Israel 'planning to attack Iran before U.S. election'

[arista]

This has been reported
on NBC , ABC , CNN and FoxNewsHD


Prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu
has said Iran is in the red line zone.
And he does not need America's permission
to Nuke Iran.




Hell of a Guy
WW3 at his fingers.

[Marcus.]

WW3 what an nasty guy

[Mystic Mock]

Oh god do we all really need another war on our hands.

[Marcus.]

Oh god do we all really need another war on our hands.

Well to him we do
but me i do not

[arista]

This is more than a War
Its Fast Nukes Fired at Iran

That can start a World War.

[lostalex]

This is more than a War
Its Fast Nukes Fired at Iran

That can start a World War.

Israel is not gonna fire nukes, stop trying to sensationalize it.

The UN needs to get it's ass in gear. i find it remarkable and confusing that everyone expects the US to do something about this, what about the UN?

Israel has genuine concerns about Iran's nuclear capabilities. why hasn't the UN taken this seriously?

[arista]

He has said on USA TV
that he has the right to.
Now on Every USA News Ch.

And Barack is busy with his Election.

As for the UN
they are to slow.

Once Israel gets its Own Info on Irans Nukes (or whatever they think)
America is not part of their deal (while Barack is in power)

[mrlecturer]

Iran's nuclear project is for peaceful purposes. what's so difficult to understand?

[Mystic Mock]

Iran's nuclear project is for peaceful purposes. what's so difficult to understand?

Tbf Iran's not perfect either, do you remember what they done to the British Soldiers?

[lostalex]

Iran's nuclear project is for peaceful purposes. what's so difficult to understand?

If Iran is so peaceful why have they been funding terrorists for the past 10 years? You'd think they would be thanking the US for taking out Sadam, They HATED Sadam. But instead they have been funding terrorist groups that attack the US. They'd provoked and attacked the US by proxy at every oppurtunity they get.

If you think that Iran is "peaceful" then you have a very twisted definition of the word.

[Brother Leon]

If Iran is so peaceful why have they been funding terrorists for the past 10 years?

Elaborate....

[lostalex]

Elaborate....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_and_state_terrorism

[Brother Leon]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_and_state_terrorism

Hezbollah aren't terroorists.

Not any more than Israel or your own nation at least.

[lostalex]

Hezbollah aren't terroorists.

Not any more than Israel or your own nation.

My nation has never targeted civilians, unlike hezbollah, and Israel is irrelevent to this conversation. The Israeli civil war is no more the USA's concern than it is Iran's concern.

[Nedusa]

Israel does not have the military capability to unilaterally attack Iranian nuclear sites, any attack by Israel alone would not achieve the desired result. It would inflame the Muslim World like nothing you have ever seen before, it would force Israel onto the back foot and if anything would give Iran an excuse to leave the NPT and forcibly develop a Nuclear arms capability. Even if the US helped Israel they still could not guarantee they would completely
degrade Iran's Nuclear programme.

And any thoughts about Israel using Nukes against Iran are just plain nonsense. Where would they drop them ?? and what would be the point ?? The retaliation from Iran, Syria, and Poss Russia ( Bushear plant ??) and China would be devastating for a small country like Israel. Don't forget Syria and Iran have Chemical and Biological weapons which would be deployed if Israel used Nuclear weapons on Iran.

Chances are this would indeed precipitate WWIII..!!!

[Brother Leon]

My nation has never targeted civilians, unlike hezbollah, and Israel is irrelevent to this conversation. The Israeli civil war is no more the USA's concern than it is Iran's concern.

Japan & Afghanistan say Hey.

[lostalex]

Japan & Afghanistan say Hey.

They do sey "hey" because they are very close allies of the USA. what's your point?

Both attacked the USA first (Japan pearl harbor, Afghanistan 9/11), and the USA helped both get back on their feet after we defeated them. so what's yur point? That the USA doesn't just bomb and run? that we actually stick around and help our enemies after they are defeated? You think that's the wrong thing to do? Shame on us for being so generous.

[Scarlett.]

**** Israel, we should leave them to fight on their own.

[joeysteele]

I don't really trust either Iran or Israel to be honest.

[lostalex]

**** Israel, we should leave them to fight on their own.

Well i don't agree with the "F--- Israel" part, i don't wish them any harm, but i do agree that we should let them fight their own battles.

[Mystic Mock]

I don't really trust either Iran or Israel to be honest.

I agree with you on this Joey.

[Scarlett.]

Well i don't agree with the "F--- Israel" part, i don't wish them any harm, but i do agree that we should let them fight their own battles.

The '**** Israel' part was because I don't want another war started on some other countries behalf, Iran as a country really arent a threat to Europe and the US, it's none of our buisness. A war with Iran would piss of China and Russia, and we really don't want to do that.

[lostalex]

The '**** Israel' part was because I don't want another war started on some other countries behalf, Iran as a country really arent a threat to Europe and the US, it's none of our buisness. A war with Iran would piss of China and Russia, and we really don't want to do that.

Well i agree we have no business in a war with Iran, but not because it would piss off Russia or China.

I don't mind pissing off Russia or China. I think we've been too soft on them actually. They are getting a bit cocky lately. I don't think a good knock on the head would do them any harm. Mr. Putin and his Indiana Jones adventures and the Chinese with their "who me?" attitude. They could use a bit of waking up.

[Mystic Mock]

America, China, and Russia all need a kick up the arse as they think that they can do what they want when they can't.

[Brother Leon]

They do sey "hey" because they are very close allies of the USA. what's your point?

Both attacked the USA first (Japan pearl harbor, Afghanistan 9/11), and the USA helped both get back on their feet after we defeated them. so what's yur point? That the USA doesn't just bomb and run? that we actually stick around and help our enemies after they are defeated? You think that's the wrong thing to do? Shame on us for being so generous.

Don't try twist it and change the point. You said you have never targeted Civilians. Something which is not true, which was bought to your attention. Nothing about "We don't bomb and run". You HAVE targeted and killed numerous Civilians. More than Hezbollah have in fact. Of course though the western world media would label anyone who refuses to back down to Israel and the U.S as "Terrorists". I mean how dare they actually put up a fight when their land is being invaded and kids are being killed due to air strikes on their homeland.

[lostalex]

Don't try twist it and change the point. You said you have never targeted Civilians. Something which is not true, which was bought to your attention. Nothing about "We don't bomb and run". You HAVE targeted and killed numerous Civilians. More than Hezbollah have in fact. Of course though the western world media would label anyone who refuses to back down to Israel and the U.S as "Terrorists". I mean how dare they actually put up a fight when their land is being invaded and kids are being killed due to air strikes on their homeland.

if you have evidence of the USA targeting civilians I recommend you inform the Guardian or the New York Times, because that would be front page news. Why are you wasting time talking to me if you have such important and ground breaking news?

[the truth]

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[mrlecturer]

if you have evidence of the USA targeting civilians I recommend you inform the Guardian or the New York Times, because that would be front page news. Why are you wasting time talking to me if you have such important and ground breaking news?


Refer to US Drone Strikes in Pakistan.

On 14 July 2009, Daniel L. Byman of the Brookings Institution stated that although accurate data on the results of drone strikes is difficult to obtain, it seemed that ten civilians had died in the drone attacks for every militant killed. He suggested that drone strikes may kill "10 or so civilians" for every militant killed, which would represent a civilian to combatant casualty ratio of 10:1

Drone strikes, at times killing civilians, have been such a common occurrence in Pakistan for the past few years.

[billy123]

Oh god do we all really need another war on our hands.The U.S. does their economy relies on it to survive. They are the biggest exporter of arms in the world and they arent too picky about who they sell them to either even after it inevitably comes back to bite them on the arse.
http://www.carnegiecouncil.org/studio/audio/data/000774
The U.S. is responsible for 41% of the money the world spends on machines designed to murder every year they fuel the conflict because the money it generates is vital to their economy.

[Mystic Mock]

Thanks for the link Bobnot, I think it's sick tbh.

[billy123]

Thanks for the link Bobnot, I think it's sick tbh.It is disgusting behaviour i dont dislike Americans as people but their goverment led foreign policys turn my stomach.
Trying to force your own set of values onto other cultures and trying to act although your own set of ideals is the only right way is just vile and arrogant and we all know how that turned out the last time another country tried to push the rest of the world to think like them.

[Livia]

The last two days have been Rosh Hashanah, Jewish New Year. Netanyahu probably got a little shnickered and thought he could fight the world. You boys know what that's like, you've probably all been there.

[the truth]

The last two days have been Rosh Hashanah, Jewish New Year. Netanyahu probably got a little shnickered and thought he could fight the world. You boys know what that's like, you've probably all been there.

What on earth are you talking about? This is a potential world war? Youre cracking wise?

[Livia]

Truth... I don't know how to put this any plainer. Leave me alone. Stop quoting me. Put me on ignore if you have to. You bore with with your hysterics.

[the truth]

Truth... I don't know how to put this any plainer. Leave me alone. Stop quoting me. Put me on ignore if you have to. You bore with with your hysterics.

Please stop abusing me and other posters, please stop lowering the level of debate with endless snide petty comments about serious matters.:nono:

[Livia]

Please stop abusing me and other posters, please stop lowering the level of debate with endless snide petty comments about serious matters.:nono:

Put me on ignore then. And LEAVE ME ALONE.

[the truth]

Put me on ignore then. And LEAVE ME ALONE.

You don't like anyone standing up to you and your endless snide petty insults. Try and write something of substance instead about the topics at hand. Please leave me alone now and stop shouting in capital letters, very bad manners.:nono:

[Livia]

You don't like anyone standing up to you and your endless snide petty insults. Try and write something of substance instead about the topics at hand. Please leave me alone now and stop shouting in capital letters, very bad manners.:nono:

I love people standing up to me, when they're not hysterics and when they have a point to be discussed. You, on the other hand, feel you are always justified in taking the moral high ground in every argument. No other opinion counts but your own. That's not how it works here though. This is a discussion forum; it doesn't always have to be a hateful battle. You don't always have to be rude to people who don't share your view. I disagree with many people on here, and they frequently disagree with me, but in the main I get on with the vast majority of people despite our differences.

So... I know you like to have the last word, so write something cutting, add an emoticon because I know you feel it emphasises your point and then please, try to pretend I don't exist and I will extend you the same courtesy.

[the truth]

I love people standing up to me, when they're not hysterics and when they have a point to be discussed. You, on the other hand, feel you are always justified in taking the moral high ground in every argument. No other opinion counts but your own. That's not how it works here though. This is a discussion forum; it doesn't always have to be a hateful battle. You don't always have to be rude to people who don't share your view. I disagree with many people on here, and they frequently disagree with me, but in the main I get on with the vast majority of people despite our differences.

So... I know you like to have the last word, so write something cutting, add an emoticon because I know you feel it emphasises your point and then please, try to pretend I don't exist and I will extend you the same courtesy.

Yet another vacuous shallow reply, that offers zero substance and nothing about the serious topic at hand. Its sad because clearly you pretend to have major confidence, when in fact you lack the confidence to address the issues at hand and instead choose petty insults, for clearly this is all you think you are good at. The topic at hand here is, Israel attacking Iran and potentially starting a major war, possibly a world war. The fact the US sold £44 billion in arms last year, a lot to saudi arabia, egypt and israel should concern everyone. I will rise about your petty taunts of so called hyesteria and stick to the topic.

[InOne]

I was listening to the BBC World Service news lastnight and there was nothing on there about it. Does not seem like a massive thing and it's not making headlines, I'm sure this story just pops up every few months then vanishes again.

[Novo]

Mock seems the kind of guy to listen to when it comes to situations like this

[arista]

InOne


This story started the day before Sept11 2012.
So it was lost due to all the attacks on America
in the Middle East.

But this last week it went on all USA News stations
as the Leader of Israel was Live on TV feed
giving his Red line warning and
Why Barack is not part of this.

[arista]

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2 days ago NBC

[Alf]

until the middle east accepts religion is bull s**t they will always be fighting. they are way behind us at evolving in life.

[arista]

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This is a Theory
ideal to start wars on.

[arista]

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Deadline 25th Sept for America.

FoxNews Report.

[Tom4784]

It's a foolish move and the US (and the UN) should do their best to try to put a stop to it or distance themselves from Isreal. If you can't get them to see sense then back away and let them make their own mistakes.

[the truth]

until the middle east accepts religion is bull s**t they will always be fighting. they are way behind us at evolving in life.

humans have been at war for 10,000s years before religion. its not about religion, its about , power, land, greed, oppression, ignorance, violence and destruction. mostly the rich raping, pillaging and abusing the poor. the middle east has produced some of the finest minds and academics and inventions in history. the greed for oil has brought them to their knees, as western powers divided and conquered them. most of these angry faces you see, have lost their families, their children, their wives, their husbands, their entire lives and probably been injured or maimed and have nothing left to do but fight.

beware the enemy who has nothing left to lose

[arista]

It's a foolish move and the US (and the UN) should do their best to try to put a stop to it or distance themselves from Isreal. If you can't get them to see sense then back away and let them make their own mistakes.


What even if it sets off other nations firing Nukes?
Like a WW3 etc.

[fruit_cake]

so if Israel nukes Iran, could this spread here? it sounds very dangerous

[the truth]

What even if it sets off other nations firing Nukes?
Like a WW3 etc.

we allowed the eqyptians, the israelis, the saudis and many more all these weapons, the yanks sold £44 billion worth of weapons last year (41% of the worlds total) much to dictators, unstable nations and unstable leaders. so the americans are also responsible, so no doubt are we as we follow behind the yanks like lovesick poodles. this is a disaster looming built on the very worst human characteristics of sloth and greed.

By the way , while we are on the subject of Israel, when the british under balfour , set up the israel state, did it occur to them, it may have worked out better if the world had found a better more peaceful piece of land for the Jews. Did they not foreseee that returning them to this land 2000 years later to reclaim it, may cause a bit of bother?

[Mystic Mock]

Mock seems the kind of guy to listen to when it comes to situations like this

:joker:

[arista]

so if Israel nukes Iran, could this spread here? it sounds very dangerous


Yes as China backs Iran rights
Russia backs Irans rights.

It all depends on how many Nukes they fire in one go
before any other nation says No and gets their Nukes firing.
Let alone Iran who could have nukes ready to fire - if attacked.

[lostalex]

By the way , while we are on the subject of Israel, when the british under balfour , set up the israel state, did it occur to them, it may have worked out better if the world had found a better more peaceful piece of land for the Jews. Did they not foreseee that returning them to this land 2000 years later to reclaim it, may cause a bit of bother?


like where? antarctica? Obviously they created Israel where it is because that's where the jews came from originally.

[Livia]

like where? antarctica? Obviously they created Israel where it is because that's where the jews came from originally.

Reminds me of the Big Bang Theory when Sheldon decided he could end the Middle East crisis by building Jerusalem 2 for the Jews in Mexico.

The only way that the mess is ever going to be solved is for people on both sides to stop fighting, try to acknowledge that other people have a viewpoint and do their best to resolve things and get along. Until that time, they're just going to keep fighting. We're all such a long time dead, it seems so stupid to fill the life you have with so much hate.

[Nedusa]

Reminds me of the Big Bang Theory when Sheldon decided he could end the Middle East crisis by building Jerusalem 2 for the Jews in Mexico.

The only way that the mess is ever going to be solved is for people on both sides to stop fighting, try to acknowledge that other people have a viewpoint and do their best to resolve things and get along. Until that time, they're just going to keep fighting. We're all such a long time dead, it seems so stupid to fill the life you have with so much hate.

So Satan won't be buying a new pair of Ice skates any time soon...!!!!

[Livia]

So Satan won't be buying a new pair of Ice skates any time soon...!!!!

Sadly... no.

[the truth]

like where? antarctica? Obviously they created Israel where it is because that's where the jews came from originally.

the jews were wandering tribes. that land was also called palestine. to give the land back to the alleged co owners 2000 years ago, is the equivalent of giving up your london home back to the romans or the vikings today, can you imagine, your £500,000 3 bedroom family home in london, ok time to give it back to julius cesaers great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great grandson? that doesnt sound crazy to you?

The whole idea was insane from the start and doomed to failure. But it was deliberately designed this way. balfour and co, wanted an unstable middle east and they wanted to put a nation there that they could contrrol and use to control the middle east. anyone who questioned it was of course wrongly labelled a racist. ironically a vast number of jewish people were against it. a lot of jewish people are not zionists.

[lostalex]

comparing palestine when Israel was created to London sounds crazy to me. The Palestinians were and are still very primitaive, infact Israel created the modern metropolises there now, they created the successful modern society there now. so comparing it to London being returned to the Romans is ridiculous.

Israel has created a modern western style democracy there. Israel has created a huge economy. To give it back to the Palestinians now would be like returning London to the Romans. That's a much more appropriate comparison. It would be like returning California to the Mexicans.

The Truth do you think that Australia should be given back to the Aboriginals? Do you think the USA should be given back to the American Indians? how would you even define Native american or aboriginal anymore anyway? ISn't everyone born to that land just as entitled to it? no matter what their skin color?

The ISraeli's there now, most of them were born there, spent lifetimes there, so it is their land.

[the truth]

comparing palestine when Israel was created to London sounds crazy to me. The Palestinians were and are still very primitaive, infact Israel created the modern metropolises there now, they created the successful modern society there now. so comparing it to London being returned to the Romans is ridiculous.

Israel has created a modern western style democracy there. Israel has created a huge economy. To give it back to the Palestinians now would be like returning London to the Romans. That's a much more appropriate comparison. It would be like returning California to the Mexicans.

The Truth do you think that Australia should be given back to the Aboriginals?

give your house back to the bris who owned it 300 years ago. then Ill give mine back to the vikings or the romans. that makes it all fair and equal? insanity. it was always doomed to disaster and thats exactly how its turned out. the jews and arabs were just pawns in the global game.

[lostalex]

give your house back to the bris who owned it 300 years ago. then Ill give mine back to the vikings or the romans. that makes it all fair and equal? insanity. it was always doomed to disaster and thats exactly how its turned out. the jews and arabs were just pawns in the global game.

It's not a disaster though, it's the most successful country in the region. how can you say it's a disaster?

[lostalex]

give your house back to the brits who owned it 300 years ago. then Ill give mine back to the vikings or the romans. that makes it all fair and equal? insanity. it was always doomed to disaster and thats exactly how its turned out. the jews and arabs were just pawns in the global game.

umm, most houses are not 300 years old. that's my point. I live in an apartment complex built in the 70's. It wasn't built by Brits and it wasn't built by Mexicans, and it certainly wasn't built by American Indians. It was built by Americans in America. So if I was to give my house back to who built it, id be giving it back to Americans, not Brits.

[fruit_cake]

I always thought that Arabs and Jews hate each other so much because they're pretty much the same thing really.

[arista]

I always thought that Arabs and Jews hate each other so much because they're pretty much the same thing really.



Yes

But Iran
is not Arab

[Livia]

Yes

But Iran
is not Arab

Yes? You also think the jews and Arabs are basically the same thing? You shock me Arista.

[lostalex]

Yes

But Iran
is not Arab

if it looks like a duck and it quacks like a duck...

[arista]

Yes? You also think the jews and Arabs are basically the same thing? You shock me Arista.


No not the same thing
but Angry at eack other is what I mean


Sorry that was a Lazy Reply

[InOne]

Anymore updates?

[arista]

25th sept is one date


But its changing all the time.

[lostalex]

25th sept is one date


But its changing all the time.

what are you talking about? you've been spending too much time on ATS.

[arista]

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Deadline 25th Sept for America.

FoxNews Report.




Posted Again for the above poster

[lostalex]

Posted Again for the above poster

"the above poster" what you can't say my name? how long have we seen each other on these forums Arista? and you still won't even say my name? That's just rude. seriously. My name is ALEX just incase you are confused.

[BBfanUSA]

arista, Israel is just doing this because the world isn't paying attention to them. And don't believe Fox News or CNN. They only care for sensationalism. This is mostly all 24/7 news stations in America, they do it for the sensationalism. I watch the national news, it would be the opening story for NBC,ABC,CBS News. It isn't.

[arista]

arista, Israel is just doing this because the world isn't paying attention to them. And don't believe Fox News or CNN. They only care for sensationalism. This is mostly all 24/7 news stations in America, they do it for the sensationalism. I watch the national news, it would be the opening story for NBC,ABC,CBS News. It isn't.


Yes I know
Israel are Angry
they feel Iran is going to Nuke Them
and say the have the right to prevent it.



It was on NBC
as a talking point



Of course FoxNews is not to be trusted 100%
But CNN America is.

[arista]

"My name is ALEX "


Sorry Alex.

[fruit_cake]

We've already seen this kind of aggressive talk and stance once, and there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq I'm not sure why this is any different. What exactly do Israel intend to do? Nuke millions of innocent Irani's who probably don't have two pennies to rub together?

As far as I know Iran is a poor country where four or five people own practically everything and the general population have absolutely nothing. That's where the problem lies.

[arista]

We've already seen this kind of aggressive talk and stance once, and there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq I'm not sure why this is any different. What exactly do Israel intend to do? Nuke millions of innocent Irani's who probably don't have two pennies to rub together? As far as I know Iran is a poor country where four or five people own practically everything and the general population have absolutely nothing.


Iran has had other Nations helping their Nuke Industry.

Yes the people of Iran could be poor
its hard to know as Live TV cameras are rare,
Fox News sent Amy who is the London worker
once Live from Iran. That was amazing

[fruit_cake]

I'm no expert on Iran but I was talking to a lady who worked in B&Q the other day who had come from Iran and she was telling me that the differences between rich and poor were absolultely desperate, very similar to the feudal societies in Britain in the dark ages. One person owning all the wealth living in a castle and the rest starving to death.

Moreover, the man on your news clip there Arista for want of a better analogy reminds me of the defence secretary in Independance day, chomping at the bit to test out his super duper new toy in this case Nukes.

Maybe if the ordinary people of Iran had some kind of future to look forward too, deranged nuts like Mr Ahmedianajad or however you spell it, and his dream of wiping Israel out would not be listened quite as carefully.

They have so little the only thing they seem to have is hatred.

[lostalex]

We've already seen this kind of aggressive talk and stance once, and there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq I'm not sure why this is any different. What exactly do Israel intend to do? Nuke millions of innocent Irani's who probably don't have two pennies to rub together?

As far as I know Iran is a poor country where four or five people own practically everything and the general population have absolutely nothing. That's where the problem lies.

and you don't spare a single thought for the million of Israeli's that could be nuked? Iran has said as a matter of national policy they want to see the destruction of Israel, even as explicitly worded as "we want to wipe them off of the map". but you spare no thought for them?

[the truth]

and you don't spare a single thought for the million of Israeli's that could be nuked? Iran has said as a matter of national policy they want to see the destruction of Israel, even as explicitly worded as "we want to wipe them off of the map". but you spare no thought for them?

What on earth are you talking about? I have jews in my family. Who said I wouldnt have sympathy for people nuked? I sympathised hugely when the americans nuked the japanese twice , killing a million and left leukemia behind for 50 years. I have sympathy for anyone embroiled in any war. Youre totally missing the point and changing the subject. the entire israeli project was not for anyones benefit but the rich. the jews and palestines were merely used as pawns in a very very dangerous long game.

[lostalex]

What on earth are you talking about? I have jews in my family. Who said I wouldnt have sympathy for people nuked? I sympathised hugely when the americans nuked the japanese twice , killing a million and left leukemia behind for 50 years. I have sympathy for anyone embroiled in any war. Youre totally missing the point and changing the subject. the entire israeli project was not for anyones benefit but the rich. the jews and palestines were merely used as pawns in a very very dangerous long game.

really? you think those palestinians blowing themselves up in the name of the cause and murdering israeli women and children, you think those suicide bombers are rich people?

[the truth]

I'm no expert on Iran but I was talking to a lady who worked in B&Q the other day who had come from Iran and she was telling me that the differences between rich and poor were absolultely desperate, very similar to the feudal societies in Britain in the dark ages. One person owning all the wealth living in a castle and the rest starving to death.

Moreover, the man on your news clip there Arista for want of a better analogy reminds me of the defence secretary in Independance day, chomping at the bit to test out his super duper new toy in this case Nukes.

Maybe if the ordinary people of Iran had some kind of future to look forward too, deranged nuts like Mr Ahmedianajad or however you spell it, and his dream of wiping Israel out would not be listened quite as carefully.

They have so little the only thing they seem to have is hatred.

over 60% of graduates in Iran are women. The perception is nothing like the reality. iran has got a phenomenally rich and ancient past. the fact the rich poor divide has grown so massively is as much to do with us as them. we hand pick dictators, billionaire oil arabs, we sell the weapons to all their near neighbours and start illegal wars in their neighbouring countries. we supply weapons to both sides and pass misinformation. we need to take a look at ourselves before labelling other nations

[the truth]

really? you think those palestinians blowing themselves up in the name of the cause and murdering israeli women and children, you think those suicide bombers are rich people?

some are rich some are poor? some are acting out of revenge for having their own wives and daughters blown up. and so the circle of violence spiraals onwards.... the number of deaths of palestinians is 100 to 1 the number of israelis killed. the americans have armed the israelis to the hilt with chemical and nuclear weapons. the deaths of any civilians in war is tragic, Im sure youll agree. the whole israel project was doomed from the start, anyone with a brain knew that then and they know that now.

[MTVN]

and you don't spare a single thought for the million of Israeli's that could be nuked? Iran has said as a matter of national policy they want to see the destruction of Israel, even as explicitly worded as "we want to wipe them off of the map". but you spare no thought for them?

That isn't actually true:

The remarks are not out of context. They are wrong, pure and simple. Ahmadinejad never said them. Farsi speakers have pointed out that he was mistranslated. The Iranian president was quoting an ancient statement by Iran's first Islamist leader, the late Ayatollah Khomeini, that "this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time" just as the Shah's regime in Iran had vanished.

He was not making a military threat. He was calling for an end to the occupation of Jerusalem at some point in the future. The "page of time" phrase suggests he did not expect it to happen soon. There was no implication that either Khomeini, when he first made the statement, or Ahmadinejad, in repeating it, felt it was imminent, or that Iran would be involved in bringing it about.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2006/jun/02/comment.usa

[the truth]

That isn't actually true:



http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2006/jun/02/comment.usa

you are 100% correct, he was stating he wanted to see an end to this current regime. the far right tried to start world war 3 from this misquote. Talk about evil.

[lostalex]

That isn't actually true:



http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2006/jun/02/comment.usa

oops, yur right, he said, not only doesn't he want Isreal wiped off the map, but also ERASED from the pages of time and history... lol, cause that's SOOO much better.

If i was Israeli that would totally make me feel better when i went to bed... they want to erase me from history. lovely. lol such a peace loving nation that is OBVIOUSLY trying to find a solution... LOL

[fruit_cake]

over 60% of graduates in Iran are women. The perception is nothing like the reality. iran has got a phenomenally rich and ancient past. the fact the rich poor divide has grown so massively is as much to do with us as them. we hand pick dictators, billionaire oil arabs, we sell the weapons to all their near neighbours and start illegal wars in their neighbouring countries. we supply weapons to both sides and pass misinformation. we need to take a look at ourselves before labelling other nations

well I don't know about that but 'we'? maybe you did but I know I certainly didn't do any of those things that you describe there truth. It seems to me that there lies part of the problem, people wanting to 'align' themselves with nation states and using plural pronouns to describe individual persons actions.

[Livia]

That isn't actually true:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2006/jun/02/comment.usa

Of course, they were misquoted. Nothing aggressive or unreasonable about them. Is there.

[MTVN]

oops, yur right, he said, not only doesn't he want Isreal wiped off the map, but also ERASED from the pages of time and history... lol, cause that's SOOO much better.

If i was Israeli that would totally make me feel better when i went to bed... they want to erase me from history. lovely. lol such a peace loving nation that is OBVIOUSLY trying to find a solution... LOL

Read the section of the article I quoted. Very slowly.

Or if you'd rather also have a read of these:
http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/mehdi-hasan/2012/03/israel-iran-rentoul
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2006/jun/14/post155
http://www.juancole.com/2006/05/hitchens-hacker-and-hitchens.html

[lostalex]

Read the section of the article I quoted. Very slowly.

Or if you'd rather also have a read of these:
http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/mehdi-hasan/2012/03/israel-iran-rentoul
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2006/jun/14/post155
http://www.juancole.com/2006/05/hitchens-hacker-and-hitchens.html

you give them too much credit MTVN.

[MTVN]

Of course, they were misquoted. Nothing aggressive or unreasonable about them. Is there.

I'm sorry but whatever you think about the Iranian regime Ahmedinejad did not say he wanted Israel "wiped off the map" and that is a matter of fact as attested to by numerous journalists, commentators and speakers of Farsi, including the deputy Prime Minister of Israel

[the truth]

I'm sorry but whatever you think about the Iranian regime Ahmedinejad did not say he wanted Israel "wiped off the map" and that is a matter of fact as attested to by numerous journalists, commentators and speakers of Farsi, including the deputy Prime Minister of Israel

100% correct. he said he looked forward to the day this current radical zionist regime ended. meanwhile while his words were misquoted, over a million people were killed by the americans and brits in an illegal war in iraq. not to mention the hundreds of thousands more by british, american, german, chinese, russian supplied weapons given to dictators.

obviously misquoting an iranian is more important than the deaths of milllions? utter insanity and amazing how many weak minded fools fall for this elitist propoganda spread of course by fox news.

just to point out, I am 100% pro jewish, i support their right to peace, I think holocaust denial is a crime. My family has some jewish people in it. my area in mid wales saved 200 jewish people in the 2nd world war, when the locals gave them an entire castle and protected them, fed and clothed them. i have even donated money to jewish causes. its also vital to note, that 70% of jews voted for obama and bill clinton. the majority do not believe in the current zionist movement, nor do they believe in its current agenda. the agenda is nothing to do with letting jews having a lovely peaceful homeland. but all to do with the powers having a foothold to control the middle east. it was always this way.

take the biased, radical words of mitt romney , stating he has no interest in half of the american nation (the democrats, who he claims all live off the state) and as for middle eastern policy, he blames the palestinians for everything , clearly as that suits the corporate giants and wepaons distributors who made £44billion in arms sales (mostly do middle eastern dictators in 2011) it sums up their narrow far right corporate agenda.

the jewish people are wrongly being smeared by the current radical zionist agenda, controlled by the rich elite.

my sympathy goes to all the people, throughout the middle east, who suffer as a result of this corrupt agenda built on media manipulation and enormous propoganda.

[lostalex]

just out of curiosity, do you also believe that when Ahmedinejad said that the holocaust was exaggerated and that 6 million jews did NOT die in ww2, and is just a lie told to justify israel? and when asked about the state oppression of gay people in Iran "that is not a problem we have in Iran"?

Was he also misquoted then?

[the truth]

just out of curiosity, do you also believe that when Ahmedinejad said that the holocaust was exaggerated and that 6 million jews did NOT die in ww2, and is just a lie told to justify israel? and when asked about the state oppression of gay people in Iran "that is not a problem we have in Iran"?

Was he also misquoted then?

If you read what I actually said I think holocause denial is a crime. Although again Id question the voracity and honesty of those who interpret and translate hiw words from iranian into english, as they have lied and exaggerated his words before. however, even if he does believe homosexuality is a problem, which I do not. that is not reason enough to drop a nuclear bomb on him and his country. I think youd agree?

[lostalex]

If you read what I actually said I think holocause denial is a crime. Although again Id question the voracity and honesty of those who interpret and translate hiw words from iranian into english, as they have lied and exaggerated his words before. however, even if he does believe homosexuality is a problem, which I do not. that is not reason enough to drop a nuclear bomb on him and his country. I think youd agree?

You keep on saying, dropping nuclear bombs, like you're genuinely worried that Israel is gonna drop a nuke on Iran....

BUt you think it's ridiculous for Israel to be worried about Iran dropping a nuke on them?

you don't see how that's hypocritical?

[the truth]

You keep on saying, dropping nuclear bombs, like you're genuinely worried that Israel is gonna drop a nuke on Iran....

BUt you think it's ridiculous for Israel to be worried about Iran dropping a nuke on them?

you don't see how that's hypocritical?

no. israel has loads of nuclear bombs and has threatened in recent days to attack iran. iran has none and has not directly threatened to bomb israel. israles words and actions have been far more extreme already and they have the weaponry and the american support to create world war 3.

as for deciding some iranian leaders views of homosexuality is enough to warraqnt bombing a nation of 100 million people, thats frighteningly insane. im amazed you follow this far right wing brainwash agenda. you are aware the radical right do not give a stuff about gay peoples rights? not to mention health care and opportunity for the poor, sick and disabled?

if you judge the iranian leader simply by some alleged translated words about his opinions on homosexuality so harshly and think he should be bombed because of them. shouldnt you judge everyone by the same standards?

hows about john mccain 2008 , singing bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb iran?
Would that have justified america being attacked?

[lostalex]

no. israel has loads of nuclear bombs and has threatened in recent days to attack iran. iran has none and has not directly threatened to bomb israel. israles words and actions have been far more extreme already and they have the weaponry and the american support to create world war 3.

as for deciding some iranian leaders views of homosexuality is enough to warraqnt bombing a nation of 100 million people, thats frighteningly insane. im amazed you follow this far right wing brainwash agenda. you are aware the radical right do not give a stuff about gay peoples rights? not to mention health care and opportunity for the poor, sick and disabled?

if you judge the iranian leader simply by some alleged translated words about his opinions on homosexuality so harshly and think he should be bombed because of them. shouldnt you judge everyone by the same standards?

hows about john mccain 2008 , singing bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb iran?
Would that have justified america being attacked?

I never said anything about Israel using nukes on Iran, and i don't think anyone has, i don't think anyone thinks Israel would use nukes on Iran..

and i also never said anything about bombing Iran because of their government policy of murdering homosexuals/. You are making things up.

You really need to work on your reading comprehension skills.

you havn't responded directly to anything i've said, and instead you'd just gone on these paragraph long rants about how everyone is out to get iran, and rich people have a conspiracy, blah blah, nothing at ALL to do with anything i've said.

You have very poor communication skills.

[the truth]

I never said anything about Israel using nukes on Iran, and i don't think anyone has, i don't think anyone thinks Israel would use nukes on Iran..

and i also never said anything about bombing Iran because of their government policy of murdering homosexuals/. You are making things up.

You really need to work on your reading comprehension.

do you support the israeli desire to attack iran?

[lostalex]

do you support the israeli desire to attack iran?

define "attack"? I think Israel's current strategy of using cyber warfare(like stuxnet) to disrupt their nuclear facilities is warranted and appropriate. would i support a NUCLEAR BOMB attack on iran? of course not.

[the truth]

define "attack"? I think Israel's current strategy of using cyber warfare(like stuxnet) to disrupt their nuclear facilities is warranted and appropriate. would i support a NUCLEAR BOMB attack on iran? of course not.

thats right avoid the question. if you wont answer it, we have every right to presume you want israel to attack iran. the next question is why do you support this attack?

[arista]

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