on julian and his humour

[alex_front2]

Q Are you as dull as Julian says you are?

A If im dull im happy with that because that guy is extremely dull. i know where hes going with everything he says. his humour is all related to gayness and we're past that. he told me he came to NY and nobody laughed at his shows - i know why because his humour is 30 years old


Source: OK mag

[Roy Mars III]

Lorenzo with that ether

[Locke.]

Lorenzo is right. Julian was pretty funny on launch night and again on BOTS after the final, but in the house Julie, Mike, Lorenzo and Harvey were all funnier.

[flamingGalah!]

Lorenzo, like many American's, just doesn't get his sort of humour...

I'm glad Lorenzo doesn't like his "gay" jokes it shows to me that Julian's humour is working, as it goes right over the top of his vacuous head :D

[alex_front2]

Got to agree with Lozza for sure. And I think it applies to most gay mainstream comics too. Alan Carr Graham Norton Zoe Lyons etc cant seem to get over their gayness even the ones who initial dont trade on being gay eventually bang on and on about being gay once hit mainstream eg Simon Amstell (used to be a bit less "gay") and Steven K Amos.

There is already Graham Norton and Alan Carr on TV doing the whole "us gays are so camp we hate sport*, straight men have no style (oh that tired old cliche, if youre going to stereotype the oppsite rings true; plenty of gays need style advice from.straight guys)".

Julian is a nice guy fundamentally but his comedy is very very dated. His whole "look im a homosexual" routine was cringey especially as previous cbb included a top ex - rugby player who just happened to be gay. theres a reason why clarey isnt on TV and it has nothing to do with 1993 comedy awards and norman lamont.





* Its as if cricketer Stephen davies and rugbys Gareth Thomas from cbb 9 never existes

[alex_front2]

Lorenzo, like many American's, just doesn't get his sort of humour...

I'm glad Lorenzo doesn't like his "gay" jokes it shows to me that Julian's humour is working, as it goes right over the top of his vacuous head :D

Its nothing to do with not getting it - its just passe humour. Lozza lives in NY so he probably knows plenty of gays lesbians and bi folks in his chic socialite lifestyle. julians humour doesnt work nowadays as this is increasingly a post gay era ie straight guys are no longer really "afraid" or gay guys more indifference. straight guys often are better dressed bettee groomed and urbane than alot of gay guys. theres a gay guy who works nearby who has dandruff unironed trousers and really naff suits.

i was expecting harvey and ash to be homophobic to him but ash sweetly said to julian on about 2 day "ill beat anyone up who's nasty to you", plus he got the 'white swallow' joke when so called lover of camp julie didnt. Harvey got on with julian it was julian who tried to play victim with all hes tedious 'there are too many straight guys' bigotry.

Elsewhere in interview Lozza says he liked jasimne she had a lovely side but also a dark side and she needs help.

he was very attractes to danica but doesnt trust her or likw her career path. he hates porn. he thinks her boyfriend is odd to let her rinse/ flirt with guys and suggested he.might be a swinger who gets off on seeing her witg other guys.

he also says he still doesnt get Brit humour. He implies its not very clever sophisticated and that dressing up in silly costumes would be on kida tv in US.

[the truth]

julian isnt that funny, but hes also not that nice or warm either. hes narrow minded and a total hypocrite too. the way he tried to say all hetro men are bores and did the usual Im too amrt and funny for american routines. everything he did and said was unoriginal and 30 years out of date. is he was likebale, warm, nice open minded he may have got away with it, but he isnt any of those things. his after show interview he had nothing left to say after a few minutes. very dull. I thought brian was far wittier, warmer, funnier and more likeable in their interview. whereas lorenzo seemed a genuinely nice interesting well rounded bloke. Im interested to know more about.

[flamingGalah!]

Well plenty of people do still find his sort of humour funny, just as they do with Alan Carr & Graham Norton...

It is quite 'seaside postcard' humour, full of double entrendres & the like, something that British humour has always had a niche in, like the "Carry On" films...

I just don't think Lorenzo gets it full stop, but then I'm not surprised from someone as dull as him :joker:

[Saph]

Joan Rivers has been telling the same jokes since the 70s and they're still hilarious, it just depends what you find funny. I thought Julian was hilarious with his bitchy comments.

[alex_front2]

I get the humour just dont find it funny now. Ive moved on. Clarey hasnt. Hes still peddling the same gaggs from 1993.Thats why hes not on TV. Bless him. We live in a world where our milkmen etc are gay. No biggy. Except noone seems to have told julian that nobody realy cares if hes a 53 year old homosexual. Ott gay humour is very dated now. im no fan of film producer Judd Apatow films but hes capturing the zeitgeist comedy mood.

if anything comedy is now more masculinised. gays used to boast about having the smart one liners, now the straight men do.

Now even female comics are moving on from that camp/ girly stuff. in movies theres been a trend to no longer depict gay guys as the asexual effeminate guy with the predictable camp gags but as a bloke who is masculine sloppy and bit of a dumb jock who just happens to like men.

Still I was shocked goodyear didnt get the white swallow gag. when he did the "i used to work at the circus" i rolled my eyelids ( and was again shocked non of hm saw joke coming a mile off) as he tol that SAME joke on Sat Night Live 30 years ago. He doesnt even have new material.

im no fan of russell brand but he took camp humour, laced it with laddishness and heterosexuality and made it modern and different. julian clarey reminds me of that woman from 1970s sitcom "Are You Being Served" who goes on about her "pussy". Yep that naff.

[the truth]

Well plenty of people do still find his sort of humour funny, just as they do with Alan Carr & Graham Norton...

It is quite 'seaside postcard' humour, full of double entrendres & the like, something that British humour has always had a niche in, like the "Carry On" films...

I just don't think Lorenzo gets it full stop, but then I'm not surprised from someone as dull as him :joker:

yes but the likes of kenneth williams and graham norton are far funnier than julian clary. far more interesting, far warmer, nicer, friendlier, chattier, more broad minded...his material wasnt funny in 1990 and its not funny enough now either...saying something snide and sarcastic to a less intelligent american, is not exactly a huge achievement.i saw julian clary's attempt to remake a carry on film, it got 2.5 out of 10 on IMDB it was the unfunniest film ever. Hes simply not as funny. nothing to do with being gay at all.

I was very disappointed with him overall. He must have been an insufferable bore to live with

[ChristmasNeeve]

Well said Lorenzo. Julian is extremely dull, he did **** all in that house, he only won because of his popularity before BB

[the truth]

Joan Rivers has been telling the same jokes since the 70s and they're still hilarious, it just depends what you find funny. I thought Julian was hilarious with his bitchy comments.

joan rivers is still funny, julian isnt. joan is a worldwide hit. she doesnt pick her targets she laughs about everything. but underneath that razor sharp wit and occasional loose tongue, lies a very very warm, passionate loving person. she does loads for charities too. I quite understand how she could offend some people, but she gets away with it because she is funny and because she laughs at herself and doesnt choose targets. Id say similar things about larry david. another genius jewish comedian and jackie mason or garry shandling. all have the ability to observe the hilarious pecularities of the human condition and all have the ability to laugh at themselves. theyre all warm and likeable people too , which makes them even funnier imho

[the truth]

Well said Lorenzo. Julian is extremely dull, he did **** all in that house, he only won because of his popularity before BB

true ....and also because the competition was lets face it , pitiful. I mean colleen nolan was 2nd? say no more.

[ChristmasNeeve]

true ....and also because the competition was lets face it , pitiful. I mean colleen nolan was 2nd? say no more.

never mind Coleen coming second, that lush Denise actually won last year, sometimes I wonder why I carry on watching :bored:

[optimisticcynic]

Lorenzo hit the nail on the head re: this outdated bore.

[flamingGalah!]

Well some of you don't like him/his humour, BUT I & many others do :xyxwave:

[the truth]

Well some of you don't like him/his humour, BUT I & many others do :xyxwave:

thats fair enough galah. I hope you enjoy it. Humour is subjective. each to his own, no worries:blush:

[alex_front2]

Julian won as he was a decent guy (living in a house with HAM) who put up with goodyear. not really for his humour. julie jasmine lozza were easily funnier than him. and julian is the comic.

the public wantes to like him. he'll get a tv show but it will flop. gay comedy can no longer claim to be funnier and sharper that "straight" comedy.

if this had been normal bb he woyld have been evicted like scot n tom.but as long as ham didnt win i cant complain about clareys win.

[the truth]

worst mistake mike made was forming ham, it dillute dhis vote. especially as harvey and ashley became less impressive as the show wore on. martin just didnt front up enough in face to face nominations, even he admitted that. though I think he probably deserved to win overall. he wasnt that entertaining or funny. but he was a cool guy and didnt try too hard, didnt disrespect anyone and did in fact stand up to julie, danica and harveys dodgy behaviour. hes a massive star and a stellar bloke and I look forward to seeing what he does next.

[Brother Leon]

Well said. He was really unfunny in there and joins the long list of dull BB winners too.

[alex_front2]

worst mistake mike made was forming ham, it dillute dhis vote. especially as harvey and ashley became less impressive as the show wore on. martin just didnt front up enough in face to face nominations, even he admitted that. though I think he probably deserved to win overall. he wasnt that entertaining or funny. but he was a cool guy and didnt try too hard, didnt disrespect anyone and did in fact stand up to julie, danica and harveys dodgy behaviour. hes a massive star and a stellar bloke and I look forward to seeing what he does next.

Agree too close HAM alignnent damaged his chances. I was no fan of Mikes but objectively he could have won if
- he spent more time with Martin, Sam and Colleen (older viewers are key voters)
- been friends with Lozza - DR 50 shades of leopard was his high point
- not been sexist "we need to get rid of titties" was not going to win votes
- didnt take danica romance so serioisly - he became obsessive and heavy
- not encouraged ashs treatment of rhian

[Suze]

Well some of you don't like him/his humour, BUT I & many others do :xyxwave:

I think Julian's very humourous, it was Lorenzo I found boring, that said, fair enough if Lorenzo doesn't get Julian's humour, not everyone will. Julian's tour is a sellout, so he must be doing something right :)

[Jake.]

Q Are you as dull as Julian says you are?

A If im dull im happy with that because that guy is extremely dull. i know where hes going with everything he says. his humour is all related to gayness and we're past that. he told me he came to NY and nobody laughed at his shows - i know why because his humour is 30 years old


Source: OK mag

Coming from the one who doesn't have a sense of humor.

[dizzy bint]

I agree with Lorenzo, Julian wasn't funny in the BB house. I think he's no good at spontaneous humour, he seems to need a script.

Lorenzo was never going to see the best of British humour in that house.

[alex_front2]

Julian has a joke/ script writer whos been working with him for 30+ years. Jamie East met him - conroversially - he seemed to be the ONLY family n friend Jamie East met. Dont recall Jamie meeting any of Danicas Harveys Martins or Ashleys family n ftiends...just Julians (who also was one of the first and few HMs that we saw live do live noms)

[the truth]

Sometimes we brits do come across as if we think we own irony. Its pretty arrogant and embarassing at times. The yanks have produced endless legendary comics , comedy shows and comedians. Its pretty ironic that so called ironic comics like julian clary cant recognixe this in others.
I just found clary's entire performance, so utterly predictable, shallow and forgettable
I could have said pretty much word for word , what he would say and do in the house, how he would behave and that the british audience would of course vote him as the winner regardless of how cold boring and judgemental he was

as for lorenzo, he was a good guy, he had a sense of humour, I think the accusation of dullness was totally unfounded and prejudged.

[alex_front2]

Julian found Lozza dull as he probably didnt find him hilarious..Julian said it himself -comedians thrive on the 'applause'.

Julians humour in a nutshell

- puns on gay sex acts
- look how gay i am
- straight things like sport are awful and dull (dont tell cbb gareth thomas that being a ex rugby star isnt gay)
- this straight guy is secretly gay
- straight people cant dress well
- womens bodies/ straight sex are gross, yep you've guessed it julians gay

[Indy]

Why is it always finding something tired and outdated gets rewritten as "not getting it" when it's painfully obvious that it's nothing more than being tired and outdated? I get Julian's jokes. I found the genre funny...30 years ago. His contemporaries from that time have moved on. Even if they work in a niche, they've kept their material up to date and topical.

In the US, the LOGO channel is devoted 24/7 to nothing but LGBT programming. That includes countless shows starring comedians, doing stand-up, chat, skit, etc. Julian's act isn't sophisticated enough to warrant a 30 second bumper between commercials on that channel. Then there are all the mainstream programs featuring gay or lesbian stars on all the network channels.

The only place anyone is laughing at material like Julian's anymore is on RuPaul's Drag Race, except they're using it to be ironic.

[Suze]

Why is it always finding something tired and outdated gets rewritten as "not getting it" when it's painfully obvious that it's nothing more than being tired and outdated? I get Julian's jokes. I found the genre funny...30 years ago. His contemporaries from that time have moved on. Even if they work in a niche, they've kept their material up to date and topical.

In the US, the LOGO channel is devoted 24/7 to nothing but LGBT programming. That includes countless shows starring comedians, doing stand-up, chat, skit, etc. Julian's act isn't sophisticated enough to warrant a 30 second bumper between commercials on that channel. Then there are all the mainstream programs featuring gay or lesbian stars on all the network channels.

The only place anyone is laughing at material like Julian's anymore is on RuPaul's Drag Race, except they're using it to be ironic.

I don't agree, as I haven't seen many if any state that not getting Julian's humour has anything to do with tired and outdated, as we have seen many a time that tired and outdated can suddenly become the new/latest in thing, for the very fact it becomes new and in again. This happens with fashion all the time, and furniture/decor. A revival of past trends suddenly the next best thing, the same goes with comics also and other stuff.

Julian's humour therefore is nothing to do with tired and outdated, it simply is as with most comedians and such the fact if you don't get them you probably never will, as we all enjoys different types of humour, some the toilet humour, some the darker humour, some the sick humour, and the list goes on. I like Julian's brand of humour, as well as a few other Comedians humour, amongst the different types of humour. It all has to do with that. Julian has fans of differing ages, as do all comedians. And Julian also has a, may I point out again, sellout tour at the moment, he is hardly a hasbeen in the sense of the word.

And for those who have sometimes felt the need to justify their favourites losing the last CBB, as Julian fans voting for him because of liking him beforehand, well yes, that does happen with housemates for a few, but some watching probably won't have heard of Julian, so will vote because they liked him as a housemate as will most. I know I liked him before he went in, however if I had found him to be a boring, unentertaining housemate, I would not have continued to want him to win unless there were no better housemates in there, as it is he didn't disappoint in the CBB house. I liked the fact that he didn't see fit to carry through his comedy persona rather than his natural persona which he knows very well is seperate from his stage act. He was simply himself, and quite a loveable himself at that. So for some to state he was voted for mainly anything but that by his fans, is a slight to both Julian and his fans, and quite seriously a taste of sour grapes seeping through even.

Just to add also, many Comedian's have material written for them for all different reasons, one being they can be far too busy to write any, all, or most of their material, so in real life off the cuff wittisism's are their own, and that is why they do well in their chosen career, because they can carry their comedy acts through so well.

[the truth]

I don't agree, as I haven't seen many if any state that not getting Julian's humour has anything to do with tired and outdated, as we have seen many a time that tired and outdated can suddenly become the new/latest in thing, for the very fact it becomes new and in again. This happens with fashion all the time, and furniture/decor. A revival of past trends suddenly the next best thing, the same goes with comics also and other stuff.

Julian's humour therefore is nothing to do with tired and outdated, it simply is as with most comedians and such the fact if you don't get them you probably never will, as we all enjoys different types of humour, some the toilet humour, some the darker humour, some the sick humour, and the list goes on. I like Julian's brand of humour, as well as a few other Comedians humour, amongst the different types of humour. It all has to do with that. Julian has fans of differing ages, as do all comedians. And Julian also has a, may I point out again, sellout tour at the moment, he is hardly a hasbeen in the sense of the word.

And for those who have sometimes felt the need to justify their favourites losing the last CBB, as Julian fans voting for him because of liking him beforehand, well yes, that does happen with housemates for a few, but some watching probably won't have heard of Julian, so will vote because they liked him as a housemate as will most. I know I liked him before he went in, however if I had found him to be a boring, unentertaining housemate, I would not have continued to want him to win unless there were no better housemates in there, as it is he didn't disappoint in the CBB house. I liked the fact that he didn't see fit to carry through his comedy persona rather than his natural persona which he knows very well is seperate from his stage act. He was simply himself, and quite a loveable himself at that. So for some to state he was voted for mainly anything but that by his fans, is a slight to both Julian and his fans, and quite seriously a taste of sour grapes seeping through even.

Just to add also, many Comedian's have material written for them for all different reasons, one being they can be far too busy to write any, all, or most of their material, so in real life off the cuff wittisism's are their own, and that is why they do well in their chosen career, because they can carry their comedy acts through so well.


Sorry this is utter nonsense. Almost everyone gets Julians humour. Its about as obvious and basic as it gets. It lacks any subtlety, originality or depth. Added to this , he doesnt actually get to know people and therefore his comedic interactions lack any depth or dimensions. the great comics have infinitely more depth and variety. they study and observe people and situations and the world around them. whether it be the geniuses like larry david, chris rock, bill hicks, billy connolly, richard pryor, or less famous but brilliant observational comics like rhod gilbert or omad djilili too study and observe situations and peoples idiocincracies. These comics are a joy to behold.

Sorry by julians stale bitter outdated material is not just unfunny its a bit unpleasant and judgemental too.

[Suze]

Sorry this is utter nonsense. Almost everyone gets Julians humour. Its about as obvious and basic as it gets. It lacks any subtlety, originality or depth. Added to this , he doesnt actually get to know people and therefore his comedic interactions lack any depth or dimensions. the great comics have infinitely more depth and variety. they study and observe people and situations and the world around them. whether it be the geniuses like larry david, chris rock, bill hicks, billy connolly, richard pryor, or less famous but brilliant observational comics like rhod gilbert or omad djilili too study and observe situations and peoples idiocincracies. These comics are a joy to behold.

Sorry by julians stale bitter outdated material is not just unfunny its a bit unpleasant and judgemental too.


It is not utter nonsense at all. You have your opinion, I have mine. I gave good, valid, solid, reasons. Just because you do not agree with them does not make them wrong and yours right. Should I slate your views by calling them utter nonsense?

[coolface]

julian isnt that funny, but hes also not that nice or warm either. hes narrow minded and a total hypocrite too. the way he tried to say all hetro men are bores and did the usual Im too amrt and funny for american routines. everything he did and said was unoriginal and 30 years out of date. is he was likebale, warm, nice open minded he may have got away with it, but he isnt any of those things. his after show interview he had nothing left to say after a few minutes. very dull. I thought brian was far wittier, warmer, funnier and more likeable in their interview. whereas lorenzo seemed a genuinely nice interesting well rounded bloke. Im interested to know more about.

I agree, I also didn't like how patronising he was to mike

[the truth]

It is not utter nonsense at all. You have your opinion, I have mine. I gave good, valid, solid, reasons. Just because you do not agree with them does not make them wrong and yours right. Should I slate your views by calling them utter nonsense?

I didnt insult you personally, I just thought that particular point you made was nonsense. sorry if that offends you.

[the truth]

I agree, I also didn't like how patronising he was to mike

he didnt give mike the tiniest chance to get to know each other. mike made the effort, he was warm and open. julian was cold and premjudging. particularly upsetting when he preaches hos narrow minded and boring hetrosexual men are, when he was far more narrow minded and judgemental.

[Black Dagger]

No1curr about what Lorenzo has to say. :hmph:

[the truth]

No1curr about what Lorenzo has to say. :hmph:

Clearly from the threads on here, some people do care, so you are wrong.

[alex_front2]

again i didn't have a problem with julian winning however his humour is a bit crap and tired. there were at least 4 funnier hms - not good when you're supposed to be a comic.

to reiterate russell brand isn't my cup of tea, but he's taken camp comedy and reinvented it. julian is still peddling the same material from 1993. theres a reason he's not on tv these days. shows like queer eye for straight guy, comedies such as gimme gimme gimme and terry and julian don't work anymore as gay men are no longer revered as comedic witty superiors and arbitors of good taste.

[Kizzy]

Julian is very dry, he is witty and i love him :)

[alex_front2]

my gran loves julian as do loads of pensioners.

[the truth]

my gran loves julian as do loads of pensioners.

good for them, beauty is in the eye of the beholder

[alex_front2]

yep just goes to show humour is changing - new generation etc

[Indy]

I don't agree, as I haven't seen many if any state that not getting Julian's humour has anything to do with tired and outdated, as we have seen many a time that tired and outdated can suddenly become the new/latest in thing, for the very fact it becomes new and in again. This happens with fashion all the time, and furniture/decor. A revival of past trends suddenly the next best thing, the same goes with comics also and other stuff.

Julian's humour therefore is nothing to do with tired and outdated, it simply is as with most comedians and such the fact if you don't get them you probably never will, as we all enjoys different types of humour, some the toilet humour, some the darker humour, some the sick humour, and the list goes on. I like Julian's brand of humour, as well as a few other Comedians humour, amongst the different types of humour. It all has to do with that. Julian has fans of differing ages, as do all comedians. And Julian also has a, may I point out again, sellout tour at the moment, he is hardly a hasbeen in the sense of the word.

And for those who have sometimes felt the need to justify their favourites losing the last CBB, as Julian fans voting for him because of liking him beforehand, well yes, that does happen with housemates for a few, but some watching probably won't have heard of Julian, so will vote because they liked him as a housemate as will most. I know I liked him before he went in, however if I had found him to be a boring, unentertaining housemate, I would not have continued to want him to win unless there were no better housemates in there, as it is he didn't disappoint in the CBB house. I liked the fact that he didn't see fit to carry through his comedy persona rather than his natural persona which he knows very well is seperate from his stage act. He was simply himself, and quite a loveable himself at that. So for some to state he was voted for mainly anything but that by his fans, is a slight to both Julian and his fans, and quite seriously a taste of sour grapes seeping through even.

Just to add also, many Comedian's have material written for them for all different reasons, one being they can be far too busy to write any, all, or most of their material, so in real life off the cuff wittisism's are their own, and that is why they do well in their chosen career, because they can carry their comedy acts through so well.

So are you psychic, and therefore able to tell who does and does not "get" his humor, even when they plainly say (as at least 3 people have in this thread) that his act is old and stale? Once upon a time, Julian was funny. So were the other 20 or 30 "known" comedians who did similar acts. In the meantime, those 20 or 30 other comedians have either moved on to more current material or faded into obscurity, leaving one or two to cling to their former fame like an over the hill Vegas act in an off-the-strip Holiday Inn.

Once upon a time, Jaleel White made millions for wearing horn rimmed glasses and snorting "did I do that?". In 2012 he presents a game show, where he delivers funny lines, but doesn't have to rely on his 1994 schtick. Just because Urkel is "remembered" doesn't mean people still laugh when they hear his catchphrase. Just because Julian's painfully obvious gay humor got a laugh 30 years ago, doesn't mean people still find it funny, outside the nostalgia factor.

[the truth]

yeah anyone who doesnt find him funny or likeable is clearly too dumb to understand the genius of hiw work. work which has been as memorable a sexual double entendre x 1000 for 20 odd years and nothing else. its not just his shallow predictable material, its him. hes not a warm, chatty, likeable man imho

[alex_front2]

Nope when Julian did it on Saturday Night Live in mid 1980s he was one of the better acts (not tough when he was on bill with then Labour lovey Ben Elton and Harry Enfield's very overrated and ubiquitous "Loadsa Money" and Stavros characters). He was more overtly outlandish than previous camp/ gay comics eg Frankie Howard, Larry Grayson etc. Sure the 1993 comedy awards hurt him but he never really came back as by the time he was "forgiven" for the Lamont/ f*sting comments in 2000s his style - once seen as edgy - was out of date. Julian relied on straight female style blunders and straight male homophobia and mens discomfort with gays to get jokes as i said before straight guys have few issues with gays and straight women are more style focussed than 1980s.

Julian has not really changed with times. It's same old same old. Comedy doesnt have to be always topical but he's peddling the same stuff from 1986s and hoping the grannies are too confused to remember. Why cant he accept that gay and straight guys are not really radicaly different. Harvey had a skin beauty regime FFS.

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Loved his dig at Julian at 5.50 :joker:

[alex_front2]

Lozza on XFactorUS

Lorenzo Borghese ‏@LBorghese
What's up with tv? The x factor has simply become american idol with a different name. Its still chicken pic.twitter.com/mzTEFRxw (http://twitter.com/LBorghese/status/246411513378770944/photo/1 - cue Britney picture)