Should the TiBB Razzies have an opt-out list? [Poll]

[Matt]

Seeing as this debate has erupted tonight, I want to gauge the forum's opinions in a pollular form.

Should the TiBB Razzie Awards (the negative awards - Most Argumentative, Most Self-Obsessed etc) have an opt-out list, so you can abstain from taking part if you so wish?

[Mystic Mock]

No it takes the fun out of the game.

[InOne]

No, everyone should be included. If people start opting out then we'll most likely have crap winners

[Black Dagger]

No.

[Jack_]

In the words of Patrick, ***** up or ***** off.

[Ramsay]

Noooooooooooooo

[Smithy]

no

[Kizzy]

No.... But the nominations should not be anonymous.
Otherwise it's just a witchhunt for some.
Ain't nobody got time for that!

[Smithy]

Shoulda been a public poll

[Glenn.]

What's the point in having the Razzie Awards if people are going to opt out :crazy:

[Kate!]

No.... But the nominations should not be anonymous.
Otherwise it's just a witchhunt for some.
Ain't nobody got time for that!

Exactly this.

[InOne]

If noms weren't anon it would end up a lot lot worse

[Black Dagger]

People would only complain that 'said person' has it out for them even if it wasn't anonymous... so really it'd be a no win-win...

The Razzie's aren't broken, let's not try to fix them.

[Mystic Mock]

No.... But the nominations should not be anonymous.
Otherwise it's just a witchhunt for some.
Ain't nobody got time for that!

So you think Members should see who's being horrible to them? what if they've got loads of nominations aswell it would be cruel.

[Marsh.]

^^^ But I thought you said it's not being horrible, it's just light hearted?

Can't have it both ways.

[Brother Leon]

I like the unanonymous idea :devil:

[Marsh.]

^^^ But I thought you said it's not being horrible, it's just light hearted?

Can't have it both ways.

[Joe.]

I voted yes because I wanted to be different.

[Mystic Mock]

^^^ But I thought you said it's not being horrible, it's just light hearted?

Can't have it both ways.

Im on about that if members are going to be horrible they will be anonymous or not anonymous, what should happen is that you can't have award nominations that are really cruel like "Who's The Ugliest Member Award".

[Black Dagger]

^^^ But I thought you said it's not being horrible, it's just light hearted?

Can't have it both ways.

I'm not the one being sensitive...

I'd find it flattering if the same person nominated me for every award...

I just don't think that members have strong enough skin to deal with knowing who's nominated them for these awards... despite it being just harmless.

I've gave my POV though.

Oh I didn't see Mockinator posted above me and you directed that at him, this is awkward -walks away-.

[Shaun]

if people want to, then fair enough. I really see no problem with not wanting to take part.

[Marsh.]

I'm not the one being sensitive...

I'd find it flattering if the same person nominated me for every award...

I just don't think that members have strong enough skin to deal with knowing who's nominated them for these awards... despite it being just harmless.

I've gave my POV though.

Oh I didn't see Mockinator posted above me and you directed that at him, this is awkward -walks away-.

Just about to post....:conf:.....:hugesmile:

[Black Dagger]

Just about to post....:conf:.....:hugesmile:

Ignore me... :blush:

[Marsh.]

non unanonymous

http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn294/hsifeng/SPN/Confused.gif

[Kate!]

^^^ But I thought you said it's not being horrible, it's just light hearted?

Can't have it both ways.

And again, exactly what I'm trying to say. If its lighthearted and not meant maliciously then where is the problem in putting your name to it hmm?

Insults, and baiting (ie delib trying to upset someone you don't like) are against forum rules. So why is it allowed for this purpose?

People keep saying its fun. It mostly is. Mostly isn't good enough however.

[Marsh.]

I agree Kate, and lord knows I have a big problem with hypocrisy. lol

[Brother Leon]

http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn294/hsifeng/SPN/Confused.gif

Good spot

[michael21]

Seeing as this debate has erupted tonight, I want to gauge the forum's opinions in a pollular form.

Should the TiBB Razzie Awards (the negative awards - Most Argumentative, Most Self-Obsessed etc) have an opt-out list, so you can abstain from taking part if you so wish?

just get on with it you drama queen

[Black Dagger]

And again, exactly what I'm trying to say. If its lighthearted and not meant maliciously then where is the problem in putting your name to it hmm?

Insults, and baiting (ie delib trying to upset someone you don't like) are against forum rules. So why is it allowed for this purpose?

People keep saying its fun. It mostly is. Mostly isn't good enough however.

Because even when it's meant to be light-hearted, you'll still get folk be sensitive if they found out who nominated them... and this is the downfall of it... you'll get the same old 'I'M HATED, FEEL SORRY FOR ME, THIS PERSON DOESN'T LIKE ME BOO ****ING HOO' stories from people and it'll ruin it all.

[Marsh.]

Who does that?

In general, everyone I see on the forum banters and doesn't take things seriously.

Unless of course there are very insulting awards.

[Black Dagger]

Who does that?

In general, everyone I see on the forum banters and doesn't take things seriously.

Unless of course there are very insulting awards.

You mean you haven't seen stuff like that from people on this forum? :laugh:

[GypsyGoth]

For the most hated, if that's what it was called, I think it was fair that there was an opt out.

But the Razzies are something different. They are not meant in a malicious way, even if people want to take them that way, they're just a bit of fun. However I've never been picked for one I think, but from reading posts by Shaun or Brother Leon, they seemed to take them as they were intended, as a laugh.

It is peoples right to be offended, and it would be a shame that people chose to feel like they were being picked on because of it. But didn't Claymores insist on not being included in the most loved... ok I don't know where I'm going with this, but thanks for reading.

[Marsh.]

You mean you haven't seen stuff like that from people on this forum? :laugh:

:hugesmile: I meant people on the forum seem to take jokes on the chin.

Unless someone is just being outright rude. Which is why I said unless the awards themselves are very insulting/rude then there shouldn't be a problem.

[Kizzy]

If noms weren't anon it would end up a lot lot worse

Why?...because everyone would be able to see all the 'nice' members sticking the boot in?

[Marsh.]

And the clique (hate that word) would be exposed. lol

[Black Dagger]

Why?...because everyone would be able to see all the 'nice' members sticking the boot in?

It's not about that... at all

I've stated, with it not being anonymous people would get even more upset (which they shouldn't be doing anyway, none of these awards are offensive)

[InOne]

Why?...because everyone would be able to see all the 'nice' members sticking the boot in?

Nobody is sticking the boot in, just take it all with a pinch of salt. I just think it would cause more arguments and people would end up disliking eachother.

[InOne]

And the clique (hate that word) would be exposed. lol

There is no clique :joker:

[Kate!]

Because even when it's meant to be light-hearted, you'll still get folk be sensitive if they found out who nominated them... and this is the downfall of it... you'll get the same old 'I'M HATED, FEEL SORRY FOR ME, THIS PERSON DOESN'T LIKE ME BOO ****ING HOO' stories from people and it'll ruin it all.

Well look, I can only speak for myself, although I can think of a specific member who would be distressed at being nommed for anything negative. In my own defence, and I said this last year as well, nobody bloody nommed me for the stuff they should have done, such as Drama Queen, Attention Seeker etc. I am both of those things. Yet instead I was personally singled out for biggest suck up, ass licker or whatever it was, and I was bloody funing, as I will only be nice to people I like, if I don't I will argue the toss with someone till the cows come home. Argumentative as well. Call me that and I won't get offended either.

Please someone tell me they get where I'm coming from.

[Marsh.]

There is no clique :joker:

I'm joking, but there is kind of.

But I shant bring out the conspiracy theorist in me tonight. :joker:

[InOne]

I'm joking, but there is kind of.

But I shant bring out the conspiracy theorist in me tonight. :joker:

Yes, probably best not to lol The word Clique has sent this forum into meltdown in the past

[Marsh.]

I never appear on these lists anyway, so it doesn't bother me. lol

[Kizzy]

Nobody is sticking the boot in, just take it all with a pinch of salt. I just think it would cause more arguments and people would end up disliking eachother.

As opposed to disliking each other anonymously?

[InOne]

As opposed to disliking each other anonymously?

Well it's much better than all out war on the forum.

[michael21]

I never appear on these lists anyway, so it doesn't bother me. lol

your not the big of a member tbh

[Kizzy]

I'm joking, but there is kind of.

But I shant bring out the conspiracy theorist in me tonight. :joker:

Aw go on... I will if you will ;)

[Kizzy]

Well it's much better than all out war on the forum.

Why Would it be war?....
Like has been said all night it's a lighthearted tongue in cheek thing...
Why would knowing where the votes had come from change that?
I don't understand your logic joe.

[Marsh.]

your not the big of a member tbh

:joker: No, I'm not.

But whatever I do contribute, it's more than your inane hazing.

Aw go on... I will if you will ;)

:laugh: Don't tempt me I'll get more infractions.

[InOne]

Why Would it be war?....
Like has been said all night it's a lighthearted tongue in cheek thing...
Why would knowing where the votes had come from change that?
I don't understand your logic joe.

Because some members go out their way to get offended and like to kick up a fuss. Gives them less reason to.

[Samuel.]

Don't see why people should be forced to be a part of it.

[Marsh.]

Because some members go out their way to get offended and like to kick up a fuss. Gives them less reason to.

TBH, I think the votes being out in the open would make it less hostile.

People probably get more upset if they are paranoid the majority of the forum dislikes them or whatever.

If it's out in the open people will see that everyone is just jesting with everyone.

Unless, as I said earlier, a clique of people all voting for the same people doesn't want to be put on display*.

*Is not in any way, shape or form a conspiracy theory.

[Josy]

I think it's pretty clear why it would be a bad idea to take away anonymous voting for this and not because it's nasty or malicious because I do honestly think most members still take this as a light hearted bit of fun but if it wasnt anon there would be some that would obviously use it in the future to cause drama out of it.

[Shaun]

in a much more base way, too, submitting votes publically would make it obvious who's going to win... it'd make the entire surprise element redundant

[Marsh.]

Reveal the votes after the results then?

[InOne]

TBH, I think the votes being out in the open would make it less hostile.

People probably get more upset if they are paranoid the majority of the forum dislikes them or whatever.

If it's out in the open people will see that everyone is just jesting with everyone.

Unless, as I said earlier, a clique of people all voting for the same people doesn't want to be put on display*.

*Is not in any way, shape or form a conspiracy theory.

Well that's their issue then really. I'm sure the winners of the categories are well deserved and everyone shouldn't have to explain themselves just cos someone may get offended.

[Kizzy]

Because some members go out their way to get offended and like to kick up a fuss. Gives them less reason to.

'some' members...god joe could you be anymore transparent?
It's a bit of fun joe....why on earth would there be any comeback?...

[Marsh.]

Say what you mean, if you mean it, say it.

:tongue:

[Vicky.]

And the drama begins already :laugh:

[michael21]

Say what you mean, if you mean it, say it.

:tongue:

well said roy walker

[Marsh.]

well said roy walker

You're on fire tonight. :joker:

[Kizzy]

Well that's their issue then really. I'm sure the winners of the categories are well deserved and everyone shouldn't have to explain themselves just cos someone may get offended.

It's not a case of explaining themselves at all...
You are missing the point, it's just knowing how the land lies.
Nothing wrong with that at all....

[Marsh.]

Yeah, not reasons and explanations. Just the list of awards and the names next to them for each person who votes is all.

If they're having this "opt out" thing then it shouldn't be a problem. Sensitive members who may get offended will then not participate, ergo, no drama.

[InOne]

Well we'll just have to see what happens won't we.

[michael21]

me & Vicky like drama :amazed::laugh:

[Marsh.]

me & Vicky like drama :amazed::laugh:

Vicky and I....

[michael21]

Vicky and I....

Vicky and pie :idc:

[Matt]

in a much more base way, too, submitting votes publically would make it obvious who's going to win... it'd make the entire surprise element redundant

This is basically why voting will remain anonymous, at least initially - although if people really wanted to know who voted for them I guess I could tell them after the ceremony

[Kizzy]

Well we'll just have to see what happens won't we.

We will, it seems odd to me though that there is one amnesty, one massive snipefest that as said creates paranoia and bad feeling on the forum....
And yet anyone who 'wins' and is slightly embarrassed or offended is berated as it's only a 'laff'....makes no sense.

[Kizzy]

This is basically why voting will remain anonymous, at least initially - although if people really wanted to know who voted for them I guess I could tell them after the ceremony

Excellent idea!!
Problem solved :)

[InOne]

We will, it seems odd to me though that there is one amnesty, one massive snipefest that as said creates paranoia and bad feeling on the forum....
And yet anyone who 'wins' and is slightly embarrassed or offended is berated as it's only a 'laff'....makes no sense.

Best not to think about it too much then :)

[LemonJam]

I have to say over the 4 years this has been hosted I've never been offended when someones nominated for something BECAUSE I'VE NEVER BEEN NOMINATED HAHAHA I'M SO PERFECT

[Shaun]

This is basically why voting will remain anonymous, at least initially - although if people really wanted to know who voted for them I guess I could tell them after the ceremony

no. just no, matt. don't. just no. :idc:

[King Gizzard]

about 3% of the forum will actually vote if it's un anonymous

[Marsh.]

Then the other 97% are spineless pussies.

[Shaun]

or people who don't just pop up when the slightest hint of an argument is afoot

[Marsh.]

or people who don't just pop up when the slightest hint of an argument is afoot

What argument? It's voting for a silly award.