austerity measures - please protest in london

[waterhog]

austerity measures protest - please protest even if you disagree with my style 20.10.12

no this is not wrong,
its all above board and legal,
because instead of the government scrutinizing us,
on our anger they can keep a eye that's eagle.
i hope there is trouble,
and on a mass scale,
the conservatives just want to punish,
not a good time to mention George Osborne on rail.
they are arrogant and disgraceful,
Andrew Lansley today did permanently strike,
yet again more proof,
this is due to the incident with his bike.
if anyone reads this,
i would beg you to protest,
this is your opportunity,
to clear your anger from your chest.
go and march please,
i will send my poem and publicize,
yes i will be there,
because protesting in person beats a riddle exercise.


( hello everyone on this forum. as you can see i have done one more strange poem. this is all about the march that is taking place today. 20.10.12 in London. i would erge everyone to turn up because the more people we have the more power we have. it is not right or in anyway correct what the conservative party are doing and we have to tell them and stop this in the only way we can - in numbers. i will be reading some of my poetry with a loud speaker in central London today JOKE. can not wait to see how it is portrayed on the news tonight.does anyone disagree with us protesting ? does anyone think this government is doing good for the normal person ? if so please tell me and explain.yes i sent my poem to the con party first - as i wanted to have the first dig. )

[arista]

NO

[Kazanne]

Why not write poems about the GOOD stuff this government is doing ,(Unemployment is actually down)it's there if you care to look,hell ,no I wont be protesting,it's time people stopped spitting their dummies out and get on with helping to get this country on it's feet again,we are getting there slowly,

[arista]

Why not write poems about the GOOD stuff this government is doing ,(Unemployment is actually down)it's there if you care to look,hell ,no I wont be protesting,it's time people stopped spitting their dummies out and get on with helping to get this country on it's feet again,we are getting there slowly,


I agree

[Pyramid*]

NO

Why not write poems about the GOOD stuff this government is doing ,(Unemployment is actually down)it's there if you care to look,hell ,no I wont be protesting,it's time people stopped spitting their dummies out and get on with helping to get this country on it's feet again,we are getting there slowly,

Couldn't agree more with both these posts.

There's an awful lot I disagree with regarding the current Government - same when it was Labour.

Too many moaners - usually coming from the ones who don't actually doa great deal to help get the feet back on it's feet again. Times are tough all over, that's the way it is.

OP - if you want this kind of thing: nip over to Athens and see how you enjoy peaceful protests when go very wrong. - then realise the damage caused, the cost of having to police such protests, additional costs to the NHS via ambulance crews, A&E having to deal with the injuries etc. ......

[thesheriff443]

protesting does not work,but neither does voteing!.
i dont like being spood fed bullsh*t,
why is the goverment letting the energy companies put the prices up just before winter?
let them put them up in summer and lower them in winter!.
the poorest people will sit in there council house when its to cold to sleep!
i cant see any mp's being cold this winter.

[Jack_]

Why not write poems about the GOOD stuff this government is doing ,(Unemployment is actually down)it's there if you care to look,hell ,no I wont be protesting,it's time people stopped spitting their dummies out and get on with helping to get this country on it's feet again,we are getting there slowly,

Yeah, all while there's tax cuts for millionaires as those at the bottom are forced into choosing between eating and heating, struggling to make ends meet and those on welfare are lambasted by the government and media for a problem that they didn't create. Congratulations for lapping it up and falling for the spin.

[waterhog]

thank you jack - i feel a love of my life poem just for you jack.

[joeysteele]

I wouldn't join the protesters,although I admire people who do make some effort to point out how wrong some of the measures put in place by this Govt are.
I believe some austerity measures are necessary but I would prefer to see the strongest and richest and also the Banks in particular getting the same sledgehammer treatment that the weakest,poorest and most vulnerable have had taken to them.

A big store near me has proudly boasted that it has taken on 10 more staff this last 4 months,which sounds wonderful and a start, until I learned from some of the staff that the 90 staff they already employ have had their hours cut from 37 guranteed a week to 33 guaranteed now, which in effect means the 10 staff taken on at 33 hours a week have gained a job but the staff already employed there for years have lost 4 hours income per week each.
It also means the Store has gained 30 hours less of wages to pay each week too.

While it is true that the 90 staff have held most of their hours and therefore remain employed, it is at a financial loss to them.
The employment figures too,also now contain more people in part time jobs than at any time in employment history.
That is how the unemployment figures are seemingly falling not because of economic successes.

The Govt had hard choices to make and I largely supported them but it is the great lack of compassion I have learned as to the cuts against the weakest and even the most vulnerable in society which leaves me cold I am afraid.
It is also why the Protesters will be totally ignored by the Govt,both parties of the Coalition.
It is why, especially after all the even more unfair and heartless policies come into effect through 2013 and 2014, that this lot will be well and truly sent packing by the voters in 2015.
However, what a very weak choice there is as to the only likely alternative.

[arista]

Dork Labour leader Miliband

Was Booo'd at the rally.

[joeysteele]

Dork Labour leader Miliband

Was Booo'd at the rally.

I think that will actually be of benefit to him and do him some good though, it doesn't fit with the charge he is in the Unions pockets if he gets booed when he makes a point as to any likely policy he may do and most of them don't like what they hear.
He said he too would have to be making some cuts, the protesters don't want any and that is really impossible.

[lostalex]

Starve the poor
they'll die
faster

[lostalex]

yay! I did poetry :D

did you see what i did there? cause "faster" at the end, refers to capitalism moving at faster and faster speeds, always moving, always pushing forward as fast as possible, like a car out of control. But also "faster" like a person who is fasting, not eating, like the starving people who have nothing and who will be run over by the out of control car.

that was clever, right?

[MTVN]

Dork Labour leader Miliband

Was Booo'd at the rally.

Good, the Unions should have nothing to do with Labour

[joeysteele]

Starve the poor
they'll die
faster

Actually,that is possibly going to happen in the UK with the way some of this Govts austerity measures and cuts are going to hit the most vulnerable.
It is why I cannot now support the measures they are doing,the way they are implementing them.

(By the way Lostalex, welcome back,good to see you posting again).

[lostalex]

(By the way Lostalex, welcome back,good to see you posting again).

muchos gracias mi amor.

[waterhog]

and while we continue to let them dictate the the poorest pay the most of the debt - the bigger measures there will be. if we all go on the street and continually say we are not happy they will have to look into the sytem an make changes and that would in-turn stop them getting all there exspences paid - there 11 weeks holiday etc etc second houses and how about a massive cut in there pay ? i dont no about you lot but i am sickened by the MPS wages as i dont feel they are serving any of us as the laws they pass go aginst the working hard - this needs to be nipped in the bud but it won't as people can not understand politics and show no interest and that is why it gets harder and harder for the ones at the bottom while the educated on good wages keep voting the conseratives who inturn look after them by intoducing tax breaks and making them pay the lowest in tax with all there accountants they no all the tricks - ITS PURE CORRUPTION. and daivid C is aware of all what goes on. shame on him.

[Alf]

get of our streets you soap dodgers

[Pyramid*]

and while we continue to let them dictate the the poorest pay the most of the debt -

the bigger measures there will be. if we all go on the street and continually say we are not happy they will have to look into the sytem an make changes and that would in-turn stop them getting all there exspences paid - there 11 weeks holiday etc etc second houses and how about a massive cut in there pay ? i dont no about you lot but i am sickened by the MPS wages as i dont feel they are serving any of us as the laws they pass go aginst the working hard - this needs to be nipped in the bud but it won't as people can not understand politics and show no interest and that is why it gets harder and harder for the ones at the bottom while the educated on good wages keep voting the conseratives who inturn look after them by intoducing tax breaks and making them pay the lowest in tax with all there accountants they no all the tricks - ITS PURE CORRUPTION. and daivid C is aware of all what goes on. shame on him.

the poorest pay most of the debt?

Really.!! Good god.. you really need to get in touch with reality.

The poorest don't tend to have their own mortgages to ensure they keep a roof over their heads (and the don't have the comfort of being able to rely on the Government to pay for their social housing during lean times). Those with mortgages receive very little help (if at all)..... and are expected to pay additional premiums to 'protect themselves' in times of hardship such as being unexpected long term illnesses, losing jobs etc. Even if they are struggling on basic salaries.

the Poorest receive free dental treatment which isn't available to those working ...even those who are really struggling to get by on the basic min wages, but still they are not allowed free dental treatment.

So quit with the sob story here... please!


I make no bones about this..... the very low (unbelievably low) payments that are made to those in genuine times of hardship are a joke - an absolute joke ...... but thanks to those types who bleed the system dry (yer every con man who knows every trick in the book, the asylum seekers that know more about benefits that our own countryfolk, and MP's etc who are claim for every goddam thing - including those rescinding on what they agreed etc).......

Please... give it a rest about the poor.

If you want to see poor.... go take a trip to Kenya, Ethiopia, better than that, have a look at where ever you live and it's your local city centre.

Ever done any voluntary work for the homeless? I have, I do and have done for years. That opens up your eyes a whole lot..... Does it make me feel good? Not one bit, it makes me sick when I realise the crap that I find time to moan about in my own life. I see these poor forgotten souls - who are POOR - and many through real ****ty circumstances.... People who literally have not a penny to their name, no homes, no food, no every night shelter, no warmth, no hot water, no comfort... sweet FA ...... get your act together when you refer to 'the poor'.

Some people really need to look outside their own little priviledged boxes and start to try to even begin to comprehend what the word 'poor' means.

Living off the state, in a warm house, with water, electricity, gas, food, comfort, tv, internet, mobile phones is not POOR. It's called going through hard times... something that hits many of us and we get through it thanks to the government doing all they can to ensure we dont' end up on the streets. Get yourself a mortage: then that's when it all goes tits up if it all comes crashing down.

Time people woke up.

[Pyramid*]

get of our streets you soap dodgers


You do realise this is a serious discussion.

What part of your comment is meant to be taken seriously?

Many people take part in protests...... not all 'soap dodgers' as you put it.

If you want to confirm that.... have a look at the very high upper crust arseholes who end up in the courts due to their behaviour during protests....people who have not one thing to ever EVER worry about in their lives given their status and money made available to them which they use to their own advantage, but then take part in these protests because they want to be seen as some pathetic 'radical' types.

[Alf]

You do realise this is a serious discussion.

What part of your comment is meant to be taken seriously?

Many people take part in protests...... not all 'soap dodgers' as you put it.

If you want to confirm that.... have a look at the very high upper crust arseholes who end up in the courts due to their behaviour during protests....people who have not one thing to ever EVER worry about in their lives given their status and money made available to them which they use to their own advantage, but then take part in these protests because they want to be seen as some pathetic 'radical' types.
check out mr serious head
:sleep:

[Pyramid*]

check out mr serious head
:sleep:

See...this being the SERIOUS DEBATES part of the forum: it kinda gives the game away with the title. It's about those discussing serious topics, with serious responses: regardless of whether agreement is met.

However if you, Wannashag, want to meet Takethepish, then I very respectfully and humbly refer to you to this part of the forum.



http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=41

[Alf]

See...this being the SERIOUS DEBATES part of the forum: it kinda gives the game away with the title. It's about those discussing serious topics, with serious responses: regardless of whether agreement is met.

However if you, Wannashag, want to meet Takethepish, then I very respectfully and humbly refer to you to this part of the forum.



http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=41
who do you think you are? telling people what they can and cant do
what a snob

[Pyramid*]

who do you think you are? telling people what they can and cant do
what a snob

Nothing at all snobbish about requesting for members to keep posts on topic - it's actually trying to steer and maintain the integrity of the thread.

It's called HAVING respect for the forum as well as showing a modicum of respect to the OP, regardless of whether one agrees with OP or not..

would of course be nice for a moderator to confirm this though.

[Kizzy]

Please don't get warthogs thread closed ...
Civil unrest happens when people are not happy, right now unemployed people are not happy, employed people are not happy, people in social housing are not happy, people with morgages are not happy, people who live in private rented accommodation are not happy...
Do you see where i'm going with this? Only a tiny percentage of the population are happy, this is not conducive to a happy society with happy communities.
Something has to change.

[joeysteele]

Please don't get warthogs thread closed ...
Civil unrest happens when people are not happy, right now unemployed people are not happy, employed people are not happy, people in social housing are not happy, people with morgages are not happy, people who live in private rented accommodation are not happy...
Do you see where i'm going with this? Only a tiny percentage of the population are happy, this is not conducive to a happy society with happy communities.
Something has to change.

This post is in my view accurate, also definitely something has to change and more to the point this Govt needs to be made to change its policy, it has and is going too far, too quickly, unjustly and in a totally heartless fashion too.

If its policy was working and the deficit was already near cut by half,also that the number of vacancies for jobs was up in the private sector to a great deal more than the around 500,000 it has been at for the last 2 years then the Govt could claim some success.

As it is, the vacancies are not coming forward in any major way from the private sector, unemployment although falling is still in this day and age at over 2.5 million and while the deficit was cut by only 25% in 2 and a half years,(nowhere near the target it needed to be), is now on the rise again due to the Govt having to do new and substantial borrowing because we have no growth to fund what is needed,since their polices have taken the UK back into recession and for the foreseeable future will leave us with very small growth once out of it again.

No wonder the Country is moaning.The Coalition Govt has simply failed, and its policies are not right or conducive to stimulate the growth and confidence the economy needs now and fast too.

[waterhog]

i would just like to point out to everyone that has just knocked me and my understanding. i am not saying the people on benefits pay the highest tax - as of course they do not - what i am saying is - if you are in a low paid job most of the wages is eated up byt tax - and if you are in a job just a tiny bit over the tax limit - and you miss out on claiming benefits - then life is one struggle.

i don't no how anyone can defend anyone on a salary of over £50 k a year can dare say the people on benefits have life to easy and have everything paid for them - its just because they are in a job that is so finacially rewarding that they have never had worrys of the average person struggling.

i really feel i wont get through to anyone so i accept we all see things different.

[Pyramid*]

Please don't get warthogs thread closed ...
Civil unrest happens when people are not happy, right now unemployed people are not happy, employed people are not happy, people in social housing are not happy, people with morgages are not happy, people who live in private rented accommodation are not happy...
Do you see where i'm going with this? Only a tiny percentage of the population are happy, this is not conducive to a happy society with happy communities.
Something has to change.

totally 100% agree and understand where you are going with this ...


I can say with hand on heart, that it matters not a jot....... the standard of intelligence to run an country as far as ANY UK contenders is concerned : is a joke. this has been proven over the last recent years: young shoulders simply have not enough understanding..... they may have the academic intelligence, but they lack the real life (that crap phrase but so true'' uni of life'') experience. These recent leaders are too young.....


Cameron is a joke, as is Milliband. As was Major, as was Brown. Too young, so full of the " I can sort this out""... too much of a 'know it all'.

Not one of them have any iota how to run a country.

Nor do I.... therefore I appreciate the exceptional difficulties any leader faces............................... we only see the part of the picture that directly affects US personally.

what I DO object to is those who chose to vote these people - and now find fault, moan and decry their policies infacto.............................. learn to live and understand when BS is spoken and knowing that all that is promised is absolulutely impossible.


Thing that pisses me off is: it matters not a jot who is in government: they cannot please all of the people all of the time: but by christ: if you (not you personally Kiz, I mean UK voters overall), are going to vote for a particular party: then at least stand by yoru vote, stand by your belief rather than be a turn coat and turn tail at the first sign of trouble and discontent.

Young guns are never going to bring anything good to this country regardless of which party they stand for: they simply don t' have the very basic requirement of having lived through decades and decades upon which to compare.

[Alf]

i would just like to point out to everyone that has just knocked me and my understanding. i am not saying the people on benefits pay the highest tax - as of course they do not - what i am saying is - if you are in a low paid job most of the wages is eated up byt tax - and if you are in a job just a tiny bit over the tax limit - and you miss out on claiming benefits - then life is one struggle.

i don't no how anyone can defend anyone on a salary of over £50 k a year can dare say the people on benefits have life to easy and have everything paid for them - its just because they are in a job that is so finacially rewarding that they have never had worrys of the average person struggling.

i really feel i wont get through to anyone so i accept we all see things different.
the oppertunities are out there for anybody to be in a 50k a year job, it's about ambition,determination and getting off your backside and doing it.
some people have that inside them and some people dont, you sound like your on the side of them that dont.

[Pyramid*]

i would just like to point out to everyone that has just knocked me and my understanding. i am not saying the people on benefits pay the highest tax - as of course they do not - what i am saying is - if you are in a low paid job most of the wages is eated up byt tax - and if you are in a job just a tiny bit over the tax limit - and you miss out on claiming benefits - then life is one struggle.

i don't no how anyone can defend anyone on a salary of over £50 k a year can dare say the people on benefits have life to easy and have everything paid for them - its just because they are in a job that is so finacially rewarding that they have never had worrys of the average person struggling.

i really feel i wont get through to anyone so i accept we all see things different.


Dunnoe about you but far as I'm aware, those on any salary on the £50K bracket is taxed at not a kick on the arse for almost 50% of that salary.

Ie; doctors, surgeons etc.

I actually owe much to a surgeon who was most likely on double your £50K figure....................................... who disputed what was a cancerous lump in my throat, vs a non cancerous one.

I'm quite happy for guys like that to be earning high salaries: that man happened to prevent me from going through a shedload of treatment that was actually unnecessary as well as allowing me to leave hospital after a week rather than being subject to treatment at great expense which I would not have needed.

So hey: I welcome these £50k plus salary earners. Things are relative 'Hog...... one size does not fit all.

[joeysteele]

i would just like to point out to everyone that has just knocked me and my understanding. i am not saying the people on benefits pay the highest tax - as of course they do not - what i am saying is - if you are in a low paid job most of the wages is eated up byt tax - and if you are in a job just a tiny bit over the tax limit - and you miss out on claiming benefits - then life is one struggle.

i don't no how anyone can defend anyone on a salary of over £50 k a year can dare say the people on benefits have life to easy and have everything paid for them - its just because they are in a job that is so finacially rewarding that they have never had worrys of the average person struggling.

i really feel i wont get through to anyone so i accept we all see things different.

I get your point and agree with it too.

[Pyramid*]

I get your point and agree with it too.

You agree that anyone who has such a job that they have immense pressure place upon them and earn £50K plus ... are somehow very priviledged? People who work 90+ hours a week are on call and are (for example) PERSONALLY responsible for saving lives, personally responsible for the decision they make every day of their working lives which surmounts to whether somone may live of die?


I look forward to seeing if you have the same view when you have 20 / 30 years of experience under your belt in a very select type of profession that requires the upmost skills and decades of exprience.

Otherswise, you're opinion Joey is folly.... given without any real thought. Perhaps you should experience what it feels like to have a loved one's live hanging in the balance of an 'overpaid' surgeon - before deciding how you feel about their salary? Just somethign for you to consider.

[Kizzy]

Joe, unorthodox as you are your message is always cosher ;)
Joey, You will one day make a great politician as you know a whole is only as strong as the sum of it's parts.
pyra, Thatcher will never govern again, get over it... :)

[Pyramid*]

Joe, unorthodox as you are your message is always cosher ;)
Joey, You will one day make a great politician as you know a whole is only as strong as the sum of it's parts.
pyra, Thatcher will never govern again, get over it... :)


Never liked Thatcher that much kiz ...so nowt much to get over... :)

I'd also consider you comment to me as incrediby rude and uncecessary.... you know how you mentioned about stop making things personal..... maybe take a leaf out of your own book Kiz.

[Kizzy]

Never liked Thatcher that much kiz ...so nowt much to get over... :)

I'd also consider you comment to me as incrediby rude and uncecessary.... you know how you mentioned about stop making things personal..... maybe take a leaf out of your own book Kiz.

Sorry pyra, when you mentioned cam and co were too young I assumed you were hankering after the good old bad old days of the magster?

[Pyramid*]

Sorry pyra, when you mentioned cam and co were too young I assumed you were hankering after the good old bad old days of the magster?


See that's what happens Kiz when you assume.....I also happened to mention Major and Brown....

However, your apology is accepted.

[the truth]

lets all encourage more people to go to work, be more honest, stop asting their lives taking drugs, smoking tobacco and downing copious amounts of booze, oh then waste whats left on tatooes and sun beds and fake tans. also breeding just to get more freebess off the state. if you cant afford to have children dont have them. if you cant afford to look after them or if you choose to waste your money on drugs booze cigarrettes and tatooes and neglect to feed and cloth your kids properly, i encourage the state to take your children from you. if you want to protest against all that nonsense then yes I will join you. I would also like to join any protests agsint the incompetence within the nhs thats in effect killing off tens of thousands of innocent patients. that is a fcking disgrace

[billy123]

lets all encourage more people to go to work, be more honest, stop asting their lives taking drugs, smoking tobacco and downing copious amounts of booze, oh then waste whats left on tatooes and sun beds and fake tans. also breeding just to get more freebess off the state. if you cant afford to have children dont have them. if you cant afford to look after them or if you choose to waste your money on drugs booze cigarrettes and tatooes and neglect to feed and cloth your kids properly, i encourage the state to take your children from you. if you want to protest against all that nonsense then yes I will join you. I would also like to join any protests agsint the incompetence within the nhs thats in effect killing off tens of thousands of innocent patients. that is a fcking disgraceDont be tricked by the media that tries it best to make you believe that the vast majority of jobseekers are druggies,alchys,smokers,people with fake tans and tattoos (wow those last 3 are truly weird but thats your opinion so be it :/ ) They make up a tiny minority of jobseekers despite what you read in the rags that have a financial incentive to sensationalise and exaggerate their reports.

I know a few people out of work and struggling none of them really fit your description of people out of work ok maybe one of them is a bit orange but she is desperately looking for work and doing nothing wrong in her hunt.

As for your suggestion that only the well off should breed well maybe you should campaign for a eugenics based regime like hitler did.

The unemployed person hate is so strange people love to demonise them and lap up the media bollocks just because it gives them an avenue to hate those not as well off as themselves and gain a bit of self confidence.

There are far worse things to be annoyed about in relation to public funding. Do you not care that vodafone were facing a £60 million tax bill in the uk but after paying money to the conservative partys election campaign they were let off as soon as they were elected and asked to just pay £880 grand instead?

Strange logic.

A lot of good honest people are struggling because of the cuts that true to form from the torys are targeting the wrong people huge corporations are let off paying the huge amounts of tax they owed to the uk economy corporations that just happened to have donated cash to the election campaigns of said partys.

I can understand why someone that happens to be doing ok in the current circumstances decides to try and conserve their position under the conservatives its what they rely on.

[joeysteele]

You agree that anyone who has such a job that they have immense pressure place upon them and earn £50K plus ... are somehow very priviledged? People who work 90+ hours a week are on call and are (for example) PERSONALLY responsible for saving lives, personally responsible for the decision they make every day of their working lives which surmounts to whether somone may live of die?


I look forward to seeing if you have the same view when you have 20 / 30 years of experience under your belt in a very select type of profession that requires the upmost skills and decades of exprience.

Otherswise, you're opinion Joey is folly.... given without any real thought. Perhaps you should experience what it feels like to have a loved one's live hanging in the balance of an 'overpaid' surgeon - before deciding how you feel about their salary? Just somethign for you to consider.

With full respect,what ridiculous statements and as for my opinion being folly,I dispute that and throw it back at yourself.

Again you actually assume you know people but again you are wrong, I have no less than,for instance, working in the NHS 11 of my family now, one of my Uncles is a Consultant,another is a Doctor, the rest are nursing staff, my Father is also a Barrister.
Don't be so ready to tell people they speak with no thought,and more to the point with no knowledge of things either,
No one, not even Waterhog was saying people on 50k were privileged, he was saying that they, some of them and in some cases many of them would be possibly less likely to understand the problems of someone on only a small income,that what was the view I was supporting.

I can tell you, I am fortunate to come from a fairly priviliged background,thanks to my family, I will likely be earning really good salaries myself in a few years, depending what career I finally choose to go into, either Politics or Law.
I will not however, alter the thinking and feeling I have towrds people less successful than I may be or nowhere likely as well off as I may possibly come to be.

You make rather dramatic highlighting of people who do earn pretty good salaries year in and year out and for many of those people it is well earned but it clearly must help to make their lives a lot easier than somone on say £150 a week or less.
I see you do not however race to defend anyone who is being demonised by the press and even this Govts Ministers just because they have to rely on the State and they are the people being hit left,right and centre from the Govts cuts, from the benefit reforms, to the very intrusive ATOS testing, and now the Council tax and Housing benefit,)(bedroom tax), cuts too.

What I find really awful and patronising from this heartless Govt, is its demonisation of the weakest, it states it is on the side of those who strive and work hard, all well and good but by such terminology allowing those who can't work, to be demonised by some Ministers and the media.

I know far more than you ever give me credit for Pyramid and you are really insulting to people who disagree with you,or someone you think you can really wind up to get an argument with.

I also for instance have a friend who is paralysed and has mental issues too,that I also help care for. who was, after an ATOS assessment told he was able to do some work when the DWP got in touch with him after it.
We appealed and it was totally overturned,that happened simply because he was able to answer yes to the questions put and certain boxes were ticked.

He like hoards of others would love to work if it was possible but it is not and then you get these people who demonise people on benefits generally also without thinking.
So kindly don't tell me my opinions are folly.

I really do my utmost to avoid you Pyramid but you replied to my post and then said my opinion was folly, you are very clever at trying to belittle and put down others while in fact being allowed to say all you set out to.
I wish to tell you, you don't know me,so don't tell me I make posts and comments without thought,that I have little idea of certain things such as to people on salaries over 50k comment.
My posts are from knowledge I have gained not from my studies but from in the main the experiences of people I have gone out and talked to.
My opinion is far from folly and again as I said, 'I know far more than you think I do',I do so because I look at both sides of the coin after going out and learning for myself peoples struggles and successes and can relate to both.

[arista]

"We appealed and it was totally overturned,"

Well Done Joey
Keep On Keepin' On

[Kate!]

I love you Joey :hug:

Your posts kick ass !!

[billy123]

It is a good post but it would hold a lot more sway if the person being attacked had the right of reply its easy to attack someone that cant reply.

[joeysteele]

It is a good post but it would hold a lot more sway if the person being attacked had the right of reply its easy to attack someone that cant reply.

Actually,when I did the post,I was in a hurry as I had to be somewhere and didn't realise that the person I was addressing was banned. However I was responding to a critical response of myself,personally, by that person directly to me, so in that scenario,I feel I am totally justified in having my say as she had hers when I was not on online at that time too. Had I been on online when she responded directly to my post I would have made exactly the same response then too as I did in a hurry this morning.
In fact, I was the original one attacked and I was defending my own corner.

[Kizzy]

An excellent explanation in defence of your views joey. :)

[Kizzy]

It is a good post but it would hold a lot more sway if the person being attacked had the right of reply its easy to attack someone that cant reply.

Thats a bit unfair bob, joey may not have noticed, she wasn't banned untill silly oclock this morning.

[Kate!]

It is a good post but it would hold a lot more sway if the person being attacked had the right of reply its easy to attack someone that cant reply.

actually I would say Joey was the person being attacked, and his post was a defence :)

[Livia]

It is a good post but it would hold a lot more sway if the person being attacked had the right of reply its easy to attack someone that cant reply.

I think we'd already heard all that we needed to hear.


Excellent post Joey, as always.

[Kizzy]

One good thing I've found is once you have a view challenged, you can then go away and examine if theres a chance you could have been indoctrinated into a certain mindset via the media selling you the latest folk devil, or the spin of a particular political ideology.
Mocking others attitudes is never the way to gain an understanding of how they percieve an issue.

[the truth]

Dont be tricked by the media that tries it best to make you believe that the vast majority of jobseekers are druggies,alchys,smokers,people with fake tans and tattoos (wow those last 3 are truly weird but thats your opinion so be it :/ ) They make up a tiny minority of jobseekers despite what you read in the rags that have a financial incentive to sensationalise and exaggerate their reports.

I know a few people out of work and struggling none of them really fit your description of people out of work ok maybe one of them is a bit orange but she is desperately looking for work and doing nothing wrong in her hunt.

As for your suggestion that only the well off should breed well maybe you should campaign for a eugenics based regime like hitler did.

The unemployed person hate is so strange people love to demonise them and lap up the media bollocks just because it gives them an avenue to hate those not as well off as themselves and gain a bit of self confidence.

There are far worse things to be annoyed about in relation to public funding. Do you not care that vodafone were facing a £60 million tax bill in the uk but after paying money to the conservative partys election campaign they were let off as soon as they were elected and asked to just pay £880 grand instead?

Strange logic.

A lot of good honest people are struggling because of the cuts that true to form from the torys are targeting the wrong people huge corporations are let off paying the huge amounts of tax they owed to the uk economy corporations that just happened to have donated cash to the election campaigns of said partys.

I can understand why someone that happens to be doing ok in the current circumstances decides to try and conserve their position under the conservatives its what they rely on.

I employ over 40 people, I get all my opinions from the real world , never from media. thank you. The sheer volume of dishonest, lazy , unambitious, workshy , selfish , vain idiots Ive had applying for jobs is mindboggling. the majority of them drink heavily, the majority let me down most of the time and the vast majority refuse to work weekends due to drink.. I have to go through about 20 workers, to get 1 decent honest worker. this is the UK I know Ive been in business 20 years.

[billy123]

Actually,when I did the post,I was in a hurry as I had to be somewhere and didn't realise that the person I was addressing was banned. However I was responding to a critical response of myself,personally, by that person directly to me, so in that scenario,I feel I am totally justified in having my say as she had hers when I was not on online at that time too. Had I been on online when she responded directly to my post I would have made exactly the same response then too as I did in a hurry this morning.
In fact, I was the original one attacked and I was defending my own corner.
That is a fair response.

[billy123]

I employ over 40 people, I get all my opinions from the real world , never from media. thank you. The sheer volume of dishonest, lazy , unambitious, workshy , selfish , vain idiots Ive had applying for jobs is mindboggling. the majority of them drink heavily, the majority let me down most of the time and the vast majority refuse to work weekends due to drink.. I have to go through about 20 workers, to get 1 decent honest worker. this is the UK I know Ive been in business 20 years.The majority of people looking to work for you drink heavily? where the **** do you live?????????????? Ireland?????

[Niamh.]

The majority of people looking to work for you drink heavily? where the **** do you live?????????????? Ireland?????

Excuse me?

[billy123]

Excuse me?:) It was the only place i could think of where this land where the majority of jobseekers could possibly be heavy drinking druggys with tattoos and fake tan the truth will hopefully tell us his location now and stop the guessing.
Is it manchester,essex maybe? where is this land he speaks of it sounds horrid!

[Vicky.]

I employ over 40 people, I get all my opinions from the real world , never from media. thank you. The sheer volume of dishonest, lazy , unambitious, workshy , selfish , vain idiots Ive had applying for jobs is mindboggling. the majority of them drink heavily, the majority let me down most of the time and the vast majority refuse to work weekends due to drink.. I have to go through about 20 workers, to get 1 decent honest worker. this is the UK I know Ive been in business 20 years.

Dont you run a taxi company? Or at least something to do with driving...

(I may have picked up on this wrong somewhere along the line though)

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I have been on the dole myself in the past and I honestly cannot see how any jobseeker can afford to drink, smoke, or even eat proper meals tbh on the pittance they are given. I seriously hate the attitude that the majority are lazy scroungers who manage to buy plasma tvs, sit in the pub all day and have 4x expensive holidays a year...etc etc. I know a lot of people who are out of work at the moment actually and not one of them can afford to do any of those things...they tend to struggle to even keep a roof over their heads with all the **** ups that come with housing benefit, and it will be worse once the new changes come in too.

I could understand the attacks on the unemployed IF there were loads of unfilled jobs...enough to take even half of the unemployed population off benefits, but people just werent applying for them. This is not the case though. My father in law quite recently advertised for a new staff member (rather stupidly through the jobcentre...although we advised him against it as we know they force ANYONE to apply for the jobs, even if they dont have the relevant experience) and received over 150 applications. This is for a job of only 8 hours a week too, not even a fulltime position. So its clearly not just lazy people not wanting to work...the problem is the lack of jobs out there for the amount of people who are currently unemployed.

Before long too, a lot of people who already have jobs will be treat the same as these 'dole scroungers'. if you work part time you may be forced to apply for jobs with as little as 1 hour extra a week or face being sanctioned. No matter what your reasons for working part time in the first place...which is quite worrying as a lot of single mothers do part time work while their kids are at school, some people with disabilities push themselves to do a few hours a week etc etc.

Went on a bit of a rant there, but in short I totally understand why people are pissed off, and while I know marches and protests wont make a blind bit of difference, I admire them for standing up for themselves/those less fortunate.

[joeysteele]

Dont you run a taxi company? Or at least something to do with driving...

(I may have picked up on this wrong somewhere along the line though)

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I have been on the dole myself in the past and I honestly cannot see how any jobseeker can afford to drink, smoke, or even eat proper meals tbh on the pittance they are given. I seriously hate the attitude that the majority are lazy scroungers who manage to buy plasma tvs, sit in the pub all day and have 4x expensive holidays a year...etc etc. I know a lot of people who are out of work at the moment actually and not one of them can afford to do any of those things...they tend to struggle to even keep a roof over their heads with all the **** ups that come with housing benefit, and it will be worse once the new changes come in too.

I could understand the attacks on the unemployed IF there were loads of unfilled jobs...enough to take even half of the unemployed population off benefits, but people just werent applying for them. This is not the case though. My father in law quite recently advertised for a new staff member (rather stupidly through the jobcentre...although we advised him against it as we know they force ANYONE to apply for the jobs, even if they dont have the relevant experience) and received over 150 applications. This is for a job of only 8 hours a week too, not even a fulltime position. So its clearly not just lazy people not wanting to work...the problem is the lack of jobs out there for the amount of people who are currently unemployed.

Before long too, a lot of people who already have jobs will be treat the same as these 'dole scroungers'. if you work part time you may be forced to apply for jobs with as little as 1 hour extra a week or face being sanctioned. No matter what your reasons for working part time in the first place...which is quite worrying as a lot of single mothers do part time work while their kids are at school, some people with disabilities push themselves to do a few hours a week etc etc.

Went on a bit of a rant there, but in short I totally understand why people are pissed off, and while I know marches and protests wont make a blind bit of difference, I admire them for standing up for themselves/those less fortunate.

Really good post,I agree with all you have said.

[Mystic Mock]

the poorest pay most of the debt?

Really.!! Good god.. you really need to get in touch with reality.

The poorest don't tend to have their own mortgages to ensure they keep a roof over their heads (and the don't have the comfort of being able to rely on the Government to pay for their social housing during lean times). Those with mortgages receive very little help (if at all)..... and are expected to pay additional premiums to 'protect themselves' in times of hardship such as being unexpected long term illnesses, losing jobs etc. Even if they are struggling on basic salaries.

the Poorest receive free dental treatment which isn't available to those working ...even those who are really struggling to get by on the basic min wages, but still they are not allowed free dental treatment.

So quit with the sob story here... please!


I make no bones about this..... the very low (unbelievably low) payments that are made to those in genuine times of hardship are a joke - an absolute joke ...... but thanks to those types who bleed the system dry (yer every con man who knows every trick in the book, the asylum seekers that know more about benefits that our own countryfolk, and MP's etc who are claim for every goddam thing - including those rescinding on what they agreed etc).......

Please... give it a rest about the poor.

If you want to see poor.... go take a trip to Kenya, Ethiopia, better than that, have a look at where ever you live and it's your local city centre.

Ever done any voluntary work for the homeless? I have, I do and have done for years. That opens up your eyes a whole lot..... Does it make me feel good? Not one bit, it makes me sick when I realise the crap that I find time to moan about in my own life. I see these poor forgotten souls - who are POOR - and many through real ****ty circumstances.... People who literally have not a penny to their name, no homes, no food, no every night shelter, no warmth, no hot water, no comfort... sweet FA ...... get your act together when you refer to 'the poor'.

Some people really need to look outside their own little priviledged boxes and start to try to even begin to comprehend what the word 'poor' means.

Living off the state, in a warm house, with water, electricity, gas, food, comfort, tv, internet, mobile phones is not POOR. It's called going through hard times... something that hits many of us and we get through it thanks to the government doing all they can to ensure we dont' end up on the streets. Get yourself a mortage: then that's when it all goes tits up if it all comes crashing down.

Time people woke up.

So just because we are not as poor as the African countries means that we can't complain when the ***** in charge of this country target the poor, target the disabled, and target anyone that isn't Upper Class.

Then don't forget the other stuff that the twats have messed up even bigger than Labour even could like sacking a load of Police Officers.

[billy123]

So just because we are not as poor as the African countries means that we can't complain when the ***** in charge of this country target the poor, target the disabled, and target anyone that isn't Upper Class.

Then don't forget the other stuff that the twats have messed up even bigger than Labour even could like sacking a load of Police Officers.They just blame that on the previous goverment like they always have done it gets so tiresome.
The global recession is labours fault according to the torys.

[the truth]

The majority of people looking to work for you drink heavily? where the **** do you live?????????????? Ireland?????

heavily when not at work. I run businesses in the south wales

[the truth]

Dont you run a taxi company? Or at least something to do with driving...

(I may have picked up on this wrong somewhere along the line though)

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I have been on the dole myself in the past and I honestly cannot see how any jobseeker can afford to drink, smoke, or even eat proper meals tbh on the pittance they are given. I seriously hate the attitude that the majority are lazy scroungers who manage to buy plasma tvs, sit in the pub all day and have 4x expensive holidays a year...etc etc. I know a lot of people who are out of work at the moment actually and not one of them can afford to do any of those things...they tend to struggle to even keep a roof over their heads with all the **** ups that come with housing benefit, and it will be worse once the new changes come in too.

I could understand the attacks on the unemployed IF there were loads of unfilled jobs...enough to take even half of the unemployed population off benefits, but people just werent applying for them. This is not the case though. My father in law quite recently advertised for a new staff member (rather stupidly through the jobcentre...although we advised him against it as we know they force ANYONE to apply for the jobs, even if they dont have the relevant experience) and received over 150 applications. This is for a job of only 8 hours a week too, not even a fulltime position. So its clearly not just lazy people not wanting to work...the problem is the lack of jobs out there for the amount of people who are currently unemployed.

Before long too, a lot of people who already have jobs will be treat the same as these 'dole scroungers'. if you work part time you may be forced to apply for jobs with as little as 1 hour extra a week or face being sanctioned. No matter what your reasons for working part time in the first place...which is quite worrying as a lot of single mothers do part time work while their kids are at school, some people with disabilities push themselves to do a few hours a week etc etc.

Went on a bit of a rant there, but in short I totally understand why people are pissed off, and while I know marches and protests wont make a blind bit of difference, I admire them for standing up for themselves/those less fortunate.
totally disagree. these people should drop the chip on both shoulders and put their energy into going to work, doing a hard honest days work , learning on the job. with the right atitude any person can be as successful as they like. its entirely down to attitude and morality

[the truth]

So just because we are not as poor as the African countries means that we can't complain when the ***** in charge of this country target the poor, target the disabled, and target anyone that isn't Upper Class.

Then don't forget the other stuff that the twats have messed up even bigger than Labour even could like sacking a load of Police Officers.

hopefully this government will at leas ensure the benefits go to the sick, disabled and elderly care

the other scroungers should get nothing if theyre healthy enough to work

[the truth]

They just blame that on the previous goverment like they always have done it gets so tiresome.
The global recession is labours fault according to the torys.

labour were a disaster too lets face it. they were way too close to bush, that was their biggest downfall

[Mystic Mock]

hopefully this government will at leas ensure the benefits go to the sick, disabled and elderly care

the other scroungers should get nothing if theyre healthy enough to work

But tbf it's hard to get a job as millions are unemployed, im not saying that some aren't just lazy bastards hoping to live off the benefits for the rest of there lives but not all are like that.

[Vicky.]

hopefully this government will at leas ensure the benefits go to the sick, disabled and elderly care

the other scroungers should get nothing if theyre healthy enough to work

This almost sounds as if you are saying everyone who is unlucky enough to be unemployed at the moment (who is not sick) is a scrounger. A bit of an odd statement considering how many firms are laying people off, and how many big companies are closing down.

[joeysteele]

But tbf it's hard to get a job as millions are unemployed, im not saying that some aren't just lazy bastards hoping to live off the benefits for the rest of there lives but not all are like that.

Spot on, also a lot of jobs now are part time and those jobs still in more cases than not require some benefits still to be paid.

As I have said and many others have to, there are around 500,000 vacancies at best in the Country at present, there are still 2.5 million unemployed, that is the unemployed not the sick and disabled figures included.
You cannot get 2.5 million into 0.5 million, no matter how hard you try, you need the massive rise in vacancies to then be able to even try to do more to sort that one out.

That is the problem with this Govts policies.
Companies now are also cutting hours from their staffs original hours, by 2 to 3 hours here and there,thereby invoking more financial burdens even on people working.

Of course there are people who likely work the system and yes even scrounge,I hold the view they are not anywhere like in the quantity that the Govt and the Media suggest however but it is right they are weeded out of the system.
It is odd though too, that many benefits set up for people go unclaimed year on year, likely because people don't know about them. You never hear the Govt putting in stronger measures to find those people and make sure those people get those benefits though, yet it is a fact they are not getting paid to the people who they are there for.

It is easy to demonise the people seen as the lowest in society with all sorts of they do this and they do that just wasting money comments but I still,in my opinion, believe the scroungers are far more a minority than anywhere being the majority of the lowest paid or those on benefits.
I am actually appalled at the way this Govt and the Lib Dems in particular are allowing such demonisation of those at the very lower end of the scale.

Like George Osborne at the Conservative conference, saying somethimg daft like on the lines of, 'think of the early shift worker going out to work and seeing the curtains and blinds drawn of those likely on benefits'.

Not everyone is on early shifts anyway,what a crazy statement to make, when we are all out, (we are students), we close the blinds.The house next door to us, both the husband and wife work, they have all their curtains and blinds closed until they come in too.
This man is the Chancellor for goodness sake and he got applauded for making such a ridiculous statement.

As I said, it is easy to set out to demonise and wrongly in my view too, those at the lower end of the financial scale in society.

[the truth]

But tbf it's hard to get a job as millions are unemployed, im not saying that some aren't just lazy bastards hoping to live off the benefits for the rest of there lives but not all are like that.

rubbish there is always work, these people turn down work all the time. they are lazy and lack self respect and ambition. Ive cleaned toilets, ive done caring, Ive crawled to work with both legs in plaster , these workless chavs are bigger snobs than landed gentry. they want designer clothes, booze, fags, meow meow, chasing women all day long. yet expect us hard working people to pay for it. if youre fit and healthy you should get NOTHING AT ALL. GO TO WORK

[the truth]

This almost sounds as if you are saying everyone who is unlucky enough to be unemployed at the moment (who is not sick) is a scrounger. A bit of an odd statement considering how many firms are laying people off, and how many big companies are closing down.

EVERYONE who is healthy enough to work and doesnt, is a scronger, period.
there is always work. they just keep turning it down.

[Vicky.]

EVERYONE who is healthy enough to work and doesnt, is a scronger, period.
there is always work. they just keep turning it down.

Really? Last figures I saw a month or so ago said there were nearly 3m unemployed, and only 500k vacancies. Unless we can force each of these vacancies to take on 6 people instead of 1, then saying that its just people turning work down cant be true.

Also, as I said earlier, when my dad in law advertised a job (only 8 hours a week) he got over 150 applicants. But sure...these people who are actually trying to get work dont exist and everyone unemployed is just a scrounger :D

[the truth]

Really? Last figures I saw a month or so ago said there were nearly 3m unemployed, and only 500k vacancies. Unless we can force each of these vacancies to take on 6 people instead of 1, then saying that its just people turning work down cant be true.

Also, as I said earlier, when my dad in law advertised a job (only 8 hours a week) he got over 150 applicants. But sure...these people who are actually trying to get work dont exist and everyone unemployed is just a scrounger :D

everyone healthy who isnt working is a scrounger, period....you can apply for driving badges, psv license, de , bus licenses, forklift, taxi lcense costs around £80 and takes just 3 weeks, then rent a taxi or go work for a firm, theres always vacancies... theres . I have vacancies advertised every day, the applicants are mind biggling, the majority immediately refuse to work weekends, many refuse to work nights, some refuse to pick up people off the streets, others refuse to drive vehicles over 5 years old, the list goes on and on...Ive even had some apply for driving jobs, who have no drivers licsense

the official figure of 500,000 is the number of full time jobs officially advertised, many of these companies have multiple vacancies and most always have exta jobs for part time vacancies..

theres a million and one other ways too to get work, turn up at restaiurants, hotels, garages, small businesses, speak to the bosses direct. that extra effort impresses bosses and shows this person is serious and is ambitious to work.

if i was desperate for work Id get a part time job doing anything, caring jobs are rife, theres loads of vacancies, especially weekend work, these jobs are rife....you can clean, care, you can offer garden clearance, old people everywhere struggle with the endless rules of rubbish disposal, gardening work too, removal work, all you need is an empty van.....you could even just turn up at a valet centre and offer yourself....if you need income you will do anything.....these workless chavs always seem to find money for booze and cigarettes and many drug deal too....their priorities are a disgrace...they need to stop hiding behind excuses and blaming everyone else...they need to find some self respect and ambition and go to work

[Vicky.]

everyone healthy who isnt working is a scrounger, period....you can apply for driving badges, psv license, de , bus licenses, forklift, taxi lcense costs around £80 and takes just 3 weeks, then rent a taxi or go work for a firm, theres always vacancies... theres . I have vacancies advertised every day, the applicants are mind biggling, the majority immediately refuse to work weekends, many refuse to work nights, some refuse to pick up people off the streets, others refuse to drive vehicles over 5 years old, the list goes on and on...Ive even had some apply for driving jobs, who have no drivers licsense

the official figure of 500,000 is the number of full time jobs officially advertised, many of these companies have multiple vacancies and most always have exta jobs for part time vacancies..

theres a million and one other ways too to get work, turn up at restaiurants, hotels, garages, small businesses, speak to the bosses direct. that extra effort impresses bosses and shows this person is serious and is ambitious to work.

if i was desperate for work Id get a part time job doing anything, caring jobs are rife, theres loads of vacancies, especially weekend work, these jobs are rife....you can clean, care, you can offer garden clearance, old people everywhere struggle with the endless rules of rubbish disposal, gardening work too, removal work, all you need is an empty van.....you could even just turn up at a valet centre and offer yourself....if you need income you will do anything.....these workless chavs always seem to find money for booze and cigarettes and many drug deal too....their priorities are a disgrace...they need to stop hiding behind excuses and blaming everyone else...they need to find some self respect and ambition and go to work
Yeah I was really trying to take your post seriously(despite it being very very wrong, even the government admit theres not enough jobs out there for all unemployed, and its not easy to find £80 from nowhere when you recieve only £71 per week to live on either) until I got to this bit. If this is how you see all unemployed people then theres really nothing left to discuss here tbh.

All I can say is I am ****ing grateful that I have a job right now, I would hate to be trying to find work with how things are currently, and with people like you with horrible attitudes towards those who genuinely want to work, just because of the actions of a minority who get splashed all over the rags as if to prove that all benefit claimants sit in the pub all say smoking, drinking and taking drugs.

Also, just to add

the official figure of 500,000 is the number of full time jobs officially advertised, many of these companies have multiple vacancies and most always have exta jobs for part time vacancies.. this is utterly false. The 500k figure includes the new ridiculous concept of 0 hour contracts, and commision only work, aswell as part time vacancies that could be as little as 1hr a week.

[Jack_]

everyone healthy who isnt working is a scrounger, period....you can apply for driving badges, psv license, de , bus licenses, forklift, taxi lcense costs around £80 and takes just 3 weeks, then rent a taxi or go work for a firm, theres always vacancies... theres . I have vacancies advertised every day, the applicants are mind biggling, the majority immediately refuse to work weekends, many refuse to work nights, some refuse to pick up people off the streets, others refuse to drive vehicles over 5 years old, the list goes on and on...Ive even had some apply for driving jobs, who have no drivers licsense

the official figure of 500,000 is the number of full time jobs officially advertised, many of these companies have multiple vacancies and most always have exta jobs for part time vacancies..

theres a million and one other ways too to get work, turn up at restaiurants, hotels, garages, small businesses, speak to the bosses direct. that extra effort impresses bosses and shows this person is serious and is ambitious to work.

if i was desperate for work Id get a part time job doing anything, caring jobs are rife, theres loads of vacancies, especially weekend work, these jobs are rife....you can clean, care, you can offer garden clearance, old people everywhere struggle with the endless rules of rubbish disposal, gardening work too, removal work, all you need is an empty van.....you could even just turn up at a valet centre and offer yourself....if you need income you will do anything.....these workless chavs always seem to find money for booze and cigarettes and many drug deal too....their priorities are a disgrace...they need to stop hiding behind excuses and blaming everyone else...they need to find some self respect and ambition and go to work

Is this member for real? I've not been on here that much in recent months to know the backstory...but...is this serious? Surely not?

From the few posts I've read from this 'the truth' member it seems like 'the bullsh*t' would be a more apt username than anything else. It's like Pyramid, WOMBAI and ElProximo all rolled into one. I'm dumbfounded at the sheer ignorance of most of these posts. Just...wow.

[the truth]

Is this member for real? I've not been on here that much in recent months to know the backstory...but...is this serious? Surely not?

From the few posts I've read from this 'the truth' member it seems like 'the bullsh*t' would be a more apt username than anything else. It's like Pyramid, WOMBAI and ElProximo all rolled into one. I'm dumbfounded at the sheer ignorance of most of these posts. Just...wow.

yes 100% real I employ a lot of people and this is the real world. its not a cosy politically correct liberal world where everyone can blame the government. In the real world, employers are under phenomenal pressure to pay their bills, their wages, to meet everyone contract to keep the thousands of customers happy, because these days people like to complain about everything.. The truth is vast majority of these people who apply for jobs are plain lazy and lack ambition. Thats why they only stick at a job for a few weeks or months before qutting and going back to benefits...Thats my 25 years of business experience, employing 100s of people, which I dare say is an experience you do not have....that is the truth and these people need to hear the truth, or theyll remain in the benefits cycle forever, its something called tough love

[Kizzy]

The truth not all people can drive..
If you are unemployed how could you afford to tax, insure, MOT and buy diesel/ petrol for these vehicles?
Not to mention the costs involved with applying for these licences you mentioned.
Please tell me, are you serious in your views? You seem to have ignored all the facts given by joey and vicky appearing to make up your own statistics.

I'm not surprised you think as you do, that all those on JSA are scroungers as that is how they are portrayed in the media.
However to suggest that most jobseekers are criminal is insulting as well as wrong!

[joeysteele]

I often agree with the truth on a lot of things but not on this one I'm afraid. The picture he is painting does not appear like anything I have found,however if he is able to offer so many jobs,good on him for that.
I am however against this demonising of the unemployed and those on sickness/disabled benefits too whether that comes from individuals, Companies or Govt.

For me that is what is greatly wrong with this Govt, who despite all its current measures as to sorting out the unemployment problem,still has even its own official and also the independent assessments of the facts stating that the vacancies are simply not there at the present time and are not likely to be for many years to come at least too.

[the truth]

I often agree with the truth on a lot of things but not on this one I'm afraid. The picture he is painting does not appear like anything I have found,however if he is able to offer so many jobs,good on him for that.
I am however against this demonising of the unemployed and those on sickness/disabled benefits too whether that comes from individuals, Companies or Govt.

For me that is what is greatly wrong with this Govt, who despite all its current measures as to sorting out the unemployment problem,still has even its own official and also the independent assessments of the facts stating that the vacancies are simply not there at the present time and are not likely to be for many years to come at least too.

Hi Joey

Please do not let these other posters try and twist what I am saying into something else.

sick , disabled and elderly deserve benefits and more benefits. the healthy people who turn down jobs, deserve no benefits at all.

thats my position

[Vicky.]

still has even its own official and also the independent assessments of the facts stating that the vacancies are simply not there at the present time and are not likely to be for many years to come at least too.

Exactly. The jobs arent there, but lets penalize people for not getting them anyway seems to be the motto.

The government figures are more likely to be generous with the number of jobs currently available...to try and push this 'scrounger' agenda that they have going on, so if anyone thinks that the figures are wrong, if anything there are less jobs than we are being told about, not more.

[the truth]

Exactly. The jobs arent there, but lets penalize people for not getting them anyway seems to be the motto.

The government figures are more likely to be generous with the number of jobs currently available...to try and push this 'scrounger' agenda that they have going on, so if anyone thinks that the figures are wrong, if anything there are less jobs than we are being told about, not more.

why are there over 500,000 official vacancies unfilled? because these workless people wont take the jobs and wont do the work. simple. lazy.

[Alf]

bureaucracy is a big thorn in the side of lots of people finding employment, time to get rid and go back to common sense.

[the truth]

bureaucracy is a big thorn in the side of lots of people finding employment, time to get rid and go back to common sense.

100% agreed. one part time driver has just quit with us to carry out a job centre course? Simply because hes too scared to come to work full time in case he loses all his benefits?

[the truth]

Exactly. The jobs arent there, but lets penalize people for not getting them anyway seems to be the motto.

The government figures are more likely to be generous with the number of jobs currently available...to try and push this 'scrounger' agenda that they have going on, so if anyone thinks that the figures are wrong, if anything there are less jobs than we are being told about, not more.

500,000+ jobs officially and plenty more unofficially unfulfilled. yet millions not working, thats a lot of lazy people who wont do the jobs.

[AnnieK]

I work in recruitment and the number of people i speak to daily is staggering. They apply for every job they can...one example is a girl who has an excellent education and working background and has applied for 492 jobs, many of which she did not even receive an acknowledgement for....the ones she did she was told she was overqualified, under qualified or looking for too much money etc etc.... We have finally managed to ge her a job but she missed out on 491 others.... This just highlights how hard people are trying...and failing in many circumstances. It really isn't how it used to be when people were forced to apply for jobs to keep their benefits and you knew they were so not interested....people want to work and it's soo tough out there. I am regularly told by clients they get in excess of 200 applicants for every position they advertise from school leavers up to law /medical graduates etc. it is an employers market and I for one would not like to be looking for work right now.

[the truth]

I work in recruitment and the number of people i speak to daily is staggering. They apply for every job they can...one example is a girl who has an excellent education and working background and has applied for 492 jobs, many of which she did not even receive an acknowledgement for....the ones she did she was told she was overqualified, under qualified or looking for too much money etc etc.... We have finally managed to ge her a job but she missed out on 491 others.... This just highlights how hard people are trying...and failing in many circumstances. It really isn't how it used to be when people were forced to apply for jobs to keep their benefits and you knew they were so not interested....people want to work and it's soo tough out there. I am regularly told by clients they get in excess of 200 applicants for every position they advertise from school leavers up to law /medical graduates etc. it is an employers market and I for one would not like to be looking for work right now.

why dont they do part time work whilst looking for their ideal job?

[AnnieK]

why dont they do part time work whilst looking for their ideal job?

Many do...we have people who have been middle managers temping on basic wage but even those jobs are few and far between. I think it does vary geographically what is available but I am based in Manchester and even in such a big city work is hard to come by... I really do not think the majority of unemployment is down to laziness....

[the truth]

Many do...we have people who have been middle managers temping on basic wage but even those jobs are few and far between. I think it does vary geographically what is available but I am based in Manchester and even in such a big city work is hard to come by... I really do not think the majority of unemployment is down to laziness....

I do I think its massively down to the mindset of the people. why do you think employers are recruiting tens of thousands of polish? because they will work , especially manual work, and before anyone says it, they do get paid above minimum wages too.

take british take away food shops, why do none of them open late like ALL other nationalities, the greeks, the turks, the chinese, the italians, the indians etc etc these people keep their restaurants and take aways open late every night. they also deliver food, Ive never known of any fish and chip shop deliver food? cant they wrap it up and deliver it? no they lack the working mindset, the ambition and they do not care enough about improving their service to the public

it is the attitude of us brits that has become the main problem. we are lazy , unambitious and dependant on nanny state. ive seen middle aged men give up their jobs to go on job seekers courses, not to find jobs, just so they dont risk losingbenefits. this is simply pathetic

[Kizzy]

Where are my posts from yesterday?