"The last time a candidate will look like romney"

[the truth]

Thats the last time we will ever see a presidential candidate who looks like romney...This was what bonnie greer spouted on itv election coverage about mitt romney, personally I think thats prejudiced , bordering on racial stereotyping. Its unnecessary and it doesnt help. unlike the great communicator barack obama, such comments inflame and divide.That language must end.

no one would ever consider saying such a comment in such a derogatory stereotyping way about any other group of people, black, hispanic, gay, disabled, female etc . She also finger points a lot which is plain rude, but this anti white male stereotyping must be avoided. Im not keen on her, she tries to take the moral high ground but she comes across as a sanctimonious hypocrite.

totall unnecessary comments imho

[Alf]

the great communicator?
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[Shaun]

I assume she meant it in the super-rich mormon sense, but sure, continue this absurd "poor oppressed white straight guy" spiel

[Shaun]

the great communicator?
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bit of a lame hackjob... only five minutes from four years of presidency, of oratory blunders? oh well.

[MTVN]

Yeah it was probably more a reference to how the Republican party will have to change and modernise to get more black/hispanic voters and be considered more in touch, I very much doubt she was purely talking about his appearance as a white male

[the truth]

Yeah it was probably more a reference to how the Republican party will have to change and modernise to get more black/hispanic voters and be considered more in touch, I very much doubt she was purely talking about his appearance as a white male

she was

[the truth]

I assume she meant it in the super-rich mormon sense, but sure, continue this absurd "poor oppressed white straight guy" spiel

thats right its impossible for a white man to be discriminated against isnt it?

[Mystic Mock]

Yeah it was probably more a reference to how the Republican party will have to change and modernise to get more black/hispanic voters and be considered more in touch, I very much doubt she was purely talking about his appearance as a white male

I think she was meaning this aswell, The Republicans are to outdated and in this election Romney only had some older white guys voting for him because he scared everybody else off if his HQ was anything to go by.

[Saph]

probably a good thing anyway

[Mystic Mock]

thats right its impossible for a white man to be discriminated against isnt it?

Nobody is saying that but im sure if Romney or anyone else had a problem with her we would all be hearing about it like we did about John Terry over Anton Ferdinand.

[the truth]

Nobody is saying that but im sure if Romney or anyone else had a problem with her we would all be hearing about it like we did about John Terry over Anton Ferdinand.

no thats not true. in the real world there are virtually no associations offering help to white men in these situations. how many claims have you ever heard from white men of disccrimination against other cultures or ethnicities or sexual discrimination against a female colleague? there is no support for white men, thats why white male suicide is at an all time high worldwide, no one cares about them or their opinions, not in divorce, not in losing custody, not in mass suicide rates, not in abortion, not in sexual discrimination, the number of agencies supporting women and ethnicminories is over 100 to 1 ratio ....men are told to express their feelings? to who? I recall ronnie osullivan saying he was suicidal, no one took him serious, with all his millions he ended uprigning the samaritans. it was treated as a joke

I find what bonnie greer was racist and offensive. she can say it may be the last time a rich white man runs for president, but to say its the last time a man who looks like that will run for president is a step too far and is discrimination and would be called discrimination if it was said about a black man or any woman. thats a fact. when said about a white man its a joke, when said about a woman or a black man its a multi million pound law suit.too many double standards.

youll now call me a racist chauvanist. etc utter rubbish. ive ever discriminated against anyone ever. I detest racism and sexism. But what we have now is a 2 tier biased system which in the end fails everyone

[Mystic Mock]

You have a point on some stuff like white guys can be treated more harshly compared to other groups of people, but on racism I don't believe it as I read a story recently where this white family got away with beating up this Asian guy on the street.

[the truth]

You have a point on some stuff like white guys can be treated more harshly compared to other groups of people, but on racism I don't believe it as I read a story recently where this white family got away with beating up this Asian guy on the street.

I know I make good points, Im the only person looking at both sides of the arguments on this whole site. but Im fraid your answer doesnt make sense?

1) One racist incident doesnt compare to the worldwide figures. in your example the police should arrest the people. if they dont its the polices fault. perhaps there is resentment of the bias in law inthe plice ranks which is making them reluctant follow up these race hate crimes. this is what happens when the law is biased in favour of one group over another. these racists are scum, the police are a total failure. however this will happen more and more if one side feels oppressed and feels the law is biased against them.

2) white male suicides worldwide outnumber female by over 4 to 1. the support for white men in all areas is closer to 100 to 1 in favour of women. not 1 politician has ever dared mention these facts. where do abused fathers and husbands go? where do husbands go when women have affairs , change the house locks and move their lovers in? then take the children? then ask their ex husbands to pay the mortgage and pay for the children via the csa? where do male soldiers go after coming home from war? theres no military hospitals left?

3) male teachers are less than 10% in primary schools. over half broken families have no present father, so over half children have no male in their lives. men are villified the world over because of the behaviour of a tiny tiny minority of sick perverts. there are sick women too but its not highlighted.

4) male abuse suffered is simply ignored. credit card abuse, mental and physical abuse, financial emotional abuse. we all know women who abuse themselves in pregnancy as a way to hurt their partners. this actually happens. over 20% abortion rate, how many are simply life style choices, how many done out of spite to hurt their partners|? obviously many are just scared women who havent got a clue what to do? men arent even allowed an opinion even if its their child who is being killed by drink , drugs, smoking or abortion

5) blanket laws punish good men and bad. laws with more layers and more variables allow society to measure each situation on a case by case basis. we know have a blanket law where all white men can be accused of anything, regardless how true it is and with the media witch hunt and twitter gossip, a white male is guilty before being proved innocent. thi sdefies everythig this country was built on. gossip is now more powerful than facts in law.

[Mystic Mock]

I think you might be right on most of the stuff you've said there, but I just think with racial attack The Police nor The Government take it seriously enough.

[the truth]

I think you might be right on most of the stuff you've said there, but I just think with racial attack The Police nor The Government take it seriously enough.

did you really read them all?

not if its racism or especially sexism against a man...how many sexisim cases have actually been awarded in favour of men against women over the past decade? less than 1%...How many racism cases perpetrated by other ethicities against white men have been upheld? probably less than 10%

frankly Id advise every man on the planet to forget marriage in future. Men simply have no real rights and no support network at all, the laws and the public perception is 100% against them. Any man, especially white man, can have his entire world destroyed at any second by any white lie, false accusation , spendthrift partner or adulteress partner. Why take the risk anymore? clearly the mass of women believe the radical feminist agenda that all men are potential rapists. so why not just forget marriage and love and romance completely. At least that way no accusations can be made and everyone can live in peace.

[Mystic Mock]

One thing that always annoys me is if the children want to live with there Dad the law still favors the Mother, even if she's a trainwreck.

[MTVN]

Good article in the Telegraph today about how the Republicans need to change their outlook http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/us-election/9661524/US-election-2012-Its-time-for-a-Republican-Party-clear-out.html

[the truth]

Good article in the Telegraph today about how the Republicans need to change their outlook http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/us-election/9661524/US-election-2012-Its-time-for-a-Republican-Party-clear-out.html

They need to change their outlook mainly on healthcare, thats light years ahead as the biggest issue..........they also then need to change their views on foreignpolicies and colonialism , though some liberal analysts are a bit too rose tinted at times....take syria , should the US send in the troops? should they find rebels to arm? should they increase sanctions? should they do nothing as tens of thousands die? should they use drone strikes to reduce the collatoral damage and death rate? theres no easy answer, to pretend there is , is dangerous.

especially on spreading some wealth and regulating the corrupt corporates. as for gay marriage , its a no brainer, let them marry, why stop it? do u enforce every church, no. if a church doesnt wish to do gay marriages, then they will ultimately become less popular. its a non issue as far as im concerned. abortion wasnt properlydiscussed, neither were male issues at all. such as male suicide rates at all times highs worldwide. everyone says men need to show their feelings more and tell people if they need help>? theres no one to tell? no one to listen?

the republicans were foolish on these issues and also they didnt convey their message well on the whole. they will always be the party for aspiring millionaires. thhats fine imho. its vital to keep that ambition to become successful. thats essential in driving a society forward. too much socialism would destroy everything. balance is the key, i think obama brings that balance.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

She might've been trying to say something along the lines of what Bill O'Reilly said. "The white establishment is now a minority" [so all white candidates willl always be outvoted from now on biatch!] :devil:

:PS: These are not my views.

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[the truth]

bill oreilly is not respected. besides bonnie said it in an even more derogatory way. if i was to say thats the last time id employ a person who looked like that (about a black person or a woman) would that be accepted in the mainstream? no of course not. so why is it accepted when saying it about a white man?

[Roy Mars III]

She might've been trying to say something along the lines of what Bill O'Reilly said. "The white establishment is now a minority" [so all white candidates willl always be outvoted from now on biatch!] :devil:

:PS: These are not my views.

4KR8bqSiztI

the president after Obama will be white

[the truth]

its an ignorant and unnecessary racist comment from bonnie imho ...the next president will be the person democratically elected...what she said showed she is just as much an outdated dinosaur as all he racists she hates

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

bill oreilly is not respected. besides bonnie said it in an even more derogatory way. if i was to say thats the last time id employ a person who looked like that (about a black person or a woman) would that be accepted in the mainstream? no of course not. so why is it accepted when saying it about a white man?

You're right it would cause "outrage" if a person said that a black person and saying it about a white person is not right either but do you know why people seem to take it as less offensive when stuff like these are said about white people? It's because majority regard white people as leaders of the world anyway. Whites own the banks, government (even if the president is black he doesn't make all the decisions) and pretty much any establishment that people have to answer to to survive, are owned by white people, so when other races say offensive things about whites it is deemed less effective than if a white person were to say i'll never employ to black person again because it has happened before and most certainly can in the higher ranked businesses in this world or any type of business to be honest.

Do you get what i'm trying to say? Am I making sense? I'm eating, typing and watching xfactor at the same time.:conf:

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

^^Not saying it's an excuse at all of course, but that's how things seem to be with some.

Same as if a black person says redneck, or whatever whites deem offensive it would be deemed less offensive than if a white said the N word because of the history behind it where the whites imposed their racist views on most races.


.....I hope what im trying to say is coming off well. :nono:

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

the president after Obama will be white

I believe this too. I don't see this [black president] happening ever again after this. Could be wrong of course. :joker:

[Mystic Mock]

A black President will happen again I think, I just think it will take a long time after Obama.

[the truth]

You're right it would cause "outrage" if a person said that a black person and saying it about a white person is not right either but do you know why people seem to take it as less offensive when stuff like these are said about white people? It's because majority regard white people as leaders of the world anyway. Whites own the banks, government (even if the president is black he doesn't make all the decisions) and pretty much any establishment that people have to answer to to survive, are owned by white people, so when other races say offensive things about whites it is deemed less effective than if a white person were to say i'll never employ to black person again because it has happened before and most certainly can in the higher ranked businesses in this world or any type of business to be honest.

Do you get what i'm trying to say? Am I making sense? I'm eating, typing and watching xfactor at the same time.:conf:

white people do not own all these things, thats simply racial sterotyping
people say jews control the banks and thats considered racial stereotyping bordering on anti semetic, if you racially stereotype any other group the world goes wild , except for the white male. in the middle east its 95% non white people who own the majority of wealth , so that again counters this white men rule myth... its plain wrong to racially sterotype anyone and Im here to challenge that double standard

[Roy Mars III]

A black President will happen again I think, I just think it will take a long time after Obama.

think Cory Booker will have a very good chance, in a few years time.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

white people do not own all these things, thats simply racial sterotyping
people say jews control the banks and thats considered racial stereotyping bordering on anti semetic, if you racially stereotype any other group the world goes wild , except for the white male. in the middle east its 95% non white people who own the majority of wealth , so that again counters this white men rule myth... its plain wrong to racially sterotype anyone and Im here to challenge that double standard

the truth :bawling:

[the truth]

A black President will happen again I think, I just think it will take a long time after Obama.

I disagree. it all depends if a great person comes along like obama. he is a truly remarkable individual and I think it is his rich life experience and rich and diverse family background that has contributed to him becoming so remarkable, so well rounded and so understanding and open minded to the feelings of millions of different people. the end result is a man whom most people feel they can relate to. ultimately skin color doesnt matter , but the heritage , the richness of hislife experiences and his remarkable character does matter. He doesnt come across in any way as bitter or self pitying at all imho. he just comes across as genuine, intelligent, thoughtful, balanced, cohesive, decent. I could go on. Not necessarily qualities that always work in the jungle of politics. but in his case it has worked. I just hope he can now get the us economy back on track.

if michelle obama ever ran she would have enormous support, probably including mine too. I think shes a great person.

[Mystic Mock]

think Cory Booker will have a very good chance, in a few years time.

I suppose it depends who he faces.

[Roy Mars III]

I suppose it depends who he faces.

the Republicans have a good chance in four years, nothing will get better with Obama (though it won't get worse like it would have with Romney), but the Republicans need to sort themselves out a bit. Though I like Chris Christie he will never win because it is always partly down on looks and he doesn't look like we envision a president. They need a minority( a Latino, to be blunt) to have a chance.

[Mystic Mock]

I agree Roy that they need to put an ethnic minority as there next candidate as a large portion of the world see them as the Crazy Party.

Of course the candidate would also have to be decent at the job.

[the truth]

I agree Roy that they need to put an ethnic minority as there next candidate as a large portion of the world see them as the Crazy Party.

Of course the candidate would also have to be decent at the job.

rubio is emerging already, not sure of his ethnicity

[Alf]

what your saying truth in a nutshell is, when it come's to prejudice there's an hierarchy
and your totally right.

[MTVN]

Yeah Rubio is looking likely for 2016 I think, even though it's obviously impossible to really predict that far ahead, hopefully it doesn't end up being someone like Paul Ryan

[Mystic Mock]

What's Paul Ryan's policies?

[MTVN]

He's really socially conservative, completely against abortion and same sex marriage, I actually think he's quite intelligent economically and he's quite a young and dynamic figure so is quite popular among a lot of Republicans, he was Romney's running mate this year

[Niall]

I assume she meant it in the super-rich mormon sense, but sure, continue this absurd "poor oppressed white straight guy" spiel

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[the truth]

cant back ryan hes too radical altogether...we need someone nearer the centre and less fundamental imho

[Mystic Mock]

He's really socially conservative, completely against abortion and same sex marriage, I actually think he's quite intelligent economically and he's quite a young and dynamic figure so is quite popular among a lot of Republicans, he was Romney's running mate this year

Thanks for the reply.

What I've just read gives me a mixed opinion of him as I don't think completely banning abortion will solve the problem, and as im not homophobic I disagree with him being against same sex marriage aswell, but what America does need is someone that's good economically.

[the truth]

Thanks for the reply.

What I've just read gives me a mixed opinion of him as I don't think completely banning abortion will solve the problem, and as im not homophobic I disagree with him being against same sex marriage aswell, but what America does need is someone that's good economically.

good for who? bush is a multimillionaire in business with the saudis, but he bankrupted the nation in a couple of years?