View Full Version : TIBB's Sports Personality of the Year 2012 [Round 2 VOTE.]
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Even greater and more prestigious then BBC Sports Personality of the year some might say
Wouldn't really do this any other year but since the Sports section of the forum has been the most active since i joined the forum and on top of that it's been one of the greatest years for Sport in a long time and people might actually vote i might as well give it a go
Round 1
Simply Nominate Up to 10 British Personalities and up to 10 Non British Personalities as well in this thread, as soon as i get a list of around 40-50 people for each Category and a good amount of votes Round 2 will begin
Shaun
14-09-2012, 01:20 AM
British:
- Bradley Wiggins
- Laura Trott
- Victoria Pendleton
- Rebecca Adlington
- Chris Hoy
- Sophie Christiansen
- Eleanor Simmonds
- David Weir
- Mo Farah
- Jason Kenny
Non-British:
- Serena Williams
- Ranomi Kromowidjojo
- Carmelita Jeter
- Ye Shiwen
- Rūta Meilutytė
- Eli Manning
- Fernando Alonso
- Roger Federer
- Robin van Persie tbf
- Andrea Pirlo
British
Andy Murray
Jessica Ennis
Bradley Wiggins
Mo Farah
Ben Ainslie
Laura Trott
Alistair Brownlee
David Weir
Chris Hoy
Greg Rutherford
Non British
Victoria Azarenka
Lionel Messi
Serena Williams
Usain Bolt
Allyson Felix
David Rudisha
Roger Federer
Andres Iniesta
Missy Franklin
Ashton Eaton
Locke.
14-09-2012, 01:46 AM
Jade Jones
Mo Farah
Jessica Ennis
Katarina Johnson-Thompson
Laura Trott
Greg Rutherford
Nicola Adams
Big Andy Carroll
The Beast, Yohan Blake
Usain Bolt
Shelly-Ann Fraser-Pryce
Sabine Lisicki
Serena Williams
Roger Federer
Vincent Kompany
Brother Leon
14-09-2012, 02:04 AM
Bradley Wiggins
Mo Farah
Jessical Ennis
Chris Hoy
Greg Rutherford
Jade Jones
Danny Welbeck (Need a Footballer:idc:. Best performer at the Euros)
David Weir
Johnny Peacock
Ashley Mckenzie
Usain Bolt
Johan Blake
Cristiano Ronaldo
Lionel Messi
Robin Van Persie
Lebron James
Kevin Durant
Roger Federer
Vincent Kompany(****)
Serena Williams
Mostly Males as I don't follow too much Women's sport except for the bait ones :(
Black Dagger
14-09-2012, 09:05 AM
British
Andy Murray
Alistair Brownlee
Peter Wilson
Ellie Simmonds
David Weir
Laura Trott
Mo Farah
Jonny Peacock
Chris Hoy
Bradley Wiggins
Non-British
Carlos Tevez
Novak Djockovic
Usain Bolt
Yohan Blake
Michael Phelps
Roger Federer
Samir Nasri
Shelly-Anne Frazer-Price
British:
Andy Murray
Victoria Pendleton
Mo Farah
Chris Hoy
Laura Trott
Bradley Wiggins
Ellie Simmons
Sarah Storey
Katherine Grainger
Non-British:
Usain Bolt
Michael Phelps
Ryan Lotche (spelt wrong)
Roger Federer
Robin VP
Serena Williams
Ruta meilutyte (spelt wrong)
Missy Franklin
Legend killer
14-09-2012, 10:09 AM
British it should be Mcilroy by a landslide what he is doing at the moment in golf is unmatched by any other British performer in any sport
Non-British has to be given by the Caveman. Won Andy he's gold medal which in turn gave him the confidence to win the US Open. Also a Bronze Medallist himself
Shaun
14-09-2012, 10:11 AM
yes hitting a ball down a field with a club is really up there with the physical exertion and competitive dominance displayed by Tour de France cyclists, heptathletes and long-distance runners
Legend killer
14-09-2012, 10:29 AM
Facepalm have you ever tried to play golf it is technically harder then pretty much every sport you wil compete in. In all the events you mentioned there is only a handful of people that are actually world class while it the Golf circuit due to the weather , varying layout's for courses from day to day and the fact that there is at least 25-30 people good enough to win in any given day. Which makes Mcilroy's achievments even greater
Haha I do sorta agree with LK, I've played golf for years and had lessons and I'm still hopeless at it, incredibly hard sport to master
British:
Jess Ennis
Mo
David Weir
Ellie Simmonds
Alistair Cook
Stuart Broad
Ben Ainslie
Andy Murray
Bradley Wiggins
Rory McIlroy
Non-British:
Jacqueline Freney
Hashim Amla
Serena Williams
Oscar Pistorius
Bolt
Lochte
Yohan Blake
Might add 3 more to the non-British when I think of them
Kate!
14-09-2012, 11:32 AM
British
Andy Murray
Victoria Pendleton
Jessica Ennis
Bradley Wiggins
Rebecca Adlington
Non-British
Roger Federer
Serena Williams
Victoria Azarenka
Legend killer
14-09-2012, 12:10 PM
Haha I do sorta agree with LK, I've played golf for years and had lessons and I'm still hopeless at it, incredibly hard sport to master
http://i40.tinypic.com/5kosvn.jpg
Could be the start of a beautiful thing
Facepalm have you ever tried to play golf it is technically harder then pretty much every sport you wil compete in. In all the events you mentioned there is only a handful of people that are actually world class while it the Golf circuit due to the weather , varying layout's for courses from day to day and the fact that there is at least 25-30 people good enough to win in any given day. Which makes Mcilroy's achievments even greater
So if there are hardly a handful of people that are actually world class in other sports and 25-30 can win it in Golf.. doesn't that mean that the other Sports are harder to master and it's a case of luck between the 25-30 in Golf
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Legend killer
14-09-2012, 03:09 PM
I have heard it all now Cycling is a harder sport to master then Golf PMSL
BRB Oh my god i have to change my gears not only going up a hill but down a hill aswell how will i cope with such situation
BRB Have teamates that will do all the hard work for me while i take the glory at the end
http://forum.encyclopediadramatica.se/attachments/oh_gif-gif.4719/
Oh no!!! The wind is blowing ever so slightly i need to adjust my extremely heavy club and aim to the left more! oh wait i don't even have to carry my clubs or anything because i have someone to do that for me after all it's a bit to much effort carrying a bag of clubs after hitting a golf ball down a field
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ma71hoPoQQ1qh2k18o1_400.gif
Sorry Novo you have lost this one
Roy Mars III
14-09-2012, 03:28 PM
Golf is more of a mental sport and really shouldn't be compared the same way as cycling or running
Golf is harder to master over all though
Legend killer
14-09-2012, 03:35 PM
Sorry Novo you have lost this one
http://www.the-mainboard.com/styles/default/xenforo/eastereggs/gaddam.gif
Me and Shaun are TIBB's most knowledgeable Sports posters on the forum you would do well to listen to us, give me a year or so i could master Golf.. and finish in a decent position in a pretty well known Golf Tournament.. let's face it it's more of a hobby then a sport, even wrestlers work harder then Golfers
Legend killer
14-09-2012, 04:03 PM
So it takes you a solid year to master golf and takes maybe 2 weeks MAX to learn to ride a bike yet Cycling is the harder sport to master??
http://www.the-mainboard.com/styles/default/xenforo/eastereggs/gaddam.gif
Legend killer
14-09-2012, 04:05 PM
Oh wait i forgot it takes that extra bit of time to master the GEARS PMSL
MeMyselfAndI
14-09-2012, 04:08 PM
Golf is for sad old men
Legend killer
14-09-2012, 04:14 PM
^^^ Tiger Woods says HI
He probs nailed your Leona more then once
Roy Mars III
14-09-2012, 04:15 PM
Golf is one of the top three greatest sports to play
Locke.
14-09-2012, 04:18 PM
Going to a driving range > riding a bike
MeMyselfAndI
14-09-2012, 04:26 PM
Leona is pure class thats absurd, she has always been in relationships
MeMyselfAndI
14-09-2012, 04:27 PM
Golf is one of the top three greatest sports to play
For fat people, yes.
Roy Mars III
14-09-2012, 04:29 PM
For fat people, yes.
it would be pretty hard for a fat person to play golf well. the stance and swing would be dire
Legend killer
14-09-2012, 04:40 PM
For fat people, yes.
If tiger whipped his driver out in front of you you would drop your panties in a heartbeat just like Leona
Black Dagger
14-09-2012, 05:27 PM
Golf is for sad old men
My Dad is 42 (that isn't old xo) and content with his life tyvm.
Oh wait i forgot it takes that extra bit of time to master the GEARS PMSL
Meanwhile on the golf field somewhere a golfer is getting his lackey to carry his golfing clubs for 20 yards instead of carrying them himself, pathetic sport.
MeMyselfAndI
14-09-2012, 05:44 PM
If tiger whipped his driver out in front of you you would drop your panties in a heartbeat just like Leona
Stop being so disrespectful about Leona, reported.
Legend killer
14-09-2012, 08:24 PM
Meanwhile on the golf field somewhere a golfer is getting his lackey to carry his golfing clubs for 20 yards instead of carrying them himself, pathetic sport.
Golf Field
Novo ladies and gents who's sporting knowledge knows no bounds
MichaelJordanLOL.Gif
I don't watch Golf hence why i called it a field.. it looks like one
Locke.
14-09-2012, 08:42 PM
Dear oh dear
If legendkiller has to educate you anymore you'll need to start paying him a wage
Legend killer
14-09-2012, 08:44 PM
What field do you plan on mastering the sport in mate??
Roy Mars III
14-09-2012, 08:44 PM
and this is the guy we're trusting to run a Sports round in the Pub Quiz
Brother Leon
14-09-2012, 08:46 PM
We gonna get 50 screenshots of Vika or some ****.
Legend killer
14-09-2012, 08:49 PM
Dear oh dear
If legendkiller has to educate you anymore you'll need to start paying him a wage
http:// www.the-mainboard.com/styles/default/xenforo/eastereggs/gaddam.gif
http:// www.the-mainboard.com/styles/default/xenforo/eastereggs/gaddam.gif
A nice broken link for me there
Legend killer
14-09-2012, 08:55 PM
My education is free Novo don't worry about paying for it my dear child
Now tell us when you plan on starting your year long mastering of golf??Also what field you plan on practising in??
MichaelJordanLOL.Gif
Links won't post on my phone sadly
My education is free Novo don't worry about paying for it my dear child
Now tell us when you plan on starting your year long mastering of golf??Also what field you plan on practising in??
MichaelJordanLOL.Gif
Links won't post on my phone sadly
Dig up a few holes with a spade and go to this field here
http://pastorpresnell.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/field.jpg
Can't see any fairway there
Legend killer
15-09-2012, 11:12 AM
Novo i have a feeling your going to buy all the wrong equipment so let me give you a quick knowledge boost
Part 1 the golf club
http://www.sportstrolley.com/ekmps/shops/cricketimports/images/as-v3-cricket-bat-[2]-177-p.jpg
and this
http://cultec.sitestogo.biz/images/34%20Hurl.jpg
are a http://i.imgur.com/4EyAW.gif
THIS is a golf club http://www.tungsten-alloy.com/pic/golf-club-03.jpg
Notice there is usually more then one as different ones are needed for different shots around the golf course or field in your case
Part 2 to come soon where we will focus on the golf ball
Legend killer
15-09-2012, 11:33 AM
Part 2 the golf ball
http://images.free-extras.com/pics/n/nba_basketball-983.jpg
This
http://oceanofgrace.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/tennis-ball-650x487.jpg
And this
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_m1kI_C59e_U/TUZPkao5NcI/AAAAAAAAG3Y/kFueaAoJnzk/s400/Cricket-ball+%25281%2529.jpg
Are a no no
This is a golf ball http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e6/Golfball.jpg/260px-Golfball.jpg
Notice there are little dimples in the ball this allows for spin , grip etc
Black Dagger
15-09-2012, 11:49 AM
Can I vote a second time Novo?
Just to know get this thread back on track, this sports lesson is a bit year 2.
Yeah just make sure you don't vote any Golfers though
1st wiggins
2nd farrah
3rd murray
but then again i expect a woman to be in the running, this is the bbc, and they like to do whats politically correct, instead of doing whats right, so jess ennis will probably be in the top 3
Haha I do sorta agree with LK, I've played golf for years and had lessons and I'm still hopeless at it, incredibly hard sport to master
All sports are difficult to master though, you'd always have to train your hardest to compete against the best.
IheartBB
19-09-2012, 08:16 PM
All of my British nominations are Olympic gold medalists. It just doesn't make sense to me to nominate anyone who isn't this year. McIlroy can have 2013.
British
Jess Ennis
Mo Farrah
Greg Rutherford
Andy Murray
Bradley Wiggins
Laura Trott
Chris Hoy
James Kenny
Victoria Pendleton
Nicola Adams
International
Usain Bolt
Yohan Blake
Serena Williams
Roger Federer
Novak Djokovic
Victoria Azarenka
Shiwen Je
Michael Phelps
Missy Franklin
Allyson Felix
Marcus.
19-09-2012, 08:17 PM
andy murry
Brother Leon
19-09-2012, 08:47 PM
A lack of Lebron James on all the lists :suspect:
Locke.
19-09-2012, 08:49 PM
Kobe Bryant
Brother Leon
19-09-2012, 08:50 PM
Kobe Bryant
Lebron is Your new Striker....you do need one
http://hoopeduponline.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/lebron_james_liverpool.jpg
Locke.
19-09-2012, 08:52 PM
****
That's who I meant, always get them mixed up.. the only two I know
Roy Mars III
19-09-2012, 09:43 PM
Hikaru Nakamura
Jayson
19-09-2012, 09:45 PM
Olivier Giroud
Legend killer
19-09-2012, 11:57 PM
Firstly have to agree with Locke Kobe's epic Olympic performance coupled with his epic clutchness in the OKC series gives him the advantage in my honest opinion
Also the lack of votes for McIlroy is fuken disgusting and i am totally dissapointed in some of you
Locke.
19-09-2012, 11:58 PM
And of course real life monkey and upcoming monkey should now be in the race after their most recent title bout
Legend killer
20-09-2012, 12:04 AM
And of course real life monkey and upcoming monkey should now be in the race after their most recent title bout
http://rapradar.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/mj-gif.gif
Legend killer
20-09-2012, 12:07 AM
Seriously though i feel very strongly about the mis treatment of Rory and if he does not make top 3 at the very least i may very well leave this board
Doesn't deserve to make the top 3 this year i'm afraid
Legend killer
20-09-2012, 12:17 AM
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ywhf7ttVKcE/T4fulxR_E-I/AAAAAAAACCs/pL7PpwT9tN4/s640/jimmies-badass.png
IheartBB
20-09-2012, 08:25 PM
I guess this is goodbye then. :wavey:
James
21-09-2012, 08:29 PM
Rory Mcilroy is at a disadvantage because his USPGA win was only shown on Sky so a lot of people didn't see it. Though you could say it is a similar achievement to Andy Murray winning the US Open, though of course the fact that Britain hasn't won a tennis Grand Slam title for ages makes a difference.
Andy Murray
Ben Ainslie
Bradley Wiggins
Sir Chris Hoy
Laura Trott
Mo Farah
Peter Wilson
Rory Mcilroy
Sarah Storey
Victoria Pendleton
Andreas Insiesta
Cristiano Ronaldo
David Rudisha
Fernando Alonso (based on the F1 season so far)
Iker Cassilas
Lionel Messi
Oscar Pistorius
Robin van Persie
Usain Bolt
Vincent Kompany
Delayed posting so as not to give anyone a clue to one of the Pub Quiz answers. :p
Legend killer
26-09-2012, 10:54 PM
http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/25181345.jpg
That's 2 in one night
What are you on about now
Legend killer
26-09-2012, 11:05 PM
Lets get round 2 underway round 1 has been going a bit to long
http://i.imgur.com/u2cJg.jpg
Legend killer
26-09-2012, 11:13 PM
I'm sorry Novo it is unfair of me to be putting my insecurities on to you. It's just i have been let down by OP's in the past and i just find it hard to trust them since
british olympic gold medal winning bantamweight luke campbell
Legend killer
30-09-2012, 10:23 PM
Thread/
Rory has confirmed today that no other British athelete has been as sucessfull as him this year
IheartBB
04-11-2012, 07:56 PM
Shall we just call it a Bradley Wiggins victory then?
Legend killer
05-11-2012, 12:14 AM
I see Novo has failed to deliver sigh
For some reason I don't think this is the only time he has failed to rise to the occasion
NOMSAYEN
http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/3359/cerealer8.gif
The real thing isn't even on til December, calm down Bonzoo
Legend killer
05-11-2012, 12:24 AM
Who is that BUM in your Avatar??
You clearly don't have enough Knowledge to know so i won't tell you
Brother Leon
05-11-2012, 12:28 AM
#Fail
Brother Leon please shut up
Legend killer
05-11-2012, 12:37 AM
#Fail
AMEN!!!
http://ilechoo.com/gallery/albums/gifs/owned.gif
Novo cannot escape in his own thread
We'll soon see who has failed when Round 2 is open and the winner will be announced before December, i don't even know why i reply to you two really you are like the Job Squad
Can you take over this please Legend Killer
Don't think he is capable adding up votes
Brother Leon
05-11-2012, 12:41 AM
This will win the Razzie for Biggest Fail. I will miss being the holder, but I know when I am beaten.
Legend killer
05-11-2012, 12:43 AM
PMSL Novo has no respect in the sports section at all I think he should be banned from the section to prevent futher ownage
MTVN make it happen
Look at all my adoring Foes trying to take me down in the hope they will gain my Knowledge
Legend killer
05-11-2012, 12:46 AM
MTVN and Brother I hope Rory can count on your votes
Brother Leon
05-11-2012, 12:47 AM
Nar, don't ban him from Sports section. We need someone to update us on the Scottish 6th division.
You need someone who can correct your mistakes and beat Legend Killer when it comes to Predictions, yes i agree
Legend killer
05-11-2012, 12:50 AM
Let's be honest for a min putting all bias and love for me aside . I am for sure the member who has the most respect amongst us sporting members
MTVN and Brother I hope Rory can count on your votes
Of course LK, golf will be well represented at this Sports Personality I'm sure
Legend Killer and King Anton are banned from voting in Round 2
Legend killer
05-11-2012, 12:57 AM
Of course LK, golf will be well represented at this Sports Personality I'm sure
And that sir is why you are one of the few members I respect on the sporting board. Knowledge beyond your years you are defo the one to take my mantle at the top when I leave
You won't leave until there is a successful Golf thread so that will be Never
Legend killer
05-11-2012, 01:08 AM
I will be gone by the end of the year so make the most of my greatness while you still have the chance
A nice early Christmas present for me there
Who will be leader of The We Rustle Jimmies And Like It Crew now
Probably his Lackey Brother Leon
What's happening with this? :suspect:
I'll give people til Monday to Nominate and then Round 2 will commence
Legend killer
08-11-2012, 08:29 PM
Novo tumbleweed is blowing in and out of this bloody thread cut to the chase and get round 2 underway
British
Bradley Wiggins
Laura Trott
Victoria Pendleton
Rebecca Adlington
Chris Hoy
Sophie Christiansen
David Weir
Jason Kenny
Andy Murray
Mo Farah
Ben Ainslie
Alistair Brownlee
Greg Rutherford
Jessica Ennis
Katarina Johnson-Thompson
Nicola Adams
Andy Carroll
Jade Jones
Danny Welbeck
Johnny Peacock
Ashley Mckenzie
Chris Hoy
Ellie Simmonds
Sarah Storey
Katherine Grainger
Alistair Cook
Stuart Broad
Ben Ainslie
Rory McIlroy
Peter Wilson
Heather Watson
Overseas
Serena Williams
Ranomi Kromowidjojo
Carmelita Jeter
Ye Shiwen
Rūta Meilutytė
Eli Manning
Fernando Alonso
Robin van Persie
Andrea Pirlo
Victoria Azarenka
Lionel Messi
Usain Bolt
Allyson Felix
David Rudisha
Roger Federer
Andres Iniesta
Missy Franklin
Ashton Eaton
Yohan Blake
Shelly-Ann Fraser-Pryce
Sabine Lisicki
Vincent Kompany
Cristiano Ronaldo
Lebron James
Kevin Durant
Carlos Tevez
Novak Djockovic
Michael Phelps
Samir Nasri
Ryan Lotche
Jacqueline Freney
Hashim Amla
Iker Cassilas
Oscar Pistorius
For Round simply PM me a list of 10 people from each category and order them from Top to Bottom with Top getting 10 Points and Bottom getting 1 Point.
A premade Layout for you to copy and paste because i am kind
British
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9 Points -
8 Points -
7 Points -
6 Points -
5 Points -
4 Points -
3 Points -
2 Points -
1 Point -
Overseas
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9 Points -
8 Points -
7 Points -
6 Points -
5 Points -
4 Points -
3 Points -
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1 Point -
Black Dagger
14-11-2012, 02:56 PM
British
10 Points - Andy Murray
9 Points - Peter Wilson
8 Points - Mo Farah
7 Points - Jade Jones
6 Points - Nicola Adams
5 Points - Ben Ainslie
4 Points - Sarah Storey
3 Points - Alistair Brownlee
2 Points - David Weir
1 Point - Victoria Pendleton
Overseas
10 Points - Samir Nasri
9 Points - Carlos Tevez
8 Points - Vincent Kompany
7 Points - Yohan Blake
6 Points - Shelly-Ann-Frazer
5 Points - Rodger Federer
4 Points - Usain Bolt
3 Points - Fernando Alonso
2 Points - Missy Franklin
1 Point - David Rudisha
Bloody PM it me Lucas :idc:
Locke.
14-11-2012, 03:01 PM
Don't see either of my 10 pointers on that list Dagger, go to your room and think about what you have done
Shaun
14-11-2012, 03:18 PM
voted!!!!1!
British
Bradley Wiggins
Laura Trott
Victoria Pendleton
Rebecca Adlington
Sophie Christiansen
David Weir
Jason Kenny
Andy Murray
Mo Farah
Alistair Brownlee
Greg Rutherford
Jessica Ennis
Katarina Johnson-Thompson
Nicola Adams
Andy Carroll
Jade Jones
Danny Welbeck
Johnny Peacock
Ashley Mckenzie
Chris Hoy
Ellie Simmonds
Sarah Storey
Katherine Grainger
Alistair Cook
Stuart Broad
Ben Ainslie
Rory McIlroy
Peter Wilson
Heather Watson
Overseas
Serena Williams
Ranomi Kromowidjojo
Carmelita Jeter
Ye Shiwen
Rūta Meilutytė
Eli Manning
Fernando Alonso
Robin van Persie
Andrea Pirlo
Victoria Azarenka
Lionel Messi
Usain Bolt
Allyson Felix
David Rudisha
Roger Federer
Andres Iniesta
Missy Franklin
Ashton Eaton
Yohan Blake
Shelly-Ann Fraser-Pryce
Sabine Lisicki
Vincent Kompany
Cristiano Ronaldo
Lebron James
Kevin Durant
Carlos Tevez
Novak Djockovic
Michael Phelps
Samir Nasri
Ryan Lotche
Jacqueline Freney
Hashim Amla
Iker Cassilas
Oscar Pistorius
For Round simply PM me a list of 10 people from each category and order them from Top to Bottom with Top getting 10 Points and Bottom getting 1 Point.
A premade Layout for you to copy and paste because i am kind
British
10 Points -
9 Points -
8 Points -
7 Points -
6 Points -
5 Points -
4 Points -
3 Points -
2 Points -
1 Point -
Overseas
10 Points -
9 Points -
8 Points -
7 Points -
6 Points -
5 Points -
4 Points -
3 Points -
2 Points -
1 Point -
.
Ben Ainslie on there twice
and Chris Hoy
Black Dagger
20-11-2012, 01:04 PM
I read it wrong. Ooopz.
Don't think I can be bothered to vote after all
Yeah votes could make the difference by the looks of things
Brother Leon
20-11-2012, 03:49 PM
Meh. Just give everything to Cristiano & Lebron and call it a wrap.
be quiet and vote before i wrap you round a lamppost
IheartBB
20-11-2012, 09:36 PM
Have I voted on this? I seem to recall doing it but can't find the message in my outbox...
Right, Chop Chop and all the rest of that
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