Anti-Islam Film: 17 Killed in Pakistan

[arista]

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The 14min Film is still on YouTube.

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Pakistani Rangers cordon off the area near the US embassy in Islamabad.

"Pakistani officials say 15 people
have been killed in protests against
an anti-Islam film - including a dozen in Karachi.
A police officer and a driver working
for television are among the dead."



Maybe they need to remove the YouTube Film now?


http://news.sky.com/story/987983/anti-islam-film-fifteen-killed-in-pakistan

[King Gizzard]

If the extremists didn't do what they did at the embassy, the film would have never gone viral. Shot themselves in the foot and made it worse..the protests are making it more famous than it is on it's own

[flamingGalah!]

I don't think the film should be removed, we don't like many things that they do in Islamic countries or agree with parts of their beliefs & they don't care about that... Whatever happened to freedom of speech?

They are the ones who need to calm the ******* down & stop over reacting about a pretend god :nono:

[arista]

Maybe
but America (The President) is now saying that Attack in Libya
was planned before the YouTube Film.

There are many Muslim nations that put the Film
into Context of Anger in such a way
that other American buildings in those places
will be attacked

[MTVN]

I think the outrage against the film is now more about giving a means to express a wider anti-Western sentiment tbh

[mrlecturer]

my friends there are telling me all cellular network services have been shut since the protests started. this is just ridiculous; political leaders are merely manipulating this story to push forth their own agenda whilst taking control over the uneducated and ignorant populous. These people protesting don't even represent .1% of the country's population - fyi.

[arista]

I think the outrage against the film is now more about giving a means to express a wider anti-Western sentiment tbh


Of course.

[Pyramid*]

I don't think the film should be removed, we don't like many things that they do in Islamic countries or agree with parts of their beliefs & they don't care about that... Whatever happened to freedom of speech?

They are the ones who need to calm the ******* down & stop over reacting about a pretend god :nono:

I'm in agreeance with this.

The select 'nutters' and all their tagalongs need to calm their jets.... time they were lifted and flung in jail for a year or so: perhaps they'd appreciate their freedom - and what freedom means - after a spell there.

They seem to forget - very conveniently - that there are things that Islamic countries and followers of Islam (depending on how extreme they are) do that deeply offend Western cultures and countries: yet you don't see the Westerners going mental right left and centre at the drop of a hat, violently protesting at every turn, killing and maiming people who have not a thing to do with it all - all they are doing is damaging themeselves and the supposed value and beliefs that they purport to uphold.

[arista]

I don't think the film should be removed, we don't like many things that they do in Islamic countries or agree with parts of their beliefs & they don't care about that... Whatever happened to freedom of speech?

They are the ones who need to calm the ******* down & stop over reacting about a pretend god :nono:

I watched the 14mins youtube film
and at one point they claim he is Gay.
Some Muslims feel Gays should be hanged etc.

So that Mini Film is not Satire
it is to Start Wars over.

Its not good Enough for the President and the Clinton woman
saying its nothing to do with them
as although thats true the Muslims know
The prsident cam remove that YouTube mini film



So remove it - Is best.

[InOne]

It's all very ridiculous.

[arista]

I'm in agreeance with this. The select 'nutters' and all their tagalongs need to calm their jets.... time they were lifted and flung in jail for a year or so: perhaps they'd appreciate their freedom - and what freedom means - after a spell there. They seem to forget - very conveniently - that there are things that Islamic countries and followers of Islam (depending on how extreme they are) do that deeply offend Western cultures and countries: yet you don't see the Westerners going mental right left and centre at the drop of a hat, violently protesting at every turn, killing and maiming people who have not a thing to do with it all - all they are doing is damaging themeselves and the supposed value and beliefs that they purport to uphold.



No today a TV worker was killed
Remove the Video from YouTube is best.

[arista]

It's all very ridiculous.


Yes from a Western Point of View.


But that TV worker should not have been killed.



InOne
can you look at the Bigger Picture
like a WW3 starting up

[Pyramid*]

I watched the 14mins youtube film
and at one point they claim he is Gay.
Some Muslims feel Gays should be hanged etc.

So that Mini Film is not Satire
it is to Start Wars over.

Its not good Enough for the President and the Clinton woman
saying its nothing to do with them
as although thats true the Muslims know
The prsident cam remove that YouTube mini film



So remove it - Is best.

totally disagree that it should be removed - doing so is giving in to the extremists - they want to hijack freedom and rights for same, they want to forbid the right to freedom but only on their own terms.... but it's fine in their eyes for for them to want gays - ie; people who are living and breathing today - to be hung etc: but not okay for someone to say something about a person who is nothing more than a fictional character.

It's that's not madness: then I don't know what is.

Give into this and we may as well just give up altogether. It's time they DEALT with these nutters - : they seem to be increasing in number - and I do believe it's because they ARE getting away with these things and are being pandered to.

"Oh, dont do this, it might offend, dont do that, they might get upset". To hell with that: they need to learn that the world is a small place and it doesn't belong to them alone - if they can't hack someone having a difference of opinion - that's their problem.

When they make it someone elses problem and they do in the most horrific of ways - then it's time to show them what freedom means: they'll realise soon enough when they're fired in to some piss ridden hell hole in 40degree heat in the back of beyond, scrapping for food, living amongst cockroaches, poor sanitation, lack of any facilities and having to watch their back every minute of the day through fear of being sodomised, stabbed or beaten.

The sickening part is: it is causing tremendous damage to the millions of decent followers of Islam - and those who tar any Muslim with the same brush - that's the fall out - and they have not the brains to realise that.

[InOne]

Yes from a Western Point of View.


But that TV worker should not have been killed.



InOne
can you look at the Bigger Picture
like a WW3 starting up

Well everyone keeps saying that but nothing 'big' has happened. Muslims all over the world getting their knickers in a twist is nothing new.

[arista]

Well everyone keeps saying that but nothing 'big' has happened. Muslims all over the world getting their knickers in a twist is nothing new.


There is a bit in the film when they say he is gay.
Strict Muslims do not want Gay.


Its a Insult that creates murder.

[Marcus.]

it is now getting out of hand and what about the people dying

[arista]

totally disagree that it should be removed - doing so is giving in to the extremists - they want to hijack freedom and rights for same, they want to forbid the right to freedom but only on their own terms.... but it's fine in their eyes for for them to want gays - ie; people who are living and breathing today - to be hung etc: but not okay for someone to say something about a person who is nothing more than a fictional character. It's that's not madness: then I don't know what is. Give into this and we may as well just give up altogether. It's time they DEALT with these nutters - : they seem to be increasing in number - and I do believe it's because they ARE getting away with these things and are being pandered to. "Oh, dont do this, it might offend, dont do that, they might get upset". To hell with that: they need to learn that the world is a small place and it doesn't belong to them alone - if they can't hack someone having a difference of opinion - that's their problem. When they make it someone elses problem and they do in the most horrific of ways - then it's time to show them what freedom means: they'll realise soon enough when they're fired in to some piss ridden hell hole in 40degree heat in the back of beyond, scrapping for food, living amongst cockroaches, poor sanitation, lack of any facilities and having to watch their back every minute of the day through fear of being sodomised, stabbed or beaten. The sickening part is: it is causing tremendous damage to the millions of decent followers of Islam - and those who tar any Muslim with the same brush - that's the fall out - and they have not the brains to realise that.


Yes but it means we can still Joke
but not about muslims.



Some Nations
many have never seen the Film
so their Leaders tell them etc.
Of course they twist it.



Its not worth the trouble.

[arista]

it is now getting out of hand and what about the people dying


Yes
that TV worker was just doing his job driving the Sat truck.
They killed him even though he was one of them.

[Pyramid*]

There is a bit in the film when they say he is gay.
Strict Muslims do not want Gay.


Its a Insult that creates murder.


The insult does not create murder...... it needs the headcase fanatical extremists who will cause a riot over a dropped jelly bean if and when it suits them, to create the murders - funny that.... the westerners cannot have a distasteful opinion on a fictional character in a book: but murdering innocents - that appears to be okay in the extremists very warped minds.

[Pyramid*]

Yes
that TV worker was just doing his job driving the Sat truck.
They killed him even though he was one of them.

All the more reason to round up these deranged and dangerous nutters, bang them up and leave them to rot.

[GypsyGoth]

Doesn't the likes of Pakistan get loads of money as aid from the west?

Maybe there should be conditions to that money.

[fruit_cake]

not a woman in sight in the second of Arista's photo's there

[Pyramid*]

Doesn't the likes of Pakistan get loads of money as aid from the west?

Maybe there should be conditions to that money.

Good point GG: perhaps it's time that the respective Governments of countries who don't take real action actions these sorts, are given an incentive to do so: if they don't - funding is not made available.

Problem is: most of these type of Governments are as corrupt as hell and often have little power as far as real policing/action is concerned - lots involved re drugs in Pakistan and that's a hell of a pressure I'd imagine. It's a nightmare.

[Pyramid*]

not a woman in sight in the second of Arista's photo's there

they're all still in Bahrain protesting over there from last week.....

True though: very few women in the 2nd picture.

[fruit_cake]

they're all still in Bahrain protesting over there from last week.....

True though: very few women in the 2nd picture.

I find it hard to take any group seriously that does not accurately represent it's population. 99.9% men and 0.01% women clearly does not represent the population. It's no wonder they appear to be barking mad imo

[armand.kay]

Can someone post a link to the video I want to see what all the fuss is about.

[GypsyGoth]

Can someone post a link to the video I want to see what all the fuss is about.

Here is the link (I'll delete it after you've seen it).

[Pyramid*]

I find it hard to take any group seriously that does not accurately represent it's population. 99.9% men and 0.01% women clearly does not represent the population. It's no wonder they appear to be barking mad imo

Having watched the recent protest in Bahrain, with many many women protesters (totally different situ and scenario) - it's with real regret that the women protesters are fast taking the same ground as their menfolk. wish I could recall the name of one of the female leaders: when she was interviewed: she was as much of a loose cannon as the very men we are speaking of now - and so too were her female protesters. shame, I thought they'd have had more sense.

[InOne]

I sense a fatwa for Claudia!

[GypsyGoth]

I sense a fatwa for Claudia!

:laugh:

well there are one or two muslims on the forum, I don't want them angry at me.

[arista]

"it needs the headcase fanatical extremists "


Yes Pyramid
but they have short fuses
and the YouTube mini film is all they need

[arista]

I sense a fatwa for Claudia!

No I will Not Allow such a thing on TIBB people

[GypsyGoth]

No I will Not Allow such a thing on TIBB people

:worship:

[Pyramid*]

I sense a fatwa for Claudia!


:o

[Pyramid*]

"it needs the headcase fanatical extremists "


Yes Pyramid
but they have short fuses
and the YouTube mini film is all they need


They need to learn how to curb their temper and deal with their short fuses; not be pandered to.

It's like giving a spoilt child everything they want: they more the throw a tantrum: the more they know they'll get their own way.

They need to be dealt with - not have their every whim catered to- which is what they want.

[InOne]

No I will Not Allow such a thing on TIBB people

Good to know you have our safety in mind arista

[Bluerang1]

These radical Islams are annoying, why can't people express how they want against a MAN? Whether you believe in Jesus or not, Christians don't consider him just a man, but even Islams know Mohamed is just a man. Yet he's special for some reason? o_O

[MTVN]

Doesn't the likes of Pakistan get loads of money as aid from the west?

Maybe there should be conditions to that money.

Well they do have to sacrifice quite a bit for the West's support and have arguably suffered a lot from it, they've had a lot of civilians killed from US drone attacks and other NATO operations in their country which will probably have fuelled the anger over this and made it easier for extremists to manipulate people and stir up tensions

[armand.kay]

Here is the link (I'll delete it after you've seen it).



seen it.

[GypsyGoth]

:thumbs:

[Nedusa]

I don't think the film should be removed, we don't like many things that they do in Islamic countries or agree with parts of their beliefs & they don't care about that... Whatever happened to freedom of speech?

They are the ones who need to calm the ******* down & stop over reacting about a pretend god :nono:

You hit the nail on the head with your last comment, religion is important to the individual on a personal spiritual level, a moral compass , a blueprint to lead a honest, fulfilling life in the earnest hope an afterlife awaits.

It should never be misconstrued into such an evil, hate filled , death worshipping ideology.To witness these scenes of frenzied flag burning hatred pouring out on cue every time their God/Prophet is "Insulted" is sad in the extreme.

I think it's maybe time the more moderate Muslim leaders realised that they need to start educating the next generation of Muslims that you need to practise what you preach, and that this form of Islamic extremist fanaticism has no place in today's world.

[fruit_cake]

You hit the nail on the head with your last comment, religion is important to the individual on a personal spiritual level, a moral compass , a blueprint to lead a honest, fulfilling life in the earnest hope an afterlife awaits.

It should never be misconstrued into such an evil, hate filled , death worshipping ideology.To witness these scenes of frenzied flag burning hatred pouring out on cue every time their God/Prophet is "Insulted" is sad in the extreme.

I think it's maybe time the more moderate Muslim leaders realised that they need to start educating the next generation of Muslims that you need to practise what you preach, and that this form of Islamic extremist fanaticism has no place in today's world.

I do see the sentiment that you offer there but we do have to remember that it wasn't so long ago that Christians were also patrolling the world on crusades doing the same sort of things. In many ways the states is still doing the same thing even today.

Seems to me that today's world, is actually many different worlds that are not all evolving at the same pace or frankly in the same time period.

I don't know what the answer is, but if the problems are going to be solved they must first be fully understood in my view.

[Nedusa]

I do see the sentiment that you offer there but we do have to remember that it wasn't so long ago that Christians were also patrolling the world on crusades doing the same sort of things. In many ways the states is still doing the same thing even today.

Seems to me that today's world, is actually many different worlds that are not all evolving at the same pace or frankly in the same time period.

I don't know what the answer is, but if the problems are going to be solved they must first be fully understood in my view.

Yes you are right, Christianity had the same problems of extremism but most of this was in the Middle ages, where there was no TV for everyone to see.

I just hope the pace of change in Muslim teachings can increase as there is no where to "hide" the more radical behaviours of a small minority. And the fear is that these scenes could cause a backlash by other religions extremist factions.

[Niall]

I just saw a news report on this and I do think that's its been ridiculously blown out of proportion. It does irk me slightly that there's been such a huge backlash about it, I mean its just film right? If a film were made that attacked another religion in this style then I'm pretty sure that a reaction of this magnitude would never be seen.

I do think though, that it's the corrupt governments of the countries experiencing this unrest trying to deflect attention from internal problems and distract the population. It's easier for them to do that than fix what's going on. That's my view anyway

[arista]

"I mean its just film right?"

Yes 14mins
saying their scared one was Gay etc.

The point of it has worked