cold cruel britain

[the truth]

one of my employees was driving around in one of our minibuses recently

a chap approaches him, aged 18. sober, clean, speaking clearly etc
the story went, he had come to the town (outside cardiff) to stay with his mate for the night, but his mate had been robbed and his flat and windows smashed

so the cops took evidence and both guys had to leave the flat. but this chap lived 30 miles away and didnt have a penny to his name as he had planned to stay in this flat the night and work out how to get home the next day

so he has no money and no mobile, the police offered him nothing, no room, no lift to the samaritans, no lift to any hostel, he wasnt even allowed to sit out of the rain in their police waiting room. he tried 3 times to ask them for help, he rang the 101 minor emergency line, the lady didnt care, told him he was old enough to survive. he rang his mother on the drivers mobile, she didnt care and he hadnt seen his father in years.

so there he is 18 years old, standing in a tshirt in the pouring rain, no money, no food, no shelter no phone and no help. he tried the 24 hour taxi office. they wouldnt allow him inside.

my driver rang me to ask for advice, so I rang a friend at a hotel reception and agreed to give him a spare single room. i told my driver to give him £5 too and told him to ask the boy to ring us the next day. our driver then took him to this hotel 3 miles out of town.

if we hadnt done anything, the kid could have had hyperthermia, could have been beaten , robbed, who knows what?

so much for caring compassionate britain, when did we become so cold, so selfish so mean spirited. cant people imagine what theyd feel like stranded aged 18, skint, freezing, hungry , thirsty , 30 miles from home in the middle of the night, he wasnt even a trouble maker or a violent drunk, just a decent young fella who needed a little helping hand

I do wonder what exactly the police are for? they drive round in circles all night, usually refusing to help people. they shut their doors after 8pm at night, their call centre is unhelpful too. havent they a moral duty to help a person whose flat has been destroyed? cant they help these people get a roof? I also wonder what would have happened if it was an 18 year old girl stranded? no doubt thered have been a queue of coppers ready to be the white knight in shining armour to save the damsel in distress. bunch of hypocries.

considering we pay billions for them. can you actually name a few good examples of when cops have in fact helped you out?

[Glenn.]

How did he get to Cardiff with no money :suspect:

[the truth]

How did he get to Cardiff with no money :suspect:

im not sure tbh, he had a mother in the north of england who wasnt interested, a brother 30 miles away, a long lost father. perhaps he had a train down, i guess thats possible and couldnt get the retun till some time the following day. i spoke to him and he seemed a decent straight forward well spoken chap. hed been walking the streets in the rain for hours.

[thesheriff443]

must be more to this story?
where was his money?
where was his mate?
why did he not stay with maybe one of his mates friend?,
the police are only there as a deterent
there are still good people out there im one of them! the problem is bad people prey on the goodness of others!

[Kizzy]

must be more to this story?
where was his money?
where was his mate?
why did he not stay with maybe one of his mates friend?,
the police are only there as a deterent
there are still good people out there im one of them! the problem is bad people prey on the goodness of others!

Your employee was driving around, picked up an 18yr old and took him to a hotel?
They are the facts, like sherriff says the rest of the story seems a little vague.

[Josy]

so the cops took evidence and both guys had to leave the flat.

Bit weird that, the police normally make sure they have somewere to go if they are going to ask them to leave and where did the guys mate go, did he just leave him?

[Kate!]

Has to be more to this than meets the eye, I think it's possible this lad has pulled off a bit of a scam, may be wrong, but I can't see help being refused him so completely. :shrug:

[the truth]

so the cops took evidence and both guys had to leave the flat.

Bit weird that, the police normally make sure they have somewere to go if they are going to ask them to leave and where did the guys mate go, did he just leave him?

my driver took him to the police station where the cop refused to come out and spoke to him through a hatch telling him he couldnt help him. my driver also leant him a mobile to ring the 101 police line, they wouldnt help him as he was 18. his mate had gone into the police station to give a statement. not sure what happened to him after that. this guy was in a bit of a state of shock. he was a genuine bloke. i spoke to him. as i say the mate of mine at the main reception at the local hotel put him up in the end. a local taxi firm in the town centre wouldnt even let him sit in their 24 hour office and drink a cup of coffee as it was against their security policy?

makes you think how warm and friendly the UK really is eh? if you had planned to stay at your friends flat but it had been smashed it, then you were homeless for the night, how would you feel? or if lost you wallet and you had no money or way home, and no one gave a damn , how would you feel? at age 18, i think most would feel cold and scared

[GiRTh]

so the cops took evidence and both guys had to leave the flat.

Bit weird that, the police normally make sure they have somewere to go if they are going to ask them to leave and where did the guys mate go, did he just leave him?This is true. When my car was seized for having no MOT the police dropped me off at the local train station. It was midnight and I had to wait 5 hours for a train in winter but they did as much as they were allowed to do. I cant believe they didnt help him.

There's more to this story. I bet the guy was up to something.

[Kizzy]

What was the point of putting him up in a hotel? If he had no money he wouldn't have been able to get home the next day either?
Couldn't the driver just run him home with your permission?

[the truth]

What was the point of putting him up in a hotel? If he had no money he wouldn't have been able to get home the next day either?
Couldn't the driver just run him home with your permission?

30 miles is a long way to go in the middle of the night for nothing, especially as the driver had school contracts at 7am

at least by putting him up for the night he was safe and dry and he had the chance to sort out transport the next day.
the guy was genuine imo he wasnt drunk , he was well spoken, just slightly scared and confused.

[the truth]

This is true. When my car was seized for having no MOT the police dropped me off at the local train station. It was midnight and I had to wait 5 hours for a train in winter but they did as much as they were allowed to do. I cant believe they didnt help him.

There's more to this story. I bet the guy was up to something.

the police refused to help him at all. he had no money for a train anyway. the next train would have been at least 6 hours possibly more anyway

[Kizzy]

30 miles is a long way to go in the middle of the night for nothing, especially as the driver had school contracts at 7am

at least by putting him up for the night he was safe and dry and he had the chance to sort out transport the next day.
the guy was genuine imo he wasnt drunk , he was well spoken, just slightly scared and confused.

Well, the guy was lucky he bumped into your driver so its all good...
to be fair though at 18 he isan adult, I was watching 999 emergency on C4 last night it was from blackpool and trust me the police have their hands full.
I'm sure they would have liked to help further, but as an adult he is not classed as 'vulnerable' and there are 1000's on the streets of the UK that are.

[Vicky.]

I cant believe the police did that...on the rare occasion I have been picked up (not getting into those :blush2: )they always made sure I could get home/somewhere and tried to ring my parents for me, if I had no cash and noone answered the phone they actually drove me home and waited to check I could get in too.

Maybe its different for females.

[Pyramid*]

one of my employees was driving around in one of our minibuses recently

a chap approaches him, aged 18. sober, clean, speaking clearly etc
the story went, he had come to the town (outside cardiff) to stay with his mate for the night, but his mate had been robbed and his flat and windows smashed

so the cops took evidence and both guys had to leave the flat. but this chap lived 30 miles away and didnt have a penny to his name as he had planned to stay in this flat the night and work out how to get home the next day

so he has no money and no mobile, the police offered him nothing, no room, no lift to the samaritans, no lift to any hostel, he wasnt even allowed to sit out of the rain in their police waiting room. he tried 3 times to ask them for help, he rang the 101 minor emergency line, the lady didnt care, told him he was old enough to survive. he rang his mother on the drivers mobile, she didnt care and he hadnt seen his father in years.

so there he is 18 years old, standing in a tshirt in the pouring rain, no money, no food, no shelter no phone and no help. he tried the 24 hour taxi office. they wouldnt allow him inside.

my driver rang me to ask for advice, so I rang a friend at a hotel reception and agreed to give him a spare single room. i told my driver to give him £5 too and told him to ask the boy to ring us the next day. our driver then took him to this hotel 3 miles out of town.

if we hadnt done anything, the kid could have had hyperthermia, could have been beaten , robbed, who knows what?

so much for caring compassionate britain, when did we become so cold, so selfish so mean spirited. cant people imagine what theyd feel like stranded aged 18, skint, freezing, hungry , thirsty , 30 miles from home in the middle of the night, he wasnt even a trouble maker or a violent drunk, just a decent young fella who needed a little helping hand

I do wonder what exactly the police are for? they drive round in circles all night, usually refusing to help people. they shut their doors after 8pm at night, their call centre is unhelpful too. havent they a moral duty to help a person whose flat has been destroyed? cant they help these people get a roof? I also wonder what would have happened if it was an 18 year old girl stranded? no doubt thered have been a queue of coppers ready to be the white knight in shining armour to save the damsel in distress. bunch of hypocries.

considering we pay billions for them. can you actually name a few good examples of when cops have in fact helped you out?


You are wrong about the damsel in distress..... recall the 23 year old woman short of 20p on a bus at 3am with a driver refusing to wait to allow her to get to an ATM (or letting her off with 20p) - or any other passengers giving her 20p. To the point that she was beaten senseless after being refused passage.

I don't believe the police are there for that purpose. I'm quite sure that if he'd gone into a police station, or gone into any hotel etc: and asked to use a phone to contact someone after explaining his predicament: he'd have been allowed use their phone.

[Kizzy]

You are wrong about the damsel in distress..... recall the 23 year old woman short of 20p on a bus at 3am with a driver refusing to wait to allow her to get to an ATM (or letting her off with 20p) - or any other passengers giving her 20p. To the point that she was beaten senseless after being refused passage.

I don't believe the police are there for that purpose. I'm quite sure that if he'd gone into a police station, or gone into any hotel etc: and asked to use a phone to contact someone after explaining his predicament: he'd have been allowed use their phone.

That had nothing to do with the police, it was a bus driver? and she was raped whilst waiting for her mother to collect her.

[Pyramid*]

That had nothing to do with the police, it was a bus driver? and she was raped whilst waiting for her mother to collect her.

Kizzy. Please desist from trying to correct me when you are wrong and stop finding fault in my posts for the sheer hell of it - it is not smart and it's certainly not clever.

If you are going to attempt to do so, at least get your own facts correct,
She was also beaten so badly that her mother did not recognise her - so vicious and brtual the attack was.

My comments were to do with the part that I highlighted the 'damsel in distress part' - and that Britain is cruel and cold etc.

[the truth]

Kizzy. Please desist from trying to correct me when you are wrong and stop finding fault in my posts for the sheer hell of it - it is not smart and it's certainly not clever.

If you are going to attempt to do so, at least get your own facts correct,
She was also beaten so badly that her mother did not recognise her - so vicious and brtual the attack was.

My comments were to do with the part that I highlighted the 'damsel in distress part' - and that Britain is cruel and cold etc.

kizzy is right that this was taken to the police, whereas that incident wasnt. he tried the police station 3 times and phoned them. they refused to help at all.

[the truth]

I cant believe the police did that...on the rare occasion I have been picked up (not getting into those :blush2: )they always made sure I could get home/somewhere and tried to ring my parents for me, if I had no cash and noone answered the phone they actually drove me home and waited to check I could get in too.

Maybe its different for females.

im certain it is. but its disgusting to think the cops did less than nothing.

[Pyramid*]

kizzy is right that this was taken to the police, whereas that incident wasnt. he tried the police station 3 times and phoned them. they refused to help at all.

Kizzy is offering her view I offered mine...and mine is: that the police are not there to offer bed/board or taxi service. I have no doubt that if this young man would have asked a policeman for assistance to use a phone to contact friends/family, they would have helped. I do not believe for one second that he asked the police 3 times and was refused: what did he ask them for: free B&B or ask them for assistance in contacting friends/family......

[Kizzy]

Kizzy. Please desist from trying to correct me when you are wrong and stop finding fault in my posts for the sheer hell of it - it is not smart and it's certainly not clever.

If you are going to attempt to do so, at least get your own facts correct,
She was also beaten so badly that her mother did not recognise her - so vicious and brtual the attack was.

My comments were to do with the part that I highlighted the 'damsel in distress part' - and that Britain is cruel and cold etc.

I was not wrong..
''Last night the firm admitted the driver had acted against company guidance.''
A quote from the guardian, that individual should not have done that.
The police would certainly not have done that either.

[the truth]

Kizzy is offering her view I offered mine...and mine is: that the police are not there to offer bed/board or taxi service. I have no doubt that if this young man would have asked a policeman for assistance to use a phone to contact friends/family, they would have helped. I do not believe for one second that he asked the police 3 times and was refused: what did he ask them for: free B&B or ask them for assistance in contacting friends/family......

I know he did for a fact. he used my drivers phone, the driver also drove him to the police station, he used the voice com, the cop refused to come out and talked through the latch. I swear on my life this is what happened. the cops refused to help. he told them clearly over the phone and in person the story, that he was skint, had no phone , no roof over his head. they refused to help , they left him out in the rain with no assistance at all.

[Pyramid*]

I was not wrong..
''Last night the firm admitted the driver had acted against company guidance.''
A quote from the guardian, that individual should not have done that.
The police would certainly not have done that either.

Like I say Kizzy.... she was beaten senseless. due to the same type of cold cruelness shown by a bus driver and passengers.... the same type of behaviour that the OP alleges the police apparently displayed to this 18 year old boy. If I want to raise that, I'll do so.



Now if there is any truth to this: I'm sure the young man's parents (?? mother who didn't care - makes you wonder why - but wonder if she will care if there's a buck to be made through a claim - and father not seen for years?) (or he himself) will be raising a complaint with the police who apparently blatantly refused to help provide him with any form of assistance whatsoever, instead, telling him - allegedly - he was old enough to survive.

One other thing : seeing as he was visiting his pal - he arrived at the house then .... coz remember, he didn't have a mobile so would only have found out about his mate being robbed and his mate's flat being smashed when he actually arrived there.....

Where did the 'mate' stay then..... did he vanish into thin air?


the story went, he had come to the town (outside cardiff) to stay with his mate for the night, but his mate had been robbed and his flat and windows smashed

so the cops took evidence and both guys had to leave the flat. but this chap lived 30 miles away and didnt have a penny to his name as he had planned to stay in this flat the night and work out how to get home the next day

[thesheriff443]

no money
no phone
no mate
no other clothes

[Pyramid*]

I know he did for a fact. he used my drivers phone, the driver also drove him to the police station, he used the voice com, the cop refused to come out and talked through the latch. I swear on my life this is what happened. the cops refused to help. he told them clearly over the phone and in person the story, that he was skint, had no phone , no roof over his head. they refused to help , they left him out in the rain with no assistance at all.

And you will have reported this to your local rag and raised an official complaint with the police station in question: given your obvious concern?

Imagine the excellent publicity for your company then.... after all, didn't you say that even another local taxi firm refused to let him sit in their office with a coffee.....

a local taxi firm in the town centre wouldnt even let him sit in their 24 hour office and drink a cup of coffee as it was against their security policy?

[Pyramid*]

no money
no phone
no mate
no other clothes

no idea how he was going to get home the next day either......

[Kizzy]

Like I say Kizzy.... she was beaten senseless. due to the same type of cold cruelness shown by a bus driver and passengers.... the same type of behaviour that the OP alleges the police apparently displayed to this 18 year old boy. If I want to raise that, I'll do so.



Now if there is any truth to this: I'm sure the young man's parents (?? mother who didn't care - makes you wonder why - but wonder if she will care if there's a buck to be made through a claim - and father not seen for years?) (or he himself) will be raising a complaint with the police who apparently blatantly refused to help provide him with any form of assistance whatsoever, instead, telling him - allegedly - he was old enough to survive.

One other thing : seeing as he was visiting his pal - he arrived at the house then .... coz remember, he didn't have a mobile so would only have found out about his mate being robbed and his mate's flat being smashed when he actually arrived there.....

Where did the 'mate' stay then..... did he vanish into thin air?

Why are you asking me?...Ask the truth it's his OP i'm sure he will clarify things for you.

[the truth]

And you will have reported this to your local rag and raised an official complaint with the police station in question: given your obvious concern?

Imagine the excellent publicity for your company then.... after all, didn't you say that even another local taxi firm refused to let him sit in their office with a coffee.....

yeah see your point, but im not that type of person to get hype out of things. i wouldnt sell a story to the press for all the tea in china. im a profoundly moral person, outspoken, but moral. that doesnt get compromised for anyone.

[thesheriff443]

a guy told me a great story once outside a takeaway as i was about to go in, just down from the local train station that he and his girlfriend where living in a railway hut and they had nothing! he aked me for 20p,me takeing pitty on him and having a few quid i gave him about six pound in change.
the next week i saw that little bastard pulling the same line on some one else and came into the takeaway to change up about 40 pound in change into notes.

[Vicky.]

I thought if someones house had been broken into the general thing for the police to do is take fingerprints/photos etc and then board the place up until windows etc can be replaced? Not kick the person out of their own house. Thats what happened when my mates got broken into anyway :S

[the truth]

I thought if someones house had been broken into the general thing for the police to do is take fingerprints/photos etc and then board the place up until windows etc can be replaced? Not kick the person out of their own house. Thats what happened when my mates got broken into anyway :S

maybe its amateur hour with cardiff police, I dont know?

[Pyramid*]

Why are you asking me?...Ask the truth it's his OP i'm sure he will clarify things for you.

I don't believe I asked you specifically - my first paragraph referred to you specifically reference the post I'd quoted.

The spacing then determined subsequent paragraphs commenting in general on the situation - such is how it works - raising general thoughts about the scenario being played out to us.

yeah see your point, but im not that type of person to get hype out of things. i wouldnt sell a story to the press for all the tea in china. im a profoundly moral person, outspoken, but moral. that doesnt get compromised for anyone.

Yes, I can see by your moral outrage here on this thread, that you aren't the type of person to get 'hype' out of things.

[Vicky.]

Well this was some years ago, maybe the police just get sick of dealing with endless breakins now and dont follow the protocall or something. Wouldnt surprise me, what with judges praising burglars for being brave and that, thus encouraging more burglaries

[Pyramid*]

I thought if someones house had been broken into the general thing for the police to do is take fingerprints/photos etc and then board the place up until windows etc can be replaced? Not kick the person out of their own house. Thats what happened when my mates got broken into anyway :S

I'd have said the same thing - kicking them out and leaving them on the streets to fend for themselves without a by or leave - it sounds like a cock and bull story. Not saying it is: I'm saying it sounds very much like it.

I still want to know where the guy the 18 year old was visiting, vanished to!

[Vicky.]

I'd have said the same thing - kicking them out and leaving them on the streets to fend for themselves without a by or leave - it sounds like a cock and bull story. Not saying it is: I'm saying it sounds very much like it.

I still want to know where the guy the 18 year old was visiting, vanished to!

I would assume he went to a friends/parents house

But if my mate had travelled 30 miles to come visit me...and this happened, I sure as hell wouldnt just abandon them in the middle of the night with nowhere to go. Im sure wherever this other guy went they could have accomodated both of them...needs some new friends IMO :joker:

[Kizzy]

[QUOTE=Pyramid*;5491172]I don't believe I asked you specifically - my first paragraph referred to you specifically reference the post I'd quoted.

The spacing then determined subsequent paragraphs commenting in general on the situation - such is how it works - raising general thoughts about the scenario being played out to us.



Theres a space in your post, are you still talking to me or everyone? :conf:

[the truth]

I don't believe I asked you specifically - my first paragraph referred to you specifically reference the post I'd quoted.

The spacing then determined subsequent paragraphs commenting in general on the situation - such is how it works - raising general thoughts about the scenario being played out to us.



Yes, I can see by your moral outrage here on this thread, that you aren't the type of person to get 'hype' out of things.

Sarcasm is the lowest for of wit. Chatting here, is totally different from naming and shaming in national newspapers. grow up.:nono:

[thesheriff443]

as a man of the world!lol
this guy was telling a story to get a lift money or somewhere to stay for the night.

[the truth]

I'd have said the same thing - kicking them out and leaving them on the streets to fend for themselves without a by or leave - it sounds like a cock and bull story. Not saying it is: I'm saying it sounds very much like it.

I still want to know where the guy the 18 year old was visiting, vanished to!

Its not a cock and bull story its the truth. I know the addresses, I know the exact locations, the driver drove past the flat which had broken windows. he was sat outside the police station and he spoke to the 101 police call centre. they refused to offer any help whatsoever.

[thesheriff443]

[QUOTE=Pyramid*;5491172]I don't believe I asked you specifically - my first paragraph referred to you specifically reference the post I'd quoted.

The spacing then determined subsequent paragraphs commenting in general on the situation - such is how it works - raising general thoughts about the scenario being played out to us.



Theres a space in your post, are you still talking to me or everyone? :conf:

she will tell you when she has decided.:joker:

[Pyramid*]

I would assume he went to a friends/parents house

But if my mate had travelled 30 miles to come visit me...and this happened, I sure as hell wouldnt just abandon them in the middle of the night with nowhere to go. Im sure wherever this other guy went they could have accomodated both of them...needs some new friends IMO :joker:

Unless of course, there was no friend, no break in at all .... and he was chancing his arm trying to get a free lift home.... pulled this fable and someone fell for it. After all, he claimed to have no idea how he was going to get back home the next day.......



So OP: this happened 'recently'. I take it this respectable, upstanding, decent young man did indeed contact you the next day as you had requested (which phone did he use?), and ensured that he repayed you and your hotelier friend back?.......

[Pyramid*]

[QUOTE=Pyramid*;5491172]I don't believe I asked you specifically - my first paragraph referred to you specifically reference the post I'd quoted.

The spacing then determined subsequent paragraphs commenting in general on the situation - such is how it works - raising general thoughts about the scenario being played out to us.



Theres a space in your post, are you still talking to me or everyone? :conf:

Feel free... the choice is yours.

[the truth]

as a man of the world!lol
this guy was telling a story to get a lift money or somewhere to stay for the night.

no the story was true. the windows were smashed in. he didnt ask for money at all. the police refused to help the driver attended the police station, he also rang the 101 with the young bloke and he passed the flat.

[Pyramid*]

as a man of the world!lol
this guy was telling a story to get a lift money or somewhere to stay for the night.

It pains me to admit this: but I'm with you on this one - either that or the OP is - but for the sake of a good story - I'll go with the young lad.

[Pyramid*]

no the story was true. the windows were smashed in. he didnt ask for money at all. the police refused to help the driver attended the police station, he also rang the 101 with the young bloke and he passed the flat.

And this young man's mate that he was visiting: where did he disappear to then?

[the truth]

Unless of course, there was no friend, no break in at all .... and he was chancing his arm trying to get a free lift home.... pulled this fable and someone fell for it. After all, he claimed to have no idea how he was going to get back home the next day.......



So OP: this happened 'recently'. I take it this respectable, upstanding, decent young man did indeed contact you the next day as you had requested (which phone did he use?), and ensured that he repayed you and your hotelier friend back?.......

the hotelier gave him the room for free. we gave him a fiver. it wasnt make believe. he was stranded on the streets for hours in the pouring rain. 30 miles from home. at 18 you dont always plan ahead. his plan was stay in his mates for the night, then the next day work out how to get home. not sure what happened to the bloke in the flat after he went to give statements to police station

[thesheriff443]

no the story was true. the windows were smashed in. he didnt ask for money at all. the police refused to help the driver attended the police station, he also rang the 101 with the young bloke and he passed the flat.

im not saying there was not a flat with broken windows or that he rang 101 or went to the police station,when someone is feeding you bull **** they make it very believable!

[Pyramid*]

Sarcasm is the lowest for of wit. Chatting here, is totally different from naming and shaming in national newspapers. grow up.:nono:

I'm grown up enough to recognise a bs story when I see one. That's grown up enough for me. :D

[the truth]

im not saying there was not a flat with broken windows or that he rang 101 or went to the police station,when someone is feeding you bull **** they make it very believable!

It wasnt bullsh** my driver drove past the flat in question. its a rough part of the town, the windows were smashed in. he was stood in the rain and the driver spoke to the 101 people who flatly refused any help at all, as did the police. the story is 100% true.

[the truth]

I'm grown up enough to recognise a bs story when I see one. That's grown up enough for me. :D

Its not BS youre just lying now to try and get cheap laughs out of a genuine situation. sad predictable and petty.:nono:

[Kizzy]

the hotelier gave him the room for free. we gave him a fiver. it wasnt make believe. he was stranded on the streets for hours in the pouring rain. 30 miles from home. at 18 you dont always plan ahead. his plan was stay in his mates for the night, then the next day work out how to get home. not sure what happened to the bloke in the flat after he went to give statements to police station

You are just repeating yourself now, you have already provided this information in your previous posts. Either someone is not bothering to read what you have written or they are being deliberatly obtuse.

[Pyramid*]

the hotelier gave him the room for free. we gave him a fiver. it wasnt make believe. he was stranded on the streets for hours in the pouring rain. 30 miles from home. at 18 you dont always plan ahead. his plan was stay in his mates for the night, then the next day work out how to get home. not sure what happened to the bloke in the flat after he went to give statements to police station

You asked him to call you the next day. I guess he didn't.

Did he make any attempt to repay you - or your friend.

Most 18 year olds I know don't go out on a 30mile journey to visit and stay overnight with mate and go with no money, no outdoor clothes when it's pissing with rain, no way of getting back home the next day, no mobile and knowing they have no parents to call upon - or indeed any other friends..........

[Gstar]

I actually don't mind the police, they were really friendly and supportive when my parents had violent arguments when I was younger.

[Pyramid*]

You are just repeating yourself now, you have already provided this information in your previous posts. Either someone is not bothering to read what you have written or they are being deliberatly obtuse.

Kizzy please stop baiting - it is unecessary and it is very obvious what you are attempting to do.

The OP has repeated himself but has not answered what was asked.

[thesheriff443]

It wasnt bullsh** my driver drove past the flat in question. its a rough part of the town, the windows were smashed in. he was stood in the rain and the driver spoke to the 101 people who flatly refused any help at all, as did the police. the story is 100% true.

im saying to you with no offence to be taken by you! that i think parts of the story are true but not all of it!
people make things fit the situation!

[Pyramid*]

It wasnt bullsh** my driver drove past the flat in question. its a rough part of the town, the windows were smashed in. he was stood in the rain and the driver spoke to the 101 people who flatly refused any help at all, as did the police. the story is 100% true.


Many rough parts have windows smashed in and police in attendence. Doesn't mean this lad was part of it though.

[Kizzy]

Kizzy please stop baiting - it is unecessary and it is very obvious what you are attempting to do.

The OP has repeated himself but has not answered what was asked.

I am not baiting, he has posted the whole story and you obviously don't believe him...:conf:
To me the situation is entirely plausible....Why the interrogation?

[Benjamin]

I am watching...

[thesheriff443]

I am watching...

you perv:xyxwave:

[Pyramid*]

I am not baiting, he has posted the whole story and you obviously don't believe him...:conf:
To me the situation is entirely plausible....Why the interrogation?


You are perfectly entitled to believe this entire scenario as being plausible.

I do not.

If you care to take the time to digest what I write, rather than you being more interested in finding some petty excuse to fault, bicker and criticise what I write: then you too, may see why I am not quite so gullible in believing this - If the OP is genuine about the story - that's fine - I don't believe the yarn being spun by this 18 year old if the OP's version is as he/she says.

[Pyramid*]

I am watching...

Were you watching close enough though... that is the question: where did the 18 year old pal disappear to? Where'd he get put up for the night !

[GiRTh]

How did this thread turn into an argument? Sad thing is, I agree with Pyramid* but she's so confrontational and sarcastic I cant be ars*d to join in. I dont get why there are so many personal insults in this thread. No need for it.

[thesheriff443]

How did this thread turn into an argument? Sad thing is, I agree with Pyramid* but she's so confrontational and sarcastic I cant be ars*d to join in. I dont get why there are so many personal insults in this thread. No need for it.

just think if we where all in bb together:joker:
ukturtle would be after my rusty sheriffs badge for sure!:joker:

[Kizzy]

You are perfectly entitled to believe this entire scenario as being plausible.

I do not.

If you care to take the time to digest what I write, rather than you being more interested in finding some petty excuse to fault, bicker and criticise what I write: then you too, may see why I am not quite so gullible in believing this - If the OP is genuine about the story - that's fine - I don't believe the yarn being spun by this 18 year old if the OP's version is as he/she says.

There is no need to accuse FM's of baiting because I disagree, all the info you requested it here... I don't know what else can be said?
He spoke to the young man in question and he appeared smart, sober and scared..Why would you take that as being spun a yarn?
I agree there are some young people who take advantage but as the truth has said in this instance he seemed entirely genuine.

[Pyramid*]

How did this thread turn into an argument? Sad thing is, I agree with Pyramid* but she's so confrontational and sarcastic I cant be ars*d to join in. I dont get why there are so many personal insults in this thread. No need for it.


I will speak bluntly and I'll address the same sarcasm as I am met with by many on here.

Personal insults have been hurled at me all day on various threads by several ...... but funy enough: that seems okay !! So you'll have to forgive me for standing my ground every now and then.

Kizzy: as I suggested earlier: if you read my posts correctly: you will note that I have said (several times) that I do not believe the 18 year olds version: I have said that I am willing to accept the OP's version. I'd appreciate if you would stop trying to infer I have said otherwise as it does seem you are attempting to antagonise for no good reason - and that is why I refer to what could be perceived as you baiting.

The OP may be telling the truth, they may not. I for one do not believe the 18 year old version.

All the info is here? I may have missed the Op confirming the young man contacted him the next day, said thanks. I may have missed him explaining where his mate disappeared to?

[Vanessa]

It sounds genuine to me as well. I would help the lad if i could. :blush:

[the truth]

I will speak bluntly and I'll address the same sarcasm as I am met with by many on here.

Personal insults have been hurled at me all day on various threads by several ...... but funy enough: that seems okay !! So you'll have to forgive me for standing my ground every now and then.

Kizzy: as I suggested earlier: if you read my posts correctly: you will note that I have said (several times) that I do not believe the 18 year olds version: I have said that I am willing to accept the OP's version. I'd appreciate if you would stop trying to infer I have said otherwise as it does seem you are attempting to antagonise for no good reason - and that is why I refer to what could be perceived as you baiting.

The OP may be telling the truth, they may not. I for one do not believe the 18 year old version.

All the info is here? I may have missed the Op confirming the young man contacted him the next day, said thanks. I may have missed him explaining where his mate disappeared to?

which part do you disbelieve and why?

[Pyramid*]

which part do you disbelieve and why?

My previous posts explain it pretty clearly.

[the truth]

My previous posts explain it pretty clearly.

no it really doesnt. ive explained it clearly why i believe it in detail several times. youve just said you dont believe the kid. why? all you say is because he didnt ring us the next day? or because his mate went to give a statement. which part do you not believe? the windows were broken, he was stranded, he did try police, he did try his mother. so is it just the fact he didnt ring us and the fact his mate went away for interview that makes you disblieve him? would he go to all that trouble just to get put into a hotel room a few miles out of town for the night? freezing in the rain for hours? just to spin a yarn?

[Pyramid*]

no it really doesnt. ive explained it clearly why i believe it in detail several times. youve just said you dont believe the kid. why?

Try reading again, the truth is out there...... and in my posts, in various comments, lots of reasons with lots of unanswered questions - I'm not going to repeat what's already written.

[the truth]

Try reading again, the truth is out there...... and in my posts, in various comments, lots of reasons with lots of unanswered questions - I'm not going to repeat what's already written.

pls re read my last post which was rewritten before you replied. youve not explained. am I to presume youd have left in stranded?

[Kizzy]

Well the fact is he is ok, and like you say the police were unable to assist him,so good for your driver and yourself for not abandoning him miles from home.

[joeysteele]

Good topic 'the truth'.

I have to say I find the Police far better than as described in yout opening post,however I have also seen and heard from others of this kind of dismissive and cold attiude from them especially to men, as portrayed in your opening post.

There are likely many reasons why the guy was there alone and how he got there too,he doesn't fit the usual scams of people coming up to others to get a few quid or even food.
He went with your driver to the station again and rang them from your drivers phone. someone scamming would not have done that.

As with your driver and then yourself, all you came across was someone alone, on a rotten night, with no money and no shelter looking for help, he was also probably in some element of shock too from the sounds of things.

It really doesn't matter whether there is more to this story or not, the fact remains he was alone, he needed a good samaritan for want of better description and found one in one of your drivers and then you yourself too.
Ensuring it was seen through as to that 'crisis' point and get him safe, get him to a comfortable place to stay for the night and a small bit of money too was totally commendable as to your driver and yourself.

Whatever happened the following day doesn't matter, you did the right and good thing at the time.
There are times that events happen in Britain where people maybe could have done a lot more and put themselves out. Some do, many don't.
Hopefully it is not an attitude that is totally representative of Britain now.I would have likely set out to do what your driver did and reach out to this guy, no matter his circumstances.

The whole desciption of the occurence and you and your drivers determination to help this guy is to your credit.
You helped him all you could, how you could and made sure he was safe too,really well done on that.

[the truth]

Well the fact is he is ok, and like you say the police were unable to assist him,so good for your driver and yourself for not abandoning him miles from home.

indeed thanks. mind you the cops werent unable it appears they were simply unwilling. after the endless stories of the police failures, I cant say Im that surprised.

[the truth]

Good topic 'the truth'.

I have to say I find the Police far better than as described in yout opening post,however I have also seen and heard from others of this kind of dismissive and cold attiude from them especially to men, as portrayed in your opening post.

There are likely many reasons why the guy was there alone and how he got there too,he doesn't fit the usual scams of people coming up to others to get a few quid or even food.
He went with your driver to the station again and rang them from your drivers phone. someone scamming would not have done that.

As with your driver and then yourself, all you came across was someone alone, on a rotten night, with no money and no shelter looking for help, he was also probably in some element of shock too from the sounds of things.

It really doesn't matter whether there is more to this story or not, the fact remains he was alone, he needed a good samaritan for want of better description and found one in one of your drivers and then you yourself too.
Ensuring it was seen through as to that 'crisis' point and get him safe, get him to a comfortable place to stay for the night and a small bit of money too was totally commendable as to your driver and yourself.

Whatever happened the following day doesn't matter, you did the right and good thing at the time.
There are times that events happen in Britain where people maybe could have done a lot more and put themselves out. Some do, many don't.
Hopefully it is not an attitude that is totally representative of Britain now.I would have likely set out to do what your driver did and reach out to this guy, no matter his circumstances.

The whole desciption of the occurence and you and your drivers determination to help this guy is to your credit.
You helped him all you could, how you could and made sure he was safe too,really well done on that.

cheers pal:wavey:

[Benjamin]

I will speak bluntly and I'll address the same sarcasm as I am met with by many on here.

Personal insults have been hurled at me all day on various threads by several ...... but funy enough: that seems okay !! So you'll have to forgive me for standing my ground every now and then.



Really, funny that because I have seen none of it. All I see is you trying to hold a debate but resorting to being pedantic and difficult for the sake of it. Not a good way to get your point across or a good way to be if you want to be taken seriously with your point. Also, standing your ground is fine, but "the insults from other threads" have nothing to do with this debate.

This does not require a response.

[Pyramid*]

pls re read my last post which was rewritten before you replied. youve not explained. am I to presume youd have left in stranded?

I have explained in earlier posts.

Your thread is about the police and how they 'let his down in his time of need' as it's main thrust and 'what are the police for' etc.. - with a local taxi office taking a hit also and how cold and cruel Britain is these days.

What would I have done? I'd not have stopped late at night for some lone person walking in the rain........I pass dozens of them every night - if he wasn't in danger, which he wasn't going by what you have written, there would simply be no need to.

[Pyramid*]

Really, funny that because I have seen none of it. All I see is you trying to hold a debate but resorting to being pedantic and difficult for the sake of it. Not a good way to get your point across or a good way to be if you want to be taken seriously with your point. Also, standing your ground is fine, but "the insults from other threads" have nothing to do with this debate.

This does not require a response.

Antagonism being brought onto this thread by others, from other threads is what I was referring to and it has happened.

If you are going to address me in public UKT, then it is fair that I too am allowed the same redress to you - otherwise what is the point of the PM facility that the mods tell us to use for such things.

I am raising points regarding my dubiety over the story - why there is such an issue with that, beats me - because I won't bend over and say how horrified I am at this is: how awful I find this or that I think the police should be ashamed - and not say that I simply don't believe this story.... somehow allows me to be targetted?

[Kizzy]

indeed thanks. mind you the cops werent unable it appears they were simply unwilling. after the endless stories of the police failures, I cant say Im that surprised.

Well I don't know about that, like I said if he had been a minor or a vulnerable adult (learning difficulties or disability) it may have been another story.
Cardiff is a high crime area they have much to deal with, they are not a taxi service...you are :)

[Benjamin]

Antagonism being brought onto this thread by others, from other threads is what I was referring to and it has happened.

If you are going to address me in public UKT, then it is fair that I too am allowed the same redress to you - otherwise what is the point of the PM facility that the mods tell us to use for such things.

I am raising points regarding my dubiety over the story - why there is such an issue with that, beats me - because I won't bend over and say how horrified I am at this is: how awful I find this or that I think the police should be ashamed - and not say that I simply don't believe this story.... somehow allows me to be targetted?

Because I'm not looking, nor do I care for justification on what you are doing. I'm doing my job and telling you to stop. You are also fully aware of the procedure to take if you feel targeted.

[Vanessa]

Well I don't know about that, like I said if he had been a minor or a vulnerable adult (learning difficulties or disability) it may have been another story.
Cardiff is a high crime area they have much to deal with, they are not a taxi service...you are :)

I know, but the poor lad sounded scared and alone. I feel for him. I was in that position when i first cam to the UK. I had no job, not much money and nowhere to go. I was frightened, but people helped me. :)

[Pyramid*]

Because I'm not looking, nor do I care for justification on what you are doing. I'm doing my job and telling you to stop. You are also fully aware of the procedure to take if you feel targeted.

Great stuff, I'll use the report facility in future for all such posts. thanks.

[Pyramid*]

Well I don't know about that, like I said if he had been a minor or a vulnerable adult (learning difficulties or disability) it may have been another story.
Cardiff is a high crime area they have much to deal with, they are not a taxi service...you are :)

Points worth noting from above.

Correct. He was an adult.

He chose to visit a friend and chose to go with no money, no means of contacting anyone, not dressed for inclinement weather, no idea how to get back home (even the next day), despite this friend living 30 miles away, and couldn't wait outside until his friend had been interviewed for them to both then stay overnight together?.

And somehow, that makes him someone elses responsibility?

[InOne]

Should always have a plan B

[joeysteele]

indeed thanks. mind you the cops werent unable it appears they were simply unwilling. after the endless stories of the police failures, I cant say Im that surprised.

From your opening post, I would agree, it would seem the Police were unwilling to help rather than they couldn't.

I would have expected them to do more really,I came across someone who seemed distressed just after I started Uni, I got her to a Mcdonalds, the only place open at the time, got her something to eat and a hot drink.

I have to admit I was glad I had another student friend with me at the time,as I was worried what people may have thought.
We persuaded her though to talk to the Police,there was a Constable walking up and down the street outside and he got her sorted and took things over from us.
So they can be of great assistance if they wish to be,I mention this as to my own personal experience only in that it possibly helps with your view as to your occurence in that would they have helped us had our she been a he, as in your instance.

The Police do have a lot to do admittedly and as we hear now, there are a great many wrongs all through the Police forces all over the Country.
However somone without a coat, therefore adequate clothing, no money, out on a rotten night,seemingly nowhere to go,clearly upset too and that it was also very late, would have,I would have thought anyway, warranted doing at the very least what you did and make sure he was at least safe until the next day.

[Vanessa]

From your opening post, I would agree, it would seem the Police were unwilling to help rather than they couldn't.

I would have expected them to do more really,I came across someone who seemed distressed just after I started Uni, I got her to a Mcdonalds, the only place open at the time, got her something to eat and a hot drink.

I have to admit I was glad I had another student friend with me at the time,as I was worried what people may have thought.
We persuaded her though to talk to the Police,there was a Constable walking up and down the street outside and he got her sorted and took things over from us.
So they can be of great assistance if they wish to be,I mention this as to my own personal experience only in that it possibly helps with your view as to your occurence in that would they have helped us had our she been a he, as in your instance.

The Police do have a lot to do admittedly and as we hear now, there are a great many wrongs all through the Police forces all over the Country.
However somone without a coat, therefore adequate clothing, no money, out on a rotten night,seemingly nowhere to go,clearly upset too and that it was also very late, would have,I would have thought anyway, warranted doing at the very least what you did and make sure he was at least safe until the next day.

Poor boy! I can't believe police left him outside with no money and nowhere to go. :nono:

[Vicky.]

Points worth noting from above.

Correct. He was an adult.

He chose to visit a friend and chose to go with no money, no means of contacting anyone, not dressed for inclinement weather, no idea how to get back home (even the next day), despite this friend living 30 miles away, and couldn't wait outside until his friend had been interviewed for them to both then stay overnight together?.

And somehow, that makes him someone elses responsibility?
Yeah this part does stand out as quite odd. Surely he was planning on going home at some point...

[joeysteele]

I know, but the poor lad sounded scared and alone. I feel for him. I was in that position when i first cam to the UK. I had no job, not much money and nowhere to go. I was frightened, but people helped me. :)

Excellent point, I would hope that overall most in Britain would still do that Vanessa and I am glad you found help when it was needed.
He did sound scared and alone from the opening post, he also seemed like he was possibly in an element of shock, all factors in my opinion anyway, to reach out to him.

[Vanessa]

Excellent point, I would hope that overall most in Britain would still do that Vanessa and I am glad you found help when it was needed.
He did sound scared and alone from the opening post, he also seemed like he was possibly in an element of shock, all factors in my opinion anyway, to reach out to him.

You'd have to be very cold hearted to refuse him help. I'm glad he got the help he needed at the end. :blush:

[Pyramid*]

Poor boy! I can't believe police left him outside with no money and nowhere to go. :nono:

Yes, neither can I.

[Pyramid*]

You'd have to be very cold hearted to refuse him help. I'm glad he got the help he needed at the end. :blush:

Or pretty gullible .... there's always that possibility that he simply was 'at it'.

[Vanessa]

Yes, neither can I.

They could have at least made sure he was ok. Maybe called a relative? :(

[Vanessa]

Or pretty gullible .... there's always that possibility that he simply was 'at it'.

Yes, it's possible. But he was still vulnerable. He could have been attacked or worse if he was left outside all alone. He's still only 18.

[Pyramid*]

Yes, it's possible. But he was still vulnerable. He could have been attacked or worse if he was left outside all alone. He's still only 18.

Not any more vulnerable than anyone else who could have waited until his 'friend' had finished been interviewed by the police: for them both to then go to wherever the 'friend' then stayed after his police interview.

[Vanessa]

Not any more vulnerable than anyone else who could have waited until his 'friend' had finished been interviewed by the police: for them both to then go to wherever the 'friend' then stayed after his police interview.

I agree that would have been better. I have no idea why the friend left him. :conf:

[Kizzy]

Or pretty gullible .... there's always that possibility that he simply was 'at it'.

At what?
He may have had a return bus or train ticket, no good in the middle of the night are they?


I think this subject is exausted, what else can be said? he asked a local cabby for help as the police couldn't or wouldn't...
It's not indicative of failures within the police or society, it's just one incident.

[Pyramid*]

At what?
He may have had a return bus or train ticket, no good in the middle of the night are they?


I think this subject is exausted, what else can be said? he asked a local cabby for help as the police couldn't or wouldn't...
It's not indicative of failures within the police or society, it's just one incident.

According to the OP's recollection of the story, he had no idea how he was going to get home the next day either..... so I'm guessing (ever the cynic that I am) that he'd have relied on someone else getting him home the next, either via arranging tranport for him or giving him the money. Either way: he was going to be expecting someone else to sort that out for him.

I do happen to totally agree 100% on your final comment.

[Kizzy]

According to the OP's recollection of the story, he had no idea how he was going to get home the next day either..... so I'm guessing (ever the cynic that I am) that he'd have relied on someone else getting him home the next, either via arranging tranport for him or giving him the money. Either way: he was going to be expecting someone else to sort that out for him.

I do happen to totally agree 100% on your final comment.

Well we cannot know that for certain so I will give the guy the benefit of the doubt.