View Full Version : Mitchell Resigns : F- Pleb Police called - that Copper should have arrested the MP
arista
21-09-2012, 06:06 PM
Chief whip faces calls to quit after '*******ing plebs' outburst at Downing Street police who told him to get off his bike
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2206484/Andrew-Mitchell-forced-apologise-reportedly-calling-Downing-Street-police-f----plebs.html#ixzz2782xw7Me
So he lost his Cool.
Arrest him - Do not moan after it went on.
Its not like the Labour Nutter MP
who got violent.
Marcus.
21-09-2012, 06:07 PM
well that was cleaver
Kizzy
21-09-2012, 06:10 PM
Arrogant tory wanker!
arista
21-09-2012, 06:12 PM
well that was cleaver
Yes he Forget that he is just a Chief Whip.
But why did that Copper not arrest him
or did he say something with out swearing at him?
He can learn by this
Debated on Ch4 News
arista
21-09-2012, 06:14 PM
Arrogant tory wanker!
Just like
Arrogant
Labour Ponce Piss Head MP Joyce
was.,
Kizzy
21-09-2012, 06:21 PM
Just like
Arrogant
Labour Ponce Piss Head MP Joyce
was.,
An MP got pissed and started with collegues in a bar. Not the same as being stone cold sober and screaming abuse at polic officers.
I really hope that CCTV footage gets leaked to the press it would make my day!
Know your place you obnoxious tory cockhead.
Livia
21-09-2012, 06:27 PM
I'm afraid that's the attitude a lot of MPs have, from all parties. They suffer from the "Don't you know who I am??" syndrome.
Exactly.. look at him on his stupid bike with his stupid hair and stupid attitude :hmph:
Certainly wouldn't find me being arrogant when I'm a MP
arista
21-09-2012, 06:32 PM
An MP got pissed and started with collegues in a bar. Not the same as being stone cold sober and screaming abuse at polic officers. I really hope that CCTV footage gets leaked to the press it would make my day! Know your place you obnoxious tory cockhead.
Its The MP's Word Vs the Copper
He claims he never swore.
They have CCTV - No Sound.
He is a Chief Whip so he will be Cocky.
Ref : Ch4News
But the copper never arrested him
So Fecking get over it
arista
22-09-2012, 05:04 PM
"The plebs were the general body of free land-owning Roman citizens (as distinguished from slaves and the capite censi) in Ancient Rome. They were the non-aristocratic class of Rome, and consisted of freed people, shopkeepers, crafts people, skilled or unskilled workers and farmers[1]. Members of the plebs were also distinct from the higher order of the patricians. A member of the plebs was known as a plebeian (play /plɨˈbiːən/; Latin: plebeius). This term is used today to refer to one who is or appears to be of the middle or lower order; however, in Rome plebeians could become quite wealthy and influential."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pleb
As a Pleb he is Above a Slave
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/09/21/article-2206484-151E955E000005DC-885_634x472.jpg
Life In The Fast Lane.
Kizzy
22-09-2012, 05:08 PM
Its The MP's Word Vs the Copper
He claims he never swore.
They have CCTV - No Sound.
He is a Chief Whip so he will be Cocky.
Ref : Ch4News
But the copper never arrested him
So Fecking get over it
You fecking get over it...don't tell me they don't have sound on the downing st CCTV!
So what if he is chief whip...what does that mean, he is better than anyone else?..
Give your head a shake arista
arista
22-09-2012, 05:13 PM
They have CCTV
Without Sound.
Info Ch4News yesterday.
I am over it.
Its all these Stirring Labour Plebs doing the Trouble
King Gizzard
22-09-2012, 06:34 PM
pleb.
fruit_cake
22-09-2012, 06:46 PM
awful man
Kizzy
23-09-2012, 12:39 PM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012/sep/22/andrew-mitchell-beyond-unacceptable
QUOTE:
''Labour said that No 10 must say whether Mitchell was accusing the police officer of lying. "Downing Street must make clear exactly what Andrew Mitchell said to the police officer," a spokesman said.
"There are two alternatives: either the chief whip used appalling and offensive language to an officer going about their duty, or Mr Mitchell is saying the officer is lying.
"Downing Street will know. They must make the position clear urgently. A half-hearted apology is not enough."
Admit what you said you spineless tory fool.
Nedusa
23-09-2012, 12:54 PM
This is a total storm in a *******ing teacup, so a Minister had a bad day in the office and took it out on policeman who wouldn't open the gate to let him through with his bike. So a few angry words may have been exchanged , he may have even used the P word.
So what...!!!! Nobody cares it's a minor matter between two adults NOT an International news event tying up half the worlds media when there are other more important news stories not being covered or disclosed to the Public.
What is it with our Society with these political non stories, I mean should a Man an M.P a Minister a man who clearly has something to offer , resign from his post because he called a policeman a pleb ??? Seriously c'mon folks our society is going down the toilet and we are devoting precious time energy and resources on this nonsense..!!!
Pyramid*
23-09-2012, 12:56 PM
Much ado about nothing imo.
A man who is known to those at the gates, known to use them on his bicycle, who poses no security threat, is challenged unecessarily by some jumped up idiot in a uniform - the same type of power has gone to their head as may have gone to Mitchell's.
Perhaps the policeman concerned might want to take part in serious police duties and see how offended he gets when he's having dealing with the scum of society - see how he handles what THEY say to him - if he was so offended and a member of the public (which Mitchell is), 'broke the law'.... said police officer is no use at their job as they didn't 'enforce the law that they are paid to'.... didn't arrest him. Just moaned and bitched afterwards.
Not the type of police force I want protecting me. If he's too much of a coward to enforce the laws of the land that he is paid to (if it was SUCH A BIG DEAL TO HIM) - then perhaps he should be considering a career change.......
Kizzy
23-09-2012, 01:54 PM
How on earth can anyone in a position of authority such as cheif whip be excused for this disrespectful behavior?
We are told to instill in our children respect for themselves and others, how then can this be reinforced when you have people like this in our government, how can this outburst be justified?
It simply shows how out of touch the 'old boys club' is if they consider that language to the police or anyone else to be acceptable.
arista
23-09-2012, 02:13 PM
He says never used Pleb.
F ing - yes
"Cabinet minister Andrew Mitchell admits swearing at police but insists he didn't call them 'plebs' "
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2207371/Cabinet-minister-Andrew-Mitchell-admits-swearing-police-insists-didnt-plebs.html#ixzz27IoyrGDC
Kizzy
23-09-2012, 02:57 PM
''He is absolutely not accusing anyone of lying.'
'He realises there may be differing versions of what was said but he is adamant he did not use the words he is reported to have used.'
Well someone is lying, and I will bet anything its not Scotland Yard's Diplomatic Protection Group SO6.
Pyramid*
23-09-2012, 02:58 PM
He says never used Pleb.
F ing - yes
"Cabinet minister Andrew Mitchell admits swearing at police but insists he didn't call them 'plebs' "
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2207371/Cabinet-minister-Andrew-Mitchell-admits-swearing-police-insists-didnt-plebs.html#ixzz27IoyrGDC
Unless the entire convo was captured (or able to be lip read by experts) - its a case of ''He said this, he said that".
Neither were in the right - but imo, the copper was the one at fault - if he's going to cause a hullabahoo: perhaps he should try doing the job he's paid to do: if he and his seniors say that the guy could have been arrested: perhaps actions would speak louder than their empty words.
Pyramid*
23-09-2012, 03:00 PM
''He is absolutely not accusing anyone of lying.'
'He realises there may be differing versions of what was said but he is adamant he did not use the words he is reported to have used.'
Well someone is lying, and I will bet anything its not Scotland Yard's Diplomatic Protection Group SO6.
Disputing what a person said, and confirming what 'you' said: is not lying: it is saying there is a difference in recollection of the actual facts. There is a difference. A person can be mistaken, they can have been unaware, they could have forgotten: none of them constitue lying - it's a difference of how each perceives/d what actually happened.
arista
23-09-2012, 03:44 PM
Soon he goes back to work
walking with his bike past the Coppers.
He has said Sorry to them.
Labour seem to spend all day on this fecking topic
he is not a Public MP
so why get spend all this time on it.
Pyramid*
23-09-2012, 03:51 PM
Soon he goes back to work
walking with his bike past the Coppers.
He has said Sorry to them.
Labour seem to spend all day on this fecking topic
he is not a Public MP
so why get spend all this time on it.
It's a pretty petty thing to be causing a stink over.....and it does say a lot for Labour if this is all they have to bang on about.
The guy apologised for saying anything out of turn: did the policeman have the decency to do the same I wonder?
Like I said earlier: much ado about nothing really.
Kizzy
23-09-2012, 06:03 PM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012/sep/23/andrew-mitchell-police-row-inquiry-calls?newsfeed=true
John Tully, the chairman of the Metropolitan police federation, said the remarks were "outrageous" and anywhere else Mitchell would have been arrested. He said Mitchell should resign.
"As a cabinet minister, it's unacceptable for someone of his standing to use such disrespectful and abusive language to a police constable, let alone anyone else," Tully said. "If the shoe was on the other foot and my officer had said those things he'd be out of a job now. It's double standards."
It's not just labour, anyone with any half a brain knows that those who are in positions of authority do not conduct themselves in such an unprofessional and reckless manner.
I wanted to know exactly what a cheif whip did, had to laugh at wikis definition...
''The role of Chief Whip is regarded as secretive, as the Whip is concerned with the discipline of their own party's Members of Parliament''
lol
arista
24-09-2012, 07:07 AM
He was just Live on SkyNewHD
outside his office
only for 2mins saying he was very sorry
and the Police at the Gate have accepted his apology
joeysteele
24-09-2012, 07:42 AM
The way I see it is that he was leaving his place of work, he clearly had gone that way many times before.
This time he was told he couldn't so he got frustrated and challenged why, when the heels werre dug in he likely did use offensive wording to the Policeman.
However, since he was not arrested and/or cautioned for the incident then the Police had nothing to report really, since without any arrest the Police left a situation whereby in their view there was no offence/crime committed.
He has then apologised to both his Boss and also the Police for his behaviour but that is not enough for some and apparantly not enough for the Police who found no reason to arrest him at all.
I don't care for the guy on seeing him but an apology for me certainly was enough in this situation and it seems odd to me that they are making such a song as to it especially in light of the fact they say, they could have but didn't arrest him.
Therein lies the facts, the Police did nothing therefore no offence was committed to answer to so why someone should lose their job in those circumstances is beyond me.
arista
24-09-2012, 07:46 AM
Yes Joey
Thats True
Not Arrested.
And BBC Radio 5 Phone in at 9AM
is still on this subject.
Kazanne
24-09-2012, 09:45 AM
They are STILL on about this today,from what I can tell it was The Sun who broke this story,are the Sun the most truthful paper ? I dont think so,anyway for those who believe tabloid fodder as fact the guy has apologised,no one has been hurt,WHY are people still banging on about this?
arista
24-09-2012, 09:49 AM
They are STILL on about this today,from what I can tell it was The Sun who broke this story,are the Sun the most truthful paper ? I dont think so,anyway for those who believe tabloid fodder as fact the guy has apologised,no one has been hurt,WHY are people still banging on about this?
Yes the Sun
hate him.
I am sure will will get another
talk direct from him on All TV and Radio news
Pleb :laugh: what a great insult
arista
24-09-2012, 09:58 AM
Pleb :laugh: what a great insult
Yes from the Roman Times.
They built our Roads
Plebs in charge.
Kizzy
24-09-2012, 11:17 AM
It is not a case of believing the tabloids this began with experienced police officers being direspected by those who run our country.
It has a deep resonation through our communities, and is damaging not only to the police but the government.
Lead by example, this has had a devastating affect on the relationship between the govenment and the police, the public and the government..
It is very far reaching, I do not believe it is something that can be swept under the carpet.
Pyramid*
24-09-2012, 11:26 AM
The way I see it is that he was leaving his place of work, he clearly had gone that way many times before.
This time he was told he couldn't so he got frustrated and challenged why, when the heels werre dug in he likely did use offensive wording to the Policeman.
However, since he was not arrested and/or cautioned for the incident then the Police had nothing to report really, since without any arrest the Police left a situation whereby in their view there was no offence/crime committed.
He has then apologised to both his Boss and also the Police for his behaviour but that is not enough for some and apparantly not enough for the Police who found no reason to arrest him at all.
I don't care for the guy on seeing him but an apology for me certainly was enough in this situation and it seems odd to me that they are making such a song as to it especially in light of the fact they say, they could have but didn't arrest him.
Therein lies the facts, the Police did nothing therefore no offence was committed to answer to so why someone should lose their job in those circumstances is beyond me.
Spot on.
It's an excuse for some to run rabid - totally and utterly blown out of proportion - two people clashed: tempers were fraught - apology given - that's it - the end.
Pyramid*
24-09-2012, 11:28 AM
Yes from the Roman Times.
They built our Roads
Plebs in charge.
Well if the copper is to be believed: the plebs are in charge of who goes in and out of the gates so I'm not sure why he was making a fuss in the first place! :joker:
the truth
24-09-2012, 11:28 AM
storm in a teacup, have you heard the way policemen behave off duty?
Pyramid*
24-09-2012, 11:30 AM
They are STILL on about this today,from what I can tell it was The Sun who broke this story,are the Sun the most truthful paper ? I dont think so,anyway for those who believe tabloid fodder as fact the guy has apologised,no one has been hurt,WHY are people still banging on about this?
Given recent admissions by the Sun.... I think we all know the answer to that.... the wouldn't know THE TRUTH if it slapped them in the face .
Pyramid*
24-09-2012, 11:32 AM
storm in a teacup, have you heard the way policemen behave off duty?
Is the same policeman still positioned there? I'd be very surprised if he was................
Kizzy
19-10-2012, 09:21 AM
Mitchell your days are numbered.... :)
arista
19-10-2012, 05:33 PM
Mitchell Resigns
Live SkyNewsHD
and BBC News
Jack_
19-10-2012, 05:35 PM
Bubbah to the ****ing Tory pleb xoxo :xyxwave:
Kizzy
19-10-2012, 05:38 PM
Whoop! Osborne fined, another expenses scandal and now this!
A great day :)
arista
19-10-2012, 05:39 PM
Yes the Pleb has Fallen on his Sword
Potty Mouth Lesson
arista
19-10-2012, 05:40 PM
More Import Issue is the Gas and Electric Bills
Kizzy.
If the PM gets one tarrif
I will be amazed.
Shaun
19-10-2012, 05:42 PM
oh good :D
Kizzy
19-10-2012, 05:48 PM
More Import Issue is the Gas and Electric Bills
Kizzy.
If the PM gets one tarrif
I will be amazed.
Me too, good news about the EU organisation to sort the banks eh?
Does anyone understand tarrifs? I was sent the British gas fix and fall thingy, it had a list of tarrifs on the back how the heck do you know which applies to you?
arista
19-10-2012, 05:50 PM
Me too, good news about the EU organisation to sort the banks eh?
Does anyone understand tarrifs? I was sent the British gas fix and fall thingy, it had a list of tarrifs on the back how the heck do you know which applies to you?
The Tarrifs are to Confuse you, sadly
Good - better late than never ..... :rolleyes:
Livia
19-10-2012, 06:24 PM
Is he good at his job? Yes. Should he have said what he did? No. Did he apologise unreservedly, and personally to the officer on the receiving end? Yes. Did the police take any action? No. Is this insult going to devastate the copper he said it to forever? Erm... no. Massive storm in a little teacup.
Yes the Pleb has Fallen on his Sword
Potty Mouth Lesson
:thumbs:
arista
19-10-2012, 11:17 PM
http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2012/10/19/199003/default/v1/i-newspaper-october-20-2-1-329x437.jpg
http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2012/10/19/199013/default/v1/financial-times-october-20-1-329x437.jpg
http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2012/10/19/199014/default/v1/guardian-october-20-1-329x437.jpg
http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2012/10/19/199018/default/v1/the-sun-october-20-1-329x437.jpg
Nedusa
20-10-2012, 07:29 AM
This is a total storm in a *******ing teacup, so a Minister had a bad day in the office and took it out on policeman who wouldn't open the gate to let him through with his bike. So a few angry words may have been exchanged , he may have even used the P word.
So what...!!!! Nobody cares it's a minor matter between two adults NOT an International news event tying up half the worlds media when there are other more important news stories not being covered or disclosed to the Public.
What is it with our Society with these political non stories, I mean should a Man an M.P a Minister a man who clearly has something to offer , resign from his post because he called a policeman a pleb ??? Seriously c'mon folks our society is going down the toilet and we are devoting precious time energy and resources on this nonsense..!!!
Seems like I got this wrong, thought common sense would prevail and this would blow over after the apologies. But now it looks like the Minister in question has resigned over this. He was almost certainly pushed and I wonder what was used as leverage in this case. Perhaps he was promised a way back in after the next re-shuffle. Still think its odd that he actually resigned over this.
billy123
20-10-2012, 07:33 AM
Seems like I got this wrong, thought common sense would prevail and this would blow over after the apologies. But now it looks like the Minister in question has resigned over this. He was almost certainly pushed and I wonder what was used as leverage in this case. Perhaps he was promised a way back in after the next re-shuffle. Still think its odd that he actually resigned over this.Its the fact he lied about it that killed him if he had been honest and apoligised he would have been fine but thats not natural to a tory.
arista
20-10-2012, 07:39 AM
The Point is
he could not do his Job proper.
His respect was lost.
joeysteele
20-10-2012, 08:02 AM
He did David Cameron no favours by staying on so long. It still remains though that he clearly did nothing that resulted in his arrest for anything he said. So for me it is unfair someone loses their status in such a scenario.
Maybe had he said he did use the word, it might have gone away,as it is you have him in effect saying the Police are lying as to the words used and they in effect saying he is too.
Nedusa
20-10-2012, 08:13 AM
He did David Cameron no favours by staying on so long. It still remains though that he clearly did nothing that resulted in his arrest for anything he said. So for me it is unfair someone loses their status in such a scenario.
Maybe had he said he did use the word, it might have gone away,as it is you have him in effect saying the Police are lying as to the words used and they in effect saying he is too.
I don't suppose Mr Mitchell will ever admit to using the dreaded "P" word , I mean its up there with the "N" word and the "C" word.
Kizzy
20-10-2012, 08:19 AM
Is he good at his job? Yes. Should he have said what he did? No. Did he apologise unreservedly, and personally to the officer on the receiving end? Yes. Did the police take any action? No. Is this insult going to devastate the copper he said it to forever? Erm... no. Massive storm in a little teacup.
Is he good at his job? No, not if he can't conduct himself correctly.
Should he have done what he did? No.
Did he apologize? Yes, did he admit responsibility for the things he said? No.
Is this issue important? Yes, it damaged the image of the conservative party further and soured relations between the government and the police federation.
How the public view those in positions of power, responsibility and trust is important.
what a disgusting nation we've become, when a man has to resign from his job just for having an opinion.
Kazanne
20-10-2012, 09:50 AM
Some of the police ARE plebs,and from what I have read ,he said he didn't call them that,so do we believe the police or him,obviously if you dont like the Tories you will believe the police,but some of them are as corrupt as some of the ministers,you'de think they would have something better to do than pursue him for that,lol,what a silly thing to lose your job over.
Kizzy
20-10-2012, 09:52 AM
what a disgusting nation we've become, when a man has to resign from his job just for having an opinion.
What opinion did he have?
And how can the nation be blamed for his resignation? haha!
what a disgusting nation we've become, when a man has to resign from his job just for having an opinion.
What's your opinion of your boss?
If it's derogatory, tell him/her and see how long you keep your job "for having an opinion"
:joker:
Some of the police ARE plebs,and from what I have read ,he said he didn't call them that,so do we believe the police or him,obviously if you dont like the Tories you will believe the police,but some of them are as corrupt as some of the ministers,you'de think they would have something better to do than pursue him for that,lol,what a silly thing to lose your job over.
you called them plebs. you gonna resign from your job?
What opinion did he have?
And how can the nation be blamed for his resignation? haha!
if you didn't know his a opinion was that police are plebs, is that a crime?
What's your opinion of your boss?
If it's derogatory, tell him/her and see how long you keep your job "for having an opinion"
:joker:
i tell him everyday what a prick he is, then we go for a pint together
Pyramid*
20-10-2012, 10:10 AM
Some of the police ARE plebs,and from what I have read ,he said he didn't call them that,so do we believe the police or him,obviously if you dont like the Tories you will believe the police,but some of them are as corrupt as some of the ministers,you'de think they would have something better to do than pursue him for that,lol,what a silly thing to lose your job over.
It's incredibly disturbing that we live in a society whereby a policeman initially kicking up a fuss over a heated exchange of words, can result in someone losing their job through an alleged insult and the frenzy caused by this resignation means people are out celebrating & rejoicing- yet a policeman who tasers a blind man is not subject to the same amount of witch hunt and treatment.
What a bizarre place the UK is.
Kizzy
20-10-2012, 10:18 AM
Some of the police ARE plebs,and from what I have read ,he said he didn't call them that,so do we believe the police or him,obviously if you dont like the Tories you will believe the police,but some of them are as corrupt as some of the ministers,you'de think they would have something better to do than pursue him for that,lol,what a silly thing to lose your job over.
Obviously if you don't like the tories you will believe the police?..
Why is this then, I would like to believe whoever is telling the truth but we only have one account to put up for examination as Mr Mitchell is unwilling to admit what he said.
Should that make him guilty by default, what other option do we have...sweep it under the carpet?
No, it is important that as a representative of the UK government he is held accountable.
I would love everyone who suggests the police are plebs to do their job for a week..
This type pf comment proves the danger behind this attitude, the public viewing the police as incompetent jobsworths, undermining the progress made between communities and the police over several years.
Kizzy
20-10-2012, 10:20 AM
if you didn't know his a opinion was that police are plebs, is that a crime?
I suggest we test the theory..
You walk up to a police officer and call him a pleb, see what happens.
I suggest you test your theory..
Walk up to a police officer and call him a pleb, see what happens.
i cant imagine much would happen, they would probably laugh about it, i know for a fact i wouldn't have to resign from my job.
Kizzy
20-10-2012, 10:26 AM
i cant imagine much would happen, they would probably laugh about it, i know for a fact i wouldn't have to resign from my job.
Yep, i'm sure they would have a right old giggle at that :)
Pyramid*
20-10-2012, 10:28 AM
Obviously if you don't like the tories you will believe the police?..
Why is this then, I would like to believe whoever is telling the truth but we only have one account to put up for examination as Mr Mitchell is unwilling to admit what he said.
Should that make him guilty by default, what other option do we have...sweep it under the carpet?
No, it is important that as a representative of the UK government he is held accountable.
I would love everyone who suggests the police are plebs to do their job for a week..
This type pf comment proves the danger behind this attitude, the public viewing the police as incompetent jobsworths, undermining the progress made between communities and the police over several years.
Hillsborough.
Blind man tasered.
2 very recent examples in the press showing just how incompetent the police are (and if you take the JSaville situ into it, you can add all of those police who were involved into that mix).
The very same can be said of many: including Mr Mitchell but I've yet to have it confirmed where his incompetency lies?
As for him having to be held accountable. He was. He admitted it, he apologised, policeman accepted apology - and no doubt he also received a dressing down from the PM - that's what's called accountability. That should have been the end of it.
Wanting someone to lose their job & rejoicing over it, for having a heated exchange of words, with absolutly no proof of him calling the copper a pleb - is beyond any rationale - imo of course.
Obviously if you don't like the tories you will believe the police?..
Why is this then, I would like to believe whoever is telling the truth but we only have one account to put up for examination as Mr Mitchell is unwilling to admit what he said.
Should that make him guilty by default, what other option do we have...sweep it under the carpet?
No, it is important that as a representative of the UK government he is held accountable.
I would love everyone who suggests the police are plebs to do their job for a week..
This type pf comment proves the danger behind this attitude, the public viewing the police as incompetent jobsworths, undermining the progress made between communities and the police over several years.
guilty of what? calling someone a pleb, get over yourself, there's people in this country that dont know where their next penny's coming from and your condemming a man for calling someone a pleb.
Kizzy
20-10-2012, 10:32 AM
It's incredibly disturbing that we live in a society whereby a policeman initially kicking up a fuss over a heated exchange of words, can result in someone losing their job through an alleged insult and the frenzy caused by this resignation means people are out celebrating & rejoicing- yet a policeman who tasers a blind man is not subject to the same amount of witch hunt and treatment.
What a bizarre place the UK is.
Ey up pyra! All he had to do was tell the truth... it's not hard most do it all the time.
That woild put an end to all the supposition, too late now though eh?
Kizzy
20-10-2012, 10:40 AM
guilty of what? calling someone a pleb, get over yourself, there's people in this country that dont know where their next penny's coming from and your condemming a man for calling someone a pleb.
Get over myself...Hey I didn't ask him to resign did I? haha
Kizzy
20-10-2012, 10:45 AM
Hillsborough.
Blind man tasered.
2 very recent examples in the press showing just how incompetent the police are (and if you take the JSaville situ into it, you can add all of those police who were involved into that mix).
The very same can be said of many: including Mr Mitchell but I've yet to have it confirmed where his incompetency lies?
As for him having to be held accountable. He was. He admitted it, he apologised, policeman accepted apology - and no doubt he also received a dressing down from the PM - that's what's called accountability. That should have been the end of it.
Wanting someone to lose their job & rejoicing over it, for having a heated exchange of words, with absolutly no proof of him calling the copper a pleb - is beyond any rationale - imo of course.
Are we just throwing any unrelated issue into the mix now?
Shall I start googling tory scandals and cover-ups?
The supergun affair....The sinking of the Belgrano?....
Pyramid*
20-10-2012, 10:48 AM
Ey up pyra! All he had to do was tell the truth... it's not hard most do it all the time.
That woild put an end to all the supposition, too late now though eh?
Ey up Kiz!
Thing is: you hit the nail on the head: it was supposition. He claims he was telling the truth by saying he did not call him a pleb, the copper says he did.
Very childish game of ''He said/she said" over something that has never been proven.
Pyramid*
20-10-2012, 10:50 AM
Are we just throwing any unrelated issue into the mix now?
Shall I start googling tory scandals and cover-ups?
The supergun affair....The sinking of the Belgrano?....
It's called offereing comparisons - and it's relevant given your overall consensus of the 'attitude' to the police in general - as per the post I quoted you on earlier.
I'm happy to have offered comparisions that have shown how inept the police can be that have been spotlighted in recent weeks.
What can you show to back up your claim that Mr Mitchell was inept at this job?
Kizzy
20-10-2012, 11:22 AM
It's called offereing comparisons - and it's relevant given your overall consensus of the 'attitude' to the police in general - as per the post I quoted you on earlier.
I'm happy to have offered comparisions that have shown how inept the police can be that have been spotlighted in recent weeks.
What can you show to back up your claim that Mr Mitchell was inept at this job?
This whole issue is an example of his ineptitude, the role of chief whip is to ensure standards are maintained. That MP's behave in a manner fitting of their status and conduct themselves in public with dignity. Making sure they don't compromise themselves by receiving negative press that brings both them and their party into disrepute...
Nevermind the 'yes but what about' I am discussing this issue on this thread as it is the topic offered by the OP.
If we start flying off on a tangent where will it end?....
Pyramid*
20-10-2012, 11:33 AM
This whole issue is an example of his ineptitude, the role of chief whip is to ensure standards are maintained. That MP's behave in a manner fitting of their status and conduct themselves in public with dignity. Making sure they don't compromise themselves andrecieve negative press that brings themselves and their party into disrepute...
Nevermind the 'yes but what about' I am discussing this issue on this thread as it is the topic offered by the OP.
If we start flying off on a tangent where will it end?....
You brought into play the generalisation of the attitudes overall towards the police - I addressed what you brought into the discussion yourself.
What was an example of his ineptitude of his working role? That he was human, had a slight altercation with an equally feisty and equally vocal policeman? I'd regard that as him being human rather than some robot.
Kizzy
20-10-2012, 12:31 PM
You brought into play the generalisation of the attitudes overall towards the police - I addressed what you brought into the discussion yourself.
What was an example of his ineptitude of his working role? That he was human, had a slight altercation with an equally feisty and equally vocal policeman? I'd regard that as him being human rather than some robot.
I commented on how this impacts on public perception of the police, nothing else.
Equally feisty and vocal police officer? He was doing his job, following procedures.
If Mr Mitchell had allowed him to do this and kept a civil tongue in his head he would not be clearing out his desk would he?
What are you trying to say pyra... we are all human but some are more human than others?
Pyramid*
20-10-2012, 12:43 PM
I commented on how this impacts on public perception of the police, nothing else.
Equally feisty and vocal police officer? He was doing his job, following procedures.
If Mr Mitchell had allowed him to do this and kept a civil tongue in his head he would not be clearing out his desk would he?
What are you trying to say pyra... we are all human but some are more human than others?
Since when was it a police officer's duty to threaten a member of the public with "I'll have your job for this". They are there to protect - not threaten them on a personal level. Yes, that's an extreme version of 'threatening' but it was still a threat nontheless. Since when was that police procedures?
What are you trying to say pyra... we are all human but some are more human than others?
That's precisely what I am saying.
if you don't believe that: you only have to look at some of the unbelievable horrors and levels of abuse of all nature: that some 'humans' inflict on others.
Both of these persons hurtled some form of verbal abuse to each other: why is one commended for his action, when the other subject to even more abuse? One rule for one person working for the good of the public, being paid for out of the public coffers: and one rule for another person working for the good of the public, being paid for out of the public coffers.
Kizzy
20-10-2012, 12:56 PM
Is there any evidence to support this alleged retort to Mr Mitchells rant?
It seems that the officer even in his shock and embarrassment following the outburst knew that this was not the way in which such a high level public servant should behave?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20751703
A police constable with the diplomatic protection group has been arrested on suspicion of misconduct in a public office, Met Police say.
The officer was arrested late on Saturday and bailed on Sunday to return in January. He has been suspended.
The arrest was made by officers investigating how national newspapers came to publish police records of an incident at Downing Street.
It involved the then chief whip allegedly calling officers "plebs".
In September Andrew Mitchell apparently made the comments and swore when police asked him to use the pedestrian gate, rather than the main gate, to leave Downing Street.
Mr Mitchell apologised for not having shown enough respect to the police but maintained that he "did not use the words attributed to me". However, he quit the government over the affair a few weeks later.
On Monday, Mr Mitchell told the BBC: "I reiterate once again that the contents of the alleged police logbook are false."
The official police log of the confrontation between the chief whip and officers was published by the Daily Telegraph and the Sun.
On Sunday, the Met said the arrested officer was not on duty during the incident, and investigations have found no evidence to suggest those on duty on the day were involved in the unauthorised release of information.
The arrest will be formally referred to the Independent Police Complaints Commission on Monday, the Met Police said.
So ..... it wasn't the official police log, the contents are false and the arrested officer had nothing to do with the incident ..... :conf:
arista
18-12-2012, 09:01 AM
Yes now its a real police stink
as that officer who said he was watching the MP Plebbing etc
was no place near that.
This is about Police Unions
Nedusa
18-12-2012, 12:38 PM
Is this an attempt by the political elites to cause confusion and suspicion re the testimony of the Police officers so that Andrew Mitchell's testimony gains more credence. Is this trying to sow more doubt on the side of the police and in turn boost the credibility of the MP. It could be that at some point a cabinet reshuffle will allow Mr Mitchell to return to front bench politics with his name not entirely besmirched.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-20766497
The Met police commissioner has warned against jumping to conclusions after a police officer was arrested on suspicion of leaking details of the Andrew Mitchell case to a newspaper.
"There is more to this than meets the eye," Bernard Hogan-Howe told the BBC.
Met Police Federation chairman John Tully has suggested the arrest may have been disproportionate.
But Mr Hogan-Howe said: "When people hear the full story they will support what we've done."
Mr Hogan-Howe said: "There's some difficulty in me talking about it, there's an on-going criminal investigation, and also it's now supervised by the Independent Police Complaints Commission.
"I also hope people will understand that there is more to this than meets the eye, and I'm afraid I'm constrained in explaining that, but when people hear the full story they will support what we've done.
"As usual in any investigation, you have to go where the evidence takes you, and we got some new information - we acted on it quickly."
Mr Tully had told the Daily Telegraph: "The thing which disappointed me is around the proportionality of whether it was necessary to arrest the individual. After all, he is a serving police officer.
"Clearly it needs to be resolved, because there are things that we shouldn't talk about as police officers, and this may be one of those cases."
There seem to be at least FOUR sides to this story ..... :rolleyes:
Kizzy
19-12-2012, 02:43 AM
Yes now its a real police stink
as that officer who said he was watching the MP Plebbing etc
was no place near that.
This is about Police Unions
The police don't have a union...
arista
19-12-2012, 07:57 AM
The police don't have a union...
They Do
but call it other names.
Did he say Pleb?
or is this Police Falsehood
Also now we have see the Footage
on Ch4News, there was no public watching it.
This Stinks
joeysteele
19-12-2012, 08:57 AM
So an MP, no matter how liked or disliked he may have been, has had to lose the position he so far attained in his political career because of confusion as to the reporting of the incident and what now seems some very unconvincing account relating to it too.
It would seem the Police have a lot of answers to look for on this one,I guess now the best Mr Mitchell can hope for is an apology from them too.
To a lot of people this incident seems like a storm in a teacup,but at its heart is the issue of integrity and even on the Police side, there seems on the face of this new cctv footage,that a great deal of invention as to what really happened has taken place.
That is worrying.
Kazanne
19-12-2012, 09:01 AM
Is this an attempt by the political elites to cause confusion and suspicion re the testimony of the Police officers so that Andrew Mitchell's testimony gains more credence. Is this trying to sow more doubt on the side of the police and in turn boost the credibility of the MP. It could be that at some point a cabinet reshuffle will allow Mr Mitchell to return to front bench politics with his name not entirely besmirched.
maybe it's just the police closing ranks and stitching someone up,they aren't ALL lily white.
http://www.channel4.com/news/andrew-mitchell-plebgate-police-cctv-downing-street
Seems to back up Mitchell's story and damn certain police officers ..... :idc:
But why has it taken so long to surface ...... :conf:
the truth
19-12-2012, 09:56 AM
the policeman lied and his account was false yet it was used as evidence against the mp. surely thats plain and simple corruption by every copper involved. if thats the case, heads should roll.
Kizzy
19-12-2012, 12:40 PM
They Do
but call it other names.
Did he say Pleb?
or is this Police Falsehood
Also now we have see the Footage
on Ch4News, there was no public watching it.
This Stinks
No arista they don't.
This changes nothing as to the original exchange between Mitchell and the officers at the scene.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-20795489
A 23-year-old man has been arrested in connection with the Andrew Mitchell "plebgate" investigation, Scotland Yard has said.
The man, who is not a member of police staff, has been released on bail.
The man was arrested at around 2000 GMT on Wednesday "on suspicion of intentionally encouraging or assisting the commission of an indictable offence on or around" last Friday.
Curiouser and curiouser ..... :idc:
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