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the truth
27-09-2012, 07:51 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcdpMxkyk38
what did you make of the interview....yankee dave did his gee golly gosh naive home boy sctick.....posh dave did his polished brit sctick bigging up the UK
your thoughts?
Marcus.
27-09-2012, 07:52 PM
david cameron oh dear
GypsyGoth
27-09-2012, 08:14 PM
I liked the start of it, but it felt a bit like a quiz, and then I got a bit bored.
Kazanne
27-09-2012, 08:20 PM
I like David Cameron and think he did ok,
GypsyGoth
27-09-2012, 08:22 PM
I like David Cameron and think he did ok,
I did think he came across really well and likeable.
Livia
27-09-2012, 08:38 PM
I think he did exactly what he set out to do. I can see his staff with their heads in their hands over the Magna Carta thing, but apart from that I think he held his own. Even slipped in the fact that we burnt down their White House before we left and surprisingly got a round of applause for it. Perhaps they had a lot of Canadians in.
the truth
27-09-2012, 08:41 PM
I think he did exactly what he set out to do. I can see his staff with their heads in their hands over the Magna Carta thing, but apart from that I think he held his own. Even slipped in the fact that we burnt down their White House before we left and surprisingly got a round of applause for it. Perhaps they had a lot of Canadians in.
No new yorkers are fantastically warm humourous audience.
Livia
27-09-2012, 08:42 PM
I was joking.
the truth
27-09-2012, 08:48 PM
I was joking.
yeah by insulting the americans again, its just so predictable , so 1980's, try something more original , insult the aristocracy for a change, besides dave lettermans audiences are fantastic and the big apple is a legendary place!
arista
27-09-2012, 08:56 PM
Thanks for posting
the Full Version.
I think David Cameron did very well.
Boris on Letterman did well also.
the truth
27-09-2012, 08:59 PM
Thanks for posting
the Full Version.
I think David Cameron did very well.
Boris on Letterman did well also.
agreed, call me dave came across quite well, he was relaxed, prime ministerial, yet humourous and the fact he didnt know everything actually made him appeal more to the audicences..... boris was pretty funny on there too, at one point managing to call brits fat, but yanks a bit fatter, a quick toussling of his hair and the crowd soon forgave him:blush:
Kazanne
27-09-2012, 09:02 PM
yeah by insulting the americans again, its just so predictable , so 1980's, try something more original , insult the aristocracy for a change, besides dave lettermans audiences are fantastic and the big apple is a legendary place!
How has Livia insulted the Americans it was clearly a joke,I have been to a Dave letterman show and not ALL of his audiences are fantastic and NY is my fave place on earth but it isn't without flaws,but I dont recall Livia saying anything about it anyway.
Scarlett.
27-09-2012, 09:04 PM
He came across well, I think he's a bit of a prat sometimes, but it does the country good when he promotes us
Livia
27-09-2012, 09:04 PM
yeah by insulting the americans again, its just so predictable , so 1980's, try something more original , insult the aristocracy for a change, besides dave lettermans audiences are fantastic and the big apple is a legendary place!
Actually, I really like Americans and have lots of American friends. What's more, apart from many visits to New York, I have lived and worked there. And Chicago. And Denver with a short spell in Washington DC. so you're way off with your latest set of insults. And for your information, Letterman's audiences are made up of a large amount of tourists from all over the US and further. I've been to one of his shows. You can sign up for tickets just off Time Square... in case your interested.
Livia
27-09-2012, 09:05 PM
How has Livia insulted the Americans it was clearly a joke,I have been to a Dave letterman show and not ALL of his audiences are fantastic and NY is my fave place on earth but it isn't without flaws,but I dont recall Livia saying anything about it anyway.
LOL... all the best people.
Kazanne
27-09-2012, 09:10 PM
LOL... all the best people.
:joker: Snap Livia,I also lived there for a while,my brother still does,love the place,I went to a few of those chat shows,lol remember Ricky Lake and Montel?we nearly got thrown out of the RL show for giggling!!! well we were very young and silly then:hugesmile:
Livia
27-09-2012, 09:17 PM
:joker: Snap Livia,I also lived there for a while,my brother still does,love the place,I went to a few of those chat shows,lol remember Ricky Lake and Montel?we nearly got thrown out of the RL show for giggling!!! well we were very young and silly then:hugesmile:
I remember you saying your Brother lives there. I remember Ricky Lake, but only from telly, I never went to the show or anything. I was just wandering up Broadway one day and a girl with a clipboard asked if I wanted to register for tickets for Letterman. I thought, why not...? They called me about an hour later to say I had a ticket. The way things go, it wouldn't surprise me if it turned out we were at the same show LOL...
the truth
27-09-2012, 09:24 PM
How has Livia insulted the Americans it was clearly a joke,I have been to a Dave letterman show and not ALL of his audiences are fantastic and NY is my fave place on earth but it isn't without flaws,but I dont recall Livia saying anything about it anyway.
it wasnt a major issue, but it was yet another predictable rehashed anti american joke, the usual one we brits trot out every time we spew about the americans. theyre thick , they dont get irony like us sophisticated brits, they had to get canadians in the understand the humour etc if it was a one off joke id let it pass, its the same joke all day every day from the vast majority of brits on tv. we seriously need to change the narrative... we brits seem to spew this predictable drivel every time an american is in the building. it was funny in 1980 , it aint funny no more..its boring, its predictable, its embarassing and it comes across as mean spirited...
meanwhile the americans have continued to produce endless legendary comics, comic actors, long running classic comedies and virtually all the best comic movies. sorry but its true. meanwhile we claim to own irony,.....taking the p*ss is ok up to a point but sometimes it comes across as mean and nasty. americans like dave letterman last so long because , not only because hes funny, very quick witted and likeable, but also because the joke is often on himself. letterman is great, conan is great, carson was great, dick cavett was great and leno is always very good. we should realise the americans are top in this field with a bit of humility look at what we could learn from them
It was quite a good interview actually but an easy one for him, he wasn't really challenged on anything difficult or uncomfortable but I guess Letterman's more of an entertainment show than a politics one. Can't imagine Ed coming across as well either tbh
I like how pleased he looks with himself at about 16 minutes when the audience give him a big clap after what he said about TV advertising too :laugh:
Kazanne
27-09-2012, 09:31 PM
it was yet another predictable rehashed anti american joke, the usual one we brits trot out every time we spwe about the americans. theyre thick , they dont get irony like us sophisticated brits, they had to get canadians in the understand the humour etc if it was a one off joke id let it pass, its the same joke all day every day from the vats majority of brits on tv. we seriously need to change the narrative.. we brits seem to spew this predictable drivel every time an american is in the building. it was funny in 1980 , it aint funny no more..its boring, its predictable, its embarassing and it comes across as mean spirited
Oh the truth ,lighten up,I'm sure they have had many a laugh at OUR expense,a cup of char is what you need:hugesmile:and tbf,they DO have a different sense of humour than us,I remember Billy Connoly saying he died a death there when he first went over there and I always thought he was hilarious.
Scarlett.
27-09-2012, 09:32 PM
it was yet another predictable rehashed anti american joke, the usual one we brits trot out every time we spwe about the americans. theyre thick , they dont get irony like us sophisticated brits, they had to get canadians in the understand the humour etc if it was a one off joke id let it pass, its the same joke all day every day from the vats majority of brits on tv. we seriously need to change the narrative.. we brits seem to spew this predictable drivel every time an american is in the building. it was funny in 1980 , it aint funny no more..its boring, its predictable, its embarassing and it comes across as mean spirited
You know what thats called? A friendly rivalry. We take the piss out of Americans and burgers ect. they take the piss out of our tea and teeth. I really wouldnt dig into what you see us British people say to Americans on the internet.
If you need to compare the friendly rivalry to other countries?
France = Frogs legs and snails
Spain = Cheap booze and bulls
the truth
27-09-2012, 09:34 PM
It was quite a good interview actually but an easy one for him, he wasn't really challenged on anything difficult or uncomfortable but I guess Letterman's more of an entertainment show than a politics one. Can't imagine Ed coming across as well either tbh
I like how pleased he looks with himself at about 16 minutes when the audience give him a big clap after what he said about TV advertising too :laugh:
th\at was great fair play, when he was on about hes only got 150 grand to spend on his election and hes never uttered the words, i authorised this advert, that was class by dave:joker:
the truth
27-09-2012, 09:38 PM
Oh the truth ,lighten up,I'm sure they have had many a laugh at OUR expense,a cup of char is what you need:hugesmile:and tbf,they DO have a different sense of humour than us,I remember Billy Connoly saying he died a death there when he first went over there and I always thought he was hilarious.
im light but thanks for caring:wavey: yeah u can take one snatch line from billy to try and make out americans dont get comedy, but its BS, but guess what, hes lived there for decades and loves it and they love him. he soon became beloved, he married an aussie . american, hes sold out across new york and beyond, they loved him, hes also starred in umpteen american shows and many movies too...look at anthony hopkins, they made the great man mayor of his town....the yanks are mostly very welcoming to us brits. on the whole , from those ive met too i think theyre great warm fun friendly people , especially new yorkers, what a magical town:blush:
Livia
27-09-2012, 09:39 PM
it wasnt a major issue, but it was yet another predictable rehashed anti american joke etc. etc. etc......
I can assure you that the USA has, per head of capita, about an equal number of idiots to the number we have in Britain. Travelling has taught me that people are pretty much the same wherever you go, good and bad in equal measure.
the truth
27-09-2012, 09:40 PM
You know what thats called? A friendly rivalry. We take the piss out of Americans and burgers ect. they take the piss out of our tea and teeth. I really wouldnt dig into what you see us British people say to Americans on the internet.
If you need to compare the friendly rivalry to other countries?
France = Frogs legs and snails
Spain = Cheap booze and bulls
really? so why did brits get so offended when jerry seinfeld took the p*ss out of the royal wedding? and they did.the tv presenters and journalists went berserk. we can laugh at ourselves but were not willing for yanks to do it.
funny is only funny if 1) theres a ring of truth to it 2) theres a ring of warmth to it. if theres neither , then its not funny its mean
the truth
27-09-2012, 09:45 PM
I can assure you that the USA has, per head of capita, about an equal number of idiots to the number we have in Britain. Travelling has taught me that people are pretty much the same wherever you go, good and bad in equal measure.
I dont entirely with that last sentence. Its sounds a bit like blairism liberalism. Everyone is different everywhere you go. Though we have more in common than we have uncommon. Every one place is different, every environment is different, hence each place produces different opportunities and therefore changes the people. I do think economic factors do point to a correlation in unemployment, social problems, economic vitality, etc but america as a whole has long been a more dynamic environment than most places, hence the people themselves are often more dynamic.
so sadly as much as Id like to agree with you, alas I can only partly agree.
Scarlett.
27-09-2012, 09:46 PM
really? so why did brits get so offended when jerry seinfeld took the p*ss out of the royal wedding? and they did.the tv presenters and journalists went berserk. we can laugh at ourselves but were not willing for yanks to do it.
funny is only funny if 1) theres a ring of truth to it 2) theres a ring of warmth to it. if theres neither , then its not funny its mean
Who the hell got offended by that? Hardly anyone in the UK cares that much about the Royal family. The Daily Fail and The Sun probably kicked up a fuss, but thats about it.
joeysteele
27-09-2012, 09:50 PM
Not his finest moment but I actually like David Cameron. At least he didn't come over the way Tony Blair did when he was on.
Not sure overall it was wise to go on the show at all but it's done now and I'd say he did okay.Could have done a great deal worse.
Kazanne
27-09-2012, 09:52 PM
im light but thanks for caring:wavey: yeah u can take one snatch line from billy to try and make out americans dont get comedy, but its BS, but guess what, hes lived there for decades and loves it and they love him. he soon became beloved, he married an aussie . american, hes sold out across new york and beyond, they loved him, hes also starred in umpteen american shows and many movies too...look at anthony hopkins, they made the great man mayor of his town....the yanks are mostly very welcoming to us brits. on the whole , from those ive met too i think theyre great warm fun friendly people , especially new yorkers, what a magical town:blush:
I KNOW all this the truth,I have ties to the US,who said they weren't welcoming?i just think you have taken it way out of context,the Brits are very welcoming too infact maybe a bit too welcoming:hugesmile:
the truth
27-09-2012, 09:53 PM
Who the hell got offended by that? Hardly anyone in the UK cares that much about the Royal family. The Daily Fail and The Sun probably kicked up a fuss, but thats about it.
adrian chiles and his co presenter, phillip schofield and holly, loose women, several radio presenters, getting very hot under the collar. it was quite embarassing to see this little englander mentality. for some reason it come sout more when the yanks dare take the p*ss out of us, yet we are allowed to insult them every time we open our ironic gobs
Scarlett.
27-09-2012, 09:56 PM
adrian chiles and his co presenter, phillip schofield and holly, loose women, several radio presenters, getting very hot under the collar. it was quite embarassing to see this little englander mentality. for some reason it come sout more when the yanks dare take the p*ss out of us, yet we are allowed to insult them every time we open our ironic gobs
So in other words, the media? They hardly represent the British public, 9/10 people I know could give a toss about the Royal family, never mind daytime TV trash presenters (Love Schofield and Hollobooby though)
the truth
27-09-2012, 11:02 PM
So in other words, the media? They hardly represent the British public, 9/10 people I know could give a toss about the Royal family, never mind daytime TV trash presenters (Love Schofield and Hollobooby though)
yes media mainly , take these endless shows and their celebrity guests, on radio, in papers too... i didnt hear one single british person laugh about it or actually agree that seinfeld had a point. any monarchy talk bores me to death, theyre a joke who represent nothing but a long history of rape and pillage...as for british humour, i dont think we are remotely as laisse faire and laid about laughing about ourselves as we claim we are. we get very aggressive when other nations mock us.
Scarlett.
27-09-2012, 11:21 PM
yes media mainly , take these endless shows and their celebrity guests, on radio, in papers too... i didnt hear one single british person laugh about it or actually agree that seinfeld had a point. any monarchy talk bores me to death, theyre a joke who represent nothing but a long history of rape and pillage...as for british humour, i dont think we are remotely as laisse faire and laid about laughing about ourselves as we claim we are. we get very aggressive when other nations mock us.
Because at the end of the day, no one
A) Knew
B) Give two ****s
There is much more important stuff going on other than what Seinfield said, people most likely heard about it but didn't care enough to remember because it was such a non event.
Mystic Mock
27-09-2012, 11:24 PM
David Cameron just makes me angry everytime I see his face, a useless Prime Minister that im looking forward to see losing the next election.
joeysteele
28-09-2012, 10:52 AM
David Cameron just makes me angry everytime I see his face, a useless Prime Minister that im looking forward to see losing the next election.
I feel sure you will get your wish,he will be a one term PM for sure for me Mockinator.
I find that sad in a way too because I do believe he has genuinely fought to present a better image of the Conservative party after their 13 years in opposition and I also think he is by far the best of the 3 main party leaders.
Sadly for me however some of his policies have left me really disappointed due to the lack of compassion.
He is however a decent guy in my view and I hoped to see more penetrating questions from Letterman during his time on the show to him actually.
I still think from what I saw that he came across rather well from the show though.
He didn't win the last election outright, so in my view anyway, he hasn't an earthly chance of any overall majority in the next one for certain.
the truth
28-09-2012, 11:26 AM
Because at the end of the day, no one
A) Knew
B) Give two ****s
There is much more important stuff going on other than what Seinfield said, people most likely heard about it but didn't care enough to remember because it was such a non event.
it was headline news in every paper, it ran for days on tv shows and radio shows, not one person seemed to find it funny, everyone said the americans were being rude and jealous. were a bunch of hypocrites who cant take a joke unless we are the ones making the joke
no one steretypes people more than the english do. especially on tv media and when out in big drinking groups abroad, its embarassing. they see germans they chant rule britanna and anti german songs, they see the irish and they mock their history, the welsh get the sheep boyo comments 24/7, the yanks are all treated as if theyre arrogant and dumb, when in fact the majority are far more polite, open minded and friendly than we are, then God help the french, the aussies and the scots. other european nationalities actually sit around singing and really getting to know each other. the english groups rarely seem to get past the stereotypes.
ive noticed bbc shows far too often play to the english audience. instead of making the show bigger and broader. take a travel show, do we always need to know all the details of how we colonised each individual nation? do these presenters realise these countries existed for thousands of years before we took them over for a mere few years?
little englanders is an embarassment
Kazanne
28-09-2012, 11:35 AM
David Cameron just makes me angry everytime I see his face, a useless Prime Minister that im looking forward to see losing the next election.
He will lose Mocky,then we can all look forward to drowning in debt.
the truth
28-09-2012, 11:39 AM
I feel sure you will get your wish,he will be a one term PM for sure for me Mockinator.
I find that sad in a way too because I do believe he has genuinely fought to present a better image of the Conservative party after their 13 years in opposition and I also think he is by far the best of the 3 main party leaders.
Sadly for me however some of his policies have left me really disappointed due to the lack of compassion.
He is however a decent guy in my view and I hoped to see more penetrating questions from Letterman during his time on the show to him actually.
I still think from what I saw that he came across rather well from the show though.
He didn't win the last election outright, so in my view anyway, he hasn't an earthly chance of any overall majority in the next one for certain.
lets face it, labour were a total disaster, the last 10 years.
its hard to judge the tories yet. but osbourne doesnt look up to the job, the man clearly lacks character. cameron comes across better. hes smooth and inoffensive. but again he clearly lacks depth of character. we brits need to start voting on character and not just exam results. character tells you how much empathy, honesty, decency, compassion a person has, as well as ambition, vision, communication skills etc
we brits over intellectualize the wrong things. we need to discuss what kind of nation we need, also we have to prioritize what is most important
we havent had an honest conversation for years. labour made so many stupid laws, a mere conversation with opinions has become alm0st impossible , as its a legal and moral minefield in terms of what you are allowed to actually say. people are too scared now to even discuss subjects.
the tories had to win or the country would have gone bankrupt. i want to see cameron hammer the useless corrupt wasteful councils first. theyd be top of my list. he also needs to expose the failing burocrats in each department, to scale back to infinite stealth taxes hurting the working man. these petty often corrupt burocrats are ruining our country
they need to rebalance the economy the way obama is doing, but it wont happen with osbourne, he hasnt got the depth of character to even want to rebuild the economy. but it must happen, all our eggs in the financial services is another disaster waiting to happen
please note UK debts are the 2nd highest in the world
in total we owe $8.9 trillion
the truth
28-09-2012, 11:54 AM
He will lose Mocky,then we can all look forward to a drowning in debt.
he cant lose to milliband , harriot harman and co. the country would die on its ass...but dave should do more to stimulate growth , he also needs to get rid of over a million useless civil servant burocrats
Kazanne
28-09-2012, 12:06 PM
I think people will vote for Labour as they will give them what they want(or so they think)while they enjoy all the hand outs ,behind the scenes the country will be plunged into debt again,only for them to escape the blame as the Tories will be voted in again to mop up the mess and deal with the hate and so it goes round,You have to be cruel to be kind and it's about time people stopped wanting something for nowt.
the truth
28-09-2012, 12:13 PM
I think people will vote for Labour as they will give them what they want(or so they think)while they enjoy all the hand outs ,behind the scenes the country will be plunged into debt again,only for them to escape the blame as the Tories will be voted in again to mop up the mess and deal with the hate and so it goes round,You have to be cruel to be kind and it's about time people stopped wanting something for nowt.
the working class have been systematically failed by each government. industries deliberately destroyed by thatcher. try and investigate for example what she did to duport steel works? the plot runs deep and dark. so she destroyed millions of jobs for centuries. that is plain evil.
all these governments are doing is dealing with the wreckage left behind in many ways. as the economy has no balance. the mega mega rich have made even more money, the workless lazy chavs have remained lazy weed smoking unemployables, the tens of millions in between are forced to pay for it all by working harder and longer. its beyond disgusting and not one politician has even begund to addressed the systematic corruption that produces this disgusting state of affairs
joeysteele
28-09-2012, 01:42 PM
I think people will vote for Labour as they will give them what they want(or so they think)while they enjoy all the hand outs ,behind the scenes the country will be plunged into debt again,only for them to escape the blame as the Tories will be voted in again to mop up the mess and deal with the hate and so it goes round,You have to be cruel to be kind and it's about time people stopped wanting something for nowt.
I feel you are right kazanne, people will be voting Labour more at the next election, I also think in spite of anything they say or say they will do.
The votes though will not as such be for the Labour Party but they will be votes against this Conservative Lib Dem Coalition.
I think the Coalition had a good chance and a the perfect time to call for all in the Country to make some sacrifice,for me they failed by getting bogged down with all these costly,confusing and across the board reforms to the NHS and the welfare and benefits system.
They should have concentrated on the reduction of the deficit,they would have had a better chance of holding support by doing that and avoiding confusing reforms that have had to be changed, moderated and looked at over and over and according to the main organisations are still unfair, lack compassion and basically wrong.
For me, Labour just needs to sit there and wait,I just cannot see where anyone who didn't vote Conservative last time would do so next time because of these,what are seen as, heartless policies especially to the weakest and most vulnerable in society.
Labour can just have the open door for all who wnat to see this Coalition gone,the Lib Dems in particular.
I find that sad,although I haven't a single scrap of trust or respect for the Lib Dems now, since I had high hopes for this Coalition and hoped for good compromises as to policies and more compassion too with more emphasis on concensus.
These are the issues I hoped Letterman would have raised with David Cameron on his show.
'The Truth', really good reading and interesting,I agree with just about all of what you detail there.
I don't accept we were are or near bankrupt though, near bankrupt Nations cannot give or would be allowed to give such aid as we do to other Countries,or could have got so involved in the Libyan crisis too.
Also with our workforce, there are always the means to raise taxation to clear any real near bankrupt situations if any ever existed.
Governments hate to do that but sometimes it could be necessary,being near bankrupt is such a situation for that to occur.
I expect to hear from all parties at the next election that they have no plans to increase income tax,(despite the deficit likely only being at best halved by then), that usually is the code for they are very likely to do so.
Kazanne
28-09-2012, 01:59 PM
I feel you are right kazanne, people will be voting Labour more at the next election, I also think in spite of anything they say or say they will do.
The votes though will not as such be for the Labour Party but they will be votes against this Conservative Lib Dem Coalition.
I think the Coalition had a good chance and a the perfect time to call for all in the Country to make some sacrifice,for me they failed by getting bogged down with all these costly,confusing and across the board reforms to the NHS and the welfare and benefits system.
They should have concentrated on the reduction of the deficit,they would have had a better chance of holding support by doing that and avoiding confusing reforms that have had to be changed, moderated and looked at over and over and according to the main organisations are still unfair, lack compassion and basically wrong.
For me, Labour just needs to sit there and wait,I just cannot see where anyone who didn't vote Conservative last time would do so next time because of these,what are seen as, heartless policies especially to the weakest and most vulnerable in society.
Labour can just have the open door for all who wnat to see this Coalition gone,the Lib Dems in particular.
I find that sad,although I haven't a sinle scrap of trust or respect for the Lib Dems now, since I had high hopes for this Coalition and hoped for good compromises as to policies and more compassion too with more emphasis on concensus.
These are the issues I hoped Letterman would have raised with David Cameron on his show.
'The Truth', really good reading and interesting,I agree with just about all of what you detail there.
I don't accept we were are or near bankrupt though, near bankrupt Nations cannot give or would be allowed to give such aid as we do to other Countries,or could have got so involved in the Libyan crisis too.
Also with our workforce, there are always the means to raise taxation to clear any real near bankrupt situations if any ever existed.
Governments hate to do that but sometimes it could be necessary,being near bankrupt is such a situation for that to occur.
I expect to hear from all parties at the next election that they have no plans to increase income tax,(despite the deficit likely only being at best halved by then), that usually is the code for they are very likely to do so.
Joey,I really think David Cameron is trying to help the country,yes some of what he does is harsh we have all felt the effects,but surely if we all pull together in the countries hour of need we will reap the benefits eventually,and I agree that the votes Labour will get will simply be a vote AGAINST the Tories,people really should think about the consequenses of revenge!:hugesmile:
the truth
28-09-2012, 02:07 PM
the jury is out on the benefit reforms. its scary for everyone and mistalkes will be made. but IF its done well, then maybe just maybe more money will go to those who need and deserve it and less will go to the workless chavs. as far as Im concerned being a drunk or a chain smoking or pot smoker or meow meow muncher is NOT a disability and these people shouldnt be allowed to milk benefits to fund such a pathetically selfish existence, at the expense of poor sick or didabled people
joeysteele
28-09-2012, 03:38 PM
Joey,I really think David Cameron is trying to help the country,yes some of what he does is harsh we have all felt the effects,but surely if we all pull together in the countries hour of need we will reap the benefits eventually,and I agree that the votes Labour will get will simply be a vote AGAINST the Tories,people really should think about the consequenses of revenge!:hugesmile:
I agree, the problem David Cameron has is that he would like I think to be seen as a consensus politician and has tried to present that at the election, everyone who meets him says he is a friendly and approachable guy.
He not only got the hard task of leading a Govt in a fragile economical state, he also had World events and problems arising from the Eurozone to face that could threaten how he proceeded.
He then has the far right of his party pressing for all sorts of harder policies as opposed to his more moderate ideas as to policies.
As well as all that he has to look constantly over his shoulder at what the Lib Dems are doing and saying, knowing they can scupper any plans he brings forward.
Rather then creating a strong Govt, this Coalition has been a weak Govt, with far too many factions pulling this way and then the other.
I think it's a pity he didn't get the chance to, on the Letterman show, get his points across better as to things he has done and had to do.
For Labour, the Coalition is a gift beyond belief, they are in effect the only opposition UK party there has been to the policies put forward.
My guess is they will win with a overall majority of at least 30 whenever the election comes.
David Cameron has had a baptism of fire as to being PM, it is never an easy job nor should it be but I cannot see any way back for him from the problems this Govt has now.
2013 and 2014 are going to be riddled with the effects of polices that are going to hit the most vulnerable far more,the NHS is heading for really big problems.
He will have nothing to give away at the next election as his reduction of the deficit will be nowhere near ,( if it even gets anywhere near half), of what he made his target as to it to be.
Politics is a cruel and lonely place at times.
the truth
28-09-2012, 04:58 PM
I agree, the problem David Cameron has is that he would like I think to be seen as a consensus politician and has tried to present that at the election, everyone who meets him says he is a friendly and approachable guy.
He not only got the hard task of leading a Govt in a fragile economical state, he also had World events and problems arising from the Eurozone to face that could threaten how he proceeded.
He then has the far right of his party pressing for all sorts of harder policies as opposed to his more moderate ideas as to policies.
As well as all that he has to look constantly over his shoulder at what the Lib Dems are doing and saying, knowing they can scupper any plans he brings forward.
Rather then creating a strong Govt, this Coalition has been a weak Govt, with far too many factions pulling this way and then the other.
I think it's a pity he didn't get the chance to, on the Letterman show, get his points across better as to things he has done and had to do.
For Labour, the Coalition is a gift beyond belief, they are in effect the only opposition UK party there has been to the policies put forward.
My guess is they will win with a overall majority of at least 30 whenever the election comes.
David Cameron has had a baptism of fire as to being PM, it is never an easy job nor should it be but I cannot see any way back for him from the problems this Govt has now.
2013 and 2014 are going to be riddled with the effects of polices that are going to hit the most vulnerable far more,the NHS is heading for really big problems.
He will have nothing to give away at the next election as his reduction of the deficit will be nowhere near ,( if it even gets anywhere near half), of what he made his target as to it to be.
Politics is a cruel and lonely place at times.
I disagree. labour are a total joke. not even the stupidest people can see what a disaster they were. the only reason labour didnt get even bigger hammering is that they created around 10 million workless chavs, many of whom worried they would lose their handouts under the tories. but 4 or 5 years later, the benefits system will be totally different and the freeloaders wont have that option anymore, so the culture will have changed a bit. the tories will produce more private jobs and reduce the mindless burocracy of big brother new labour. i thought new labour were as bad as thatchers lot by the end.
Harry!
28-09-2012, 06:55 PM
I did watch the video and I did find it amusing, David Letterman is a fabulous presenter and tried to humour the PM.
joeysteele
28-09-2012, 08:42 PM
I disagree. labour are a total joke. not even the stupidest people can see what a disaster they were. the only reason labour didnt get even bigger hammering is that they created around 10 million workless chavs, many of whom worried they would lose their handouts under the tories. but 4 or 5 years later, the benefits system will be totally different and the freeloaders wont have that option anymore, so the culture will have changed a bit. the tories will produce more private jobs and reduce the mindless burocracy of big brother new labour. i thought new labour were as bad as thatchers lot by the end.
If the picture you paint comes to fruition then David Cameron has a chance of again being the largest party, however there is no evidence the private sector is going to come up with the massive number of vacancies needed, in fact a lot of the private sector,especially in Stores and retail are reducing current staffing hours.
There is only just around 2 and a half years now to the next election, we are still at this time in a double dip recession.
Also from what I am finding,from the organisations who deal with benefits and welfare,while it is admitted that the Country does support benefit and welfare reform, it is felt that the measures now to take place from April 2013 and then likely October 2013 into 2014 are too harsh and severe.
I would love to see the Conservatives rally, however I cannot see any possibility that anyone who didn't vote for them in 2010, will do so in 2015.
The Lib Dems have comfortably lost a third of the voters they got in 2010 and they in the main have gone to Labour and won't return in 2015 to the Lib Dems.
The Conservatives can be up to 3% ahead of Labour and still fail to get an overall majority,Labour barely needs to be 2% ahead to, for sure, be able to form a Govt with likely no help really from other parties at all.
The boundary changes the Conservatives desperately needed are not going to happen too due to the Lib Dems pulling support away from that because of the loss of Lord's reform.
David Cameron is the best leader of a party we have at present in my view,he came across really well on Letterman and he does outside the House of Commons too, the nice guys are often not the ones to win though.
Nedusa
29-09-2012, 08:50 AM
Not sure Dave would have been too pleased at the History quiz , but after that I think it went pretty well.
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