Is suicide 'the easy way out'?

[Ryan.]

How the **** is it 'easy' to shoot yourself, or kick over a chair with a rope round your neck.

I know it's an emotive subject, but I find that opinion disgusting and I'd like to open a debate about it.

[King Gizzard]

The ''it's selfish'' debate is particularly annoying and heartless

[Marcus.]

Feel sorry for the famerly

[Kizzy]

This has been done, it caused ructions...I think I got banned?

[Shaun]

yeah nothing easier than resolving to kill yourself

[Glenn.]

Lets not talk about this...

[Vanessa]

It's a very sensitive subject. I don't think it's the easy way out at all. Sometimes it's a cry for help i think. :(

[Jake.]

Hate this whole subject, I always get too hot headed

[AnnieK]

It is an incredibly emotional subject. I don't think anyone can say its an easy option...for someone to be so low that they feel their only option is to take their life is incredibly sad. I think it horrific for the family too, not only have they lost someone they love they have to cope with the fact that something was so bad they couldnt see any other way out.

[Ryan.]

Ohh I'm sorry if I wasn't mean to bring this up 0.o it came up on Facebook and I wanted to see other opinions

[Redway]

I suppose it would depend on the person but suicide in itself certainly isn't 'the easy way out'. Anyone who says otherwise is an absolute moron.

[thesheriff443]

I suppose it would depend on the person but suicide in itself certainly isn't 'the easy way out'. Anyone who says otherwise is an absolute moron.

you just cant say that!
if people think it is that! then thats their right!.

[thesheriff443]

example!
if your a husband and father and you get in debt beacuse you have a gambling problem,
they cant face dealing with their problem so they take their own life then thats a selfish act!

[Glenn.]

I think it's best this thread gets shut down before things get heated.

[thesheriff443]

remember the bloke that had money worries so he killed hemself but before he did he killed his teenage daughter as she sat with her pc,he also jilled his wife their dogs and horse's

[Vanessa]

I think it's best this thread gets shut down before things get heated.

Why? There are no arguments at the moment. :conf:

[Vanessa]

remember the bloke that had money worries so he killed hemself but before he did he killed his teenage daughter as she sat with her pc,he also jilled his wife their dogs and horse's

That's really selfish. Why kill his wife and daughter as well? :mad:

[Shaun]

the last time this thread happened everyone was against Glenn because he's stupid on this issue

[Redway]

you just cant say that!
if people think it is that! then thats their right!.

Of course it's their right. Just as it's my right to challenge their ridiculous standpoints and call people exactly what I think they are.

[Redway]

I think it's best this thread gets shut down before things get heated.

Why? Because the only person I see getting particularly worked up about this is you.

[GypsyGoth]

I think the idea of suicide being the easy way out comes not from the act itself, but rather the fact that a person is not willing to fix or struggle through their problems.

It seems like an outdated view on the subject.

[Glenn.]

Not stupid. It's my opinion that suicide is selfish.

Why does that make me stupid? Because people view it differently?

[thesheriff443]

the last time this thread happened everyone was against Glenn because he's stupid on this issue
no matter how he feels about this subject he is entitled to his opinion.

[Shaun]

no matter how he feels about this subject he is entitled to his opinion.

OK cheers Gandhi

[Redway]

...And we're just as entitled to challenge that. Or are we only allowed to be PC and leave the most idiotic comments because they fall into the category of someone's 'beliefs'?

[thesheriff443]

OK cheers Gandhi

come on shaun dont be like that.

[Glenn.]

It's the families of those that get left behind that is the real tragedy.

Left wondering whether there was anything they could of done. The act of suicide is selfish regardless of the circumstances that led to the suicide in the first place.

[Redway]

Glenn. :bored:

[CharlieO]

it angers me when people say its the easy way out or that it is selfish. I do not believe it is in any manor.

I believe it is courageous in fact, and beautiful in a sense. Because it is so against the norm and the person doesn't care. They're at a point of no return and nothingness is where they wish to float and i respect that.

[CharlieO]

it angers me when people say its the easy way out or that it is selfish. I do not believe it is in any manor.

I believe it is courageous in fact, and beautiful in a sense. Because it is so against the norm and the person doesn't care. They're at a point of no return and nothingness is where they wish to float and i respect that.

[Glenn.]

What?

I know someone who killed himself because he got himself into a mountain of debt. He had a wife and two kids.

He left them to deal with his **** and bury him. Is that not selfish?

[AnnieK]

I can see both sides... If the person commits suicide due to debts etc, those debts will still be there after their death and so their loved ones have to deal with not only the original problem but also the death , and manner of death. Although I am sure that if someone is really that desperate, they will not be thinking of consequences of their actions.

[CharlieO]

I cannot cope with your opinions glenn

[Redway]

What?

I know someone who killed himself because he got himself into a mountain of debt. He had a wife and two kids.

He left them to deal with his **** and bury him. Is that not selfish?

Yes, but that's just one circumstance. What about the times where people have no family? How's that selfish?

[Glenn.]

it angers me when people say its the easy way out or that it is selfish. I do not believe it is in any manor.

I believe it is courageous in fact, and beautiful in a sense. Because it is so against the norm and the person doesn't care. They're at a point of no return and nothingness is where they wish to float and i respect that.

Now that is a moronic response to suicide? It's s lot if things, beautiful isn't one of them.

[GypsyGoth]

What?

I know someone who killed himself because he got himself into a mountain of debt. He had a wife and two kids.

He left them to deal with his **** and bury him. Is that not selfish?

Suicide is not inherently selfish or altruistic. Suicide is just an act.

And for me to judge if that case was selfish, I'd have to know more about the situation.

[Redway]

claudia :worship:

[CharlieO]

Now that is a moronic response to suicide? It's s lot if things, beautiful isn't one of them.

and in my opinion selfish isn't one of them. As they say, each to their own.

[AnnieK]

Yes, but that's just one circumstance. What about the times where people have no family? How's that selfish?

I agree with this...each situation is different...

I know someone who lost his wife very young to cancer, they had no children and were each others life. Two weeks after her funeral, he took his own life as he could see no reason to live.

[Jake.]

I've read this thread so many times before, if it's going to be anything like the last one then just lock it now

[Glenn.]

Suicide is not inherently selfish or altruistic. Suicide is just an act.

And for me to judge if that case was selfish, I'd have to know more about the situation.

That's completely fair.

I'm basing my opinion on suicide to the only example of it I know. And in this case it was very selfish. He wasn't depressed, he was very bad with money and now his family have to pay the price.

[Redway]

Instead of just locking 'heated' threads I'd rather it was allowed to pan out a little further so Glenn can see just how stupid his views are.

[Ryan.]

What about those that are driven to suicide by, dare I say the b word, bullies?

[Glenn.]

and in my opinion selfish isn't one of them. As they say, each to their own.

That's fine. Just don't criticise my opinion when you make idiotic suggestions like 'suicide is beautiful'

[CharlieO]

That's completely fair.

I'm basing my opinion on suicide to the only example of it I know. And in this case it was very selfish. He wasn't depressed, he was very bad with money and now his family have to pay the price.

So instead he should have suffered with a monster eating away at his mental state? What was the other option?

[Redway]

That's completely fair.

I'm basing my opinion on suicide to the only example of it I know. And in this case it was very selfish. He wasn't depressed, he was very bad with money and now his family have to pay the price.

Yes, but you're basing an entire act based on just one person. You yourself have acknowledged that Claudia's example was completely fair and justified so why stick to your own personal experience? Surely they cancel each other out?

[thesheriff443]

Instead of just locking 'heated' threads I'd rather it was allowed to pan out a little further so Glenn can see just how stupid his views are.

stop saying members views are stupid its post like this that get threads closed!

[LemonJam]

It completely depends on the situation the person's in IMO. I don't think it's a black and white discussion whatsoever.

[Glenn.]

Instead of just locking 'heated' threads I'd rather it was allowed to pan out a little further so Glenn can see just how stupid his views are.

Stupid views? Only I thought it was just established that people have different views on things and they should be respected.
Or are your views superior to mine?

[AnnieK]

Suicide is not inherently selfish or altruistic. Suicide is just an act.

And for me to judge if that case was selfish, I'd have to know more about the situation.

Beautifully put... Completely agree

[Redway]

stop saying members views are stupid its post like this that get threads closed!

How about you stop telling people what to post? From what I've seen on these sort of threads all you offer is nonsense telling people not to post what you deem to be unacceptable. You seem far more interested in policing threads then actually contributing and if that's all you have to say could you not just ... piss off?

[thesheriff443]

It completely depends on the situation the person's in IMO. I don't think it's a black and white discussion whatsoever.

great post,some people are stronger than others.

[Glenn.]

So instead he should have suffered with a monster eating away at his mental state? What was the other option?

He didn't have a monster eating away at him.

[CharlieO]

He didn't have a monster eating away at him.

if he got to the point of committing suicide, he did.

[Redway]

Stupid views? Only I thought it was just established that people have different views on things and they should be respected.
Or are your views superior to mine?

Does that sort of attitude extend to racism and sexism? Do these also deserve respect because they're 'different views'?

[thesheriff443]

How about you stop telling people what to post? From what I've seen on these sort of threads all you offer is nonsense telling people not to post what you deem to be unacceptable. You seem far more interested in policing threads then actually contributing and if that's all you have to say could you not just ... piss off?

there is enough in your post for an infraction.
if you cant stay on topic without getting personal whats the point in you posting in this thread

[MTVN]

I don't think it's really fair to call people selfish because I don't think anyone but the person themselves can comprehend the mindset of a suicidal person and how they must feel to consider taking their own life to be the only possible solution to their problems

Also give it a rest Redway with going on about how stupid or idiotic people are because they disagree with you, if people can't debate it in a reasonable way then yes the thread will be closed

[Lee.]

There is no right or wrong answer to this question. It's one subject which is very personal and I for one wouldn't get into an argument as to whether it is selfish or an easy way out.

I think to some, suicide does seem the easy way out, to others it is the only way out.

[Glenn.]

Does that sort of attitude extend to racism and sexism? Do these also deserve respect because they're 'different views'?

That's a completely different argument. Racism and sexism is basically bullying. Nothing to do with the act of suicide.

You can't just call someone stupid because they disagree with you. It's not really a debate that is it?

[Lee.]

There is no right or wrong answer to this question. It's one subject which is very personal and I for one wouldn't get into an argument as to whether it is selfish or an easy way out.

I think to some, suicide does seem the easy way out, to others it is the only way out.

[Apple202]

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[Glenn.]

if he got to the point of committing suicide, he did.

No.

[Redway]

If someone was really that depressed then I don't see why they shouldn't be allowed to take their life if that will end the suffering...if they're genuinely suicidal then they're clearly in a very fragile state of mind and I don't think you can call someone selfish for being that depressed.

[Glenn.]

Sure.

[Vanessa]

If someone was really that depressed then I don't see why they shouldn't be allowed to take their life if that will end the suffering...if they're genuinely suicidal then they're clearly in a very fragile state of mind and I don't think you can call someone selfish for being that depressed.

I agree. It's all so sad. :(

[Ninastar]

who are you to say that someones opinion about this is wrong? :/

Anyway, i see it from both sides really. I think in some ways it's selfish, but I feel like a lot of the time it can't be helped.

[cassieparis]

It's not an easy way out. I think it's very tragic painful and hard.
However in the case of some of our most notorious killers who have done it or tried it I think it's easier than living with what they've done.

[Ammi]

...I've never felt like I wanted to end my life, so it's hard to imagine how much pain someone who does feels. I do know what it's like to suffer from depression though...and you lose all of your abilities and skills to cope...with anything..or anyone..just getting yourself through a day drains you. This means that you are unable to consider anyone else around you, their feelings or how it's affecting them..it's impossible to do. It's hard for people to understand that, because their mind is calm and rational...whereas yours is not. It may be that suicide is selfish, but I would doubt that person is capable of any thought other than to put an end to their pain. They also probably think that everyone around them would live a happier life without them.....

...people aren't always in control of their emotional pain and if a pain is intense, it's a natural reaction to want it to stop...that's not selfish..there is no rational or logical thought that would make it selfish....

[Vanessa]

...I've never felt like I wanted to end my life, so it's hard to imagine how much pain someone who does feels. I do know what it's like to suffer from depression though...and you lose all of your abilities and skills to cope...with anything..or anyone..just getting yourself through a day drains you. This means that you are unable to consider anyone else around you, their feelings or how it's affecting them..it's impossible to do. It's hard for people to understand that, because their mind is calm and rational...whereas yours is not. It may be that suicide is selfish, but I would doubt that person is capable of any thought other than to put an end to their pain. They also probably think that everyone around them would live a happier life without them.....

...people can't always in control of their emotional pain and if a pain is intense, it's a natural reaction to want it to stop...that's not selfish..there is no rational or logical thought that would make it selfish....

Great post, Ammi. :thumbs:

[Sam:)]

It actually is selfish, I've read something on facebook that made me change my mind

[Sam:)]

I'll spoiler it but here is what I was talking about
Wanna kill yourself? Imagine this. You come home from school one day. You've had yet another horrible day. You’re just ready to give up. So you go to your room, close the door, and take out that suicide note you've written and rewritten over and over and over. You take out those razor blades, and cut for the very last time. You grab that bottle of pills and take them all. Laying down, holding the letter to your chest, you close your eyes for the very last time. A few hours later, your little brother knocks on your door to come tell you dinners ready. You don’t answer, so he walks in. All he sees is you laying on your bed, so he thinks you’re asleep. He tells your mom this. Your mom goes to your room to wake you up. She notices something is odd. She grabs the paper in your hand and reads it. Sobbing, she tries to wake you up. She’s screaming your name. Your brother, so confused, runs to go tell Dad that “Mommy is crying and sissy won’t wake up.” Your dad runs to your room. He looks at your mom, crying, holding the letter to her chest, sitting next to your lifeless body. It hits him, what’s going on, and he screams. He screams and throws something at the wall. And then, falling to his knees, he starts to cry. Your mom crawls over to him, and they sit there, holding each other, crying. The next day at school, there’s an announcement. The principal tells everyone about your suicide. It takes a few seconds for it to sink in, and once it does, everyone goes silent. Everyone blames themselves. Your teachers think they were too hard on you. Those mean popular girls, they think of all the things they've said to you. That boy that used to tease you and call you names, he can’t help but hate himself for never telling you how beautiful you really are. Your ex boyfriend, the one that you told everything to, that broke up with you.. He can’t handle it. He breaks down and starts crying, and runs out of the school. Your friends? They’re sobbing too, wondering how they could never see that anything was wrong, wishing they could have helped you before it was too late. And your best friend? She’s in shock. She can’t believe it. She knew what you were going through, but she never thought it would get that bad… Bad enough for you to end it. She can’t cry, she can’t feel anything. She stands up, walks out of the classroom, and just sinks to the floor. Shaking, screaming, but no tears coming out. It’s a few days later, at your funeral. The whole town came. Everyone knew you, that girl with the bright smile and bubbly personality. The one that was always there for them, the shoulder to cry on. Lots of people talk about all the good memories they had with you, there were a lot. Everyone’s crying, your little brother still doesn't know you killed yourself, he’s too young. Your parents just said you died. It hurts him, a lot. You were his big sister, you were supposed to always be there for him. Your best friend, she stays strong through the entire service, but as soon as they start lowering your casket into the ground, she just loses it. She cries and cries and doesn't stop for days. It’s two years later. The whole school talks to a counselor/therapist at least once a week. Your teachers all quit their job. Those mean girls have eating disorders now. That boy that used to tease you cuts himself. Your ex boyfriend doesn't know how to love anymore and just sleeps around with girls. Your friends all go into depression. Your best friend? She tried to kill herself. She didn’t succeed like you did, but she tried… your brother? He finally found out the truth about your death. He self harms, he cries at night, he does exactly what you did for years leading up to your suicide. Your parents? Their marriage fell apart. Your dad became a workaholic to distract himself from your death. Your mum got diagnosed with depression and just lays in bed all day. People care. You may not think so, but they do. Your choices don’t just affect you. They affect everyone.

[arista]

No its not a good way out of Life.


Some women have taken there life
as the man they want
they can not have.


Thats so sad

[Glenn.]

I'll spoiler it but here is what I was talking about
Wanna kill yourself? Imagine this. You come home from school one day. You've had yet another horrible day. You’re just ready to give up. So you go to your room, close the door, and take out that suicide note you've written and rewritten over and over and over. You take out those razor blades, and cut for the very last time. You grab that bottle of pills and take them all. Laying down, holding the letter to your chest, you close your eyes for the very last time. A few hours later, your little brother knocks on your door to come tell you dinners ready. You don’t answer, so he walks in. All he sees is you laying on your bed, so he thinks you’re asleep. He tells your mom this. Your mom goes to your room to wake you up. She notices something is odd. She grabs the paper in your hand and reads it. Sobbing, she tries to wake you up. She’s screaming your name. Your brother, so confused, runs to go tell Dad that “Mommy is crying and sissy won’t wake up.” Your dad runs to your room. He looks at your mom, crying, holding the letter to her chest, sitting next to your lifeless body. It hits him, what’s going on, and he screams. He screams and throws something at the wall. And then, falling to his knees, he starts to cry. Your mom crawls over to him, and they sit there, holding each other, crying. The next day at school, there’s an announcement. The principal tells everyone about your suicide. It takes a few seconds for it to sink in, and once it does, everyone goes silent. Everyone blames themselves. Your teachers think they were too hard on you. Those mean popular girls, they think of all the things they've said to you. That boy that used to tease you and call you names, he can’t help but hate himself for never telling you how beautiful you really are. Your ex boyfriend, the one that you told everything to, that broke up with you.. He can’t handle it. He breaks down and starts crying, and runs out of the school. Your friends? They’re sobbing too, wondering how they could never see that anything was wrong, wishing they could have helped you before it was too late. And your best friend? She’s in shock. She can’t believe it. She knew what you were going through, but she never thought it would get that bad… Bad enough for you to end it. She can’t cry, she can’t feel anything. She stands up, walks out of the classroom, and just sinks to the floor. Shaking, screaming, but no tears coming out. It’s a few days later, at your funeral. The whole town came. Everyone knew you, that girl with the bright smile and bubbly personality. The one that was always there for them, the shoulder to cry on. Lots of people talk about all the good memories they had with you, there were a lot. Everyone’s crying, your little brother still doesn't know you killed yourself, he’s too young. Your parents just said you died. It hurts him, a lot. You were his big sister, you were supposed to always be there for him. Your best friend, she stays strong through the entire service, but as soon as they start lowering your casket into the ground, she just loses it. She cries and cries and doesn't stop for days. It’s two years later. The whole school talks to a counselor/therapist at least once a week. Your teachers all quit their job. Those mean girls have eating disorders now. That boy that used to tease you cuts himself. Your ex boyfriend doesn't know how to love anymore and just sleeps around with girls. Your friends all go into depression. Your best friend? She tried to kill herself. She didn’t succeed like you did, but she tried… your brother? He finally found out the truth about your death. He self harms, he cries at night, he does exactly what you did for years leading up to your suicide. Your parents? Their marriage fell apart. Your dad became a workaholic to distract himself from your death. Your mum got diagnosed with depression and just lays in bed all day. People care. You may not think so, but they do. Your choices don’t just affect you. They affect everyone.


Sums up my view on suicide perfectly

[Me. I Am Salman]

who are you to say that someones opinion about this is wrong? :/

Anyway, i see it from both sides really. I think in some ways it's selfish, but I feel like a lot of the time it can't be helped.

Agree with this

[Livia]

...I've never felt like I wanted to end my life, so it's hard to imagine how much pain someone who does feels. I do know what it's like to suffer from depression though...and you lose all of your abilities and skills to cope...with anything..or anyone..just getting yourself through a day drains you. This means that you are unable to consider anyone else around you, their feelings or how it's affecting them..it's impossible to do. It's hard for people to understand that, because their mind is calm and rational...whereas yours is not. It may be that suicide is selfish, but I would doubt that person is capable of any thought other than to put an end to their pain. They also probably think that everyone around them would live a happier life without them.....

...people aren't always in control of their emotional pain and if a pain is intense, it's a natural reaction to want it to stop...that's not selfish..there is no rational or logical thought that would make it selfish....

Exhibit A) Excellently executed post summing up from experience the pain and solitude of depression and touching on the emotional turmoil that people go through which distances them from the people they love and who love them.

It actually is selfish, I've read something on facebook that made me change my mind

Exhibit B) A conclusion reached on this very profound topic after reading something that was badly written in one ENORMOUS paragraph, on Facebook. Love ya Sam... but... no.

[Ninastar]

I think Sam is allowed his own opinion, but I agree that the facebook thing is total ****

[Livia]

I think Sam is allowed his own opinion, but I agree that the facebook thing is total ****

Oh yes, I agree. Sam is most certainly allowed his opinion. He's bright though; so it surprises me that his opinion comes from that piece. I don't mean to offend him.

[Glenn.]

But the underlining topic of the Facebook thing is true. People get hurt due to suicide.

I feel more for the people that have to pick up the pieces after someone they love kills themselves, not the person who kills themselves. If that makes me a stupid, heartless moron then :shrug:

[Ninastar]

Oh yes, I agree. Sam is most certainly allowed his opinion. He's bright though; so it surprises me that his opinion comes from that piece. I don't mean to offend him.

I hate reading these things on facebook, because even though they do have a point, they make so many kids believe it and then they become 'experts' on the subject.

[Sam:)]

Exhibit A) Excellently executed post summing up from experience the pain and solitude of depression and touching on the emotional turmoil that people go through which distances them from the people they love and who love them.



Exhibit B) A conclusion reached on this very profound topic after reading something that was badly written in one ENORMOUS paragraph, on Facebook. Love ya Sam... but... no.I think Sam is allowed his own opinion, but I agree that the facebook thing is total ****

I know its bull****... But it puts it into perspective. I mean your family are going to find you and never recover fully. Your friends feel like **** for not noticing. It really does affect everyone around you, leaving everyone around you unstable.

Oh and i've been sigged by Ninastar

[Livia]

I hate reading these things on facebook, because even though they do have a point, they make so many kids believe it and then they become 'experts' on the subject.

True. Articles like that are one-sided. Someone suffering from depression, as Ammi said, doesn't have the capacity to think about those around them. I don't think they have enough emotion left for anyone else. It's very sad all round.

[thesheriff443]

for me, if someone does it without seeking help then it is selfish and more so if its beacuse of debt.
for me, when you have tryed everything the last thing you try is again.

[Livia]

I know its bull****... But it puts it into perspective. I mean your family are going to find you and never recover fully. Your friends feel like **** for not noticing. It really does affect everyone around you, leaving everyone around you unstable.

Oh and i've been sigged by Ninastar

It only puts it into perspective Sam, for those left behind. It doesn't give any perspective about the nightmare world of someone low enough to kill themselves.

[Sam:)]

I hate reading these things on facebook, because even though they do have a point, they make so many kids believe it and then they become 'experts' on the subject.

I agree with this, You get people who actually do bully people thinking there all high and mighty by posting statuses. No amount of words can describe the pain caused from suicide, the effects it causes and the pain the people who kill themselves go through.

[Ninastar]

It only puts it into perspective Sam, for those left behind. It doesn't give any perspective about the nightmare world of someone low enough to kill themselves.

So many people don't care though. Especially teens on facebook. They have no idea how it feels to be that sad, and they don't care.

I swear younger kids are becoming more and more selfish. It's horrible

[Ninastar]

I agree with this, You get people who actually do bully people thinking there all high and mighty by posting statuses. No amount of words can describe the pain caused from suicide, the effects it causes and the pain the people who kill themselves go through.

you're right.

but facebook is fake as hell, and I wouldn't be surprised if the person who wrote that was a bully themselves, just looking for likes

[Sam:)]

It only puts it into perspective Sam, for those left behind. It doesn't give any perspective about the nightmare world of someone low enough to kill themselves.

As I said in the other post, Nobody can ever put into words how mentally tortured people who commit suicide. I dont think most people can even relate to it to any extent. I know we all have bad days etc. but going through so much pain constantly to the point you feel you cant live can never be understood fully, we can only Empathise the poor people who have to go through this.

[Sam:)]

you're right.

but facebook is fake as hell, and I wouldn't be surprised if the person who wrote that was a bully themselves, just looking for likes

Very true, often stuff like this is from the village ***** who wants everyone to think she is so intelligent and deep, but really she needs lots of likes to feel accepted.

[Ninastar]

I have a friend who is depressed atm, and she was telling me about how she's kept some pills. I was shocked when I heard this, but I've been constantly talking to her. Sometimes I feel a little annoyed because there's nothing in particular she's depressed about. But then I realise that's what depression is - you can't help feeling like ****.

Anyway, I've taken the pills off of her. I know there's still other ways, but I don't think she'd do that to her family.

[Sam:)]

I have a friend who is depressed atm, and she was telling me about how she's kept some pills. I was shocked when I heard this, but I've been constantly talking to her. Sometimes I feel a little annoyed because there's nothing in particular she's depressed about. But then I realise that's what depression is - you can't help feeling like ****.

Anyway, I've taken the pills off of her. I know there's still other ways, but I don't think she'd do that to her family.

Its terrible to think people get to this point, I mean we all get depressed at times but never to the point of thinking of finishing it all. Has your friend gone to a doctor?

[Ninastar]

Its terrible to think people get to this point, I mean we all get depressed at times but never to the point of thinking of finishing it all. Has your friend gone to a doctor?

she's always at the doctor

she doesn't want to go on meds, but I keep telling her that she needs to.

[thesheriff443]

I have a friend who is depressed atm, and she was telling me about how she's kept some pills. I was shocked when I heard this, but I've been constantly talking to her. Sometimes I feel a little annoyed because there's nothing in particular she's depressed about. But then I realise that's what depression is - you can't help feeling like ****.

Anyway, I've taken the pills off of her. I know there's still other ways, but I don't think she'd do that to her family.

depression is caused by a chemical not being produced in the brain,
unless you have been there you can never fully understand it.

[Sam:)]

she's always at the doctor

she doesn't want to go on meds, but I keep telling her that she needs to.

I think most people refuse to accept the pills, I never understood why... I guess taking them probably makes them feel like something is wrong with them or something (not saying there is)

[thesheriff443]

I think most people refuse to accept the pills, I never understood why... I guess taking them probably makes them feel like something is wrong with them or something (not saying there is)

one anti depresant was removed beacuse there where so many cases of suicide while people where taking them.

[Jords]

Its a difficult thing to do of course, but it is the easy "way out" of resolving/coping with something.

[Ninastar]

I think most people refuse to accept the pills, I never understood why... I guess taking them probably makes them feel like something is wrong with them or something (not saying there is)

She doesn't even take medicine if she gets a headache, so I think she struggles with the thought of taking meds for this

[thesheriff443]

She doesn't even take medicine if she gets a headache, so I think she struggles with the thought of taking meds for this

she is better off without them,
medication only covers up the cracks.

[Sam:)]

she is better off without them,
medication only covers up the cracks.

Not really, if someone is thinking of killing themselves they obviously need some help... These pills are proven to help and thats what she needs.

[Jake.]

she is better off without them,
medication only covers up the cracks.

No, medication helps people who need it to cope. If those with serious depression didn't take medication, the rate of suicides would be higher for starters.

[Ammi]

...I understand the facebook thing, from the black and white perspective of the effects on the other 'victims' of suicide. Of course it effects so many lives in so many ways, and that will stay with them forever. I can't imagine what it must be like for them. I don't think though, when people feel in such a dark place, that they're capable of any thought process which would consider anything beyond their darkness...in the same respect, it's hard for anyone who hasn't been in that dark place to understand either.....

....I doubt that people who find themselves there would think of it as an 'easy' way out....but as the only solution....

...of course it's a permanent solution, which can never be undone and has a devasting effect on so many people...in an ideal world, someone would have the capability of thinking..oh I need medication, therapy..etc...something to help me get my balance right....
...unfortunately, it doesn't work that way...in some places, thought process is impossible

[Pyramid*]

All manner of things are the catalyst to a person taking their own life.

From someone who was left having to deal with the aftermath: I have a double edged view on this. Is it selfish? Yes - for those that are left but I do not for one second imagine that the person committing the act can see further than trying to 'stop the pain/suffering/ending the problem' - so intense it is for them. They feel there is no other way out and aren't able to rationalise past that because they are emotionally not in the right place. From the point of those left behind - I think it is selfish - albeit not being done out of selfishness deliberately: that's the kicker, it's not a deliberate attempt at being selfish: but of not being able to see any other way out, and the mistaken belief that the family is better of without them - they believe THEY are the cause of the problem.

Many of us with a few decades under our belts, have gone through life being 'pushed to the limit / depressed / stressed /worried sick' to the point that we think we cannot take any more: not to the point of being suicidal: but to the point that we think we will 'crack' if having to put up with more 'pressure' - imagine that on a very grand scale - and that's what I imagine the person planning to take their own life has reached. They simply 'crack'.

The flip side is that I think it takes an unparalled amount of courage to go about ending your life to ensure that there are no mistakes and that it will result in death - I cannot even begin to imagine the fear inside as the person makes those final steps and stages - to not stop. Particularly when it is a suicide that is not 'quick' but one that takes time to effect - when there would have been enough time to put a halt to it. To override that fear and fight that natural inbuilt ability for the body to survive - I imagine - must be one of the most hellish feeling to have to ride out whilst waiting for death to come.

[Pyramid*]

depression is caused by a chemical not being produced in the brain,
unless you have been there you can never fully understand it.

she is better off without them,
medication only covers up the cracks.

The way to correct that chemical imbalance is by taking medication - until the balance may be restored. (of course there are those who have to remain on medication for a very long time).

[Alf]

is suicide the easy way out?

i dont know, i haven't tried it

[billy123]

Has anybody here ever seen the documentary The bridge it is a very emotional and well made documentary made in 2006 where a film company filmed the golden gate bridge solidly for a year a place where nearly 1 person every week decides to end their lives and caught many of those moments on film and followed them up with interviews with the familys of the jumpers.

The subject is very sensitive and very emotive yet very well dealt with and goes into depth with the events that lead up to the sometimes quite distressing scenes that were captured during the years filming.

Some of the familys had even come to terms with the fact that loved ones were due to be lost within the next few weeks and had asked the jumpers just for a quick call to say goodbye before they went.

It is available to watch online but i wont post it here as it contains quite upsetting scenes so its just the trailer.
Zwl-Pa_QT0M

There are always two sides to a story and there is no right and wrong in a subject like this but some of the comments calling the act of suicide "a beautiful thing" or calling someone elses opinion "idiotic" or "moronic" or "ridiculous" is both out of line and outright silly.

The act of suicide that is deemed essential by the person that commits it can also be viewed as the easy way out by people who cared about that person none of them are wrong and certainly shouldnt be criticised for thinking that way.

Mental illness is a horrible saddening and still not a widely understood disease and it doesnt just effect the sufferer it effects their whole family and everybody they know.

[thesheriff443]

All manner of things are the catalyst to a person taking their own life.

From someone who was left having to deal with the aftermath: I have a double edged view on this. Is it selfish? Yes - for those that are left but I do not for one second imagine that the person committing the act can see further than trying to 'stop the pain/suffering/ending the problem' - so intense it is for them. They feel there is no other way out and aren't able to rationalise past that because they are emotionally not in the right place. From the point of those left behind - I think it is selfish - albeit not being done out of selfishness deliberately: that's the kicker, it's not a deliberate attempt at being selfish: but of not being able to see any other way out, and the mistaken belief that the family is better of without them - they believe THEY are the cause of the problem.

Many of us with a few decades under our belts, have gone through life being 'pushed to the limit / depressed / stressed /worried sick' to the point that we think we cannot take any more: not to the point of being suicidal: but to the point that we think we will 'crack' if having to put up with more 'pressure' - imagine that on a very grand scale - and that's what I imagine the person planning to take their own life has reached. They simply 'crack'.

The flip side is that I think it takes an unparalled amount of courage to go about ending your life to ensure that there are no mistakes and that it will result in death - I cannot even begin to imagine the fear inside as the person makes those final steps and stages - to not stop. Particularly when it is a suicide that is not 'quick' but one that takes time to effect - when there would have been enough time to put a halt to it. To override that fear and fight that natural inbuilt ability for the body to survive - I imagine - must be one of the most hellish feeling to have to ride out whilst waiting for death to come.

great post!
suicide comes in many forms and every person and their situation is different,
it can be triggered by all sorts problems and fear,s
at the point someone decides to kill them self they are detacheted from real life and and their heads are raceing and over loaded ,
i too have real experiences with this subject.

on the selfish part i will add this,
image being in resuse with someone you love they are lying life less on the table and the only sound you can hear is the heart monitor you watch them as they take each breath not knowing if it will be their last,
then as you sit there you think of your young daughter at home in bed.you think if she dies how am i going to face telling her in the morning that her mum is dead!.
at that point you think of the person on the table as sefish.

[AnnieK]

All manner of things are the catalyst to a person taking their own life.

From someone who was left having to deal with the aftermath: I have a double edged view on this. Is it selfish? Yes - for those that are left but I do not for one second imagine that the person committing the act can see further than trying to 'stop the pain/suffering/ending the problem' - so intense it is for them. They feel there is no other way out and aren't able to rationalise past that because they are emotionally not in the right place. From the point of those left behind - I think it is selfish - albeit not being done out of selfishness deliberately: that's the kicker, it's not a deliberate attempt at being selfish: but of not being able to see any other way out, and the mistaken belief that the family is better of without them - they believe THEY are the cause of the problem.

Many of us with a few decades under our belts, have gone through life being 'pushed to the limit / depressed / stressed /worried sick' to the point that we think we cannot take any more: not to the point of being suicidal: but to the point that we think we will 'crack' if having to put up with more 'pressure' - imagine that on a very grand scale - and that's what I imagine the person planning to take their own life has reached. They simply 'crack'.

The flip side is that I think it takes an unparalled amount of courage to go about ending your life to ensure that there are no mistakes and that it will result in death - I cannot even begin to imagine the fear inside as the person makes those final steps and stages - to not stop. Particularly when it is a suicide that is not 'quick' but one that takes time to effect - when there would have been enough time to put a halt to it. To override that fear and fight that natural inbuilt ability for the body to survive - I imagine - must be one of the most hellish feeling to have to ride out whilst waiting for death to come.

Great post, eloquently put. This pretty much sums up my feelings on this matter. I think until you are at that point it is completely impossible to understand the thought process that people go through.

For those on here with personal experience of this awful subject my thoughts are with you.

[Benjamin]

Has anybody here ever seen the documentary The bridge it is a very emotional and well made documentary made in 2006 where a film company filmed the golden gate bridge solidly for a year a place where nearly 1 person every week decides to end their lives and caught many of those moments on film and followed them up with interviews with the familys of the jumpers.

The subject is very sensitive and very emotive yet very well dealt with and goes into depth with the events that lead up to the sometimes quite distressing scenes that were captured during the years filming.

Some of the familys had even come to terms with the fact that loved ones were due to be lost within the next few weeks and had asked the jumpers just for a quick call to say goodbye before they went.

It is available to watch online but i wont post it here as it contains quite upsetting scenes so its just the trailer.
Zwl-Pa_QT0M

There are always two sides to a story and there is no right and wrong in a subject like this but some of the comments calling the act of suicide "a beautiful thing" or calling someone elses opinion "idiotic" or "moronic" or "ridiculous" is both out of line and outright silly.

The act of suicide that is deemed essential by the person that commits it can also be viewed as the easy way out by people who cared about that person none of them are wrong and certainly shouldnt be criticised for thinking that way.

Mental illness is a horrible saddening and still not a widely understood disease and it doesnt just effect the sufferer it effects their whole family and everybody they know.


I've heard of this documentary and have been meaning to watch ot for a while, but keep putting it off.

There is something about suicide that fascinates me (morbid as it may sound) but the state of mind in somebody that chooses to end their life must be so hard to comprehend.

And just to throw this out there for those that say all suicide is selfish, what about those that jumped from the towers in 9/11. They knew they were going to die either way, it was either burn or jump. Was that a selfish act?

[Ammi]

I've heard of this documentary and have been meaning to watch ot for a while, but keep putting it off.

There is something about suicide that fascinates me (morbid as it may sound) but the state of mind in somebody that chooses to end their life must be so hard to comprehend.

And just to throw this out there for those that say all suicide is selfish, what about those that jumped from the towers in 9/11. They knew they were going to die either way, it was either burn or jump. Was that a selfish act?

..maybe it was a choice of death...or possibly just an instinctive reaction..?

...it's not something that will ever get answered...only hope that we're never in that situation to be able to know, ourselves...

[thesheriff443]

Not really, if someone is thinking of killing themselves they obviously need some help... These pills are proven to help and thats what she needs.

this is one of those, you have to have been there and done that,
in my last post i said more people where killing them selfes while in the early stages of taking meds,
meds block the receptors in your brain,

[thesheriff443]

I've heard of this documentary and have been meaning to watch ot for a while, but keep putting it off.

There is something about suicide that fascinates me (morbid as it may sound) but the state of mind in somebody that chooses to end their life must be so hard to comprehend.

And just to throw this out there for those that say all suicide is selfish, what about those that jumped from the towers in 9/11. They knew they were going to die either way, it was either burn or jump. Was that a selfish act?

..maybe it was a choice of death...or possibly just an instinctive reaction..?

...it's not something that will ever get answered...only hope that we're never in that situation to be able to know, ourselves...
you are talking about two totaly different situations and trying to compare them,


i knew someone that had a brain tumor that was going to kill him at somepoint,
he had a row with his wife beacuse the tumor was changeing him as a person,
he went and hung him self!
every situation and reasons behind suicide are different.

[Glenn.]

The 9/11 issue is completely different. The jumpers knew they were going to die and chose to do it their way.

[Pyramid*]

this is one of those, you have to have been there and done that,
in my last post i said more people where killing them selfes while in the early stages of taking meds,
meds block the receptors in your brain,

that's a very good point. Many antid's for example: do state that feelings of suicide may be felt, or increased during the initial stages of being on the medication.



The point that UKT made about what goes through the mind of a person taking their own life being so very difficult to comprehend - I'd say that was pretty spot on. People who have never had a (serious) thought about suicide and have never seriously contemplated it: quite simply are dumfounded as to how bad a person must be, the depths of despair that are reached that makes them decide that is the only option available.

Understandably - it is incredibly puzzling to others never having experienced that depth of despair, ie; the need (or rather 'the want') of another human wanting to take their own life. I think that's the very hard part for people to come to terms with.

The 9/11 situation I think isn't quite the same. The poor people knew they were in reality, going to die: and chose what they possibly saw as a less painful, less horrific way rather than burn alive. Well, that's not a given obviously, It's what I'd imagine went through their heads - as well as some possible irrational thought that perhaps they could survive the jump?

[chuff me dizzy]

No ,I think its far from an easy way out,it takes guts

[the truth]

i dont think its a matter of easy or not easy, nothing is easy. it also varies totally on personal situations and of course health too

it is the quickest way out, whereas rebuilding a life take long term planning, luck, hard work, dedication, vision, strong will, time, imagination, usually good friends and family too

id advice anyone who feels that low to think again. find things that you enjoy, take comfort in the smaller things in life, the landscape, a gentle walk, a cup of tea, stroking your cat, I have to say I think alcohol is a total waste of time and energy too, as is smoking and drugs, utterly mindless preoccupations....i wish someone in power would just come out and say, smoking drinking and drugs is plain stupid....try and enjoy a sunday free of hangovers, sickness, debts, injuries from fighting, free from drug addiction, sometimes we go for the big things and dont take enough pleasure in the little things, try and remember your dreams as a child, not just i want to be an astronaut, but i want to ride a horse, walk up snowdon, swim in the sea, fly a kite, ride your bike, build a boat, write a play, learn to play music, read all those great books....stay sober, avoid conflict, save your energy and engage in positive creative pursuits

[thesheriff443]

No ,I think its far from an easy way out,it takes guts

it takes more guts to face it head on and think of your children up stairs in their beds!

dying is easy its living thats hard!

[the truth]

to all those down or depressed or frustrated private message me, I the truth will always at least try to cheer you up. I believe most problems are practical and physical, if you can ease the practical and physical problems, then you can attack the mental, spiritual emotional, thats just my theory

but better that that, may I suggest you get a copy of desiderate on your wall and have a read every other day

Desiderata-Lust for life!

Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence.
As far as possible without surrender be on good terms with all persons.
Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even the dull and ignorant; they too have their story.
Avoid loud and aggressive persons, they are vexations to the spirit.
If you compare yourself with others, you may become vain and bitter;
for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.
Keep interested in your career, however humble; it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time.
Exercise caution in your business affairs; for the world is full of trickery.
But let this not blind you to what virtue there is; many persons strive for high ideals;
and everywhere life is full of heroism.

Be yourself.
Especially, do not feign affection.
Neither be critical about love; for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment it is as perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of youth.
Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune. But do not distress yourself with imaginings.
Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness. Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself.

You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars;
you have a right to be here.
And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be,
and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul.
With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy.

© Max Ehrmann 1927

[Livia]

to all those down or depressed or frustrated private message me, I the truth will always at least try to cheer you up. I believe most problems are practical and physical, if you can ease the practical and physical problems, then you can attack the mental, spiritual emotional, thats just my theory.............. etc. etc. etc.


I think if someone was so depressed they were contemplating suicide, reciting the Desiderata isn't going to help much. Neither is telling them to go for long walks and to take pleasure in the little things. If they could do that, they would.