Asda Sex Attack: Boy, 4, Assaulted In Toilet

[bbfan1991]

Police have appealed for help after a four-year-old boy was sexually abused in a supermarket toilet in West Dunbartonshire.

The incident happened on Tuesday at 1.55pm in the men's toilet at Asda superstore in Britannia Way, Clydebank.

The boy had been allowed to go into the toilet on his own by his mother who was waiting for him outside.

Strathclyde Police say the incident happened within minutes of the boy entering the toilet and he raised the alarm when he came out.

Detectives are closely inspecting CCTV footage from the Asda store and have appealed for the public to help them in their investigation to find the alleged attacker.

Detective Inspector Graham Cordner, who is helping lead the investigation, told Sky News the boy is trying to help the police as much as he can to identify the man but because of his age specialised officers are needed to interview him.

The boy has described his attacker as being male, dressed in dark clothing with logos on his top.

Det Insp Cordner said he could not confirm the age of the man.

He told Sky News: "This is a very worrying incident but I do want to stress to the general public that it was a completely isolated incident.

"We do need the help of the public who were in the store, or in the Clydebank shopping area, at the time of this attack to come forward.

"If anyone saw anything, even if they don't think it's important, it may well be. So please just contact the police. We just need as much information as possible so we can get a full picture as to what happened."

It is hoped that CCTV footage throughout the store and the surrounding car parks and shops in the area will reveal clues as to the identity of the alleged sex attacker.

An Asda spokeswoman said: "We have taken this report very seriously. We alerted the police and are supporting them fully in their investigation."

Police have asked anyone who was in the supermarket at the time or who saw anyone acting suspiciously in the store or surrounding area to make contact with Dumbarton Police Office on 01389 822000.


Poor kid, hope he is OK and is having lots of support. His family obviously must be distraught that this has happened:(. Some people are sick in the head!

[arista]

http://news.sky.com/story/988020/asda-sex-attack-boy-4-assaulted-in-toilet

I hope they catch him. CCTV to go through
If only she took him into a womans toilet
into a cubicle, which she stands outside from.

[Kizzy]

I was sooo paranoid about this my lad was 9 before i let him go to a public loo alone, and then i would push the door and shout hurry up!
I got a few odd looks but I didn't care..

[arista]

I was sooo paranoid about this my lad was 9 before i let him go to a public loo alone, and then i would push the door and shout hurry up! I got a few odd looks but I didn't care..

That I fully understand.

You are Wise.

As you never know - when the next time is.

With The CCTV
I am sure they will get this Evil punk.

[Marcus.]

That I fully understand.

You are Wise.

As you never know - when the next time is.

With The CCTV
I am sure they will get this Evil punk.

here here

[Pyramid*]

This is beyond sick.

what I don't get is: the wee boy was 4. I can honestly say that at that age, most parents (male or female) - take the child to the toilet when it's a public one. WTH was the mother thinking about?

Clydebank - many parts of it - can be tough, rough and very ready ...... I have no pity for the guy in question if he's found before the cops do..... even saying that: I wouldn't be surprised if / when that happens, that the cops accidentally cause some damage to him. I wish them well when his time comes.

[GypsyGoth]

:sad:

[Vanessa]

Agreed! A 4 year old allowed in the toilet by himself? That's crazy! :crazy:

[Angus]

Where on earth is the parents' responsibility? I'm not diminishing what this monster did. but why would any parent let a 4 year old out of their sight?

[fruit_cake]

awful, I can't believe the mother let him in a toilets on his own. She should have taken him in with her in the ladies. No doubt the perp thought he'd get away with it unknowingly that the CCTV was videoing him.

[bbfan1991]

I agree, how did she let that child out of her sight? That is a question that she will continue to blame herself over.

[Kizzy]

Thats a bit unfair to start with the poor parenting slant, its not like every supermarket toilet comes with a resident peado is it?..
My two were quite capable of toiletting themselves, I was jus a little over cautious.
It's a nightmare senario and my heart really goes out to them.
Someone tried to snatch me when I was a kid in an amusement arcade so i'm a bit wary of strangers and strange places.

[Pyramid*]

Much as I really want to: I'm not going to make judgement on the mother: she's learned one very hard lesson and she'll have to live with that, god forbid it's bad enough as it is: but it could have been so much worse.

Hopefully with the wee fella being so young: it may not impact too much, one can only hope that it doesn't.

Given that there will be a limited amount of traffic from the male toilet - I'm hopeful that this sick swine of a man will be caught.

[arista]

awful, I can't believe the mother let him in a toilets on his own. She should have taken him in with her in the ladies. No doubt the perp thought he'd get away with it unknowingly that the CCTV was videoing him.

Yes but maybe he would not go into a Ladies
with his mum.


Every Child is not the same.

[Pyramid*]

I was sooo paranoid about this my lad was 9 before i let him go to a public loo alone, and then i would push the door and shout hurry up!
I got a few odd looks but I didn't care..

Thats a bit unfair to start with the poor parenting slant, its not like every supermarket toilet comes with a resident peado is it?..

My two were quite capable of toiletting themselves, I was jus a little over cautious.

It's a nightmare senario and my heart really goes out to them.

Someone tried to snatch me when I was a kid in an amusement arcade so i'm a bit wary of strangers and strange places.

bit of a change in stance from your first post Kiz.

I personally am not and was not inferring that it was poor parenting: what I am saying is it was not good judgement, not at all - for all sorts of reasons - never mind this terrible one.

After all - paedophiles tend to be in the last place you'd expect, and often, are the last person you'd ever think it would be - the fact that it happened to be in a supermarket toilet makes no difference - it could have been in the local library / the cafe up the road.

[Pyramid*]

Yes but maybe he would not go into a Ladies
with his mum.


Every Child is not the same.

At 4 years of age Arista: a very young child does what the parents tell it: not the other way around.

[Vanessa]

At 4 years of age Arista: a very young child does what the parents tell it: not the other way around.

Exactly. I would have taken him with me to the ladies.

[arista]

At 4 years of age Arista: a very young child does what the parents tell it: not the other way around.


Sure.

But the mother may have thought being in a store was safe.

I think Kizzy could do a public information film
or Direct it.

[Kizzy]

bit of a change in stance from your first post Kiz.

I personally am not and was not inferring that it was poor parenting: what I am saying is it was not good judgement, not at all - for all sorts of reasons - never mind this terrible one.

After all - paedophiles tend to be in the last place you'd expect, and often, are the last person you'd ever think it would be - the fact that it happened to be in a supermarket toilet makes no difference - it could have been in the local library / the cafe up the road.

Did you even get to the bottom of my second comment before you started typing your reply?....My guess is no.

[fruit_cake]

At 4 years of age Arista: a very young child does what the parents tell it: not the other way around.

exactly

[arista]

Exactly. I would have taken him with me to the ladies.


Yes as you can stand outside the cubicle
Its normal to do that , I think.

[fruit_cake]

Yes as you can stand outside the cubicle
Its normal to do that , I think.

It's perfectly normal for a mother to go inside the cubicle, not just wait outside.

[Pyramid*]

Did you even get to the bottom of my second comment before you started typing your reply?....My guess is no.

Yes, I did. You guessed wrong. Your first post explained that you were 'sooooo paranoid' ., without the further detail being necessary; it doesn't change my thoughts on the matter though.

[arista]

It's perfectly normal for a mother to go inside the cubicle, not just wait outside.

Sure
whatever helps the lad

[Pyramid*]

It's perfectly normal for a mother to go inside the cubicle, not just wait outside.

I often notice mum is at the 'open door' to the cubicle - inside just about, with the door half shut, half open - due to the lack of space in some of them (as well as to give the wee one a bit of privacy) - or as you say, be inside the cubicle.

[armand.kay]

Omg :bawling:

[fruit_cake]

it appears to me to be that he's some sort of opportunistic attacker, a very dangerous man indeed.

[Pyramid*]

Sure.

But the mother may have thought being in a store was safe.

I think Kizzy could do a public information film
or Direct it.

I'm quite sure she did...I'm also taking into account that she could have had a full trolley's worth of shopping and the choice was let the lad nip to the loo and her wait to keep her eye on the shopping etc..... it doesn't change my opinion though: at 4 years of age, the lad could have slipped off the toilet seat and battered his head, he could have got himself locked in the cubicle, he could have had difficulty wiping his bum for all I know...... far less this horrible situation arising.

[Kizzy]

Yes, I did. You guessed wrong. Your first post explained that you were 'sooooo paranoid' ., without the further detail being necessary; it doesn't change my thoughts on the matter though.

Stop inferring I contradicted myself then...
I was paranoid in those situations, this does not mean everyone should be.
It was due to my past experience alone.

[fruit_cake]

with respect to what Pyr says, I think it's normal to be paranoid in that kind of situation Kiz I know I am. To me the fear of something happening it just too much to take even a risk like that

[Pyramid*]

Stop inferring I contradicted myself then...
I was paranoid in those situations, this does not mean everyone should be.
It was due to my past experience alone.

It sounded as though you changed stance, that's what it reads like, and that's why I mentioned the change. You are correct, not everyone should be so paranoid: I don't happen to believe you were - I understand why you were.

It doesn't alter the fact that I believe your actions (regardless of the reasons why) were correct - and I'd far rather a mother being overly careful than not.

[Marc]

Uhhh how terrifying.

How can anybody be so sick :bored:

[Pyramid*]

with respect to what Pyr says, I think it's normal to be paranoid in that kind of situation Kiz I know I am. To me the fear of something happening it just too much to take even a risk like that

Given the sick world we live in, where we hear of this type of thing far too often: I couldn't agree more.

It's disgraceful that it is the society we live in - that's as sickening as this story is.

[fruit_cake]

Given the sick world we live in, where we hear of this type of thing far too often: I couldn't agree more.

It's disgraceful that it is the society we live in - that's as sickening as this story is.

slightly of topic I accept but I wonder, hasn't it always been the case though? I know in Spain for example Paedo's are rife, the difference being that in the UK we are more aware of it. I often wonder just how common it was back in the 40s 50s 60s etc. I know my mum and dad have occasionally mentioned the strange looking men who used to sit on park benches offering sweets and the likes. My mum often mentioned the way she just knew not to take anything or even go near them.

[Kizzy]

]It sounded as though you changed stance, that's what it reads like,[/B] and that's why I mentioned the change. You are correct, not everyone should be so paranoid: I don't happen to believe you were - I understand why you were.

It doesn't alter the fact that I believe your actions (regardless of the reasons why) were correct - and I'd far rather a mother being overly careful than not.

What the hell are you blabbering on about woman?

No it does not, you got the wrong end of the stick and started to beat your own brain in with it as per usual.

[Marc]

Why does every thread have to turn into some battle ground for undermining people and trying to nit pick people's posts about how they're wrong etc.

I mean I would understand it and fully expect it when the posts are actually about the story, but not when members are just trying to p*ss others off by trying to prove somebody else wrong about the way they have typed something.

:bored: Seriously ladies, please give it a rest.

[Pyramid*]

slightly of topic I accept but I wonder, hasn't it always been the case though? I know in Spain for example Paedo's are rife, the difference being that in the UK we are more aware of it. I often wonder just how common it was back in the 40s 50s 60s etc. I know my mum and dad have occasionally mentioned the strange looking men who used to sit on park benches offering sweets and the likes. My mum often mentioned the way she just knew not to take anything or even go near them.


I've had this discussion many times with friends....in that it's just more spoken about now, we are more open, but I'm not entirely convinced. There always have been bad people about, and I recall all the adverts on telly when I was a kid warning not to go into cars, take sweets, go away with strangers - but that seems to not be hammered home enough these days?

Years ago: when this type of thing happened, punishment was far stricter - even as to 'mob mentality' as well as the police metting out their own unofficial punishment..... I do wonder if the soft approach now given, with all the emphasis on 'rehabilitation' etc - is the reason there is more of it - because the deterrents aren't enough ...?

[Pyramid*]

What the hell are you blabbering on about woman?

No it does not, you got the wrong end of the stick and started to beat your own brain in with it as per usual.

No need for insults Kizzy. You made an incorrect assumption on what I read. That however didn't alter the fact that I happened to agree with you that your method of dealing with your own child re needing to use public toilets was correct. I don't believe you were paranoid - you chose those words, I understand why - I simply happen to believe that regardless: you did the right thing.

[AnnieK]

Absolutely terrifying this..... My boy is only 2 and I worry about what kind of a world I have brought him into. Recently 2guys attacked a 14 year old boy in Manchester in a toilet too. Too many evil b*******in the world... They should give the family 5 minutes with him when they catch him....doubt he would be able to do anything to anyone ever again after that

[Niamh.]

Pyramid can you two just ignore eachothers comments from now on. Every thread in the serious Debates section is starting to feel like a broken record between you two.

[Pyramid*]

Pyramid can you two just ignore eachothers comments from now on. Every thread in the serious Debates section is starting to feel like a broken record between you two.





why the hell is this directed at ME. Or is that just the easy option......?

I bloody well agree that Kizzy did the right thing - and still I get it in the neck. I don't insult but I'm the one this is predominately directed at.

[Niamh.]

why the hell is this directed at ME. Or is that just the easy option......?

I bloody well agree that Kizzy did the right thing - and still I get it in the neck. I don't insult but I'm the one this is predominately directed at.

I meant to say Pyramid and KIzzy

[arista]

Thats Fair enough.


Not 1

2

[Pyramid*]

I meant to say Pyramid and KIzzy

Fair does.

I meant to watch the local news tonight to see what the recent update was ....and forgot. :(

[armand.kay]

This is so terrible why would you do this to a 4 year old :bawling:

[Mrluvaluva]

This is just terrible. Only a few weeks ago I read about the young boy sexually assaulted in Debenhams in Manchester. This week I read about a 13 year old boy raped in Oldham shopping centre. Now this poor 4 year old. These people need locking up and the key thrown away. Sick, horrible people in this world that it could do without.

[Pyramid*]

This is just terrible. Only a few weeks ago I read about the young boy sexually assaulted in Debenhams in Manchester. This week I read about a 13 year old boy raped in Oldham shopping centre. Now this poor 4 year old. These people need locking up and the key thrown away. Sick, horrible people in this world that it could do without.

My thoughts too, and to hell with the ''give them treatment, they need to be rehabilitated'' believers: I very much doubt they'd feel that way if one of their own had suffered.

[joeysteele]

My parents would have never let me use a public toilet alone when I was 4.

She should have taken him to the Ladies,I would have thought the golden rule of parenting should be, never let a child that young out of your sight unless you know who they are with.

This is an awful experience for this lad to have gone through and unsavoury people can be anywhere these days.
Asda generally have security people near the entrances to their stores,I am sure they could have arranged for someone to have taken him into the toilet for her even and made sure he was 100% safe.

I hope they get who was responsible,a really despicable act.Some really awful person to do this to a 4 year old.

[Munchkins]

What an awful story, just disgusting
hope they find the bastard who did this

[Me. I Am Salman]

I would never let a 4 year old kid loose in a public toilet, not just for the risk of paedos but what if it like falls in the toilet or something :/

When I was 4 my mum would take me to the women's toilet if it was just us two out

[AnnieK]

My thoughts too, and to hell with the ''give them treatment, they need to be rehabilitated'' believers: I very much doubt they'd feel that way if one of their own had suffered.

In cases like this I really think they should lock themin a room with the families of the victim...it will never happen but think of the sense of justice the people will get... Failing that they should have pedophile tattooed on their foreheads o they can never escape the stigma of what they have done...their victims never will

[Kizzy]

I meant to say Pyramid and KIzzy

:conf: I'm more sick of it than you believe me.

[Jake.]

just makes me feel sick

[Mrluvaluva]

My thoughts too, and to hell with the ''give them treatment, they need to be rehabilitated'' believers: I very much doubt they'd feel that way if one of their own had suffered.

I agree. I just read this (http://news.sky.com/story/987944/man-locked-up-for-horrifying-child-abuse) too. It absolutely sickens me.

[Jake.]

God that's just ****ing disgusting. What a terrible world we live in.

[Kizzy]

I cannot believe my eyes.....twisted human, much as I hate to ill will anyone. What could drive a person to that?

[Munchkins]

I cannot believe my eyes.....twisted human, much as I hate to ill will anyone. What could drive a person to that?

Someone whos just pure evil inside..

[Kizzy]

Someone whos just pure evil inside..

Spot on :(
Are there more of these people than there were?...They seem to be everywhere lately.
Soulless voids with no concience

[Munchkins]

Spot on :(
Are there more of these people than there were?...They seem to be everywhere lately.
Soulless voids with no concience

They were less caught in the past, and it was not as discusssed as much i think.. :/
the amount of stories is just horrific

[Nedusa]

Are paedophiles " pure evil" as has been suggested in various posts or are they Mentally ill , should they be put in mainstream prisons ( albeit in a separate section) or should they be treated in a secure hospital with the full range of treatments depending on the degree of their illness ie therapy to full castration.

That They should not be allowed out in public is something we can all agree on...!!!

[Pyramid*]

In cases like this I really think they should lock themin a room with the families of the victim...it will never happen but think of the sense of justice the people will get... Failing that they should have pedophile tattooed on their foreheads o they can never escape the stigma of what they have done...their victims never will

Part of me hates the baying crowd out for blood - but when it involves innocent children and suchlike (same with those who beat OAPs etc to a pulp for £2 etc) - the most vulnerable and least able to protect themselves - in those cases - esp the kiddies who can suffer psychologically in the most awful ways for the rest of their lives; I'm prepared to let justice be met outwith the courts - particularly given the pathetic sentences metted out these days: and of how little time is actually served.



I agree. I just read this (http://news.sky.com/story/987944/man-locked-up-for-horrifying-child-abuse) too. It absolutely sickens me.

Having read that story, and the heartbreaking comments about one of the young boys writing suicide notes - a laddie not even a teenager: I really honestly see no reason to keep sick gits like this alive - I'm serious about that. Pay for their upkeep in prison for whatever paltry time they actually serve - nope: when there is irrefutible proof as in the link you've provided shows: a lethal injection would be more than appropriate. Harsh view but there you have it.

[Pyramid*]

Are paedophiles " pure evil" as has been suggested in various posts or are they Mentally ill , should they be put in mainstream prisons ( albeit in a separate section) or should they be treated in a secure hospital with the full range of treatments depending on the degree of their illness ie therapy to full castration.

That They should not be allowed out in public is something we can all agree on...!!!


In this world of people quoting the Human Rights Act - full castration is most likely never going to happen.

Should they be kept away from public - absolutely. Preferrably whilst feeding the worms - may as well have them serve some purpose.

As for ''are they evil or mentally ill''? That kinda stopped me in my tracks..... conscience tells me that if they are mentally ill that my views on getting rid of them is very wrong - that said: it's claimed many serial killers are mentally ill - I'd still have them be given their last injection - anyone who has an inbuilt desire to hurt or abuse other human beings in the most depraved and sick ways - and is smart enough to chose the most vulnerable who cannot fight back isn't 'that' mentally ill....... it's inbuilt, I doubt it would ever really change and the danger is still always there (IMO). That's not saying this is the case: it's simply my view.

[Nedusa]

In this world of people quoting the Human Rights Act - full castration is most likely never going to happen.

Should they be kept away from public - absolutely. Preferrably whilst feeding the worms - may as well have them serve some purpose.

As for ''are they evil or mentally ill''? That kinda stopped me in my tracks..... conscience tells me that if they are mentally ill that my views on getting rid of them is very wrong - that said: it's claimed many serial killers are mentally ill - I'd still have them be given their last injection - anyone who has an inbuilt desire to hurt or abuse other human beings in the most depraved and sick ways - and is smart enough to chose the most vulnerable who cannot fight back isn't 'that' mentally ill....... it's inbuilt, I doubt it would ever really change and the danger is still always there (IMO). That's not saying this is the case: it's simply my view.

Good Post, I agree when Mental Illness coincides with acts of extreme evil and depravity, it's maybe time to admit as a Society that people who sadly have these mental afflictions cannot ever , ever be allowed to rejoin society. Maybe the concept of treatment and rehabilitation does not apply.

If you look at the number of so called rehabilitated "paedophiles" that have gone on to rape or molest , then this kinda proves the point.

This is such a taboo subject and is desperately sad for ALL concerned.

[Pyramid*]

Good Post, I agree when Mental Illness coincides with acts of extreme evil and depravity, it's maybe time to admit as a Society that people who sadly have these mental afflictions cannot ever , ever be allowed to rejoin society. Maybe the concept of treatment and rehabilitation does not apply.

If you look at the number of so called rehabilitated "paedophiles" that have gone on to rape or molest , then this kinda proves the point.

This is such a taboo subject and is desperately sad for ALL concerned.


The part that doesn't sit well with me is the fact that these types is thta whether they are classed as being mentally ill - they are not that mentally ill that they cannot (often) plan carefully and target the most vulnerable, and are able to cover their tracks. How often do you hear of stories of these types 'selecting' for example: a 15 year old boy who is well built, fully fit, tall, sporty type and more than able to 'handle themselves' - very very few. So it's often a very calculated, well thought out specific targetting.

More concerningly is when the supposed pillars of society are at it - judges, doctors, police, etc: that's when it really pales into unbelievable levels of depravity - these are highly intelligent people who know right from wrong and are in priviledged positions: who have the capacity to seek 'help' for themselves - but don't - instead they chose to follow their sick desires.

[fruit_cake]

The part that doesn't sit well with me is the fact that these types is thta whether they are classed as being mentally ill - they are not that mentally ill that they cannot (often) plan carefully and target the most vulnerable, and are able to cover their tracks. How often do you hear of stories of these types 'selecting' for example: a 15 year old boy who is well built, fully fit, tall, sporty type and more than able to 'handle themselves' - very very few. So it's often a very calculated, well thought out specific targetting.

More concerningly is when the supposed pillars of society are at it - judges, doctors, police, etc: that's when it really pales into unbelievable levels of depravity - these are highly intelligent people who know right from wrong and are in priviledged positions: who have the capacity to seek 'help' for themselves - but don't - instead they chose to follow their sick desires.

exactly, truth appears to be that they aren't mentally ill at all, they seem to be just evil cowards who prey on vulnerable people. The mind boggles as to why certain types spend their life times defending these people, giving them all the excuses under the sun for their behaviour.

[Kizzy]

I do believe it it is a mental illness, I don't believe you can rehabilitate though, I would go so far as to say that it was impossible.
It may be that as they are experts in manipulation.. that these highly inteligent deviants can fool psychologists into thinking they are rehabilitated?
I see it as a type of psychopathy, they are 'driven' to do these things 'compelled' and like psycohpaths they have no empathy or compassion for thier victims.
They are 'wired up' wrong, through nature or nurture we don't know, once a chemical change has occured in the brain it can never be reversed.
This is my veiw now, following this programme.
43Mv5Hw4Geg

[arista]

Yes kizzy
Great Docu Clip.

Wired Wrong go to Prison

[chuff me dizzy]

What on earth was the Mother thinking about letting a 4 yr old go into a public toilet by himself in the first place? :shocked:

[Pyramid*]

Surprised there hasn't been more about this in the way of update (or maybe time is just passing very slowly for me).