11am BBC2 PM speech

[Kizzy]

Get the popcorn ready! our illustrious leader is making his closing speech at the conservative party conference.
Will he be able to top Ed Millibands stellar performance?

[Kazanne]

Well if you think Millibands was a stellar performance ,you will be really spoilt today Kizzy,you will see how a PM should speak,he will NOT be out to please everyone,he will not steal someone elses lines,infact he will tell you it's 'sink or swim' and the truth is always unpopular,he will quite rightly be wiping the floor with who was it again?oh yes,Milliband:hugesmile:Bring it on Mr Cameron:xyxwave:

[Kizzy]

Sink or swim, interesting choice of words kezanne..
Daves mate George was selling lifejackets to those who could afford them during the budget.
HMS NHS is sinking as the rats have sold all the lifeboats too!
;)

[Omah]

Get the popcorn ready! our illustrious leader is making his closing speech at the conservative party conference.

I can't be bothered - he talks the most utter rubbish - yesterday he said that the government hadn't made any u-turns ..... :rolleyes:

All I heard was ""Yeah, but, no, but, yeah, but, no, but" with an Eton accent ..... :bored:

[Kizzy]

Of course he did Omah, thats the tory way deny everything and keep your head down when exposed till the dust settles wheres wally stylee, btw has anyone spotted Andrew Mitchell lately?

[Kizzy]

On now...

[Kazanne]

And may i say talking perfect sense to those who dont want owt for nowt:hugesmile:

[Kazanne]

I can't be bothered - he talks the most utter rubbish - yesterday he said that the government hadn't made any u-turns ..... :rolleyes:

All I heard was ""Yeah, but, no, but, yeah, but, no, but" with an Eton accent ..... :bored:

Well you wont be commenting on this then i take it:hugesmile:

[chuff me dizzy]

I cannot bear to look or listen to him :devil::devil::devil::devil:

[Livia]

And may i say talking perfect sense to those who dont want owt for nowt:hugesmile:

In a nutshell... this.

[Kazanne]

What great speech,Cameron>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Millipede

[Kizzy]

As I suspected bash the hell out of benefit claimants and teaching unions, that was the long and the short of it.
Sink or swim, basically cutting adrift a huge section of society.
95% morgages in an unstable economy? A lack of social housing so he advocates the sale of remaining stock!
Capping housing benefit not greedy landlords charging exxtortionate rents for substandard accomodation....
No word on the police.
Publically humiliating Liverpool council suggesting they are in some way responsible for the loss of industry, without any explanation as to the ethics of the proposal.
A piss poor cluching at straws speech by a PM who knows his days are numbered.

[Livia]

Yes I thought it was a great speech too. Especially the bit where he reminded everyone who spent all the money and put us in the position we're in. Hard to argue with that... but of course, Labour supporters will try.

[joeysteele]

I am a bit disappointed if I am honest, I hoped to hear some words of change and compassion and found very little there.

It was largely a continuance of the 2010 election campaign,I agree hard decisions had to be taken and still need to be, he has however in my opinion,( and I don't really believe he himself wanted to go as far as to it),gone too far and with little compassion in his social policies overall.
I heard nothing to make me feel that come the next election he will be saying anything different than the last one.
The last election turned voters away from him, he had a commanding lead of 10+points over Labour before the election was called, he ended up not winning an overall majority and seeing that lead pegged back even after a totally disastrous Labour campaign.

While I agree with much that he said today, I cannot see him bringing any more voters to his party next time and no way will Labour be on only 29% this time round.
More compassion was needed to be displayed in his speech, he didn't take the chance to do so enough for me.

With so much pain to come for those who are the weakest and most vulnerable in the next 12 to 18 months from April next year, I cannot see him leading the Conservatives to anywhere near an overall majority and also likely not to being the largest party in 2015 even.

I like David Cameron but as in 2010,I couldn't yet see myself supporting the Conservatives at the next election and his speech today did nothing at all to tempt me on board.
I wish they would tell us the truth too, it was said the Coalition was made to all but clear the deficit by 2015, claiming Labours plans to halve the deficit in 4 years being bad for the Nation and unambitious.
In 2 and a half years the deficit was reduced by only 25% despite all these hard measures put in place and the deficits is rising again due to new and this Govt borrowing.
They will therefore fail to all but clear the deficit by 2015.

He was right,as he spoke from the experience of his own Child,that people did and still do see the wheelchair of a disabled person and not the person in it, I don't agree with him that has changed much even after the Paralympics.
The sad irony is though, that this coalition has created anxiety, confusion and even fear among many genuine diasbled people with much more of those policies containing near no compassion whatsoever still to come.
That he didn't address at all and in my view he needed to put an end to this demonisation of the disabled that even his Ministers help to fuel in the media.

For me, the conferences vote is Clegg's speech 3/10, Ed Miliband 8/10, David Cameron 7/10.
I have to say I have found near all the conferences apart from rare moments,the most tedious I have watched these last few years.

[Kazanne]

Good things can't be rushed Joey they have cut the deficit by a quarter already,given time they might just get us on our feet again,that's unless someone comes along to destroy the process!!:hugesmile:

[Kizzy]

Some excellent points there joey, they have in no way put us anywhere near being on target for 2015 as you say despite the current reforms some of which began with labour and were simply adopted.
Where was the support for public services? banking reform?
an explanation of the recent virgin/ first rail debarcle that has just cost the taxpayer 40 million?
So may be content to namecall and scoff at the plight of 1000's of households in the UK, I for one do not find it constructive or fair.

[thesheriff443]

i did not hear his speach!
talk is cheap unless your on chat line.

[Omah]

Well you wont be commenting on this then i take it:hugesmile:

No ..... not interested in tory-talk ..... :bored:

[Livia]

'Blinkered' is obviously the new 'informed'

[Kizzy]

Omah, you should try deciphering some of the doublespeak, its fun...
Half-truths,untruths,rhetoric, spin,read between the lines and add in a few facts and bingo! =)

[thesheriff443]

if goverments did what they promised there would be no need to change them!

[Omah]

'Blinkered' is obviously the new 'informed'

Is that the new Tory slogan?

:pipe:

[Kazanne]

Omah, you should try deciphering some of the doublespeak, its fun...
Half-truths,untruths,rhetoric, spin,read between the lines and add in a few facts and bingo! =)

Well you should be good at that Kizzy,listening to Labour for so long ,you'll be an expert :hugesmile:

[Omah]

Omah, you should try deciphering some of the doublespeak, its fun...
Half-truths,untruths,rhetoric, spin,read between the lines and add in a few facts and bingo! =)

Been there, done that ..... CBA for this lot ..... :sleep:

[Kizzy]

Well you should be good at that Kizzy,listening to Labour for so long ,you'll be an expert :hugesmile:
I'm not an expert and have listened to all parties kezanne.
30 u-turns since he became PM, dodgy dealings with murky murdoch ...Creating policies on the advice of venture capitalist backers...
Dipping into public funds to bailout banks and balled up transport deals.
I voted liberal at the last election but yes I am happy to say give Ed a go, I'm not so blinkered as to believe labour were responsible for a worldwide recession so at the moment based on what I have seen an heard they have my vote.

[Kizzy]

Everyone's an expert.

Edit: I've just seen Kazanne's reply to Kizzy. For the sake of clarity, this post wasn't aimed at anyone in particular... before there's a whole drama.

Nobody is an expert, not even it seems those who are in positions of power and expertise in their field...thats the problem =)

[Omah]

Nobody is an expert, not even it seems those who are in positions of power and expertise in their field...thats the problem =)

It seems that parliamentary politics is a career in itself nowadays - the idle rich have nothing better to do and the rest can't or won't get a proper job ..... we end up with a load of shambolic amateurs making up economic policy from secondary school primers ..... :rolleyes:

[Kazanne]

Everyone's an expert.

Edit: I've just seen Kazanne's reply to Kizzy. For the sake of clarity, this post wasn't aimed at anyone in particular... before there's a whole drama.

:joker::joker::joker:Livia,that just made me laugh:xyxwave:

[Kizzy]

It seems that parliamentary politics is a career in itself nowadays - the idle rich have nothing better to do and the rest can't or won't get a proper job ..... we end up with a load of shambolic amateurs making up economic policy from secondary school primers ..... :rolleyes:

Agreed, a lot of ya-ya's as my dad called them, delegate the real work to some lacky, sack them if it goes tits up and take sole credit for any success.

[joeysteele]

Good things can't be rushed Joey they have cut the deficit by a quarter already,given time they might just get us on our feet again,that's unless someone comes along to destroy the process!!:hugesmile:

I hoped for good success for the Coalition kazanne,however,no matter what I do in my life, if I have a goal and plan a means to get to that goal but it is taking me too long to succeed,I look for a better way.
Labour I felt were a total joke in 2010,I didn't blame them for the financial crisis though, okay they could have done more to control things in the UK but they had no real control over the collapse in all other Countries which still would have massively affected the UK even if we'd had the foresight to prepare for it.

Labour though,had a plan to cut the deficit in 4 years,making 20% less cuts and protecting the fragile recovery by not making severe cuts in the first year.

It was argued by the Conservatives and the Lib Dems, that was dangerous and unambitious and to still have a deficit barely halved by 2015 would be a disaster for the UK.
Rightly with a stronger plan, they formed a Coalition to all but clear the deficit by 2015, make more severe cuts from the first year,this they said would reduce the deficit quickest and protect the fragile recovery.
That simple has not happened, the cuts in the first year have had a devastating effect and took us into a double dip recession,the heartless welfare reforms and even more heartless ATOS testing has been in effect a hammer taken to the most vulnerable people in society with much more pain and with more heartless reforms still to be made all through next year.

The deficit was reduced by only 25% in the whole half of this Parliament,2 and a half years, it is now rising again due to the Coalitions new borrowing needs.
That is failure by any means the way I look at things and I think this Govt is too reforming, it should have waited to plan these reforms and look for other ways that wouldn't cause distress to the weakest in society.

I hoped the failure of the Conservatives to win an overall majority and therefore not get endorsements for the severity of their policies in the election and then having the Lib Dems in Coalition would have had a massively moderating effect on those extreme plans of reform,making sure too that compassion was a main order of the day as to any reforms.

That did not happen either, I find it sad that I heard from David Cameron today no understanding and compassion for the weakest and most vulnerable or indeed any let up in the hammer being used against them.
He said he is on the side of the risk takers, what risk takers? It was the risk taking Banks that helped bring about this Global financial mess,on the side of the likes of them.

We have a major question as to what to do in the future after the 2015 election as these are staying on this failed track, although they argue things are getting better because they are getting worse slower.
The answers for me are that moderates and consensus politicians from all parties should be planning the way forward.
That is never likely to happen but for me, one thing is sure,after this speech today by the Prime Minister, the answers are nowhere to be found now in this Coalition.
For me also.the NHS reforms will see that neither of the Coalition parties are trusted with that after the next election.

Whether Labour could have done it or not in reality, their modest reforms,the plan to only halve the deficit in 4 years and avoid really severe cuts to the most vulnerable in society,especially in the first year and also making 20% less of cuts in total, for me suddenly seems to have been more realistic and fairer from what we have had.

It pains me to say that but I have seen,and am seeing, how the genuine disabled have had anxiety,confusion and even uncertainty and fear thrust on them from this heartless Coalition.
They ignore all the main charitable and other organisations who have, and who are, warning of the devastating likely effects of the welfare reforms on the most vulnerable and such lack of compassion as that gets no support from me.

The policies over the last 2 and a half years are failing and causing too much added hardship. everyone expected some hardship but it is in the main all directed at one section of society and unfairly in my view.
Nothing David Cameron said today, gave me any hope he was going to insist on far more compassionate policies,he is staying with the failing ones still running.
I am really sad he failed to do any of that. I hoped for much better from his Govt in Coalition with the the Lib Dems.

[Omah]

Agreed, a lot of ya-ya's as my dad called them, delegate the real work to some lacky, sack them if it goes tits up and take sole credit for any success.

That's the Tories for you ..... :laugh2:

[Kizzy]

I hoped for good success for the Coalition kazanne,however,no matter what I do in my life, if I have a goal and plan a means to get to that goal but it is taking me too long to succeed,I look for a better way.
Labour who I felt were a total joke in 2010,I didn't blame them for the financial crisis, okay they could have done more to control things in the UK but they had no real control over the collapse in all other Countries which still would have massively affected the UK even if we'd ad the foresight to prepare for it.

Labour though,had a plan to cut the deficit in 4 years,making 20% less cuts and protecting the fragile recovery by not making severe cuts in the first year.

It was argued by the Conservatives and the Lib Dems, that was dangerous and unambitious and to still have a deficit barely halved by 2015 would be a disaster for the UK.
Rightly with a stronger plan, they formed a Coalition to all but clear the deficit by 2015, make more severe cuts from the first year,this they said would reduce the deficit quickest and protect the fragile recovery.
That simple has not happened, the cuts in the first year have had a devastaing effect and took us into a double dip recession,the heartless welfare reforms and ven more heartless ATOS testing has been in effect a hammer taken to the most vulnerable people in society with much more pain and more heartkess reforms still to be made all through next year.

The deficit was reduced by only 25% in the whole half of this Parliament,2 and a half years, it is now rising again due to the Coalitions new borrowing needs.
That is failure by any means the way I look at things and I think this Govt is too reforming, it should have waited to plan these reforms and look for other ways that wouldn't cause distress to the weakest in society.

I hoped the failure of the Conservatives to win an overall majority and therefore not get endorsements for the severity of their policies in the election and then having the Lib Dems in Coalition would have had a massively moderating effect on those extreme plans of reform,making sure too that compassion was a main order of the day as to any reforms.

That did not happen either, I find it sad that I heard from David Cameron today no understanding and compassion for the weakest and most vulnerable or indeed any let up in the hammer being used against them.
He said he is on the side of the risk takers, what risk takers, it was the risk taking Banks that helped bring about this Global financial mess,on the side of the likes of them.

We have a major question as to what to do in the future after the 2015 election as these are staying on this failed track, although they argue things are getting better becasue they are getting worse slower.
The answers for me are that moderates and consensus politicians from all parties should be planning the way forward.
That is never likely to happen but for me, one thing is sure,after this speech today by the Prime Minister, the answers are nowhere to be found now in this Coalition.
For me also.the NHS reforms will see that neither of the Coalition parties are trusted with that after the next election.

Whether Labour could have done it or not in reality, their modest reforms,the plan to only halve the deficit in 4 years and avoid really severe cuts to the most vulnerable in society,especially in the first year and also making 20% less of cuts in total, for me suddenly seems to have been more realistic and fairer from what we have had.

It pains me to say that but I have seen,and am seeing how the genuine disabled have had anxiety,confusion and even uncertainty and fear thrust on them from this heartless Coalition.
They ignore all the main charitable and other organisations who have, and who are, warning of the devasatating likely effects of the welfare reforms on the most vulnerable and such lack of compassion as that gets no support from me.

The polices over the last 2 and a half years are failing and causing too much added hardship. everyone expected some hardship but it is in the main all directed at one section of society and unfairly in my view.
Nothing David Cameron said today, gave me any hope he was going to insist on far more compassionate policies,he is staying with the failing ones still running.
I am really sad he failed to do any of that. I hoped for much better from his Govt in Coalition with the the Lib Dems.

Wowee joey, you have really studied this government comparing and contrasting them to what was happening globally in 2010. If more people have your clarity of vision to not look back, refusing to be led by the nose there may be a chance for this country! =)

[Livia]

Reading this thread - with one or two exceptions, joey - it's like listening to a fat bloke sitting in an armchair in his team shirt, shouting at a bunch of footballers as if he could really do better. If more people spent less time pontificating and toff-bashing (really... people would be outraged if people were being bashed simply because they were working class, seems it doesn't work the other way around though) and more time actually getting involved in politics, it would be a much better and fairer system. All the political parties are crying out for members, for campaigners, for councillors... but it's easier to sit in your armchair and moan.

[Ninastar]

:worship: :worship: x 10000

[thesheriff443]

Reading this thread - with one or two exceptions, joey - it's like listening to a fat bloke sitting in an armchair in his team shirt, shouting at a bunch of footballers as if he could really do better. If more people spent less time pontificating and toff-bashing (really... people would be outraged if people were being bashed simply because they were working class, seems it doesn't work the other way around though) and more time actually getting involved in politics, it would be a much better and fairer system. All the political parties are crying out for members, for campaigners, for councillors... but it's easier to sit in your armchair and moan.

i dont see the posh getting poorer!,only the poor getting poorer,
you talk like people dont have the right to question the people that are running this country!

[Livia]

i dont see the posh getting poorer!,only the poor getting poorer,
you talk like people dont have the right to question the people that are running this country!

Of course people have a right to question the people who run the country. However, the coalition was voted in mainly because half the country couldn't be arsed to vote. If everyone who had a vote used it, it might be a very different picture.

But it's the same old stuff over and over again. There isn't really any debate, just rabid anti-Tory rants. And I'm not saying they don't deserve it but a bit of balance would be refreshing. However, it's like a Trade Union rally in here at times.

One of the reasons that there are a lot of rich people in politics (in all parties) is that the pay for MPs is crap considering the responsibility they have... not even middle-management level in civvy street. Well qualified people from working class or middle class backgrounds can have a far more lucrative career in business. Even the head of my local authority is paid more than five times what an MP is paid. And before you mention expenses, you would not believe the restraints now in place because some - not all - some MPs abused it, and those who did should be in jail.

[Kazanne]

Reading this thread - with one or two exceptions, joey - it's like listening to a fat bloke sitting in an armchair in his team shirt, shouting at a bunch of footballers as if he could really do better. If more people spent less time pontificating and toff-bashing (really... people would be outraged if people were being bashed simply because they were working class, seems it doesn't work the other way around though) and more time actually getting involved in politics, it would be a much better and fairer system. All the political parties are crying out for members, for campaigners, for councillors... but it's easier to sit in your armchair and moan.

Bravo,Livia:wavey:

[joeysteele]

Reading this thread - with one or two exceptions, joey - it's like listening to a fat bloke sitting in an armchair in his team shirt, shouting at a bunch of footballers as if he could really do better. If more people spent less time pontificating and toff-bashing (really... people would be outraged if people were being bashed simply because they were working class, seems it doesn't work the other way around though) and more time actually getting involved in politics, it would be a much better and fairer system. All the political parties are crying out for members, for campaigners, for councillors... but it's easier to sit in your armchair and moan.

Of course,to me your opinion is always very valid and enlightening too.One I respect with the greatest of respect too

I have hoped for to see some compassion and I know I do go on about compassion a lot but I believe a society is only as good as in how its rulers treat the weakest and most vulnerable.
I have voted Conservative for the Council and Lib Dem in the election of 2010.

I already know that in every party there are many 'concensus' politicians who in the main have their best ideas ignored a lot of the time.
I watched avidly these Party Conferences, unbelievable to see no dissenting voices at the Lib Dems, yet not one single Lib Dem member or Councillor I have talked to agrees with how the Parliamentary Lib Dems have voted on so many issues.

The other side is also, I know Conservative councillors who I have even voted for, who also hated the NHS reform bill being even talked about let alone it going through Parliament, they too are concerned strongly as to things like the 'bedroom tax' still to come and the very further intrusive re-assessing of all disabled people,however yet again, no dissenting voices heard at the Conservative conference.
These Councillors aften state they have made their views known to the Party hierarchy, they either haven't or don't get listened to.

I personally come from a privileged background, I have no interest in whether people are snobs or not,in fact I find already in life the worst kind of snobs are working class snobs for looking down on others.

I live my life by a simple guideline, 'if I was walking down the street with just a couple of items in a bag and saw someone struggling with 5 or 6 bags having to keep changing hands, then I would help them with that load'.
I hope if the day comes that I go into Politics,I never lose that train of thought and that I may try to influence that the strong look out for the weak, the rich look out for the most vulnerable.

I haven't seen much of demonising the really strongest and richest of society or the 'taking from' same that I am very sadly seeing as to the disabled in particular, from this Coalition Govt.
I do agree with their aims on a great many issues, however on the NHS,which I was and remain solidly against their reforms there,in fact I don't see where they had any mandate to do them since they were not in any party's manifesto and then also the welfare and Benefit reforms too, while I support the reforms of the welfare and benefit structure,I do not support the means used in the reforms from this Coalition Govt.

Politics to me is a fascinating thing however perhaps,as you say, if people who did feel strongly about injustices that they see and got more involved then things may improve.
As yet,I am in no way a Party political person,I have no allegiance to any party however I do talk to people from all parties, members and Councillors too,(even Lib Dems),I am finding though it is beyond belief how far away local Politicians are from their Parliamentary colleagues as to certain policies.

For me, David Cameron said nothing I could latch onto to see that things will be any different or better as to these problems in the future.

[Livia]

Parliamentary politics and local politics are two very different animals, joey. An MP might latch on to an issue that's been brought to his attention by a Councillor, but MPs don't get usually involved in local issues that are in the domain of the council and Councillors don't generally get involved at Parliamentary level... as you know.

I would also like to see more party members (I'm referring to all the parties) given a voice at conference. Unfortunately it's all about press and soundbites. More party members from all parties need to speak out if they are against something, but they have to be careful. If they are not for the party, they are against it. I do know a few councillors who have become disillusioned (one Conservative and a couple of LibDems) who have resigned from their party and continued on the council as independents. I admire them to be honest, standing up to be counted over issues they feel strongly about.

[joeysteele]

Parliamentary politics and local politics are two very different animals, joey. An MP might latch on to an issue that's been brought to his attention by a Councillor, but MPs don't get usually involved in local issues that are in the domain of the council and Councillors don't generally get involved at Parliamentary level... as you know.

I would also like to see more party members (I'm referring to all the parties) given a voice at conference. Unfortunately it's all about press and soundbites. More party members from all parties need to speak out if they are against something, but they have to be careful. If they are not for the party, they are against it. I do know a few councillors who have become disillusioned (one Conservative and a couple of LibDems) who have resigned from their party and continued on the council as independents. I admire them to be honest, standing up to be counted over issues they feel strongly about.

I doubt I would make a good Party MP Livia, I would likely end up being a rebel.I may mellow as I get older:joker:

[Livia]

I doubt I would make a good Party MP Livia, I would likely end up being a rebel.I may mellow as I get older:joker:

You would make a refreshingly wonderful MP, joey.

[joeysteele]

You would make a refreshingly wonderful MP, joey.

From you, that is a great confidence booster and praise indeed.Thank you.

[Kizzy]

I'm not surprised, if local councillors are running for the hills it naturally follows that people will vote with their feet.
Unfortunately despite everything most still have a social conscious.

[Omah]

Reading this thread - with one or two exceptions, joey - it's like listening to a fat bloke sitting in an armchair in his team shirt, shouting at a bunch of footballers as if he could really do better. If more people spent less time pontificating and toff-bashing (really... people would be outraged if people were being bashed simply because they were working class, seems it doesn't work the other way around though) and more time actually getting involved in politics, it would be a much better and fairer system. All the political parties are crying out for members, for campaigners, for councillors... but it's easier to sit in your armchair and moan.

Some people talk the talk, some people walk the walk ..... I've walked the walk many times ..... :pipe:

[Niamh.]

Closed for cleaning, can I ask Kizzy and Livia to just not speak to eachother once I reopen? Thanks.

[Kizzy]

Thankyou for cleaning not closing niamh, =)
I am really interested in this topic, I'm no expert but i do have an opinion as a citizen of the UK, we are in a transition yet i feel that judging on the speech the PM was advocating the dissolution of communities. which would have a seriously detrimental effect on society as a whole.

[Livia]

Closed for cleaning, can I ask Kizzy and Livia to just not speak to eachother once I reopen? Thanks.

A request with which I am happy to comply.

[arista]

Kizzy
it's to Early to read so much in this years Politics.





2014
is the one to watch

The Labour Leader has no Policy until then.

[Kizzy]

Kizzy
it's to Early to read so much in this years Politics.





2014
is the one to watch

The Labour Leader has no Policy until then.

Don't worry what I think about arista... Just post about what you damn well think about the sodding speech!
Thats the point of the fecking thread.

[arista]

I say its far to Early

2014 is before the May 2015 Election

I think his speech was good
Mild no need to push.

[Cherie]

It would be nice if a government any government (I dont care at this stage which one because in my book they are all the same, promise a lot, and then forget about them once they have gained office) stopped giving themselves inflation busting pay rises, and stopped paying benefit to anyone who happens to turn up in this country. There are EU countries Spain being a typical example who do not pay a penny to anyone who hasnt paid into the system for a period of time, and that goes for whether or not they are a Spanish National, why can't they implement a similar system here, instead of hounding people who pay tax to pay more and more, cutting diabled benefit and child benefit (okay that backfired spectacularly but its only a matter of time before its brought up again and touted as a way of saving the Nation), any party who implemented a similar system would get my vote.

[Kizzy]

I say its far to Early

2014 is before the May 2015 Election

I think his speech was good
Mild no need to push.

Fine, my opinion is based on what has happened since 2010 and their plans for the future, thats what i'm trying to say sorry for being abrupt ;)

[thesheriff443]

the goverment feathers its own nest just like this forum!

[Cherie]

the goverment feathers its own nest just like this forum!

Precisely. It would be nice as we "are all in this together" and we are "One Nation" if MPs took a pay freeze, and perhaps had the goalposts moved on their gold plated pensions as the public sector have had to do with their salaries and their pensions. If a government signed up to this it might go some way to creating trust and also create the right example...do as I say not as I do seems to be the way forward, and some of us are in this more than others.

[arista]

2010
was a better year, Kizzy.


But now Times are Real Hard.
I do not want Labour back - I do not trust them
and we will get so much more in debt.

Inspiration is the Key for the young
and that appears to be in King Simons hands.


A WW3 would change everything.


Whatever your child dreams of
I hope it happens

[Kizzy]

If they just did the job they were elected to do without all the dodgy dealings and pandering to the banks and the backers...
Thing is whenever they are exposed as liars the knee jerk reaction is to deny everything!
Maybe it's not a tory specific problem.
But to ask people to forgive and forget so much in such a short timescale is silly.
Ed is not blair or brown...Can he do enough to convince voters he will be true to his principles?

[arista]

"Ed is not blair or brown"

True
but he was the Jr with them
so the Stink
is Stuck on him

[Kizzy]

"Ed is not blair or brown"

True
but he was the Jr with them
so the Stink
is Stuck on him

Maybe, but i felt in his speech he tried to distance himself from 'new labour' he is an intellectual, a deep thinker not a showman with gimmicks and a cheesy grin.
It actually appeals to me that he has minimal charisma too, I want a PM who does his job not a grinning fool.

[joeysteele]

From Ed Miliband's speech I would agree he has distanced himself from that silly 'new' Labour title that Tony Blair brought in, whatever that meant.

My own view is that he will be the only Leader who is the new leader of a main party in 2015,(unless the Lib Dems see sense and get rid of Clegg).
In that, I think it better for Labour that he is leader than his Brother David,who would be more associated overall with the last Labour govt for most of its time in power.

David Cameron,while making a fair speech this week, was in effect though back to the 2010 campaign,he was forced in some ways to backtrack to then because of Ed Milibands speech.
His problem being though,he has been in for 2 and a half years now,he did say the cuts were necessary, the reforms were necessary and the deficit had to be all but cleared by 2015,his plan for that was also stated as hopefully being able to cope with any further likely problems as to the Eurozone.

He cannot now start again with the 2010 campaign now he sees that just about all areas of his policies as to the economy are failing or not even beginning to work.The deficit will be nowhere near being cleared by 2015,which was the whole basis of this Coalition.
Seeing the methods/policies used to get whatever is off it by 2015,will not get the voters support for any more of those methods/policies in the future in my view.

I think the voters will actually vote Labour,not for, (as I have said elsewhere), because they are really supporting Labour with their votes but they will be voting against this Coalition and its hidden agenda's which all surfaced after they got the votes last time in 2010.
I actually think David Cameron knows full well that will likely be the case too and knows he is likely to be a one term PM.
Trust,that is the problem David Cameron failed to address in his speech as opposed to Ed Miliband who presented himself as the new,(newer), Politician for the voters to see if he can be trustworthy.

Sadly trust and Politicians are 2 words that the public don't connect together,but the broken promises of the Lib Dems who went on and on about trust every day in the 2010 election campaign.then betrayed that trust they got.
Then the Conservatives guaranteeing no top to bottom,across the board reforming of the NHS but then doing it, will have the voters too afraid to trust either of those parties further.
I think the voters will give Ed Miliband the chance in 2015 actually.

[Josy]

I cleaned this thread again, keep on topic now please.

[Kizzy]

From Ed Miliband's speech I would agree he has distanced himself from that silly 'new' Labour title that Tony Blair brought in, whatever that meant.

My own view is that he will be the only Leader who is the new leader of a main party in 2015,(unless the Lib Dems see sense and get rid of Clegg).
In that, I think it better for Labour that he is leader than his Brother David,who would be more associated overall with the last Labour govt for most of its time in power.

David Cameron,while making a fair speech this week, was in effect though back to the 2010 campaign,he was forced in some ways to backtrack to then because of Ed Milibands speech.
His problem being though,he has been in for 2 and a half years now,he did say the cuts were necessary, the reforms were necessary and the deficit had to be all but cleared by 2015,his plan for that was also stated as hopefully being able to cope with any further likely problems as to the Eurozone.

He cannot now start again with the 2010 campaign now he sees that just about all areas of his policies as to the economy are failing or not even beginning to work.The deficit will be nowhere near being cleared by 2015,which was the whole basis of this Coalition.
Seeing the methods/policies used to get whatever is off it by 2015,will not get the voters support for any more of those methods/policies in the future in my view.

I think the voters will actually vote Labour,not for, (as I have said elsewhere), because they are really supporting Labour with their votes but they will be voting against this Coalition and its hidden agenda's which all surfaced after they got the votes last time in 2010.
I actually think David Cameron knows full well that will likely be the case too and knows he is likely to be a one term PM.
Trust,that is the problem David Cameron failed to address in his speech as opposed to Ed Miliband who presented himself as the new,(newer), Politician for the voters to see if he can be trustworthy.

Sadly trust and Politicians are 2 words that the public don't connect together,but the broken promises of the Lib Dems who went on and on about trust every day in the 2010 election campaign.then betrayed that trust they got.
Then the Conservatives guaranteeing no top to bottom,across the board reforming of the NHS but then doing it, will have the voters too afraid to trust either of those parties further.
I think the voters will give Ed Miliband the chance in 2015 actually.

My thoughts too, I'm still in shock that Nick Clegg was not more instrumental in government.
Even a new leader wouldn't be enough to make amends.
The conservatives are far to cold and detatched from society.
I am looking forward to what else Ed has to say leading up to the elections.

[Omah]

It would be nice if a government any government (I dont care at this stage which one because in my book they are all the same, promise a lot, and then forget about them once they have gained office) stopped giving themselves inflation busting pay rises, and stopped paying benefit to anyone who happens to turn up in this country. There are EU countries Spain being a typical example who do not pay a penny to anyone who hasnt paid into the system for a period of time, and that goes for whether or not they are a Spanish National, why can't they implement a similar system here, instead of hounding people who pay tax to pay more and more, cutting diabled benefit and child benefit (okay that backfired spectacularly but its only a matter of time before its brought up again and touted as a way of saving the Nation), any party who implemented a similar system would get my vote.

Yeah, all that and bang up a few dozen bankers "pour encourager les autres" ..... :thumbs: