Nurse Found Dead :Australian radio pranksters- Queen dupe nurse at Kate's hospital

[arista]

'Visiting time's at nine, Ma'am': Palace fury as Australian radio pranksters pretending to be the Queen dupe nurse at Kate's hospital into giving out intimate medical details

Extraordinary call by 2Day FM presenters Mel Greig and Michael Christian
The duo phoned King Edward VII Hospital in central London last night
Hospital confirms incident and calls it a 'foolish and deplorable prank call'
Radio station spokesman: 'We apologise for any inconvenience caused'
Australian media regulator: 'Privacy is an issue that we take seriously'
Queen's former press secretary: 'It's shocking - where were the checks?'
Radio duo: 'We thought they'd hang up after hearing our terrible accents'
Prank call pre-recorded and vetted by lawyers before broadcast in Sydney
Same radio station forced girl, 14, into revealing she was raped live on air


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2243315/Kate-Middleton-pregnant-Security-scare-Australian-radio-DJs-dupe-nurse-giving-medical-details.html#ixzz2ECLnA5FV

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[bbfan1991]

Sky News Newsdesk‏@SkyNewsBreak

It is understood hospital receptionist who transferred hoax call to ward of Duchess of Cambridge has committed suicide.

Sad news:(.

[Niamh.]

What? really? not over that call surely?

[AnnieK]

Yeah its just been on the news here too.....how awful...

[bbfan1991]

How awful, thoughts and condolences are with her family:(.

[Saph]

wait what happened?

[Niamh.]

wait what happened?

Some Australian DJs played a prank call to the Hospital where Kate Midleton was, pretending to be the queen and the hospital receptionist thought it was real and gave out information on Kate to them

[Marsh.]

That is absolutely shocking. I can't believe it.

[Omah]

It seems a bit of an over-reaction ..... :conf:

[Niamh.]

It seems a bit of an over-reaction ..... :conf:

Maybe she was going to be fired over it or something? I could imagine the hospital wanting to make an example of her when it involved such a high profile patient

[Me. I Am Salman]

It seems a bit of an over-reaction ..... :conf:

If she committed suicide over the prank, then this.

[arista]

The Nurse that dealt with the Prank Call has been found dead.
she is not english.

ref:BBCNews

[Me. I Am Salman]

People are going to blame the DJs for her death now which is stupid.

[arista]

Can the Mod change that ONG title - Please

[arista]

People are going to blame the DJs for her death now which is stupid.


Yes its like a Murder

[AnnieK]

Could be the straw that broke the camels back.....she will have been in a serious amount of trouble I am sure from her bosses regarding this....she was probably facing losing her job, we don't know her personal circumstances etc....I agree, people will blame the DJs which is unfair - it was a crap prank and didn't even sound like the Queen so it sounds to me like she was pre-occupied....such a shame for her family and friends....heart goes out to them

[Niamh.]

Can the Mod change that ONG title - Please

Sorry, I merged the threads accidentally :laugh:

[Marsh.]

People are going to blame the DJs for her death now which is stupid.

Not really. They'll probably feel incredibly guilty though.

Yes its like a Murder

No it isn't.

[Niamh.]

Not really. They'll probably feel incredibly guilty though.



No it isn't.

They probably never thought they'd actually be put through and given details :/

[Me. I Am Salman]

Not really. They'll probably feel incredibly guilty though.

The guy's twitter account is being bombarded with abuse now

[Marsh.]

They probably never thought they'd actually be put through and given details :/

I know that, but they'll probably feel some guilt over it. I know I would.

The guy's twitter account is being bombarded with abuse now

Yeah but that's losers on twitter who have nothing better to do. They won't actually be blamed.

[arista]

Not really. They'll probably feel incredibly guilty though.



No it isn't.

It will be on the Daily Mail

[Jack_]

:o :o :o :o :o

Awful.

[arista]

Sorry, I merged the threads accidentally :laugh:



Its a shock to see a Dull OMG title
for my hard worked thread.

Anyway its great you were on the case.

[Niamh.]

I know that, but they'll probably feel some guilt over it. I know I would.



Yeah but that's losers on twitter who have nothing better to do. They won't actually be blamed.

They don't have a great track record though apparently, I read this story about them :

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2243857/Kate-Middleton-pregnant-Australia-radio-station-Duchess-prank-forced-girl-confess-raped-12.html

[Niamh.]

Its a shock to see a Dull OMG title
for my hard worked thread.

Anyway its great you were on the case.

haha, no I could never envisage you titling a thread OMG :laugh:

[arista]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2244608/Kate-Middleton-hospital-receptionist-duped-Australian-DJs-prank-dies-suspected-suicide.html

a mother of 2
this is a bad omen on kates child

[Marsh.]

They don't have a great track record though apparently, I read this story about them :

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2243857/Kate-Middleton-pregnant-Australia-radio-station-Duchess-prank-forced-girl-confess-raped-12.html

Oh god that's awful. :shocked:

[Marsh.]

I think the "Stupid Nurse" line is a but insensitive. Maybe it should be edited out.

[Livia]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2244608/Kate-Middleton-hospital-receptionist-duped-Australian-DJs-prank-dies-suspected-suicide.html

a mother of 2
this is a bad omen on kates child

Honestly Arista, that's a ridiculous thing to say.

[Marsh.]

He does come out with some extreme rubbish.

[Livia]

He does come out with some extreme rubbish.

Can't say I've ever noticed........................................... .......................

[arista]

I think the "Stupid Nurse" line is a but insensitive. Maybe it should be edited out.


Yes I will

[arista]

What? really? not over that call surely?


Its So sad she had 2 kids
and it could be due to the fact she is not british (ref BBCNews)
so could not laugh at it etc.

[Niamh.]

Its So sad she had 2 kids
and it could be due to the fact she is not british (ref BBCNews)
so could not laugh at it etc.

Well, I doubt her bosses were laughing at it either, I bet she got in huge trouble over that

[arista]

Honestly Arista, that's a ridiculous thing to say.


Yes but it came to my head.


The Fact that Nurse found dead
has 2 kids is shocking.

Live On News now - she was a first class nurse


The down under 2 are guilty.

[Marsh.]

Her being foreign makes it a bit more understandable that she was duped by the prank though and not really twigged they were taking the mick.

[Marcus.]

poor lady

[arista]

Her being foreign makes it a bit more understandable that she was duped by the prank though and not really twigged they were taking the mick.

Yes
bad a mother with 2 kids
now dead due to joker prank call.

so sad

[Jesus.]

Yes
bad a mother with 2 kids
now dead due to joker prank call.

so sad

This might be slightly controversial here, but I don't think you can really blame the Australian pranksters. I bet she has more than likely been made to feel terrible at work by her bosses, and more than likely her colleagues have been teasing her about it - probably well intentioned to make her feel better about it, but that probably added to her woes.

It wasn't a malicious prank played on this nurse, and people need to remember this. Those pranksters will feel awful about this, too. This will definitely affect their lives.

[MTVN]

Yeah the Radio DJ's could never have expected an innocent prank call to result in this, I bet they never even expected to get through to a nurse at all. Too soon to speculate on all the causes of the suicide though

[InOne]

Where was the Nurse from?

[Kazanne]

They don't have a great track record though apparently, I read this story about them :

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2243857/Kate-Middleton-pregnant-Australia-radio-station-Duchess-prank-forced-girl-confess-raped-12.html

shocking !!! Just WHY?

[arista]

Where was the Nurse from?

Asia or some place near there , I think

[Me. I Am Salman]

PmS8JwyRUdk

Which woman was the one that committed suicide? The first one or the second?

[Niamh.]

The first i think ^

[MTVN]

I think the first is just the receptionist, the second is the Nurse who gives out the private information

[MTVN]

The guys Charles accent is pretty good actually

[Marsh.]

I think the first is just the receptionist, the second is the Nurse who gives out the private information

It is the first nurse on the call who has died. They said she was a staff nurse who was just covering the phones for another colleague.

[Saph]

that prank was actually quite funny (the accents sucked), shame it all backfired :(

[Niamh.]

I thought it was the receptionist that died though?

[MTVN]

It is the first nurse on the call who has died. They said she was a staff nurse who was just covering the phones for another colleague.

Oh right I presumed it was the second because the transcript of the conversation just described the first as a receptionist

[Marsh.]

I thought it was the receptionist that died though?

The reporter on BBC News said the staff nurse was covering the phones for some reason.

[bbfan1991]

It's awful:(. I wonder what will happen to that radio station now?

[arista]

Yes it was the first Lady taking the call,
her voice went worldwide news.


its a Sad Day

[arista]

It's awful:(. I wonder what will happen to that radio station now?


they better stop doing Prank calls
outside of their nation



Or sack the buggers

[arista]

I thought it was the receptionist that died though?



Yes but late night
they may cover calls.
As so many sleeping

[Sticks]

There was no receptionist on duty at the time as it was about 05:30 so this nurse took the call.

I would have thought both this nurse and the nurse who spoke to the radio presenters would have been suspended while they were investigated for violating patient privacy, but the hospital said that there had been no disciplinary action being taken against the nurse..

One wonders the presenters had got through to a receptionist would they have been put through.

[Kizzy]

What a tragic end to a very bizarre situation.

[arista]

The 2 DJ's who did the prank have been taken off air.
For now.

ref:SkyNewsHD and Ch4 news

[King Gizzard]

they probably should have thought about it more but I feel a bit bad for the DJs, they weren't to know it would lead to this

RIP though

[arista]

What a tragic end to a very bizarre situation.


Yes her voice went worldwide
sad as she has 2 kids

[MTVN]

The DJ's have both deleted their Twitter accounts now as well

[AnnieK]

It's a shocking story....am sure there will be more to her situation....just so sad... RIP

[Kizzy]

Thats heartbreaking, kate and wills announced the pregnancy less than 2 weeks ago, already they are being hounded and an innocent nurse is dead.
I hope the idiot presenters are sacked!

[BBfanUSA]

Thats heartbreaking, kate and wills announced the pregnancy less than 2 weeks ago, already they are being hounded and an innocent nurse is dead.
I hope the idiot presenters are sacked!

they never intended for it to escalate like this. it was just a harmless prank

[Sticks]

Not so harmless....

[arista]

'You have her blood on your hands': Australian DJs taken off air amid global revulsion at 'sick prank'
Mel Greig and Christian Michael banned from show until further notice
2DayFM offers 'deepest sympathies' to Jacintha Saldanha's family
Statement follows global revulsion at pair who boasted of prank
They were still pictured on station’s site urging listeners to ‘hear latest’
Later both closed their Twitter accounts following huge backlash
Station's Facebook page has been bombarded with abusive comments


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2244732/Nurse-Jacintha-Saldanha-suicide-Australian-DJs-Mel-Greig-Christian-Michael-taken-air-amid-global-revulsion-sick-prank.html#ixzz2EOexyGaz

[joeysteele]

Really tragic event, really awful for this to happen. What turmoil this Nurse must have been in.
Horrible thing to occur.

[Z]

This is horrible! That poor woman, she must have felt awful! There's nothing worse than realising you've screwed up at work, never mind having it plastered over the media AND it being seen as some sort of national security risk...

[arista]

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http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2012/12/7/208439/default/v1/daily-mirror-1-329x437.jpg

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[Marc]

I can't believe this story.. she didn't get fired did she?

Surely there wasn't THAT much pressure on her? :(

[Marsh.]

I can't believe the papers pages are all about "Kate's sadness".

Have some respect for the lady herself.

[Mrluvaluva]

Some people do not cope with things the same as others do. I should think this had a huge impact on her though. So sad and devastating for her family. I imagine this incident will change the course of similarly intended "comedy sketches" going forward. Very unfortunate, and truly saddening, but a witch hunt should not be the course. Lessons can be learned, but accountability is not the answer in my opinion. May she rest in peace.

[Sticks]

She may have felt that by passing on the call instead of screening it out for what it was, she behaved dishonourably and when you do that you are required to fall on your sword.

For her the only honourable thing would be to kill herself.

We are told she was from overseas and her native culture may have added into this issue of honour

That is the only way I could explain this.

[Cherie]

What a waste, in a few days it would have blown over, I suppose the press being camped on the doorstep of the hosp didnt help; I dont really know why had to broadcast the call on the news either, as if her humilation wasn't bad enough. RIP

[Nedusa]

What a waste, in a few days it would have blown over, I suppose the press being camped on the doorstep of the hosp didnt help; I dont really know why had to broadcast the call on the news either, as if her humilation wasn't bad enough. RIP

I agree this would have blown over so I cannot understand how this woman thought this was a life ending situation. She probably already had numerous issues and was probably already in a fragile state of mind and this latest incident just pushed her over the edge. Really unlucky to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, my sympathies for her family. A desparately sad situation for all concerned.

[Sticks]

Maybe she thought she had brought great dishonour and in some cultures if you do that you must pay with your life.

Don't forget the various honour killings we have in certain communities.

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/12/08/article-2244608-16690FEE000005DC-467_306x423.jpg



"Nurse Jacintha Saldanha, 46, died yesterday
in an apparent suicide after she transferred
a hoax call from Australian DJs
who retrieved sensitive information about Kate Middleton
while in hospital"

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2244608/Jacintha-Saldanha-Familys-grief-suicide-nurse-transferred-DJs-hoax-Kate-Middleton-hospital-call.html#ixzz2ETdPrwEM
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[King Gizzard]

Shock horror the Mail took this comment down, sums it up perfectly I think

http://i.imgur.com/HI5E9.gif

[arista]

Shock horror the Mail took this comment down, sums it up perfectly I think

http://i.imgur.com/HI5E9.gif



Yes, although this Prank was
YouTube, TV and World radio.

Newspapers are not at fault
they are just reporting news

[Z]

Except that the newspapers are at fault - this didn't need to be a news story, it could have easily just been kept to the listeners of that Australian radio station, but instead they made it a huge scandal.

[arista]

Except that the newspapers are at fault - this didn't need to be a news story, it could have easily just been kept to the listeners of that Australian radio station, but instead they made it a huge scandal.


It Went Viral on Youtube
then World TV news and Radio

So the papers - all of them had to report it.



The DJ's are at fault

[Sticks]

The fault was with the hospital

The had no trained receptionist on to screen the initial call.

[Shaun]

Shock horror the Mail took this comment down, sums it up perfectly I think

http://i.imgur.com/HI5E9.gif

this is perfect

why are we discussing this? why is this news? no one is privy to the motives of the woman's suicide, and aside from some royal~element~ i fail to see how it's an important story

people suck.

[Ammi]

She may have felt that by passing on the call instead of screening it out for what it was, she behaved dishonourably and when you do that you are required to fall on your sword.

For her the only honourable thing would be to kill herself.

We are told she was from overseas and her native culture may have added into this issue of honour

That is the only way I could explain this.

..yeah, that's a possibility Sticks..to some cultures, honour is everything...I wonder if that would be how her family would feel as well though...

[arista]

this is perfect

why are we discussing this? why is this news? no one is privy to the motives of the woman's suicide, and aside from some royal~element~ i fail to see how it's an important story

people suck.


Because at first the prank was funny,
and her death has changed it all
those DJ's are not well know down under
so sack the feckers



Also it was pre-recorded
so sack the CEO of the sation as well

[lily.]

Anyone who works in the medical profession knows that you NEVER give out information on a patient over the phone.

So for that reason, the blame lies with the person who did just that. That person should have been dealt with in the same fashion as if it were a regular Joe Bloggs patient.. possibly a warning, and a suspension. The hospital staff are to blame for breaching basic confidentiality rules.

I don't think the DJs have anything to answer for here to be honest. They played a prank. They didn't do it maliciously. They weren't trying to elicit information from the hospital, and they said beforehand that they didn't expect to get away with much more than a few sentences because of their dreadful accents.

I'm no buying that this woman has taken her own life as a result of making a mistake at work. That would be a gross over-reaction. She has a husband and two children. There must have been more going on in her own life for her to reach this point.

Unless of course, she was receiving abuse and/or threats from the public as a result of her error. In which case, that should be investigated.

It's all quite tragic. A woman is dead, and her family deserve to know the reason why.

[Mrluvaluva]

Are the press now going to hound the DJ's until we have another tragedy on our hands? We don't need the irony.

[arista]

Are the press now going to hound the DJ's until we have another tragedy on our hands? We don't need the irony.



No as they are in a Secret house
and can Fade Away.

[Mrluvaluva]

No as they are in a Secret house
and can Fade Away.

Oh of course. That will quell their psychological nightmare obviously.

[Mrluvaluva]

The DJ's have given TV interviews which are due to be broadcast within the next half an hour.

[arista]

The DJ's have given TV interviews which are due to be broadcast within the next half an hour.

Yes On SkyNewsHD

[arista]

The DJ's have given TV interviews which are due to be broadcast within the next half an hour.



Yes but they are not going to
topp themselves

[AnnieK]

I don't think the DJs have anything to answer for here to be honest. They played a prank. They didn't do it maliciously. They weren't trying to elicit information from the hospital, and they said beforehand that they didn't expect to get away with much more than a few sentences because of their dreadful accents.



Agree with this. It was also pre-recorded and vetted by the station lawyers so they are even less culpable IMO. Hindsight is a wonderful thing but we are not blessed with it unfortunately.

As lily has said a woman is dead, a husband without a wife and 2 children are without a mother now, my thoughts and concerns are with them.

[Mrluvaluva]

Yes but they are not going to
topp themselves

You cannot make a call on that. We all know what hounding by the media can cause. Imagine the weight of something like this on your shoulders? Continued pressure could send either of them to breaking point.

[Ammi]

The radio DJs behind a prank call to the hospital treating the pregnant Duchess of Cambridge have apologised after the nurse they duped apparently took her own life.

2Day FM presenters Mel Greig and Michael Christian were posing as the Queen and Prince Charles when they got Jacintha Saldanha to put them through to another nurse, who divulged details of Kate's treatment for severe morning sickness.

In their first interview since the tragedy, Ms Greig said she wanted to say sorry to Ms Saldanha's husband and two children.

"I've just thought about this a million times in my head that I've wanted to just reach out to them and just give them a big hug and say sorry," she said, wiping away tears.

"I hope they're OK, I really do. I hope they get through this."

Mr Christian said: "We just hope that they get all the love and support and care that they need."

When asked how he felt he simply said: "Gutted, shattered, heartbroken."

Ms Greig told of the moment she was told of Ms Saldanha's death, describing it as "the worst phone call I've ever had in my life".

"I haven't stopped thinking about it since it happened. I remember my first question was 'was she a mother?'"

The pair said the prank call idea came up in a team meeting, and that it was "collaborative" rather than a single individual's idea.

The DJs are on indefinite leave and have been getting "intensive" counselling to deal with the death of Ms Saldanha


..my heart goes out to these djs...it all went so horribly wrong, but they couldn't have known that...I hope this puts an end to any negative media or public attention..and lets them start to heal themselves...a lot of people have suffered through this...and yes..they were part of it..but imo not a part which was intentionally malicious in anyway....

[Jords]

I feel really bad for the DJs, they wont be able to not think they are (partly) responsible for this :/

[Kizzy]

that's because they are, in life you have to take responsibility fir your own actions to grow as a person.
To hound a pregnant woman in hospital, that should never have even been suggested imo.

[InOne]

I don't get why they keep using the "We tried 5 times to get through to the Hospital to get consent" argument to defend themselves. It's hard to believe they tried it 5 times yet still broadcast it anyway... And if they did it was pretty silly, for something like that they should've waited until they got consent.

[the truth]

tens of thousands of patients die every year from nursing negligence and abuse and barely a word is said....yet this one tragic story of 1 nurse gets thousandsof pages written about it. the whole disaster wasn just due to a tacky nasty prank but to the insatiable tacky greedy 24 hour news and tabloid trash that magnified the pressure and embarassment on this one pressurised person. very sad story, but blame should be shared beteen the pranksters and the media.

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/12/10/article-2245727-1670648B000005DC-466_634x399.jpg

Yes Cry you bitch


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2245727/Australias-2Day-FM-DJ-Mel-Greigs-tears-interview-Michael-Christian-suicide-nurse-Kate-hospital.html

[arista]

I feel really bad for the DJs, they wont be able to not think they are (partly) responsible for this :/



You Would

[Jesus.]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/12/10/article-2245727-1670648B000005DC-466_634x399.jpg

Yes Cry you bitch


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2245727/Australias-2Day-FM-DJ-Mel-Greigs-tears-interview-Michael-Christian-suicide-nurse-Kate-hospital.html

It's a bit harsh, Arista.

She played a joke. That's it.

[Kizzy]

Read the interview in the Guardian this morning, quite ironic that she called for the family to be given some privacy don't you think?

[arista]

It's a bit harsh, Arista.

She played a joke. That's it.


Yes a illegal prank
No Permission given.


The first day they loved it
Promo for their little station.
Getting New Ratings etc


Life is Tough

[Jesus.]

Yes a illegal prank
No Permission given.


The first day they loved it
Promo for their little station.
Getting New Ratings etc


Life is Tough

People have been doing these as long as telephones have existed. It's a tragedy that she committed suicide, but over the last few years I can remember people getting through to Sarkosy, Sarah Palin, an American governor called Scott Walker, and those are recent ones. No deaths resulted from them.

These people will have to live with this, and that is punishment enough. I don't want to live in a society where people aren't allowed to be stupid from time to time.

[arista]

Yes but thats a Prank with Stars or MP's

This was a Nurse who is living alone in her special work flat


You can not compare the others to this Lady from India

[Jesus.]

Yes but thats a Prank with Stars or MP's

This was a Nurse who is living alone in her special work flat


You can not compare the others to this Lady from India

Wasn't the prank to see if they could get through? They didn't set out to target this nurse.

[Kazanne]

I think these two were idiots,just what did they expect to gain?and,to target Kate and William at such a intimate time was just insensitive and all in pursuit of a 'prank' They now have the gall to sob and weep on tele,how terrible life is for them.

[Vicky.]

Shock horror the Mail took this comment down, sums it up perfectly I think

http://i.imgur.com/HI5E9.gif

I agree.

Not surprising it was taken down. The mail dont like people who talk sense commenting on their articles.

[arista]

Wasn't the prank to see if they could get through? They didn't set out to target this nurse.

Yes but it was That nurse
thet let them in the building.

It was her on that late night Switchboard.

They the 2 DJ's have Blood On Their Hands

[Jesus.]

Yes but it was That nurse
thet let them in the building.

It was her on that late night Switchboard.

They the 2 DJ's have Blood On Their Hands

No they don't, and using the "bold" function doesn't add gravitas to your point.

[Niamh.]

I agree that if blame needs to be put anywhere that the Press should bear the brunt of it.

[AnnieK]

To be honest I feel the attitude to these djs is very sad, there is culpability on so many levels:

1 - the hospital should have had trained staff manning the telephone, especially at the time they have the wife of the future heir to the throne as a patient
2 - as lily said earlier as sad as it is the nurse should not have given out confidential information, she should not have been allowed to cover the phones if she was unaware of the fundamental rules governing patient confidentiality
3 - the Australian radio station and it's legal team. In my mind the djs were pawns in this more than anything, thy will have been told to try the prank etc. the legal team then sanctioned the broadcast.
4 - the press who have since played and replayed and written about it.

I could go on but to then persecute these two people only is ridiculous and smells of scapegoating as far as I am concerned. It's a terrible tragedy but as I said before hindsight is a wonderful thing, this cannot have be foreseen ending this badly.

[arista]

No they don't, and using the "bold" function doesn't add gravitas to your point.


I never Claimed it Did

[arista]

I agree that if blame needs to be put anywhere that the Press should bear the brunt of it.


No the Press
are a Function - They did not do the Fecking prank


The 2 DJ's Tipped that nurses world so bad
she wanted death

[Jesus.]

I never Claimed it Did

But you used it.

Arista, you make me laugh and frustrated in equal measure at different times.

Let's just play out your scenario.

Let's say we arrest them, fly them over here to face trial, and then lock them away for 10 years.

Then what? What has that done, really? It doesn't achieve anything.

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/12/10/article-2245727-16707A57000005DC-973_634x372.jpg


Guilty of Illegal Prank.


Hackers are going to close the station down
if they return


Sign Of The Times

[arista]

But you used it.

Arista, you make me laugh and frustrated in equal measure at different times.

Let's just play out your scenario.

Let's say we arrest them, fly them over here to face trial, and then lock them away for 10 years.

Then what? What has that done, really? It doesn't achieve anything.


No sack them.

Then they can Fly top another nation like America

[Jesus.]

No sack them.

Then they can Fly top another nation like America

By sacking them, you will create more opportunities for them. All the shows in the US will get them on as guests, and some will probably offer them a higher paid job doing the same thing.

They'll become multi-millionaires over night.

[arista]

By sacking them, you will create more opportunities for them. All the shows in the US will get them on as guests, and some will probably offer them a higher paid job doing the same thing.

They'll become multi-millionaires over night.


Yes USA is there only Hope

[Sticks]

Why not go the whole hog arista and demand a life for a life!

The hospital messed up but not having a properly trained gatekeeper in situ. Had they done so the DJ's would not have got through as they expected they would not. With a high profile VIP patient they should have had someone to make sure the yapping dogs of the media were held at bay.

Now when it hits the fan, they pass the blame.

[arista]

Why not go the whole hog arista and demand a life for a life!The hospital messed up but not having a properly trained gatekeeper in situ. Had they done so the DJ's would not have got through as they expected they would not. With a high profile VIP patient they should have had someone to make sure the yapping dogs of the media were held at bay.

Now when it hits the fan, they pass the blame.


No We Ain't Strict Muslims here in England

[Sticks]

I never mentioned Islam. In fact the expression, "A life for a life" is actually found in the Old Testament.

[Nedusa]

I actually feel sorry for these two radio presenters, made now to cry on cue to save their jobs and probably their careers. The shows producers and the station manager must take the responsibility for this as they would have had final sanctioning on this prank.

To parade these two presenters like this is a bit cheap and insincere, also how could they have possibly known anything like this was going to happen.

Also why is this story dominating the news wires as there are far more pressing serious stories that should be currently in the news not this non story.

[arista]

I never mentioned Islam. In fact the expression, "A life for a life" is actually found in the Old Testament.



But its only Strict Muslims that Demand Life for Life

So thats why I use it.

[arista]

I actually feel sorry for these two radio presenters, made now to cry on cue to save their jobs and probably their careers. The shows producers and the station manager must take the responsibility for this as they would have had final sanctioning on this prank.

To parade these two presenters like this is a bit cheap and insincere, also how could they have possibly known anything like this was going to happen.

Also why is this story dominating the news wires as there are far more pressing serious stories that should be currently in the news not this non story.

Maybe he will but those DJ's are guilty of doing the prank

[arista]

['Jacintha's family receiving less support than DJs who tricked her' ... MP Keith Vaz meets family after extraordinary attack on hospitalBenedict Barboza, 49, meets Labour MP Keith Vaz at House of Commons
Vaz: 'More support from King Edward VII Hospital must be given to family'
He adds: 'This is a close family; they're devastated by what has happened'But hospital says it spoke to Barboza last Friday and has offered him help

Husband pictured near Bristol home following Jacintha Saldanha's death
PM: 'It's an absolute tragedy and I just feel incredibly sorry for her family]


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2245881/Jacintha-Saldanhas-family-receiving-support-DJs-tricked-MP-Keith-Vaz.html#ixzz2Eg9uL7mO




Its true loads on here feel sorry more for the DJ's.



I Do Not

[AnnieK]

'Jacintha's family receiving less support than DJs who tricked her' ... MP Keith Vaz meets family after extraordinary attack on hospitalBenedict Barboza, 49, meets Labour MP Keith Vaz at House of Commons
Vaz: 'More support from King Edward VII Hospital must be given to family'
He adds: 'This is a close family; they're devastated by what has happened'But hospital says it spoke to Barboza last Friday and has offered him help

Husband pictured near Bristol home following Jacintha Saldanha's death
PM: 'It's an absolute tragedy and I just feel incredibly sorry for her fami


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2245881/Jacintha-Saldanhas-family-receiving-support-DJs-tricked-MP-Keith-Vaz.html#ixzz2Eg9uL7mO




Its true loads on here feel sorry more for the DJ's.



I Do Not

BIB - I hardly think that's the case. Obviously, everyone feels for the family most at this time as I have said in previous posts, I personally just feel there is too much persecution going on when there has been failings all way around.

The family must be going through absolute hell...they need the support and thoughts of everyone so this needs to be dealt with privately now so the family can grieve without hearing about it every time they turn on the tv /radio.

[Mrluvaluva]

Its true loads on here feel sorry more for the DJ's.

I Do Not

I feel nothing but sympathy for the family, and I was quite shocked at the news of the nurses death, but nothing was intended maliciously as far as I am concerned, so why put the DJ's through so much more than they are going through already? They will live with this for the rest of their lives. I would not wish that on anyone. I am sure most of us have laughed at prank calls before, but now, because of a terrible and unfortunate sequence of events, some want to lay the blame at their door. That's a matter of opinion, but I do not think they should be punished. The guilt and regret that they will have to live with is punishment enough.

I doubt the media frenzy around this story is helping the family in their grieving process.

[arista]

I feel nothing but sympathy for the family, and I was quite shocked at the news of the nurses death, but nothing was intended maliciously as far as I am concerned, so why put the DJ's through so much more than they are going through already? They will live with this for the rest of their lives. I would not wish that on anyone. I am sure most of us have laughed at prank calls before, but now, because of a terrible and unfortunate sequence of events, some want to lay the blame at their door. That's a matter of opinion, but I do not think they should be punished. The guilt and regret that they will have to live with is punishment enough.

I doubt the media frenzy around this story is helping the family in their grieving process.


Yes its a stuck forever
but those DJ's could become Preachers or something
in America.

Life is a Never Ending Story
for the early years

[waterhog]

Radio Na Na 10.12.12

this is not about the music,
Queen i will never tarnish,
and what has happened,
2dayFM will never get varnish.
this was no "Bohemian",
it was a "Death on 2 legs" prize,
because it was all about humiliation,
not any "Free love exercise".
it was not "A kind of magic",
we have no "Champion" to parade,
i feel so much for Jacina family,
the only comfort is in "heaven she will have made".
how is Mel and Micheal feeling,
can there pain we measure,
it really was a cheap stunt,
as we can see "Pain is so close to pleasure".
today i have seen a "sorry",
on tv they said it was "Foolin around",
but this can be no "Breakthru",
Australia and the UK will never have the Spanish "Barcelona" bound.
i don't think both will ever work,
because to "Fall was a hammer",
both are "Under so much pressure",
the Queen will not be feeling the glamour.
i am sorry Brian, John and Roger,
Freddie can see how i stole "radio Ga Ga",
but unlike your music,
this poem like the prank will be remembered as a "Radio Na Na".

[iRyan]

IMO, it's not the radio presenters fault - it's the media. It was probably all the media backlash about her being an idiot that led her to kill herself. Once again the media is the cause yet they put the blame on someone else.

[Marsh.]

I don't get why they keep using the "We tried 5 times to get through to the Hospital to get consent" argument to defend themselves. It's hard to believe they tried it 5 times yet still broadcast it anyway... And if they did it was pretty silly, for something like that they should've waited until they got consent.

True. But that's the fault of the producers of the show. They call the shots.


Yes Cry you bitch


You're pathetic. Anyone would think they went out and deliberately murdered this woman.

You are just like the press, whipping up a huge frenzy over it which would have been the bigger contributing factor to what that nurse eventually did.

Yes a illegal prank
No Permission given.


The first day they loved it
Promo for their little station.
Getting New Ratings etc


Life is Tough

:rolleyes: That's out of the two radio presenter's hands. The fault for that goes to the show's producers and lawyers who gave the go ahead for it to be broadcast before getting permission.

[arista]

"You are just like the press, whipping up a huge frenzy over it which would have been the bigger "



Spiffing Marsh

[Marsh.]

Life with Common Sense. :pipe:

[arista]

The Family of the Nurse

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2012/12/10/208839/default/v2/mail-1-329x437.jpg

[Livia]

I thought the interview with the two radio presenters was very cynical. Allowing them to express their "grief", the male describing his feelings as "gutted", the woman with her tear-streaked face, pleading their innocence, and arguing that the responsibility for what they did lay with someone else. They were happy enough to play this prank, now they have to face the consequences. I remember Russell Brand and Jonathan Ross playing a radio prank. I don't recall them ever refusing to accept liability for what they did.

[Kazanne]

I thought the interview with the two radio presenters was very cynical. Allowing them to express their "grief", the male describing his feelings as "gutted", the woman with her tear-streaked face, pleading their innocence, and arguing that the responsibility for what they did lay with someone else. They were happy enough to play this prank, now they have to face the consequences. I remember Russell Brand and Jonathan Ross playing a radio prank. I don't recall them ever refusing to accept liability for what they did.

100% agree Livia,they put on a good show ,my sympathy lies with the dead womans family.

[MTVN]

They were right in what they said though; nobody could ever have predicted such a consequence from this, and that prank phone calls have been around on radio for years, there wasn't anything malicious in what the DJs were doing. The prank call should have been obvious to anyone really it was so ridiculous; pretending to ask Charles to give the Queen a lift, going on about her corgis etc. they couldn't have expected to even get through never mind for someone to possibly take their own life as a result

What is the right way for them to react to this happening exactly?

[BBfanUSA]

So wait they could go to jail because they didn't get permission from all parties? Isn't the station manager responsible for that? Shouldn't the manager be the one charged?

[Livia]

These are two broadcasting professionals we're talking about. Although the company that broadcast the piece will also be liable, the DJs themselves came up with it, they carried it out and now they must be responsible (even though it will be jointly with producers) for what they did.

[Vicky.]

No way was this all just over the prank. She clearly had mental issues beforehand and this was kinda..the straw that broke the camels back so to speak.

I dont think the DJS should have to answer to anyone. It was just a prank, I doubt they thought it would work. The media for making it into a massive thing, and sorry to say it but the nurse herself for not knowing her job (patient confidentiality and such) are to blame for what happened.

[Niamh.]

No way was this all just over the prank. She clearly had mental issues beforehand and this was kinda..the straw that broke the camels back so to speak.

I dont think the DJS should have to answer to anyone. It was just a prank, I doubt they thought it would work. The media for making it into a massive thing, and sorry to say it but the nurse herself for not knowing her job (patient confidentiality and such) are to blame for what happened.

I have to agree with this, that woman had 2 children, there must have been something else going on to make her take her life. I don't mean to be insensitive but killing yourself and leaving your children motherless over this is just unfathomable tbqh

[BBfanUSA]

These are two broadcasting professionals we're talking about. Although the company that broadcast the piece will also be liable, the DJs themselves came up with it, they carried it out and now they must be responsible (even though it will be jointly with producers) for what they did.

Eh,Good Point.

I completely agree that someone should be charged because they never got permission from all parties.

(There's a radio show in the US where they do prank calls all the time. They make sure before they air the calls they get permission form all parties and they air the disclaimer after the prank is over, It shouldn't be that hard to get permission from all parties. )

[Nedusa]

These are two broadcasting professionals we're talking about. Although the company that broadcast the piece will also be liable, the DJs themselves came up with it, they carried it out and now they must be responsible (even though it will be jointly with producers) for what they did.

Responsible for what exactly...playing a prank making a prank telephone call to a Hospital (which backfired tragically ) or are they in some way responsible for this woman's suicide.

I think not, the prank was not aimed at the woman, in fact it had nothing to do with the woman, she merely answered the phone and then afterwards for other more serious reasons decided to end her life.

Whilst I commiserate with her family I do not think the two radio presenters in question should be put into this current media circus with tearful interviews etc... The should have put out statement expressing regret for the unforseen actions of this lady and left it at that and moved on with their lives. They were not responsible directly or indirectly for this womans death. Sound minded people do not kill themselves after receiving a prank telephone call meant for someone else...its utterly absurd to pin any blame on these two presenters.

Seeing them on the news in the last few days in tears, crying, grief stricken is a ridiculous over reaction.....!!!

[Kizzy]

The husband seems to be very angry with he hospital, it would be interesting to know how much pressure they placed on her following the incident.
Ultimately though the blame rests on a catalogue of errors. The decision to telephone the hospital, the act itself and the failure to secure permission to broadcast.

[InOne]

No way was this all just over the prank. She clearly had mental issues beforehand and this was kinda..the straw that broke the camels back so to speak.
I dont think the DJS should have to answer to anyone. It was just a prank, I doubt they thought it would work. The media for making it into a massive thing, and sorry to say it but the nurse herself for not knowing her job (patient confidentiality and such) are to blame for what happened.

It's all very easy to say stuff like this but how do you actually know? It seems to always be the excuse when stuff like that happens.

[Niamh.]

It's all very easy to say stuff like this but how do you actually know? It seems to always be the excuse when stuff like that happens.

If it is just over this though, it seems like a very drastic thing to do, as the mother of two children.

[InOne]

If it is just over this though, it seems like a very drastic thing to do, as the mother of two children.

Well we can't really say the pressure she was under, and Hospitals are always getting a bashing here anyway. Plus the fact it was to do with the Royals made it 10x worse. She was a Catholic apparently, so she must've been extreme pressure she was under to take her own life. What is annoying is that the DJ's seem to be getting more support and sympathy than the family of the Woman who killed herself.

[InOne]

I know this is a Daily Mail link but it tells you a bit more about the Woman herself: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2245604/Jacintha-Saldanha-Hoaxed-nurse-died-shame-As-backlash-phone-prank-DJs-grows-brother-victim-says-sister-devastated.html

[Mrluvaluva]

The Australian radio station has announced it is to donate £320,000 to the family of Jacintha Saldanha. I don't know what to think about that. Money to help her family, or ease the station's conscience?

[InOne]

The Australian radio station has announced it is to donate £320,000 to the family of Jacintha Saldanha. I don't know what to think about that. Money to help her family, or ease the station's conscience?

Hmmm dunno, can't say I saw anything genuine from the interviews they gave. It does seem to have become all about making them feel better.

[Niamh.]

Well we can't really say the pressure she was under, and Hospitals are always getting a bashing here anyway. Plus the fact it was to do with the Royals made it 10x worse. She was a Catholic apparently, so she must've been extreme pressure she was under to take her own life. What is annoying is that the DJ's seem to be getting more support and sympathy than the family of the Woman who killed herself.

I understand that and of course I have sympathy for her family. The reason it seems like the DJ's are getting more sympathy is because they're also the ones who are being blamed for her killing herself. Can you really blame them for something she chose to do herself though?

[InOne]

I understand that and of course I have sympathy for her family. The reason it seems like the DJ's are getting more sympathy is because they're also the ones who are being blamed for her killing herself. Can you really blame them for something she chose to do herself though?

They obviously can't be entirely blamed. But we also can't just dismiss the fact they played a part either...

[Niamh.]

They obviously can't be entirely blamed. But we also can't just dismiss the fact they played a part either...

If anything (imo) and it was the same with the Russell Brand/Jonathon Ross thing, it should be the radio stations producers who should be taking the radio stations portion of the blame, the calls weren't played live, they had to be approved by producers who's job it should be to think about possible consequences of these type of things. No one realistically could have predicted this outcome but at the very least they should have thought about the nurses getting in huge trouble and possibly losing their jobs.

[InOne]

If anything (imo) and it was the same with the Russell Brand/Jonathon Ross thing, it should be the radio stations producers who should be taking the radio stations portion of the blame, the calls weren't played live, they had to be approved by producers who's job it should be to think about possible consequences of these type of things. No one realistically could have predicted this outcome but at the very least they should have thought about the nurses getting in huge trouble and possibly losing their jobs.

Why have the DJ's not blamed the producers then? Why are they making teary interviews on TV if it's all the producers faults?

[Niamh.]

Why have the DJ's not blamed the producers then? Why are they making teary interviews on TV if it's all the producers faults?

Probably cos they're hoping not to lose their jobs?

[InOne]

Probably cos they're hoping not to lose their jobs?

But they'd have a better chance if they told the truth... (If that is the truth)

[Niamh.]

But they'd have a better chance if they told the truth... (If that is the truth)

hasn't it already been stated somewhere that it was not a live call and had been approved by producers? I could swear I read that somewhere but maybe I'm wrong

[InOne]

hasn't it already been stated somewhere that it was not a live call and had been approved by producers? I could swear I read that somewhere but maybe I'm wrong

I dunno, try look for a source LOL But I'm sure if that was the case the DJ's wouldn't in the spotlight

[Livia]

In Australia I understand you need permission from the person who's voice you're broadcasting, in order to broadcast it, and they did not have that permission. And while I don't believe the DJs should be wholly blamed, they must take a part of the blame because they're the one who carried out the "joke".

[Niamh.]

Here look :

“I don’t know the process,” Greig said when asked to expand on the procedure behind a prank call. She said there is a “whole team” of people working on the show, but remained vague on if the team consisted of producers and lawyers employed by the station.

Christian described the vague team as “people far above us”.

“We are not privy to what happens to this call,” he said and added that the call, like all others, went through the same process and they simply waited for final approval, which they got.


http://www.pilotafrica.com/2012/12/10/royalprank-call-emotional-australian-djs-say-they-are-shattered-careful-not-to-place-blame-video/comment-page-1/

[Kizzy]

Because they actually made the call...
However the decision to transmit was not ultimately theirs.
If they themselves did not see the ramifications of this those whose job it is to failed also.

[Kizzy]

Because they actually made the call...
However the decision to transmit was not ultimately theirs.
If they themselves did not see the ramifications of this those whose job it is to failed also.

[InOne]

Here look :

“I don’t know the process,” Greig said when asked to expand on the procedure behind a prank call. She said there is a “whole team” of people working on the show, but remained vague on if the team consisted of producers and lawyers employed by the station.

Christian described the vague team as “people far above us”.

“We are not privy to what happens to this call,” he said and added that the call, like all others, went through the same process and they simply waited for final approval, which they got.


http://www.pilotafrica.com/2012/12/10/royalprank-call-emotional-australian-djs-say-they-are-shattered-careful-not-to-place-blame-video/comment-page-1/

Hmmm, I think Vague is definitely the right word for it.

[Niamh.]

I would assume stuff like that would have to be approved though.

[Nedusa]

Look it doesn't matter who said who had permission or who sanctioned it or who allowed it ...it's not the point, the point is it was a prank telephone call aimed at generating a bit of laughter and amusement it was well intentioned NOT malicious. Had it gone well i'm sure the Radio Station would be promoting the two presenters.

The woman's suicide is co-incidental in the extreme and could never be as a consequence of a phone call to someone else which she picked up. This is all madness, why is this story still a story, it is a sad situation for the family, the woman clearly had issues and was probably going to end her life sooner rather than later.

The fact she answered the phone at work wouldn't have changed that, the prank call was an unfortunate untimely coincidence and should not be dressed up into the major news story that it has become.........!!!

[InOne]

Look it doesn't matter who said who had permission or who sanctioned it or who allowed it ...it's not the point, the point is it was a prank telephone call aimed at generating a bit of laughter and amusement it was well intentioned NOT malicious. Had it gone well i'm sure the Radio Station would be promoting the two presenters.

The woman's suicide is co-incidental in the extreme and could never be as a consequence of a phone call to someone else which she picked up. This is all madness, why is this story still a story, it is a sad situation for the family, the woman clearly had issues and was probably going to end her life sooner rather than later.
The fact she answered the phone at work wouldn't have changed that, the prank call was an unfortunate untimely coincidence and should not be dressed up into the major news story that it has become.........!!!

And here we go again... How did she 'clearly have issues'? Bit of a ridiculous thing to say

[Nedusa]

And here we go again... How did she 'clearly have issues'? Bit of a ridiculous thing to say


Yes your quite correct , literally millions of normal people without issues answer the phone every day and then go and jump in front of a train...!!!

[InOne]

Yes your quite correct , literally millions of normal people without issues answer the phone every day and then go and jump in front of a train...!!!

Come on, you're being silly now. You know the circumstances. Stop trying to deflect.

[Livia]

Look it doesn't matter who said who had permission or who sanctioned it or who allowed it ...it's not the point, the point is it was a prank telephone call aimed at generating a bit of laughter and amusement it was well intentioned NOT malicious. Had it gone well i'm sure the Radio Station would be promoting the two presenters.

The woman's suicide is co-incidental in the extreme and could never be as a consequence of a phone call to someone else which she picked up. This is all madness, why is this story still a story, it is a sad situation for the family, the woman clearly had issues and was probably going to end her life sooner rather than later.

The fact she answered the phone at work wouldn't have changed that, the prank call was an unfortunate untimely coincidence and should not be dressed up into the major news story that it has become.........!!!

Well, as with all pranks and practical jokes, it depends on how it is received by the person having the prank played on them, surely. And saying the woman probably would have ended her life sooner or later is pure conjecture on your part. Perhaps she had other stuff going on, or perhaps not. You don't know any more about her state of mind than I do. Fact is this prank pushed her over the edge.

This story is still a story because a woman is dead for some cheap laughs. I think that is reason enough why it is a major news story. Of course, if you don't think it's worth discussing because it's a non-event, don't discuss it.

[Vicky.]

It's all very easy to say stuff like this but how do you actually know? It seems to always be the excuse when stuff like that happens.Just seems a massive overreaction for the situation, thats all. Made worse because she was a mother, surely she wouldnt (in the 'right' frame of mind) kill herself over something as trivial as this. Yes, she may have been sacked/disciplined..surely her kids having a mother is more important though?

And if she thought this was something to commit suicide over and it WAS all down to this prank and nothing else, that says (to me anyway) that she wasnt mentally stable to begin with.

[InOne]

Just seems a massive overreaction for the situation, thats all. Made worse because she was a mother, surely she wouldnt (in the 'right' frame of mind) kill herself over something as trivial as this. Yes, she may have been sacked/disciplined..surely her kids having a mother is more important though?

And if she thought this was something to commit suicide over and it WAS all down to this prank and nothing else, that says (to me anyway) that she wasnt mentally stable to begin with.

All the aspects didn't help probably. The prank, the fact it was to do with the Royals, she got into serious trouble with work and then it became global news. As it said, she would've felt such shame. Also in the article there is no mentions of any previous mental illness or home troubles. She was a popular well liked person. It doesn't always take mentally unstable people to commit suicide like that if a situation arises.

[Nedusa]

Well, as with all pranks and practical jokes, it depends on how it is received by the person having the prank played on them, surely. And saying the woman probably would have ended her life sooner or later is pure conjecture on your part. Perhaps she had other stuff going on, or perhaps not. You don't know any more about her state of mind than I do. Fact is this prank pushed her over the edge.

This story is still a story because a woman is dead for some cheap laughs. I think that is reason enough why it is a major news story. Of course, if you don't think it's worth discussing because it's a non-event, don't discuss it.

No I still want to discuss it, its just that in my view it is pretty much two separate stories both not particularly newsworthy, connecting to produce this worldwide front page story.

Prank calls are not new and neither are people committing suicide, however the unfortunate timing makes this an unusual story, one in which I cannot believe these radio presenters could possibly have thought this type of tragedy would result from a phone call and as such there must be a limit to the amount of public remorse they are expected to show.

Prank calls do not usually result in someones death , this could never have been anticipated and as such I think the two presenters who will have to live with this for the rest of their lives should exit stage left and the family of the woman should be left to grieve in peace.

[Tom4784]

It's a terrible tragedy but it's senseless to lay the blame at the DJ's feet. They are obviously being made scapegoats by the higher ups that authorised the prank's broadcast without permission. Why blame the monkey when it's mainly the Organ Grinder's fault?

It's cold I know but I struggle to feel sorry for this woman, I remember hearing a good quote from a film or a TV show once when one character wanted to sacrifice themselves and another character said something like 'Death doesn't happen to you, it happens to everyone around you.' It's her family that will have to live with the loss, two children will have to grow up without a mother. It's her family that I feel sorry for, They're the ones who are suffering now.

[Sticks]

Lets forget the fact this was a prank call and look at the wider issue

This private hospital, (Not NHS but Private) had a high profile patient, it may have been a royal, but it could easily have been a pop star, film star, footballer etc.

The hospital had a duty of care to protect their patient.

Now I have worked in one place where they had posters warning to be wary of calls from the public, on the grounds they might be journalists. Later on if we were ever called by them we were all instructed to pass them on to our equivalent of a press office.

Getting back to this hospital, they should have realised that with a high profile VIP then aspects of the media would have tried it on to get a scoop on the others. (This call could very well have been a journalist lying their way to get a Pulitzer prize or spoil any exclusive that could have been signed up to.) This private hospital should have had adequate gate keepers to keep out these media hounds. A nurse "covering" the phones does not cut it. They are not trained to smell a rat or a journalist trying it on.

The hospital failed in their duty of care to the Duchess of Cambridge and their staff.

Journalists and DJ's will do what they do, so why blame them for doing their job. If part of their function was to "entertain" with these sort of calls, (Not my cup of tea), then they were doing their job. If the station has any culpability it lies further up the chain, since the procedure to obtain permissions may not have been followed.

The majority of the blame lies with the hospital, and they are trying to deflect attention from their culpability.

As for the nurse, if she felt she had betrayed one of her patients then she could very well have felt that the only honourable thing to do was to pay for her betrayal with her life. She was from over seas, so we do not know what their concepts of honour are.

[lily.]

Just seems a massive overreaction for the situation, thats all. Made worse because she was a mother, surely she wouldnt (in the 'right' frame of mind) kill herself over something as trivial as this. Yes, she may have been sacked/disciplined..surely her kids having a mother is more important though?

And if she thought this was something to commit suicide over and it WAS all down to this prank and nothing else, that says (to me anyway) that she wasnt mentally stable to begin with.

All of this^

There are people who want to use the DJs as targets. I watched their interview on Sky News and they were genuinely distressed. Obviously anyone in their shoes would feel awful about the situation. But, nobody could have foreseen the outcome.

I'm no psychiatrist, but I'm pretty sure anyone who takes their own life is not in a good place mentally.

I fail to see how she could reach that place simply from the pressure of a mistake (and let's not forget she did make a mistake) at work.

I reckon there's more to this story, and to this woman. She was a devout catholic as far as I'm aware, and we all know how suicide is viewed by the catholic church.

A lot of people want to point the finger at the DJs, and for that reason they'll pick apart every little thing they do.

But, the bottom line is this... It doesn't matter which hospital you work in, or who the patient is.. you DO NOT EVER give out patient information on the telephone. That much is made clear at interview stage.

So, how a woman who worked in a hospital which cared for such high profile patients did not know this basic rule is beyond me.

[Nedusa]

Lets forget the fact this was a prank call and look at the wider issue

This private hospital, (Not NHS but Private) had a high profile patient, it may have been a royal, but it could easily have been a pop star, film star, footballer etc.

The hospital had a duty of care to protect their patient.

Now I have worked in one place where they had posters warning to be wary of calls from the public, on the grounds they might be journalists. Later on if we were ever called by them we were all instructed to pass them on to our equivalent of a press office.

Getting back to this hospital, they should have realised that with a high profile VIP then aspects of the media would have tried it on to get a scoop on the others. (This call could very well have been a journalist lying their way to get a Pulitzer prize or spoil any exclusive that could have been signed up to.) This private hospital should have had adequate gate keepers to keep out these media hounds. A nurse "covering" the phones does not cut it. They are not trained to smell a rat or a journalist trying it on.

The hospital failed in their duty of care to the Duchess of Cambridge and their staff.

Journalists and DJ's will do what they do, so why blame them for doing their job. If part of their function was to "entertain" with these sort of calls, (Not my cup of tea), then they were doing their job. If the station has any culpability it lies further up the chain, since the procedure to obtain permissions may not have been followed.

The majority of the blame lies with the hospital, and they are trying to deflect attention from their culpability.

As for the nurse, if she felt she had betrayed one of her patients then she could very well have felt that the only honourable thing to do was to pay for her betrayal with her life. She was from over seas, so we do not know what their concepts of honour are.

Thanks... Good post , you said pretty much what I wanted to express in my earlier posts...!!!

[Mrluvaluva]

Morrissey has slammed the British royal family following the death of nurse Jacintha Saldanha.

The singer labelled Prince William and Kate "arrogant" in the aftermath of the King Edward Hospital nurse's suspected suicide.

Nurse Jacintha Saldanha was found dead last week after transferring a call in which Australian DJs Mel Greig and Michael Christian pretended to be Queen Elizabeth II and Prince Charles to gain medical details about the hospitalised Duchess of Cambridge.

The former Smiths frontman called for the royal couple to show remorse for the incident, and that the blame should not be solely placed on the DJs.

He told New Zealand's 3News: "Even with the recent story about the nurse killing herself in King Edward Hospital, there's no blame placed on Kate Middleton, who was in the hospital as far as I could see for absolutely no reason.

"She feels no shame about the death of this woman, she's saying nothing about the death of this poor woman. The arrogance of the British royals is staggering, absolutely staggering. And why it's allowed to be I really don't know."

He added that the duchess's reported morning sickness was not worth a hospital visit, saying: "Does she have a health condition...? What is the health condition?

"I mean morning sickness already? So much hoo haw and then suddenly as bright as a button as soon as this poor woman dies she's out of hospital? It doesn't ring true.

"And I'm sure the Palace and Clarence House put maximum pressure on this poor receptionist and nurse, and of course that's kept away from the press.

"I'm sure the British press hounded this poor woman to her death, that's kept away. And by this time next week she'll be forgotten. And that's how the British royals work."

Australian radio station 2Day FM have announced that they will donate ad revenue to the family of Jacintha Saldanha.

Morrissey has criticised the British royal family for many years, recently describing Prince Harry as "an idiot".

He caused controversy earlier this year by comparing the London 2012 Olympics to Nazi Germany.


Digital Spy (http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/showbiz/news/a444642/morrissey-attacks-kate-middleton-prince-william-for-nurse-death.html)


Oh shut the fu.ck up Morrissey. Whilst I agree that the press have to take some blame in the cause of her death, I fail to see what crimes Kate and William have committed? Any excuse for a royal bashing...

[Niamh.]

Well that's just stupid, kate should feel guilty for having been in hospital? wtf

[Niamh.]

Kate is a victim in this as well

[Kazanne]

What an utter dipstick he is,as if Kate should shoulder any blame,she was ill,maybe he needs some publicity,who does he think he is?

[arista]

"Morrissey has slammed the British royal family following the death of nurse"


Typical of him

[the truth]

wouldthis even be a story if it wasnt connected with the monarchy

[Niamh.]

wouldthis even be a story if it wasnt connected with the monarchy

Obviously not, I doubt the radio station would have played a prank on a normal person, wouldn't exactly gain any interest from their viewers

[InOne]

Moz knocking it out the park once again. What a guy.

http://retrorebirth.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/morrissey-smiths-birthday-may-22.jpg

[lily.]

What a nob

[Marsh.]

who was in the hospital as far as I could see for absolutely no reason.

Yes, because that's what people do don't they? Go into hospital for no reason. :rolleyes:

Is he a medical professional now, making a diagnosis on someone he's never even met?

[Liberty4eva]

I listened to the prank call and can't believe THIS caused their radio station to be suspended. It was a light-hearted prank, nothing malicious about it.

This leads me to believe that either the nurse had other issues that really were the cause or the royals had her wacked and made it look like a suicide. Either way I thought the "prank" was funny.

[lily.]

I listened to the prank call and can't believe THIS caused their radio station to be suspended. It was a light-hearted prank, nothing malicious about it.

This leads me to believe that either the nurse had other issues that really were the cause or the royals had her wacked and made it look like a suicide. Either way I thought the "prank" was funny.

hahahahahaha

Someone's been watching too many Scorcese movies..

[Irene Pearson]

Well I will ask once again , where was royal security? Let's see if this gets deleted.

[Sticks]

I will reiterate forget that the call was a prank call. What if it had been a journalist on a trashy tabloid trying to get a story to scoop the others and got through. What would the reaction be then?

The hospital failed big time because they did not have an adequate gatekeeper in place. A nurse, not trained for that is not sufficient. They are blaming others for their own failings. It matters not that it was a royal, it could have been another celeb, they still failed.

[Me. I Am Salman]

Why isn't Morrissey dead yet

[Jesus.]

Well I will ask once again , where was royal security? Let's see if this gets deleted.

Why would that be deleted? Mods wouldn't delete that.

[Niamh.]

Why would that be deleted? Mods wouldn't delete that.

The Queen is actually a mod though, she goes by the name of Vicky...don't tell anyone I told you ;)

[Mrluvaluva]

The Queen is actually a mod though, she goes by the name of Vicky...don't tell anyone I told you ;)

According to Morrissey, The Queen is dead. :wink:

[Jesus.]

The Queen is actually a mod though, she goes by the name of Vicky...don't tell anyone I told you ;)

I actually feel pretty dirty. I think I might have accidentally stuck up for the mods then.

Don't tell anyone.

[Niamh.]

:laugh2:

[Kizzy]

Moz knocking it out the park once again. What a guy.

http://retrorebirth.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/morrissey-smiths-birthday-may-22.jpg

:love:

[Irene Pearson]

Why would that be deleted? Mods wouldn't delete that.

I have no idea but they did????????strange

[MTVN]

No we didn't..

[Mrluvaluva]

Oh yes you did......(well it is that season).

[Marcus.]

Oh yes you did......(well it is that season).

well that one that was funny :joker:

[Sticks]

From BBC News (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20710644)

Jacintha Saldanha inquest: Kate hoax nurse found hanged

A nurse fooled by a hoax call to the London hospital treating the Duchess of Cambridge was later found hanged, an inquest has heard.

Jacintha Saldanha was found dead in her nurses' quarters on Friday, three days after the call from Australian radio presenters pretending to be the Queen and Prince Charles.

There were also injuries to her wrist, Westminster Coroner's Court heard.

The inquest was opened and adjourned until 26 March.

Det Ch Insp James Harman told the court: "On Friday 7 December Jacintha Saldanha was found by a colleague and a member of security staff. Sadly she was found hanging.

"There was also injuries to her wrist. The London Ambulance Service was called to the scene. At this time there are no suspicious circumstances."

Two notes were found in Mrs Saldanha's room and another among her possessions, the court was also told.

Mrs Saldanha, a 46-year-old wife and mother of two, transferred the telephone call on 4 December to a colleague who then gave a detailed update on the duchess's condition to the hoaxers.

The duchess, who is in the early stages of pregnancy, was receiving treatment at King Edward VII's Hospital for hyperemesis gravidarum, an extreme form of morning sickness.

[arista]

She Left 3 notes

[Irene Pearson]

I really think that this poor lady was vulnerable before this happened. I hope she has found peace. Terrible tragedy.

[Marcus.]

I really think that this poor lady was vulnerable before this happened. I hope she has found peace. Terrible tragedy.

yeah same here

[InOne]

I really think that this poor lady was vulnerable before this happened. I hope she has found peace. Terrible tragedy.

What makes you think that then?

[arista]

Down Under the Staff and DJ's have gone to Secret Locations to stay
after a threat said they have bullets with their names on.


Is this from Muslims Down Under?


Ref: ITV1HD : Daybreak

[MTVN]

Why on earth would it be from Muslims

[arista]

Why on earth would it be from Muslims


Would it be White Aussie's
I think not


They may not but muslims, of course
they may just be from India
living down under

[Jesus.]

Wow.

Heil Arista.

On a side note, the guy in Stick's avatar is how I expect Arista to look for some bizarre reason.

[MTVN]

..because only Muslims would ever issue death threats right

You're getting more bigoted by the day arista

[lily.]

Wow. I thought there were forum rules here against spewing such bigoted nonsense.

[arista]

..because only Muslims would ever issue death threats right

You're getting more bigoted by the day arista



Keep a Eye On Me.

[arista]

Wow. I thought there were forum rules here against spewing such bigoted nonsense.


I Put ?


This is a news Story Today
New Death Threats

[arista]

Wow.

Heil Arista.

On a side note, the guy in Stick's avatar is how I expect Arista to look for some bizarre reason.


No.

[Sticks]

That Avatar is me, what I look like so nobody can accuse me of pretending to be a teenager

[arista]

That Avatar is me, what I look like so nobody can accuse me of pretending to be a teenager


Nothing Wrong with That

[lily.]

You put a question mark, so that makes it okay?

Sorry, no.

[arista]

You put a question mark, so that makes it okay?

Sorry, no.


I am asking who would tell
them there is a Bullet with all their names on?

[lily.]

Asking that would be:

"Who do you think would be responsible for the death threats?"

Implying it's Muslims is this:

"Is this from Muslims Down Under?"

And then following up with:

"Would it be White Aussie's
I think not"

[BBfanUSA]

There are Muslims living in Australia by the way. Don't assume it's a Muslim. There are idiots out there that think that the DJs should still be liable for her death which makes me sick.

[Sticks]

I could argue that Kate set this chain of events in motion by disobeying the command from officials at the palace. She was told not to get pregnant this year as this year belongs to Her Majesty...

[Irene Pearson]

What makes you think that then?

Do you want a serious answer to that or are you taking the mick

[InOne]

Do you want a serious answer to that or are you taking the mick

I want you to elaborate

[Irene Pearson]

Morrissey has slammed the British royal family following the death of nurse Jacintha Saldanha.

The singer labelled Prince William and Kate "arrogant" in the aftermath of the King Edward Hospital nurse's suspected suicide.

Nurse Jacintha Saldanha was found dead last week after transferring a call in which Australian DJs Mel Greig and Michael Christian pretended to be Queen Elizabeth II and Prince Charles to gain medical details about the hospitalised Duchess of Cambridge.

The former Smiths frontman called for the royal couple to show remorse for the incident, and that the blame should not be solely placed on the DJs.

He told New Zealand's 3News: "Even with the recent story about the nurse killing herself in King Edward Hospital, there's no blame placed on Kate Middleton, who was in the hospital as far as I could see for absolutely no reason.

"She feels no shame about the death of this woman, she's saying nothing about the death of this poor woman. The arrogance of the British royals is staggering, absolutely staggering. And why it's allowed to be I really don't know."

He added that the duchess's reported morning sickness was not worth a hospital visit, saying: "Does she have a health condition...? What is the health condition?

"I mean morning sickness already? So much hoo haw and then suddenly as bright as a button as soon as this poor woman dies she's out of hospital? It doesn't ring true.

"And I'm sure the Palace and Clarence House put maximum pressure on this poor receptionist and nurse, and of course that's kept away from the press.

"I'm sure the British press hounded this poor woman to her death, that's kept away. And by this time next week she'll be forgotten. And that's how the British royals work."

Australian radio station 2Day FM have announced that they will donate ad revenue to the family of Jacintha Saldanha.

Morrissey has criticised the British royal family for many years, recently describing Prince Harry as "an idiot".

He caused controversy earlier this year by comparing the London 2012 Olympics to Nazi Germany.


Digital Spy (http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/showbiz/news/a444642/morrissey-attacks-kate-middleton-prince-william-for-nurse-death.html)


Oh shut the fu.ck up Morrissey. Whilst I agree that the press have to take some blame in the cause of her death, I fail to see what crimes Kate and William have committed? Any excuse for a royal bashing...

Morrissey has no connection between his gob and his brain cell

[InOne]

Morrissey has no connection between his gob and his brain cell

Dissing Morrissey results in a 6 month ban. Go wash your mouth out lady :nono:

[Irene Pearson]

All the aspects didn't help probably. The prank, the fact it was to do with the Royals, she got into serious trouble with work and then it became global news. As it said, she would've felt such shame. Also in the article there is no mentions of any previous mental illness or home troubles. She was a popular well liked person. It doesn't always take mentally unstable people to commit suicide like that if a situation arises.

Is this an informed comment? or guesswork

[InOne]

Is this an informed comment? or guesswork

Very informed I'll have you know.

[Irene Pearson]

Very informed I'll have you know.

How so? I would like you to elaborate

[InOne]

I asked first :)

[Irene Pearson]

I asked first :)

I asked politely which supersedes your demand

[InOne]

I asked politely which supersedes your demand

It really doesn't.

[Irene Pearson]

Me thinks you prevaricate too much.

[InOne]

I asked you a simple question, not my fault if you're backing out now. If you can't handle it don't come into SD.

[Irene Pearson]

Not falling for that approach either

[InOne]

Ok luv xo

[Irene Pearson]

I asked you a simple question, not my fault if you're backing out now. If you can't handle it don't come into SD.

If you could have tempered your request with a modicum of politeness, rather than resort to rudeness when I will not do what you WANT, I would have given you my reasonably "educated" opinion.

[Irene Pearson]

Ok luv xo

Don't think I am your luv either???

[InOne]

If you could have tempered your request with a modicum of politeness, rather than resort to rudeness when I will not do what you WANT, I would have given you my reasonably "educated" opinion.

You're very moody today Irene. Or you just looking to argue?

[Irene Pearson]

You're very moody today Irene. Or you just looking to argue?

Oh dear Scrooge there you go again. Yes LUV it's probably my "HORMONES".:bawling: Is that what you want to hear?

[Marcus.]

Oh dear Scrooge there you go again. Yes LUV it's probably my "HORMONES".:bawling: Is that what you want to hear?

oh snap

you just got irened

[InOne]

Oh dear Scrooge there you go again. Yes LUV it's probably my "HORMONES".:bawling: Is that what you want to hear?

Excuses excuses.

And shut up Shining Star

[Marcus.]

Excuses excuses.

And shut up Shining Star

no i will not

[InOne]

no i will not

And why is that?

[Marcus.]

And why is that?

because i don't what to

[InOne]

because i don't what to

Well looks like you're banned from the thread then.

Off you trott.