Could you be as brave as this Woman?

[InOne]

A woman who managed to convince a man not to kill her by pretending to enjoy the abuse and making him think she actually liked him.

The story starts around 25 seconds in and lasts 15 mins, it's her telling it http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0112t40

Also links about it: http://articles.latimes.com/1991-09-23/news/vw-2060_1_killer-s-attack

http://www.sanquentinblog.com/2012/11/serial-killers-lone-survivor-torn-by.html

[Vicky.]

I think, in that situation I would do exactly that. That said you never really know until it happens to you :/

[InOne]

It's interesting after all that she's still against the death penalty as well

[Munchkins]

I understand her not wanting the death penalty,, its the easy way out, you should be locked in a room for life with just gruel and water.. thats real punishment

[Kizzy]

It's interesting after all that she's still against the death penalty as well

Is it?
I think I would be too, to be controlled for the rest of his life would be more of a punishment to this man.

[InOne]

Is it?
I think I would be too, to be controlled for the rest of his life would be more of a punishment to this man.

Yes it is. If you listened to the thing she said she didn't speak out until now because all the other victims families wanted the Death Penalty

[King Gizzard]

death penalty is the biggest pile of tosh anyway

[Kizzy]

Yes it is. If you listened to the thing she said she didn't speak out until now because all the other victims families wanted the Death Penalty

What's that got to do with my opinion?

[InOne]

What's that got to do with my opinion?

Because you asked if it was interesting, and I said yes. As it opens up the debate of what would you want to happen to a person if they did that to you.

[Marsh.]

She does have a point saying we don't rape rapists and burn the houses of arsonists so the whole "eye for an eye" is quite warped.

[InOne]

She does have a point saying we don't rape rapists and burn the houses of arsonists so the whole "eye for an eye" is quite warped.

Yeah I thought that was a good point too, I've never really thought about it from that angle.

[Niamh.]

She does have a point saying we don't rape rapists and burn the houses of arsonists so the whole "eye for an eye" is quite warped.

Yeah I thought that was a good point too, I've never really thought about it from that angle.

Me neither, it is an interesting way to see it though

[King Gizzard]

You offer alot of (sane) killers who were on life sentences and they would snap your hands off if they had a chance of the death penalty

Easy way out.

[Kizzy]

Because you asked if it was interesting, and I said yes. As it opens up the debate of what would you want to happen to a person if they did that to you.

Ah,I questioned that as I'm guessing she was against the death penalty before, and understand why she would be after the ordeal too.

[Livia]

She was brave, I guess you do what you have to do in the fight for self-preservation. I find it interesting though, that the families of the five women he murdered want him dead. If he'd killed someone close to me, I'd want him off the earth for good.

[Mystic Mock]

Murdering psycho's like this is the best way to go as some nutjob in the Governments could set him loose and he could start hurting other women.

[InOne]

He had something like 50 odd years before he got the death penatly, he wouldn't have been going anywhere. Plus he was a serial killer so as high risk as they come

[Mystic Mock]

I understand what you're saying Scrooge but your thinking of how it is at the moment, any country can have a nutty leader and if that happened in America they could easily let serial killers out, thankfully this bastard got what he deserved though as he killed people and done my personal worst crime in sex crimes.

[Marsh.]

What kind of country would elect someone who would free all their serial killers? :suspect:

[Mystic Mock]

What kind of country would elect someone who would free all their serial killers? :suspect:

Nutjobs only reveal themselves as crazy after being elected and the public can't vote them out, Hitler being a prime example.

[InOne]

They love punishment in America, they sometimes cheer and party if it's a notorious killer. And plus it doesn't work like that, the President couldn't wake up one day and suddenly decide to let all the killers go lol

[Shaun]

[not a woman obviously but still throwing my two cents in]

I'd find it ridiculously difficult to pretend to enjoy the abuse... and at the end of the day he could have just killed her anyway, so something makes me think he wasn't intending to kill her. But it's a fantastic story of valiance though, and the fact she's anti-death penalty is amazing. Wonderful woman :love:

[Mystic Mock]

They love punishment in America, they sometimes cheer and party if it's a notorious killer. And plus it doesn't work like that, the President couldn't wake up one day and suddenly decide to let all the killers go lol

Things always change, especially a country's laws and systems.

I personally would rather they get the death penalty than the alternative option which is to let them back out on the streets because the prisons are overcrowded.

[Mystic Mock]

[not a woman obviously but still throwing my two cents in]

I'd find it ridiculously difficult to pretend to enjoy the abuse... and at the end of the day he could have just killed her anyway, so something makes me think he wasn't intending to kill her. But it's a fantastic story of valiance though, and the fact she's anti-death penalty is amazing. Wonderful woman :love:

Same here, in fact I would probably get myself killed in those situations as I would fight back.

[InOne]

Things always change, especially a country's laws and systems.

I personally would rather they get the death penalty than the alternative option which is to let them back out on the streets because the prisons are overcrowded.

For people like that of that risk it's either death or prison for the rest of their life. Even if the prisons were overcrowded they wouldn't be the ones getting let out.

[Mystic Mock]

For people like that of that risk it's either death or prison for the rest of their life. Even if the prisons were overcrowded they wouldn't be the ones getting let out.

I would like to think your right but I don't trust these currupt Governments, especially if one day a serial killer turned out to be a rich businessman's child.

[InOne]

Sort of going off-topic a bit there Mock. Did you listen to the woman speaking about it all?

[Mystic Mock]

Sort of going off-topic a bit there Mock. Did you listen to the woman speaking about it all?

Yeah sorry about that, and I read bits of it but I always find stories like this to disturbing to read, I think anyone that likes to do one of those crimes to people are sick bastards, but doing both is just to much for me.

[Kizzy]

She realised what made him angry and stopped doing it, it must be a totally different mindset when you are focused totally on staying alive.
Trying to tune-in to how someones mind is working, attempting to build a rapport with the attacker...
I don't know if I would have the guts to do that.

[InOne]

I wonder why "Think of what it will do to your mother" triggered him, usually when Serial Killers have someone at their mercy they don't even see them as Human. She must've picked up on that and like she said, try bring him back round to seeing her as a Human Being.

[Mystic Mock]

Serial killers are strange, maybe he cared for his Mother and turned all psycho when something happened to her.

[Kizzy]

I remember seeing a prog on missing persons, when relatives do appeals if there is thought to be a good chance they are still alive they repeat their name over and over.
Mentioning loved ones and such in an attempt to stop the captor from dehumanizing them.
I would be very wary of any man who had an unhealthy relationship with their mother.

[Mystic Mock]

I remember seeing a prog on missing persons, when relatives do appeals if there is thought to be a good chance they are still alive they repeat their name over and over.
Mentioning loved ones and such in an attempt to stop the captor from dehumanizing them.
I would be very wary of any man who had an unhealthy relationship with their mother.

Yeah I've heard stuff like that aswell, sadly I think the more emotion you show in those cases the more pleasure the captor has and does away with the victim and pretend that they are still alive and give the family hope when they've not got a cat in hells chance anymore.

[Marsh.]

I remember seeing a prog on missing persons, when relatives do appeals if there is thought to be a good chance they are still alive they repeat their name over and over.
Mentioning loved ones and such in an attempt to stop the captor from dehumanizing them.
I would be very wary of any man who had an unhealthy relationship with their mother.

Yeah, it's kind of a "Norman Bates" complex.

[InOne]

Yeah it almost always leads back to the mother for some reason. They're also usually White Middles Class males that start the killings in their 20's. There's been cases of Serial Killers letting people go before though but don't think the victims quite did what she did.

[the truth]

She was brave, I guess you do what you have to do in the fight for self-preservation. I find it interesting though, that the families of the five women he murdered want him dead. If he'd killed someone close to me, I'd want him off the earth for good.

I agree with this lady who has a healthy outloook, Im very impressed with her intelligence. Purely radical Old testament thinking, an eye for an eye a tooth for a tooth, endless revenge and bitterness in killing those who cross you, is thinking that needs more flexiblity..this black or white outlook hasnt helped Israel V palestine? Maybe they need to look at Christ's example and theyd find more progress , just as they have done in ireland comparatively speaking.

[InOne]

Oh, you edited :suspect:

[Nedusa]

I agree this woman was exceptionally brave and very lucky to be alive.The mental and physical scars may never heal but at least she managed to survive this horrific ordeal. Most people would not be able to think calmly under such extreme circumstances but she managed to calm down this psychopath and ultimately communicate with him through all the hate this man was displaying. perhaps it was a type of "Stockholm syndrome" where the captive feels pity for the captor, although reading her account of her ordeal it probably was not a classic Stockholm syndrome situation.

Either way one very brave lady.....!!!!!