Should people in a high profile position resign for having affairs?

[Ammi]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-20276610
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/david-petraeus-resigns-as-cia-director/2012/11/09/636d204e-2aa8-11e2-bab2-eda299503684_story.html

...I saw this on another site that CIA director David Petraeus has resigned from his post, admitting he had an extramarital affair...personally I don't approve of anyone cheating on their partner...but I would think the majority of people wouldn't have to resign because of it....is it different for people in high profile jobs...?...why is it different....?....

[King Gizzard]

It happens in all of these top executive roles these days..there is a culture of if something goes wrong, that person is demanded to resign. I don't really think it's the answer, just people for blood

[SharkAttack]

It happens in all of these top executive roles these days..there is a culture of if something goes wrong, that person is demanded to resign. I don't really think it's the answer, just people for blood

That, and no government wants their "head of whichever department" having their lives being opened to the public and scrutinized. Cut bait and sail forth. Happens everywhere, and it makes sense, even though it's disturbingly inhuman.

And there's what's happening to the man behind the Elmo muppet. :(

[Kizzy]

Maybe it's just accepted thats what happens in that role,
She could have been approched and paid/threatened to find out information?
Those in the 'bible belt' may find it hard to trust someone who can't even stay honest to his own wife.

[Ammi]

Maybe it's just accepted thats what happens in that role,
She could have been approched and paid/threatened to find out information?
Those in the 'bible belt' may find it hard to trust someone who can't even stay honest to his own wife.



...yeah, there is that but couldn't the same be said for anyone in his circle of friends..?...

..the 'bible belt' part is valid but it happens everywhere..I just took this as one example...

[MTVN]

I guess when you're in a position like he was the line between your personal and professional life are always going to be pretty blurred, part and parcel of representing a leading national body

[arista]

Yes
he was Poking her in his own Office.


Utter Randy Fool

[Kizzy]

Like mtvn said they don't accept just anyone into their 'circle of trust' when you are in that kind of organization.
I get what you mean about others, like George Entwhistle and the head of childrens sevices following baby P?
Can't remember her name, something Shoesmith I think.

[Livia]

People who are in positions of power where national security is concerned should expect their private life to be up for scrutiny.

[Jesus.]

No. Private is private, and work is work.

If we trust these people to be appointed to these posts in the first place, and we trust them to retain information that is classified, then just because they are having sex with someone else is no reason to fire them.

[Livia]

Don't you think they make themselves vulnerable?

[Ammi]

...yes, they could just as easily 'divulge' something to anyone...what if they were to get divorced, without having an affair..and their ex wife or soon to be ex wife went public with confidential information....

..and the same sort of Company confidential stuff could apply to anyone...yet not everyone's position is threatened through having an affair...


,,not that I in any way approve of decieving your partner..because I don't...

[Livia]

...yes, they could just as easily 'divulge' something to anyone...what if they were to get divorced, without having an affair..and their ex wife or soon to be ex wife went public with confidential information....

..and the same sort of Company confidential stuff could apply to anyone...yet not everyone's position is threatened through having an affair...


,,not that I in any way approve of decieving your partner..because I don't...

I wonder whether there would be a confidentially clause built in and upon which the divorce settlement depended? Or perhaps their spouse would be required to sign their version of the Official Secrets Act? I'm just guessing... But when you stop shagging your mistress it's a different matter.

[Vanessa]

I don't think they should resign just because they're having an affair. I don't approve of it, but i just don't see why they should leave their job. :shrug:

[arista]

I don't think they should resign just because they're having an affair. I don't approve of it, but i just don't see why they should leave their job. :shrug:



Your are Wrong as he was a Security risk
so busy bonking her on his desk.

[Vanessa]

Your are Wrong as he was a Security risk
so busy bonking her on his desk.

:joker:

[Jesus.]

Don't you think they make themselves vulnerable?

Not especially. These are people who've dedicated their lives to working to "protect" their countries.

We trust them with secret information all the time. Unless the position calls for celibacy, then it's really irrelevant who people are sleeping with.

I'm sure Petreus didn't turn in to a gossiping 13 year old, just because he's putting his penis in some new orifices.

[Ammi]

I wonder whether there would be a confidentially clause built in and upon which the divorce settlement depended? Or perhaps their spouse would be required to sign their version of the Official Secrets Act? I'm just guessing... But when you stop shagging your mistress it's a different matter.

..I wonder if they have the same sort of gagging orders that celebrities and sports people have..but I guess with the internet there isn't such a thing as a gagging order....

[Marc]

Yes.

[Ammi]

Yes.


...LOL...yes what..?..you've just made me spit my drink out again....

[Livia]

Not especially. These are people who've dedicated their lives to working to "protect" their countries.

We trust them with secret information all the time. Unless the position calls for celibacy, then it's really irrelevant who people are sleeping with.

I'm sure Petreus didn't turn in to a gossiping 13 year old, just because he's putting his penis in some new orifices.

Well, I'm not so sure. Sex can be a powerful persuader. And the trouble with the people who've dedicated their lives to the protection of their country is they they are human.

[Livia]

..I wonder if they have the same sort of gagging orders that celebrities and sports people have..but I guess with the internet there isn't such a thing as a gagging order....

Stop saying gagging. Just stop...

[Kizzy]

Any organisation that has confidential material that is of interest to other parties is at risk of espionage.
I'm sure it's happened that men have compromised themselves due to 'pillow talk'.

[Ammi]

Stop saying gagging. Just stop...


...yes..I'm sorry..I wasn't trying to bait you....LOL....

[the truth]

no its a disaster. it basically empowers tabloid trash and any gossip or anyone who wants to chase an affair and takes away all the power from the person whose career is at stake. replacing people with that lifetimes experience is impossible. we dont do in for doctors or lawyers, why do it for army generals>? it reduces everything to tabloid gossip and destroys 30 year careers and damages the nations military and many others areas....imagine a heart surgeon who saves 100s of lives quitting over an alleged one night stand? its nuts. would I have less trust in the heart surgeon saving a life, heck no.

[Kizzy]

no its a disaster. it basically empowers tabloid trash and any gossip or anyone who wants to chase an affair and takes away all the power from the person whose career is at stake. replacing people with that lifetimes experience is impossible. we dont do in for doctors or lawyers, why do it for army generals>? it reduces everything to tabloid gossip and destroys 30 year careers and damages the nations military and many others areas....imagine a heart surgeon who saves 100s of lives quitting over an alleged one night stand? its nuts. would I have less trust in the heart surgeon saving a life, heck no.

Could a heart surgeon provide you with enough information to bring down nations?...

[the truth]

Could a heart surgeon provide you with enough information to bring down nations?...

it would soon bring down nations if we sacked everyone who had transgressed in relationships

[MTVN]

Resigning =/= firing, ok so maybe they are effectively forced into it but I still think there is a difference between someone being fired solely for having an affair and that person realising it makes their position untenable

[the truth]

Resigning =/= firing, ok so maybe they are effectively forced into it but I still think there is a difference between someone being fired solely for having an affair and that person realising it makes their position untenable

the only reason it supposedly makes their position untenable is because we allow an hysterical 24 hour media to control everything including who we hire and fire. the sheer amount of corruption that is far harder to uncover yet is infinitely more damaging to our country , that goes unchecked is staggering. whereas someones tittle tattle private life and tales of flings affairs or swinging open relationships is seen as far more important yet is utterly irrelevant to our lives, is more important than blatant theft or corruption on the job. theft and corruption is often not investigated. we just go for the cheap and easy targets. same as the police, target the old lady who needs a new brake light or parks on a double yellow line at night for 2 minutes , ignore the hard drugs in the night clubs and the beatings that ensue from these druggies

look at local government corruption, exactly how many work for your council? how much corruption and waste? where do you go to get it investigated? exactly how many people work in the complaints depatrment? Ill bet the ratio is worse than 1 person per 1000 employees investigating corruption. even then youve got 2 hopes of a thorough independent investigation, bob hope and no hope

[MTVN]

the only reason it supposedly makes their position untenable is because we allow an hysterical 24 hour media to control everything including who we hire and fire. the sheer amount of corruption that is far harder to uncover yet is infinitely more damaging to our country , that goes unchecked is staggering. whereas someones tittle tattle private life and tales of flings affairs or swinging open relationships is seen as far more important yet is utterly irrelevant to our lives, is more important than blatant theft or corruption on the job. theft and corruption is often not investigated. we just go for the cheap and easy targets. same as the police, target the old lady who needs a new brake light or parks on a double yellow line at night for 2 minutes , ignore the hard drugs in the night clubs and the beatings that ensue from these druggies

look at local government corruption, exactly how many work for your council? how much corruption and waste? where do you go to get it investigated? exactly how many people work in the complaints depatrment? Ill bet the ratio is worse than 1 person per 1000 employees investigating corruption. even then youve got 2 hopes of a thorough independent investigation, bob hope and no hope

I'm afraid I don't see the relevance of much this, particularly to a case occurring in the States

[Marcus.]

they need to do something

[the truth]

I'm afraid I don't see the relevance of much this, particularly to a case occurring in the States

you can bet local government is just as corrupt and incompetent over there, try and join the dots please dont play dumb, no offence

[Ammi]

you can bet local government is just as corrupt and incompetent over there, try and join the dots please dont play dumb, no offence

...well that is offensive..how could you think it wouldn't be..and the thing is that you're actually quite frequently offensive...you've virtually accused members of being murderers... because they have different abortion views to you...of being heathens and godless..because they don't share the same religious views..you don't respect their views..you don't respect them..all you do is insult them for having them...I don't even personally believe you have such care and thought for the unborn, when you have such little respect for the living...

..I don't take offence if anyone has completely opposing views to mine...it actually makes for a healthy and interesting discussion..it would be all too boring if everyone thought the same and just posted..oh yeah, I agree...that doesn't make you think about things...think about whether your views are valid..we may as well just do away with the SD section...but the problem is...you kill most discussions with your personal insults...so I for one lose hope of ever learning anything or hearing other people's points of view...which, after all is what educates us..because our world isn't so insular and we're not so knowledgable that we don't constantly learn from others.....

...I could say more..but tbh I believe this is pointless anyway...so I'll just say again..yes of course it's offensive...it's much too often offensive....

[arista]

"you're actually quite frequently offensive."


He must have his reasons?



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[Kizzy]

...well that is offensive..how could you think it wouldn't be..and the thing is that you're actually quite frequently offensive...you've virtually accused members of being murderers... because they have different abortion views to you...of being heathens and godless..because they don't share the same religious views..you don't respect their views..you don't respect them..all you do is insult them for having them...I don't even personally believe you have such care and thought for the unborn, when you have such little respect for the living...

..I don't take offence if anyone has completely opposing views to mine...it actually makes for a healthy and interesting discussion..it would be all too boring if everyone thought the same and just posted..oh yeah, I agree...that doesn't make you think about things...think about whether your views are valid..we may as well just do away with the SD section...but the problem is...you kill most discussions with your personal insults...so I for one lose hope of ever learning anything or hearing other people's points of view...which, after all is what educates us..because our world isn't so insular and we're not so knowledgable that we don't constantly learn from others.....

...I could say more..but tbh I believe this is pointless anyway...so I'll just say again..yes of course it's offensive...it's much too often offensive....

I'm getting a bit sick of seeing your rants ammi, his posting style may be a bit abrupt but lets leave it to the moderators to decide what is perceived as 'too offensive'.
At times we can all go a little OTT can't we?

[InOne]

I'm getting a bit sick of seeing your rants ammi, his posting style may be a bit abrupt but lets leave it to the moderators to decide what is concieved as 'too offensive'.
At times we can all go a little OTT can't we?

Ammi isn't the only one who has found him offensive kizzy. He clearly annoys a lot of members with the way he airs his views. Being abrupt doesn't mean you have to be constantly rude and insult people and that's what he seems to do.

[Kizzy]

Ammi isn't the only one who has found him offensive kizzy. He clearly annoys a lot of members with the way he airs his views. Being abrupt doesn't mean you have to be constantly rude and insult people and that's what he seems to do.

If anyone finds posts offensive then I thought the advice was to report, not give members a good 'telling off' on open forum?

[InOne]

If anyone finds posts offensive then a thought the advice was to report, not give members a good 'telling off' on open forum?

It's not really your business what other members do is it...

Also you did exactly the same thing by 'telling off' Ammi

[Kizzy]

It's not really your business what other members do is it...

I am just making an observation. Two wrongs don't make a right do they?

I couldn't report her post, I didn't find it offensive just unnecessary.
However, ammi did find the truths post offensive...
do you understand?

[InOne]

See my edit

[Kizzy]

see mine.

[InOne]

Seen it but not rising to it :)

[Niamh.]

Yeah ok can we get back on topic now please.

[Kizzy]

I am with mtvn here, there are positions where any breach of security would result in instant dismissal.
If this woman had access to his email account, then this could be a breach of security I would have thought?

[Suze]

I can't understand why some in such jobs would 'risk those jobs' because they can't keep their libido in control, especially during those office hours.

[arista]

I can't understand why some in such jobs would 'risk those jobs' because they can't keep their libido in control, especially during those office hours.


He had Top Power
and wanted her bent over his big desk.



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