gay couples to adopt is a form of child abuse, says UKIP election candidate

[arista]

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"Allowing gay couples to adopt is a form of child abuse, says UKIP election candidate
Winston McKenzie is standing in this week's Croydon North by-election
Former boxer says letting same sex couples adopt is a violation of children's human rights
He also accuses gay celebrities of coming out 'as a fashion'"



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2239042/Allowing-gay-couples-adopt-form-child-abuse-says-UKIP-election-candidate.html#ixzz2DRpWLlko

What a Fool
He could have won that Election.

[Jamie585]

Haha, He also looks like a complete *****

[Marcus.]

He shot himself in the foot

[Kizzy]

I'm pleased this biggoted 'party' are outing themselves as totally backwards, any credibility they had is gone...

[Ramsay]

I bet he secretly loves the willy

[Marcus.]

I bet he secretly loves the willy

Boom

[Novo]

The Highest rated comment on there surprised me

[LemonJam]

****ing hell I despair for the people who wrote those top comments.

[Black Dagger]

Daily Mail readers in acting like ******** shocker?

[Jack_]

Welcome to the BNP Lite party and the paper of the reactionary right.

[Saph]

some of the comments on there are just horrendous

[Munchkins]

Everyone its daily ****ing fail, what do you expect :conf:

[Marcus.]

Everyone its daily ****ing fail, what do you expect :conf:

Them not be like that

[arista]

Welcome to the BNP Lite party and the paper of the reactionary right.

No way.

[Kizzy]

The underclass have the BNP
everyone else has UKIP
ignorance packaged and presented with a more socially acceptable bow...

[MTVN]

Bit lazy to compare them to the BNP, they're not really similar at all

But yeah it's a pretty dumb comment, will erase a lot of the sympathy Ukip have received over the foster parents thing

[Niall]

Although what he said is more than awful, I'm glad that it's been exposed. UKIP getting any power in this country is an appalling thing. They're nothing but a backwards and destructive lot.

I think it's also disgusting that he's suggested that gay celebrities coming out of the woodwork is nothing more than a fashion. Nothing makes my blood boil more than when someone suggests being gay is a matter of choice or lifestyle.

[Livia]

I'm no supporter of UKIP, but a lot of their policies are what people have been screaming for... no cuts to front line police, scrap tuition fees and reintroduce the student grant, raise pensions... unfortunately some of their other policies are archaic and bigoted. That said, I'm sure that the comments made by the idiot referred to in the original post won't be appearing in the UKIP manifesto anytime soon.

[Raph]

What a twat :bored:

[Nedusa]

I think the Child abuse that is mentioned in the opening post refers to the years of playground abuse name calling and bullying the poor unsuspecting child will have to endure after he or she inadvertently lets it slip that he/she has two daddies and no mummy and that his/her two daddies sleep together in a big bed.

Children can be particularly cruel....!!!!

[Kizzy]

I cannot believe there is support for this behaviour....
Are we not living in an elightened age where intolerance is frowned upon?
I worry, we appear to be stuck firmly in reverse here ...If we allow the dark ages of forbidden love and dirty family secrets to be the way to live for same sex couples!
Children up and down the UK are crying out for loving families, how draconian to suggest that cannot nurture or provide the stability and guidence kids need!
I do not find it 'lazy' to compare them to the BNP either, this kind of influence that demonises people because of their sexual preference, is not a million miles from their views of foreigners to me.
What is happening to equality?
Has anyone actually asked the children in these cases their view?
No... It seems it is the blinkered, new right attitudes that in my opinion have no place in modern day society.

[Shaun]

I think the Child abuse that is mentioned in the opening post refers to the years of playground abuse name calling and bullying the poor unsuspecting child will have to endure after he or she inadvertently lets it slip that he/she has two daddies and no mummy and that his/her two daddies sleep together in a big bed.

Children can be particularly cruel....!!!!

children can taunt each other over mobile phone brands, I don't think we should ban them because of it. Thankfully most outgrow such childish behaviour.

[Tom4784]

The words of moronic bigots mean very little to me.

Gender and sexuality doesn't matter when it comes to good parenting, I bet most children in the system just want a loving home and wouldn't care if their parents were gay or not. A good home is a good home and they are in short supply these days so there's no point in limiting them even further.

[MTVN]

I think the Child abuse that is mentioned in the opening post refers to the years of playground abuse name calling and bullying the poor unsuspecting child will have to endure after he or she inadvertently lets it slip that he/she has two daddies and no mummy and that his/her two daddies sleep together in a big bed.

Children can be particularly cruel....!!!!

That's not what it's referring to, from the article:

‘To say to a child, “I am having you adopted by two men who kiss regularly but don’t worry about it” – that is abuse.

‘It is a violation of a child’s human rights because that child has no opportunity to grow up under normal circumstances’ he told Metro

[Jack_]

I think the Child abuse that is mentioned in the opening post refers to the years of playground abuse name calling and bullying the poor unsuspecting child will have to endure after he or she inadvertently lets it slip that he/she has two daddies and no mummy and that his/her two daddies sleep together in a big bed.

Children can be particularly cruel....!!!!

Oh yeah sure, let's just prevent gay couples from adopting then for the reasons you suggested and continue to portray the message that it is indeed wrong to children. Have you ever thought that perhaps by putting the wheels in motion for reform you might in time end up where something is regarded as normal? If there's more of it, it's less 'deviant' and is less susceptible to questioning and indeed abuse. But nah...***** it, let's just pander to the problem.

“I am having you adopted by two men who kiss regularly but don’t worry about it”

That just makes me cringe. Not the fact that it's homophobic, just because it's such a cringeworthy thing to say. 'Two men who kiss regularly'...who the hell talks like that?

[Kizzy]

A basic human right should be a loving home.
are we not seeking to eradicate, racism, sexism and religious intolerance?
The best way to do this is to teach children that to coexist is the norm.
To reaffirm negative attitudes and stereotypes that same sex relationships are 'unnatural' is to me against their human rights...
The right to formulate their own opinions

[Benjamin]

I think the Child abuse that is mentioned in the opening post refers to the years of playground abuse name calling and bullying the poor unsuspecting child will have to endure after he or she inadvertently lets it slip that he/she has two daddies and no mummy and that his/her two daddies sleep together in a big bed.

Children can be particularly cruel....!!!!

Children can be cruel, but that cannot be labelled child abuse from letting homosexuals adopt.

[Mystic Mock]

When you think that there's a party out there that's good enough to defeat the bloated top 3, they come out with some of the biggest trash that anyone could read.

Come on Green Party for me now.

[Mystic Mock]

Children can be cruel, but that cannot be labelled child abuse from letting homosexuals adopt.

I agree, they will just be encouraging the children to mock otherwise.

[the truth]

Haha, He also looks like a complete *****

verbal abusers are hypcrites:nono:

[the truth]

A basic human right should be a loving home.
are we not seeking to eradicate, racism, sexism and religious intolerance?
The best way to do this is to teach children that to coexist is the norm.
To reaffirm negative attitudes and stereotypes that same sex relationships are 'unnatural' is to me against their human rights...
The right to formulate their own opinions

Isnt he allowed an opinion on the matter?

[Kizzy]

Once again you hijack a thread and manipulate it to suit your own agenda....
In my post the intention of using the word 'equality' was deliberate. It shows how I feel, that the rights of couples to adopt should not be called into question before, during or after the adoption procedure.
This individual is entitled to his personal opinion... however, when those opinions become a political ideology then it becomes a problem.
The decision to remove these children from the supporters of UKIP was wrong, as you say they are entitled as individuals to believe whatever they like.
It's when whole parties unite to marginalize certain groups that you have a real problem with equality....

[SharkAttack]

The words of moronic bigots mean very little to me.

Gender and sexuality doesn't matter when it comes to good parenting, I bet most children in the system just want a loving home and wouldn't care if their parents were gay or not. A good home is a good home and they are in short supply these days so there's no point in limiting them even further.

All of this. And I do suppose it's where you're from, with the bullying, in reference to Nedusa. There's an older generation of bigotry that will slowly wilt and go away forever as that kind of thinking becomes diluted with each passing decade. Can't come soon enough.

[the truth]

Once again you hijack a thread and manipulate it to suit your own agenda....
In my post the intention of using the word 'equality' was deliberate. It shows how I feel, that the rights of couples to adopt should not be called into question before, during or after the adoption procedure.
This individual is entitled to his personal opinion... however, when those opinions become a political ideology then it becomes a problem.
The decision to remove these children from the supporters of UKIP was wrong, as you say they are entitled as individuals to believe whatever they like.
It's when whole parties unite to marginalize certain groups that you have a real problem with equality....

Thanks for the personal attack I shall duly report it
This is just 1 man , how can 1 man be an entire party?
The labour council abuse on UKIP and the foster family is profoudnly more disturbing, its a complete disgrace and they would be well advised to sue the council.

[Niamh.]

Two wrongs do not make a right. To redress the so called balance, by discriminating against the alleged oppressor is plain wrong. besides its the wrong target to start with. White men havent ruled the world, rich people have. As for discrimiantion, Ive read posters on here printing drivel like white men should burn etc I would also add what whiite men and women did hundreds of years ago is not the responsibility of todays white men and women. the law should be equally applied.

Who is discriminating against white straight men here? Please stick to the topic and do not derail this thread.

[the truth]

Who is discriminating against white straight men here? Please stick to the topic and do not derail this thread.

I hope you preach this to the other posters on this thread too, the ones who you may agree with too

[Niamh.]

I hope you preach this to the other posters on this thread too, the ones who you may agree with too

Nobody else is derailing this thread. That's the end of it please don't reply to me.

[the truth]

I cannot believe there is support for this behaviour....
Are we not living in an elightened age where intolerance is frowned upon?
I worry, we appear to be stuck firmly in reverse here ...If we allow the dark ages of forbidden love and dirty family secrets to be the way to live for same sex couples!
Children up and down the UK are crying out for loving families, how draconian to suggest that cannot nurture or provide the stability and guidence kids need!
I do not find it 'lazy' to compare them to the BNP either, this kind of influence that demonises people because of their sexual preference, is not a million miles from their views of foreigners to me.
What is happening to equality?
Has anyone actually asked the children in these cases their view?
No... It seems it is the blinkered, new right attitudes that in my opinion have no place in modern day society.

Kizzy brought up the issues of equality which is why we got sidetracked

[Jake.]

The whole thread is to do with issues of equality funnily enough

[Niamh.]

Kizzy brought up the issues of equality which is why we got sidetracked

Kizzy brought up the issue of equality for gay couples because it applies to the subject of this thread. You then started your usual derailing by going on about how hard straight white men have it -which is NOTHING to do with this thread- I'm through arguing here with you about it. Please stop it.

[Jake.]

Rubbish. what a dangerously oversimplified racist rewriting of 1000s of years of human history. for starters China is now probably the richest nation on earth, do you measure them all as white males? As for seeking the power out of white mens hands, a term I find racist, if you want to do it , do it legitimately not by allowing discrimination against the white man. The fact is the british built an empire due to their control of the seas and the ruthlessness of their monarchy. Its not a matter of skin colour or sexuality, its simply a matter of greed and competitive advantage. Im not remotely angry but thanks for pretending to care.

And you say that Kizzy side-tracked :whistle:

[the truth]

I cannot believe there is support for this behaviour....
Are we not living in an elightened age where intolerance is frowned upon?
I worry, we appear to be stuck firmly in reverse here ...If we allow the dark ages of forbidden love and dirty family secrets to be the way to live for same sex couples!
Children up and down the UK are crying out for loving families, how draconian to suggest that cannot nurture or provide the stability and guidence kids need!
I do not find it 'lazy' to compare them to the BNP either, this kind of influence that demonises people because of their sexual preference, is not a million miles from their views of foreigners to me.
What is happening to equality?
Has anyone actually asked the children in these cases their view?
No... It seems it is the blinkered, new right attitudes that in my opinion have no place in modern day society.

Theres loads of side issues brought up here , yet this is allowed. I mentioned straight men and Im told off by the radicaly leftists militants on the site. total bias.

[the truth]

And you say that Kizzy side-tracked :whistle:

Im responding to a response. as you know:dance:

[Niamh.]

If you want to continue that discussion you can do so here : http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=216301

Now back on topic.

[Livia]

A loving gay couple in a stable relationship would be far better parents and have more to offer a child than some fifteen year old child who gets pregnant. It's only fifty or so years since people could be imprisoned for being gay. We have come a long way... unfortunately there are still dinosaurs around. Give it a couple of generations and we might be worthy of calling ourselves a society.

I imagine there were a few people at UKIP yesterday who resembled Munch's "The Scream" when they heard this idiot's comments.

[the truth]

A loving gay couple in a stable relationship would be far better parents and have more to offer a child than some fifteen year old child who gets pregnant. It's only fifty or so years since people could be imprisoned for being gay. We have come a long way... unfortunately there are still dinosaurs around. Give it a couple of generations and we might be worthy of calling ourselves a society.

I imagine there were a few people at UKIP yesterday who resembled Munch's "The Scream" when they heard this idiot's comments.

Love is the most important thing, I dont think theres anything wrong with gay adoption. I do however think this candidate has the right to express the view he expressed. Iits the same with many controversial topics, its often better to allow freedom of speech up to a point. I recall Glenn hoddle started ranting once about disabled people paying for the sins of previous lives. A totally disgusting viewpoint which earned him the sack. however he is still entitled to that viewpoint. you cant legislate for everything, but you can sack people or vote them out. same with jimmy carr and sick comedy. you cant ban it all, but you can choose to say if you think its disgusting and choose not to go see the comic.

[Kizzy]

Yes attitudes to homosexuals have changed, so too I thought had those towards teen mums.
They were themselves stigmatized and sometimes institutionalized due to the attitudes of the day.
there will always be bigotry and prejudice, Rochdale council should never have been allowed make these decisions.
Do they think 'clamping' down will make up for years of failings within the city?
I fail to see their logic for this action.

[the truth]

Yes attitudes to homosexuals have changed, so too I thought had those towards teen mums.
They were themselves stigmatized and sometimes institutionalized due to the attitudes of the day.
there will always be bigotry and prejudice, Rochdale council should never have been allowed make these decisions.
Do they think 'clamping' down will make up for years of failings within the city?
I fail to see their logic for this action.

saldy weve gone from one extreme to another.