wanted to work then they could, that's bull and somewhat insulting. To reiterate, I really want to work, I'd give anything not to have been made redundant, I was unlucky. And eventually things will turn around and I'll get back on my feet again, through perseverance.

- imagines emoticon of banging head against brick wall -

:bored: give it a rest please.

Kate, your post comes over as one with a high degree of aggressiveness, with a bit of the passive being thrown in - that really is no needed all throughout it, particualarly when you start it off with "FGS".

It's very unfortunate that are finding it very difficult - I'm sorry to learn that you still find yourself in that position & I hope it turns around soon - however: let me point out that the position you find yourself in, is not my fault: so why have a go at me and show such anger at me?

Neither is it my fault that I & others were able to move from one employement to another with great ease and you have taken great exception to that being a discussion point.

With all respect to you Kate, instead of berating & attempting to attack me on a personal level which is mainly what you have done in your post above - there are many ways in which you could actively & interestingly contribute to the thread - explaining how difficult is it and what obstacles are in your way, and discussing what other avenues may be available (or not)... which I'd be far more receptive to as far as the discussion goes - rather than coming across angry because I have an viewpoint that you don't agree with.

[Pyramid*]

Im with Kate. Im glad to see you back Pyra but sometimes you do talk tosh. Just because something worked out great for you and a few collegues who all have working experience under their belts, does not mean success can be generalized to everybody so easily.


Thanks for the welcome Jords.... but I have said repeatedly and used the words 'some / 'an element' to indicate clearly that it is not a sweeping generalisation.

My own view is that is is not always as difficult as some make it out to be - and similarly there are those on the thread who have a different view: that they are of the view that it IS as difficult as it is made out to be.

That's the reason for the thread - to discuss these differing viewpoints and why we have them.

did the company you worked for give a reason for the redundancies whar was the company name????????????

Companies do not tend to make people redundant without giving a valid reason for doing so.

The name of Company is irrelevent and has no bearing on the discussion.




And the bit about us using other people's money?

Us?

:conf:

Scotland

Edinburgh is Scotland's leading provider of chargeable financial services, which collect funds (from the public or other institutions) and invests them in financial assets - financial services, by definition, do not use their own money.

http://www.scotland.org/work/key-industries/
did the company you worked for give a reason for the redundancies whar was the company name????????????




IMO, the so-called "financial services sector" is just another name for "parasites", wherever they are located ..... :hmph:

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news/article-2104374/UK-jobs-map-Best-worst-towns-country-work-revealed.html#ixzz25LwdFx1V

Surprise, surprise - there's a North/South divide for England ..... :idc:

And the Scots are living on offshore resources and using other people's money ..... :rolleyes:

Your recent posts are showing nothing more than xenophobia Omah and I for one would be grateful if you could stick to the sujbect matter: rather than trying to turn it into some Scotland vs England argument. thanks.

[Marc]

Sorry but this thread has been derailed and it's just causing a lot of harm to other members and we've had some complaints. I think it's best to just retify the issue by closing it. It'll re-open if the other MODs disagree with my ruling.