27 Killed in Elementry Shooting in Connecticut [Names/Ages released]

[Marc]

A shooting at a US elementary school has reportedly killed at least 27 people - including 18 children.

The death toll at Sandy Hook Elementary School, in Newtown, Connecticut was reported by AP, which cited unnamed officials.

It is also being reported that the shooter, the father of a pupil, has been killed.

Meanwhile, local newspaper the Hartford Courant said an entire classroom was unaccounted for. It reported sources as saying many of the shootings took place in a kindergarten classroom.

Staff at Danbury Hospital say they did not expect to receive more patients than the three they were treating.

A White House spokesman said President Barack Obama was monitoring the situation.

Local media initially reported there were two shooters, while police reportedly said a gunman was in the main office of the school and that a person in one room had "numerous gunshot wounds".

A dispatcher at the Newtown Volunteer Ambulance Corps said a teacher was shot in the foot and taken to Danbury Hospital.

But State Police are reportedly saying that the school is no longer an "active shooting scene".

Crying pupils were seen being escorted from the school, which has children aged between five and 10 years old.

Disgusting

Why aren't guns banned?

[arista]

27 people dead including more than a dozen children after 'student's father' opened fire at Connecticut elementary school

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2248197/Shooting-Sandy-Hook-elementary-school.html#ixzz2F3Ca72vq



Marc Its America - Land of the Gun

[arista]

Disgusting

Why aren't guns banned?


You having a Laugh


America is Built on Gun Rights

[Marc]

Bastard killed himself afterwards :bored:

[arista]

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[MTVN]

Jesus Christ, a couple of hours ago it was just being reported that one person was dead

[Marcus.]

Bastard killed himself afterwards :bored:

i think he should of got punished

he is a fishing fishing man

[arista]

Jesus Christ, a couple of hours ago it was just being reported that one person was dead


Yes takes time to find all the dead

[arista]

i think he should of got punished

he is a fishing fishing man


No Better Dead

[Marcus.]

No Better Dead

yep

poor kid

[Kizzy]

My god, why kids?...
:(

[Kizzy]

My god, why kids?...
:(

[Shaun]

Jesus Christ, a couple of hours ago it was just being reported that one person was dead

Saw that too :(

[Benjamin]

How awful and just before Christmas too. :(

[MeMyselfAndI]

:(

[arista]

How awful and just before Christmas too. :(



and Typical Of America

[Me. I Am Salman]

RIP :sad:

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/12/14/article-2248197-16848260000005DC-591_634x407.jpg

26 dead, including 18 children
Plus the Dead Gun Man making it 27

"One mother of an eight-year-old girl at the school, Brenda Lebinski, told Patch that her daughter is safe thanks to one teacher's decision to move all kids into a closet when a gunman (aged in his 20's) had entered the building."

[SharkAttack]

That's ****ed up. No words.

[Benjamin]

and Typical Of America

Not just the US, it's happened here in the UK too. Remember Dunblane when all those 5 year olds were shot dead?

[arista]

Not just the US, it's happened here in the UK too. Remember Dunblane when all those 5 year olds were shot dead?



Yes but in America its nearly Every Year.

[Me. I Am Salman]

Isn't that 3 mass shootings in America this year?

[arista]

FoxNewsHD just confirmed he was a 20 Year old man

[arista]

Isn't that 3 mass shootings in America this year?


Yes

[InOne]

It's was a lot worse in the 70's and 80's.

[Kazanne]

Terribly sad news,18 kids dead and in all 26,what a bloody awful tragedy,a primary school and kindegarten no less,mad just mad.

[arista]

It's was a lot worse in the 70's and 80's.


Some saying its worse now
as this Dead Evil Git was only 20

[Suze]

That's unbelievably sad :( How awful for the parents, family and friends of those children :( I can't for the life of me understand and never will how anyone can do that, especially to children, there is absolutely no reasoning whatsoever for it. He should have just shot himself straight off and be done with it, then all those sweet little lifes would have been saved. R.I.P little ones.

[Jack_]

:o

Those images on the Daily Heil are particularly disturbing.

[Marcus.]

on the news they said there an whole class not counted for

[arista]

FoxNewsHD says Police have a 2nd Suspect?

[King Gizzard]

Those Gun laws Mitt and Barack wouldn't touch in fear of it ruining their presidential campaign..

[Me. I Am Salman]

10,000 killed by guns in US last year. In the UK? 39.
- Nigel , Lancs, United Kingdom, 14/12/2012 18:30

[Liberty4eva]

10,000 killed by guns in US last year. In the UK? 39.
- Nigel , Lancs, United Kingdom, 14/12/2012 18:30


Did you know that it's illegal in Mexico to own a gun and, as a result, not one person is ever shot and killed in Mexico? Not one! Ever! Do believe that? I'll bet you would. :rolleyes:

On a serious note, take away the amount of Americans killed by the Mexican drug cartel and that number of amount killed by gun becomes more reasonable.

America's fascination with guns will never go away and I don't necessarily see that as an evil. It's what allowed the coloninsts to get independence from UK rule. It would be the last line of defense against a 1984 society. If the day ever comes when government becomes too oppressive and tyrannical there will at least exist a means of resistance. In the UK if government becomes tyrannical, what can you do? Write angry letters?

http://earthhopenetwork.net/gun_control_works.jpg

[Josiah.]

They are saying that the (now deceased) shooter was 20 years old.

[Livia]

It's tragic when there's a shooting like this. But children. It's impossible to comprehend.

[Me. I Am Salman]

Did you know that it's illegal in Mexico to own a gun and, as a result, not one person is ever shot and killed in Mexico? Not one! Ever! Do believe that? I'll bet you would. :rolleyes:

On a serious note, take away the amount of Americans killed by the Mexican drug cartel and that number of amount killed by gun becomes more reasonable.

America's fascination with guns will never go away and I don't necessarily see that as an evil. It's what allowed the coloninsts to get independence from UK rule. It would be the last line of defense against a 1984 society. If the day ever comes when government becomes too oppressive and tyrannical there will at least exist a means of resistance. In the UK if government becomes tyrannical, what can you do? Write angry letters?

http://earthhopenetwork.net/gun_control_works.jpg

America has a much more civilized society compared to Mexico, so not really a good example.

[Ramsay]

What could drive someone to do this? :bored:

[Jamie585]

This is absolutely Horrific!! Why are guns even on sale in America, It's ******ing ridiculous, They're really are some F'd up people in this world, to think of how scary that must of been for those children, but an elementary school as well, that's children younger than 11 :sad: sickens me!!

[Liberty4eva]

America has a much more civilized society compared to Mexico, so not really a good example.

You clearly haven't researched this subject beyond watching a Michael Moore film.

[arista]

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02428/4way_2428623b.jpg

[SharkAttack]

Sounds like mostly kindergarten children took the brunt of this madman's spree. Can't help but feeling sick to my stomach, must stop reading the news.

[Harry!]

This is so tragic! Poor people - especially the children shot. It is just 11 days till Christmas time and many children were expecting to celebrate with their families. Sadly the only things in boxes this year will be the bodies of the deceased. :(. The US must do more to tackle Gun usage.

[Ninastar]

this literally makes me feel sick. Those poor poor families. 18 kids.... jesus christ :sad:

[Vanessa]

This is terrible! What a tragedy. Those poor kids! :sad::bawling:

[Mystic Mock]

While it's very sad news and I feel really sorry for the parents, hopefully it means that America will now realise that it's wrong to legalize guns and they ban them after this, children and the parents of those children should feel safe when they go to School.

[lily.]

This is too horrible for words. :(

[Marcus.]

This is too horrible for words. :(

yeah it is

the poor kids when the older

[Ammi]

..I read that he killed his father first, but I don't know if it's been confirmed...

[Marcus.]

..I read that he killed his father first, but I don't know if it's been confirmed...

yeah it was ammi

[arista]

20 children and six adults.

[Marcus.]

20 children and six adults.

oh poor kids

[Jamie585]

The fact that they were kids is even more sickening. They had their whole lives ahead of them, so innocent :bawling:

[Mystic Mock]

They was all innocent tbf, but yes it's sick to think that he would do that to children just going to School.

[Marc]

It's so sad :(

[King Gizzard]

Tried having a debate with some guy about why he has guns, he said ''protection''..


He then said he has 7 guns http://i.imgur.com/qHw6h.gif

If there weren't guns available in the first place, you wouldn't need protection..from guns

At least limit the ammunition one house is aloud to have, you don't need 100 rounds for protecting your family

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/12/15/article-2248197-168579C1000005DC-946_634x452.jpg
"The Killer : Adam Lanza, 20, shot his teacher
mother before driving to her elementary school
and shooting 26 people including 20 children

Brother Ryan, 24, is in custody and being questioned"

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2248197/Sandy-Hook-elementary-shooting-29-dead-including-22-children-Connecticut-school.html#ixzz2F4tHOqlU

"Female principal and school psychologist
believed to have been targeted"

[arista]

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[nicole_burks]

I was at work on break when I heard about this.

Absolutely awful. Just heard my mom say that apparently it's moved up to 28.

[the truth]

im not just devastated for these families, im angry as hell....300 millions guns in america? its basically becoming hell on earth....i detest guns , period. obama MUST go ape **** on his psycho opponents and outlaw the sale of guns. the only people who get them MUST have legitimate reasons and they MUST make the regulations tighter than a queen bees backside

rip you poor innocent children , forever young xxxxx

[arista]

im not just devastated for these families, im angry as hell....300 millions guns in america? its basically becoming hell on earth....i detest guns , period. obama MUST go ape **** on his psycho opponents and outlaw the sale of guns. the only people who get them MUST have legitimate reasons and they MUST make the regulations tighter than a queen bees backside

rip you poor innocent children , forever young xxxxx


Knowing America
they will probably put Armed Security in more schools.

Guns are the American way
it can not change, sadly.

[Nedusa]

Where to start with this... It's absolutely heartbreaking another 20+ families needlessly bereaved in the most horrible of circumstances. Another grisly school shooting yet this time they are all innocents most of them under 10 yrs. It's hard to even comprehend.

How a young 20 year old could plan and execute such a barbaric cold blooded act is also hard to comprehend. How did he get access to these weapons and why did he decide after he murdered his mother that he would kill 20 young children.

Perhaps some of the blame can be laid at the door of easily obtainable violent video games that can have a dehumanising effect and alter the view of reality of a disturbed youngster. Coupled with access to guns and a deeply disturbed mental state one can see how this type of incident could happen.

A terrible tragedy none the less and calls now for stricter gun control must surely be heard as this type of incident is all to common and no less tragic...!!!

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/12/15/article-2248477-1685F4CB000005DC-178_964x300.jpg
"Authorities have identified
first grade teacher Victoria Soto, 27, (left)
principal Dawn Hochsprung (centre)
and school psychologist Mary Sherlach (right)
as three of the adult victims murdered
at Sandy Hook Elementary School
in Newtown, Connecticut.
Adam Lanza (inset right), the son of a teacher,
is said to have killed 26 people
at the school - including 20 young students - before taking
his own life, having already murdered his mother
at her home. Including Lanza, 28 lives were lost in the killing spree. "




What did the school psychologist do wrong with this Evil Lad/Man?

[SharkAttack]

Thanks for the updates, Arista, BBC has had very extensive coverage from early on and have done a decent job, well done on their part. In general, to all, some tend to think of a lot of Americans as ignorant and not willing to relate their own horrors with the horrors of several countries. Foreign affairs feel like foreign affairs, very far away and perhaps less existent, while, locally, things tend to hit home a whole lot more. We're all susceptible, as a world, to feel on the tangibles.

[Kizzy]

Why would his mother need 3 guns in the house?

[Redway]

This is all very sad news but I really wish people would feel sympathy for the adults as well as the children.

[Jesus.]

Why would his mother need 3 guns in the house?

The gun lobby in America is so powerful, that they've convinced people, not that they need to own guns, but it's their right as Americans to own guns.

Of course, the time the constitution was written, the gun law was being able to protect themselves from the government.

These days, you could own all the guns in the world, but if the government wants to kill you, they'll land a drone on your head.

[bbfan1991]

Awful news:(. My thoughts and condolences to the loved ones of those who were killed! What a messed up and evil person to do something like that to fellow human beings...

America really need to use this tragedy as a wake up call and try to do something about tightening up the gun laws or more incidents like these will continue to happen and more lives will be lost, it is impossible to stop everything but combating some of the problem is better than not tackling it at all!

[Beastie]

Sick buggers. BAN GUNS all together!! No household should have a gun to protect their family. If the burgler does not have a gun in the first place then the household doesn't need one. Just make sure you make your house into a Home Alone type trap or something to catch the culprits!

[lily.]

This is all very sad news but I really wish people would feel sympathy for the adults as well as the children.

I think people do feel sympathy for the adults. It's just that nobody can really take in the fact that he did this to so many children. It's just the horror of it all means there is more focus on the children. The innocents.

The adults were innocent too, and it's horrifying that they were gunned down, but I think as a society we've become desensitised to adults being murdered, yet we never get used to hearing of such things happening to children.

The whole thing is a tragedy.. the kids who were killed, the kids who witnessed it.. the adults who were killed, the adults who witnessed it.. the families of everyone involved.. and even the family of the guy who did it. There must have been something terribly wrong in his head to have done such a thing, and the people in his life will be asking themselves if they should have known and could have stopped it.

It's not often a news story affects me emotionally, but this one has, and continues to do so..

[arista]

Sick buggers. BAN GUNS all together!! No household should have a gun to protect their family. If the burgler does not have a gun in the first place then the household doesn't need one. Just make sure you make your house into a Home Alone type trap or something to catch the culprits!



The Foundation
That America was built on
is "The Right to Bear Arms"


http://www.independent.org/store/book.asp?id=72&s=ga

[Sticks]

According to the thinking of the NRA, this is the direct result of gun controls

Children should be allowed to take guns i nto school with no restriction on their type

If the children had guns then the bad man could have been taken out sooner

Those who advocated gun control are directly responsible for this massacre

So the moral is

SAY NO TO GUN CONTROL OF ANY KIND AND YES TO THE CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT OF ANYONE AT ANY AGE TO BEAR ARMS OF ANY TYPE!!!!

Returning to the UK and Dunblane in 1996, when the UK government was legislating against handgun ownership, His Royal Highness Prince Phillip the Duke of Edinburgh was over head saying, if someone kill someone by hitting them over the head with a cricket bat, then they will be banning them next.

The NRA lobby will win and gun control will be utterly defeated, yet again as the NRA are all powerful and have a strong grip on Congress.

:bored::rolleyes:

[Benjamin]

The gunman who killed 20 children and six adults at a school in Connecticut used a rifle as his main weapon, the chief medical examiner says.

All the victims at Sandy Hook school in Newtown died of gunshot wounds, H Wayne Carver II said.

A list of the dead has been released. All the children were aged six or seven, and all the adults were women.

The gunman, named in media reports as Adam Lanza, killed his mother before driving to the school and opening fire.

Head teacher Dawn Hochsprung is listed among the dead, along with adults Rachel DaVino, Anne Marie Murphy, Lauren Russo, Mary Sherlach and Victoria Soto.

Children who died

Charlotte Bacon, 6
Daniel Barden, 7
Olivia Engel, 6
Josephine Gay, 7
Ana Marquez-Greene, 6
Dylan Hockley, 6
Madeleine Hsu, 6
Catherine Hubbard, 6
Chase Kowalski, 7
Jesse Lewis, 6
James Mattioli, 6
Grace McDonnell, 7
Emilie Parker, 6
Jack Pinto, 6
Noah Pozner, 6
Caroline Previdi, 6
Jessica Rekos, 6
Avielle Richman, 6
Benjamin Wheeler, 6
Allison Wyatt, 6



The youngest child to be killed was Noah Pozner, who celebrated his sixth birthday only last month. Most of the children who died were girls and nearly all were aged six.

Dr Carver said all the victims had been hit more than once.

Initial reports suggested that the killer had used two handguns which he also had with him.

Earlier, Lt Paul Vance of Connecticut state police said the gunman had forced his way into the school, and had not been let in "voluntarily".

He said investigators had gathered "good evidence" in the search for a motive.

The gunman killed his mother at the home they shared before driving to the school in her car and opening fire. Reports say the guns used in the attacks were registered to her.

There are conflicting reports about whether she had worked at the school in the past.

Connecticut Governor Dannel Malloy made a television address saying the children were "taken from their families far too soon".

"What's important right now is love, courage and compassion," he said.

Newtown is a vale of tears. Jeannie Pasacreta, a nurse practitioner and psychologist in this picture postcard New England town, told me that neighbours were cancelling Christmas parties and taking down decorations, unable to celebrate amidst such searing grief.

Grief counsellors arrived at the firehouse where families have been waiting before going to identify their dead children.

Firefighters laid flowers at the white sign which says "Sandy Hook school, visitors welcome". That spot is rapidly becoming a makeshift memorial. A couple laid a bouquet, then embraced one another, weeping as they walked away.

People are at a loss, said Dr Pasacreta, who believes the lesson of this killing is to give more help to those showing signs of mental illness.

As reporters from around the world gathered outside the firehouse, there was a chilling reminder of what had happened. A black medical examiner's truck passed us, pulling a huge white refrigerated vehicle that is likely to have served as a mortuary for those killed in the shooting. This reporter wept at the thought of the children's bodies inside.

"As a country we have been through this too many times," he said in an emotional White House address.

"We're going to have to come together and take meaningful action to prevent more tragedies like this, regardless of the politics."

Friday's killings took place in two rooms within a single section of the school, police have said. The shooting lasted just a few minutes.
'Absolutely quiet'

As they heard the shots, teachers in other parts of the building tried to protect children by locking doors and ushering them into closets.

"I told them we had to be absolutely quiet, because I was just so afraid if he did come in, then he would hear us and just start shooting the door," said teacher Kaitlin Roig.

"I said to them, 'I need you to know that I love you all very much and that it's going to be okay', because I thought that was the last thing they were ever going to hear."

Library clerk Maryann Jacob described telling 18 children to crawl into a storage room, before barricading the door with a filing cabinet. "We set them up with paper and crayons," she said.

Dr Jeannie Pasacreta, a nurse practitioner and psychologist who has been advising parents on how to talk to their children, says neighbours have been cancelling Christmas parties and taking down decorations.
Brother questioned

Early reports named 24-year-old Ryan Lanza, of Hoboken, New Jersey, as the gunman, but unnamed officials later said his brother Adam was the suspect.

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Chief medical examiner Dr H Wayne Carver II says the victims had "a devastating set of injuries"

Ryan Lanza was questioned by police, US media reported, but has not been named as a suspect.

In a separate development, police in Oklahoma have arrested a teenager for allegedly plotting to shoot and bomb students at his school in Bartlesville. Sammie Eaglebear Chavez, 18, is said to have tried to convince other students to help him carry out an attack.

The attack at Newtown is the second deadliest shooting attack at a US school or university.

In 2007, a student at Virginia Tech university killed 32 people and injured many more.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-20744701

[Benjamin]

Most of the 26 people killed by a gunman at Sandy Hook Elementary School were children aged just six or seven. The six adults who died included the head teacher, Dawn Hochsprung. Here is what we know so far about some of the victims.

Victoria Soto, 27: Details of the teacher's death remain unclear although investigators told relatives that she was killed while shielding her pupils.

She reportedly hid some in a bathroom or closet, ensuring they were safe, her cousin Jim Wiltsie told ABC News.

"She was trying to shield, get her children into a closet and protect them from harm," he told ABC. "And by doing that, put herself between the gunman and the children."

He added: "She lost her life doing what she loved."


Dawn Hochsprung, 47: The head teacher of Sandy Hook Elementary viewed her school as a model, telling The Newtown Bee newspaper in 2010: "I don't think you could find a more positive place to bring students to every day."

In October she shared a picture of the school's evacuation drill with the message "Safety first."

Officials said she died while lunging at the gunman in an attempt to overtake him.

Mary Sherlach, 56: Janet Robinson, superintendent of Newtown Public Schools, said that when shots rang out, school psychologist Mary Sherlach ran toward the shooter along with Ms Hochsprung.

Those who knew her called her a wonderful neighbour and a dedicated educator.

Her son-in-law, Eric Schwartz, told the South Jersey Times that she relished helping children overcome their problems. She had planned to leave work early on Friday, he said. He told reporters the loss was devastating but that Sherlach was doing what she loved.

"Mary felt like she was doing God's work," he said, "working with the children."

Lauren Russo, 30: Her mother, Teresa Russo, said Lauren had spent years working as a substitute teacher and was thrilled when she finally become a full-time teacher at Sandy Hook.

"It was the best year of her life," she told the Danbury News-Times, where she is a copy editor.

Lauren Russo had planned to see the film The Hobbit with her boyfriend on Friday and had baked cakes for a party they were to attend afterward. She was a graduate of the University of Connecticut and the University of Bridgeport.

Emilie Parker, 6: Father Robbie Parker, 30, was one of the first parents to publicly talk about his loss. He said Emilie, the older of his three children, "could just light up a room".

He told reporters that she loved to try new things - except food.

"My wife and I don't understand how to process this and how to get our lives going. I don't know how to get through something like this."

Ana Marquez-Greene, 6: Media reports have identified Ana as the daughter of jazz saxophonist Jimmy Greene.

The child's grandmother, Elba Marquez, said the family had moved to Connecticut just two months ago from Canada, drawn in part by Sandy Hook's glowing reputation.

"It was a beautiful place, just beautiful. What happened does not match up with the place where they live," she said.

Ms Marquez's brother, Jorge Marquez, is mayor of a Puerto Rican town and she said Ana's nine-year-old brother was also at the school, but escaped safely.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-20745089

[Marsh.]

Just read the part about the teacher who hid all of her class in the cupboards.

Such a brave hero. R.I.P.

[Marsh.]

Sadly the only things in boxes this year will be the bodies of the deceased. :(.

What a tasteless thing to say.

[Z]

I didn't hear about this until today, I'm in floods of tears reading about the bravery of Victoria Soto - what a wonderful thing to do, to put the lives of children before your own life. I know that many people, if not most, would do the exact same thing, but it's just so horrifying that this is our reality. What a wonderful, wonderful woman, I have no words. Rest in peace to all of those who were murdered in this rampage, this is heartbreaking.

[Ammi]

..British boy, Dylan Hockley age 6 is one of the victims....

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/obama-attend-memorial-newtown-003204449.html

[arista]

Lanza's Mother was a Collector of Good Guns.
He was a "Goth Loner" all the Killing was over in 3 mins in that school.
He used his Mothers Car to get to the School fast.
In the Daily Mail they have found out he was upset his parents had split
up, and shot those teachers with out saying a word.


Was he on Meds?

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2012/12/15/209953/default/v1/mail-1-1-329x437.jpg

[Me. I Am Salman]

Connecticut school shooting: Westboro Baptist Church blames Carrie Underwood

With all the the theories as to why the Connecticut school shooting happened on Dec. 14 and the motives of shooter, Adam Lanzo, the Westboro Baptist Church offers a reason for the slaughter. Margie Phelps, spokesperson for the Westboro Baptist Church, blames Oklahoma's own Carrie Underwood.

“She pimped fag marriage,” Margie Phelps tweeted to Carrie Underwood on Dec. 14. “Blood of dead school kids on her hands!”

The Wesboro Baptist Church opposes gay marriage, abortion, the media and all sorts of other things. Many believe they oppose everything other than their own church, which is made up of mostly Phelps family members.

At the time of publication, it is unknown why the Westboro Baptist Church is blaming Carrie Underwood. For a while, the Westboro Baptist Church appeared to be targeting Oklahoma and it's residents. Oklahoma did not tolerate their behavior and fought back. Despite threats to picket, the Westboro Baptist Church appears to now be avoiding Oklahoma.

“How on earth could Carrie Underwood be responsible?” Mandy Robinson, from Enid, asked. “She's an amazing singer, gorgeous and a very devout Christian. Those people are crazy!”

They picket and protest funerals for military members, celebrities and those killed in tragedies. The Supreme Court has ruled that their protests are legal. Despite that ruling, many laws have been passed around the country that forces the Westboro Baptist Church to maintain a specific distance between their picketing and the funerals.

The Westboro Baptist Church announced plans to picket at the Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, CT. If they carry out their plan, the residents can expect to see the Westboro Baptist Church at the funerals of the six adults and 20 children murdered by Adam Lanzo.

http://www.examiner.com/article/connecticut-school-shooting-westboro-baptist-church-blames-carrie-underwood

...

[Marc]

D: the ****

[BBfanUSA]

Da *******? If I see them anywhere near any of their funerals. I hope someone actually goes to Kansas and go to their church saying God Hates Hate.

They're a joke to my religion

also has anyone read this from Morgan Freeman. Took the words right out of my mouth.

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[Sticks]

Maybe they will allow toddlers to pack full automatic weapons from now on to prevent such tragedies. Already I have heard one Texan gunshop owner saying the teachers should have been armed

The new NRA motto is

Guns don't kill people, Gun Controls kill people

[Sticks]

also has anyone read this from Morgan Freeman. Took the words right out of my mouth.

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Must have been while you were kissing...


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[Bluerang1]

What's the Daily Mail doing? Now's not the time to make things up.

[arista]

What's the Daily Mail doing? Now's not the time to make things up.


What are you on about?

[arista]

Exclusive from Ch4News
As the were Filming a Local Lady Drove past
and Said he was a Very Disturbed Kid
who wrote he hated everyone in a School Class.
And Mrs.Lanza told them She "Loves Her Guns."

The Disturbed 20 year old shot his mother
in her bed
twice in the head,
Also the killer Adam Lanza Destroyed Two Hard Drives
from his 2 Computers in his room.

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/12/14/article-2248197-168509C8000005DC-691_634x376.jpg
Nancy Lanza's Mansion home in Newtown, Connecticut.

[Marcus.]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/12/14/article-2248197-168509C8000005DC-691_634x376.jpg
Nancy Lanza's Mansion home in Newtown, Connecticut.

oh they were lot of money

[arista]

oh they were lot of money

Yes and sadly the Mother Loved Her Guns
he Destroyed his 2 Computer Hard Drives
that may have given the info on why he went Evil.

[Marcus.]

Yes and sadly the Mother Loved Her Guns
he Destroyed his 2 Computer Hard Drives
that may have given the info on why he went Evil.

yeah he a evil man

[Jamie585]

So much respect for this women, She's a hero.

http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/6438/2sweryujm.jpg

[Marcus.]

So much respect for this women, She's a hero.

http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/6438/2sweryujm.jpg

well done to her

[Sticks]

Those reports, including the Mogan Freeman quote may not be that accurate, see Snopes (http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/newtown.asp)

[Ammi]

..the shooter Adam Lanza seemed not to feel physical or psychological pain in the same way as his classmates at Newtown High School, a former employee there has said.

Richard Novia, the school district's head of security until 2008, who also served as adviser for the school technology club, said Lanza clearly "had some disabilities"....

"If that boy would've burned himself, he would not have known it or felt it physically," Mr Novia said. "It was my job to pay close attention to that."

Mr Novia was responsible for monitoring students as they used soldering tools and other potentially dangerous electrical equipment.

He recalled meeting school guidance counsellors, administrators and the boy's mother Nancy to understand his problems and find ways to ensure his safety. But there were other crises only a mother could solve.

"He would have an episode, and she'd have to return or come to the high school and deal with it," Mr Novia said, describing how the young man would sometimes withdraw completely "from whatever he was supposed to be doing", whether it was sitting in class or reading a book....

Lanza "could take flight, which I think was the big issue, and it wasn't a rebellious or defiant thing", Novia said. "It was withdrawal."

Authorities are trying to understand what led the young man to kill his mother in their home and then slaughter 26 children and adults at a Connecticut elementary school before taking his own life.

A law enforcement source said Lanza was diagnosed with Asperger's, a mild form of autism. People with the disorder tend to function poorly socially but can be highly intelligent.

If he did have Asperger's, his lack of sensation could be related to the disorder, said psychologist Elizabeth Laugeson, an assistant clinical professor at the University of California, Los Angeles. People with Asperger's can be overly sensitive to things like touch, noise and pain, or sometimes under-sensitive, she said.

In their teenage years, Lanza and his older brother, Ryan, were members of the tech club, which offered students a chance to work on computers, videotape school events and produce public access broadcasts.

It was popular among socially awkward students, but Lanza, while clearly smart, had problems that went beyond an adolescent lack of social skills, Mr Novia said

"You had yourself a very scared young boy, who was very nervous around people," Mr Novia said.

The club provided a setting for students to build lasting friendships. But while other members were acquainted with Lanza, none was close to him.

He was not physically bullied, although he might have been teased, Mr Novia said.

The club gave the boy a place where he could be more at ease and indulge his interest in computers. His anxieties appeared to ease, but they never disappeared. When people approached him in the hallways, he would press himself against the wall or walk in a different direction, clutching tight to his black case.

"The behaviour would be more like an eight-year-old who refuses to give up his teddy bear," Mr Novia said. "What you knew with Adam is, it was a possession. It was not a possession to be put at risk."

Even so, Mr Novia said, his primary concern was that Lanza might become a target for abuse by his fellow students, not that he might become a threat

"Somewhere along in the last four years, there were significant changes that led to what has happened," Mr Novia said. "I could never have foreseen him doing that."

Jim McDade, who lives a few houses from where Ms Lanza was killed, said his family got to know the two brothers and their mother because their children were about the same ages and rode the school bus together.

"There was certainly no indication of anything unusual that lets you think that a kid's going to do something like that," said Mr McDade, who works in finance in New York. "There was nothing that would indicate anything going on behind the scenes that would lead to this horrible mess."

He recalled Lanza as "a very bright kid".

Olivia DeVivo, a student at the University of Connecticut, was in Lanza's 10th grade English class.

"He was very different and very shy and didn't make an effort to interact with anybody," she said.

Ms DeVivo said Lanza always carried a briefcase and wore his shirts buttoned up to the top. She said he seemed bright but never really participated in class.

"Now, looking back, it's kind of like 'okay, he had all these signs', but you can't say every shy person would do something like this."

[Stu]

Dear Daily Mail, wearing a black wife beater and combats does not make you a goth. The 'nerd killer', 'geek gunman' etc tags being applied to this are superfluous and shameless in their sensationalism.

I didn't expect anything less of the media. As usual the coverage of the events are more disgusting than any of the cultural points that will probably get blamed for it.

[Shaun]

Those reports, including the Mogan Freeman quote may not be that accurate, see Snopes (http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/newtown.asp)

I expected as much... social media sites seem to love attributing false quotes. It's quite weird.

[lily.]

Dear Daily Mail, wearing a black wife beater and combats does not make you a goth. The 'nerd killer', 'geek gunman' etc tags being applied to this are superfluous and shameless in their sensationalism.

I didn't expect anything less of the media. As usual the coverage of the events are more disgusting than any of the cultural points that will probably get blamed for it.

All of this^

I hate how they always do that.

And, the Westboro Church story is just sickening. Someone's going to gun them down one day. Unfortunately they bring children with them... and they've been brainwashed by the hate-filled adults.

[Sticks]

Already the gun lobby has said that those who campaigned to remove guns from schools have blood on their hands.

Maybe they have a point.

If the little children and their teachers had been allowed to be armed up to fully automatic heavy weapons, then they could have defended themselves.

The gun lobby is now saying guns don't kill people, gun control laws and those who pass them do!!!

The gun lobby is in power

What little gun control laws that exist will be abolished...

[arista]

He had Autism
thats why when Killing 5 year olds
it was not a problem for him.

A Real Loner in every sense.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autism


And over the Weekend More guns were Sold
Ref: SkyNewsHD and BBCNews

[Sticks]

So are you saying everyone who autism should be interned just in case they start killing people?

[arista]

So are you saying everyone who autism should be interned just in case they start killing people?

No I am not.

But he did not have enought care
he could Not Hug his mother.


And due to his mental state in 3mins
he could kill 4 , 5 and 6 year olds without a blink.

[lily.]

Anonymous Targets Westboro Baptist (Again) Over Threat To Picket Newtown

The hacktivist network Anonymous has released what it claims to be a cache of personal details of members of the Westboro Baptist Church, after members of the controversial religious group said on Twitter that they would picket Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut, the scene of a mass shooting where 26 children and adults were killed on Friday.

Supporters of Anonymous, a subversive community of digital activists and internet trolls, appear to have taken down the extremist group’s website, most likely through a distributed denial of service, or DDoS attack. They also posted a YouTube video threatening to “destroy” the group.

Westboro is a small extremist group based in Topeka, Kansas, notorious for picketing the funerals of soldiers and victims of shootings with tastelessly-worded placards, claiming tragic events are God’s punishment for the existence of homosexuality.

A document posted on Pastebin earlier today claims to reveal physical addresses of the group’s founding Phelps family, telephone numbers, even a social security number, as well as background information on the group and its close coterie of members. Anonymous supporters typically refer to this information as a target’s “dox,” though it is unclear how public these personal details already were for Westboro’s members, given their controversial activities. Organizers with Anonymous are meanwhile encouraging supporters via Twitter to bombard the Kansas group with calls “all night and all day.”

A representative of Westboro, possibly its regular spokeswoman Shirley Phelps-Roper, also carried out a Reddit IAmA, or “Ask Me Anything,” earlier Sunday under the nickname GodSentCTShooter, not surprisingly meeting very few questions and plenty of irritation from Redditors.

Westboro’s apparently thick-skinned representatives almost seem to be baiting the wide community of web-savvy Internet users, a constituency that sees some overlap between a subversive network like Anonymous and discussion forums like Reddit.

That may be because this isn’t the first time Westboro and Anonymous have clashed. In February 2011 a supporter of Anonymous took part in a radio debate with Shirley Phelps-Roper, during which a small group of hackers surprised Roper by taking down several parts of Westboro’s site during the show.

Amid the more radical forms of dissent against Westboro from Anonymous, tens of thousands of people have signed two online, White House petitions against the group. Both seek to legally recognize Westboro as a hate group, its rhetoric so damaging that it can no longer be classified as “free speech,” but “hate speech.”

Source: Forbes.com (http://www.forbes.com/sites/parmyolson/2012/12/17/anonymous-targets-westboro-baptist-again-over-threat-to-picket-newtown/)

[lily.]

IHLQTB00j3E

Hello, Westboro Baptist Church.

Allow us to introduce ourselves. We are Anonymous.

As you may not have acknowledged our existence, we, on the otherhand, have recognized yours. We have seen your depraved methods of disseminating your message of hate throughout The United States of America. We have witnessed you defaming the memories of those who sacrificed themselves for the security of our nation, disrupting the peace of the educational environment within high schools and universities, breeding hatred within the fragile minds of your own next of kin, desecrating the name of God by protesting in the proximity of churches and synagogues, and mangling the biblical text to conform in accordance with your malevolent cause.

Your pseudo-faith is abhorrent, and your leaders, repugnant. Your impact and cause is hazardous to the lives of millions and you fail to see the wrong in promoting the deaths of innocent people. You are self-appointed servants of God who rewrite the words of His sacred scripture to adhere to your prejudice. Your hatred supersedes your faith, and you use faith to promote your hatred.

Since your one-dimensional thought protocol will conform not to any modern logic, we will not debate, argue, or attempt to reason with you. Instead, we have unanimously deemed your organization to be harmful to the population of The United States of America, and have therefore decided to execute an agenda of action which will progressively dismantle your institution of deceitful pretext and extreme bias, and cease when your zealotry runs dry. We recognize you as serious opponents, and do not expect our campaign to terminate in a short period of time. Attrition is our weapon, and we will waste no time, money, effort, and enjoyment, in tearing your resolve into pieces, as with exposing the incongruity of your distorted faith.

Anonymous possesses a plethora of information within our network about the many divisions of Christianity and numerous other religious doctrines. Many of us are versed in the biblical text, and we can identify each and every of your violations of scripture. You abuse the Holy Bible which you do not fully comprehend and know not of the thousands of authors to impose upon other people when you can simply coalesce with your loved ones and live in the manner you deem plausible. You engage in reciprocal fornication with another man and preach adultery as a sin. You, Shirley Lynn Phelps-Roper violated Deuteronomy 5:18. As a result, your son Sam is the living, breathing proof of your act of simple loneliness. Simply put, it takes not a genius to realize an arrogant woman's loose moral string, and its predilection to progressively wither and fray.

From the time you have received this message, our attack protocol has past been executed and your downfall is underway. Do not attempt to delude yourselves into thinking you can escape our reach, for we are everywhere, and all-seeing, in the same sense as God. We are a body of individuals who fight for a purpose higher than self, and seek to bring the malevolent intent of the malefactors to light.

We will not allow you to corrupt the minds of America with your seeds of hatred. We will not allow you to inspire aggression to the social factions which you deem inferior. We will render you obsolete. We will destroy you. We are coming.

Everyone is equal.

We are Anonymous.
We are Legion.
We do not Forgive.
We do not Forget.
Expect us.

[Bluerang1]

What are you on about?

Where did they get the Goth thing from? Who said he sought revenge on the teachers? Who said his mother taught him how to shoot?

They shouldn't make news up with a situation like this.

[Shaun]

-would find it a lot easier to appreciate Anonymous if they didn't love themselves, take themselves so seriously and adorn themselves with the most ridiculous of rhetoric and slogans-

[arista]

Where did they get the Goth thing from? Who said he sought revenge on the teachers? Who said his mother taught him how to shoot?

They shouldn't make news up with a situation like this.


Adam Lanza had autism

His Mother took him to the Shooting Range
as it was the only way she could bond with him.

He Would Not Hug Her.

[Jamie585]

I put a fb status saying How stupid it is that guns are even on sale in the US and this is a reply i got, thought?

"your right it is a horrible, but you have no idea when it comes to guns . i understand your angry about the deaths, but just because one person goes out and does something wrong, doesn't mean that they should punish every one else for owning and buying one. including a my self and allot of people i know personally enjoy being able to shoot and own a gun."

[Shaun]

ask them if they've heard of paintball. much more fun. much less fatal.

[Marc]

If somebody was so adament on killing people, they would find a way of doing it, guns laws or no gun laws. The guy was messed up

[Jamie585]

Havn't a full on argument with them now :rolleyes:

[Shaun]

If somebody was so adament on killing people, they would find a way of doing it, guns laws or no gun laws. The guy was messed up

It'd be nice though if it were a little less easy for him to do it, right?

[lily.]

-would find it a lot easier to appreciate Anonymous if they didn't love themselves, take themselves so seriously and adorn themselves with the most ridiculous of rhetoric and slogans-

To be honest, I don't care about all that. The only thing I care about is seeing people like the WBC getting hit in some form. ngl, I'd rather someone hit them between the eyes with a rifle, but violence never did solve anything.

[lily.]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/9be48639537ba01be34eaeba8c5ef933/tumblr_mf6mpb4nIV1r2gyl9o1_500.jpg

[Shaun]

STOP POSTING THINGS YOU FOUND THROUGH BILLIE JOE YOU SEE-THROUGH TRAMP <3

lol jk luvd ur xmas card x

[Jamie585]

If somebody was so adament on killing people, they would find a way of doing it, guns laws or no gun laws. The guy was messed up

I agree, but If the killer didn't have a gun, the death count would be much lower

[lily.]

STOP POSTING THINGS YOU FOUND THROUGH BILLIE JOE YOU SEE-THROUGH TRAMP <3

lol jk luvd ur xmas card x

I licked it speshully for you.

[Marc]

It'd be nice though if it were a little less easy for him to do it, right?

Well of course, I'm not saying it shouldn't be made harder :p I was saying if you're that messed up, you'll end up doing it anyway you possibly can.

[Jamie585]

Well of course, I'm not saying it shouldn't be made harder :p I was saying if you're that messed up, you'll end up doing it anyway you possibly can.

Yeah i guess :p

[Jamie585]

What are your thoughts on hunting? For or against?

[Stu]

If somebody was so adament on killing people, they would find a way of doing it, guns laws or no gun laws. The guy was messed up
Yeah and that sounds lovely but you know I'm still going to side with the idea that less guns means less people killing each other. Even if some people will still 'find a way'.

[MTVN]

Don't think it's simple as "ban guns" though, sure the pro-gun lobby are pretty dumb and the idea that arming more people would prevent stuff like this is ridiculous, but it's unrealistic to expect America to Europeanise its gun laws. Even if you think the second amendment is pretty dumb the right to bear arms is something that's enshrined in the USA's history and it is a big part of their culture, it's not all just NRA & Republican crackpots who oppose gun control. Plus I know it's an awful cliche but "guns don't kill people, people do" is true to some extent; you can try to get rid of guns but that will never rid people of the mental state that they're in to contemplate carrying out something like this.

[lily.]

ngl, I'd have at least one gun if I lived in the USA. There are too many guns in circulation now, and the only way to protect yourself and your family is to arm yourself too.

I'm glad I don't live there, but I do understand why people want guns for protection.

[Shaun]

Don't think it's simple as "ban guns" though, sure the pro-gun lobby are pretty dumb and the idea that arming more people would prevent stuff like this is ridiculous, but it's unrealistic to expect America to Europeanise its gun laws. Even if you think the second amendment is pretty dumb the right to bear arms is something that's enshrined in the USA's history and it is a big part of their culture, it's not all just NRA & Republican crackpots who oppose gun control. Plus I know it's an awful cliche but "guns don't kill people, people do" is true to some extent; you can try to get rid of guns but that will never rid people of the mental state that they're in to contemplate carrying out something like this.

Well obviously the main argument to come out of this is the need for the US health service to provide free mental health assessment and so on. The anti-gun folk aren't just lobbying to get guns banned and then just hope for the best and nobody feels murderous again.

I'm not sure of the relevance of American history either. That's a pretty weak claim - it's enshrined in our culture. Times change. If this part of history - where the 2nd amendment arose because of the need of the militia to defend oneself during civil war and foreign invasion, not 2012 suburbia - can be just tossed aside I think it's for the best.

[MTVN]

What I mean with American history & culture is that it'd be incredibly hard to push any gun control legislation through & it isn't just right wing fanatics opposing gun laws because they have a fetish for firearms. The gun ownership rate in the States is far higher than anywhere else in the world, among developed countries there are twice as many guns per hundred people than the country in second (Switzerland) and there's about 9 guns for every 10 Americans I believe. While the huge number of guns does mean more incidents like this it also does mean that the US has far more law abiding citizens with guns, and that guns play a much bigger part in American life and culture, than anywhere else in the world. Basically the US is unique for its gun culture, and it isn't something that can just be easily eradicated or tossed aside by a firearm ban

[BBfanUSA]

I've seen two great tributes over the last few days.

On The Voice US Final. The show opened with Hallelujah, there was no warning they would tribute the fallen. The four coaches (Blake Shelton, A Country star, Adam Levine, Lead Singer of Maroon 5, Christina Aguleria and Ceelo Green) were leads while some of the Season 3 artists and media presenter Christina Millian sang on the chorus with everyone on stage including host Carson Daly holding up the names of the victims. After the song was over, there was complete silence for a second and they went to the recap.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IO64urOFNaY&list=PLlYqpJ9JE-J8dzHN0jIVgi80uzSkXG6qZ&index=6

Also On Saturday Night Live (A Skit Show), The New York City Children's Choir sang "Silent Night" and ended with the refrain "Sleep in Heavenly Peace" during the famous cold opening that starts every episode. After they were done they said the famous words "Live From New York, It's Saturday Night!" signaling the start of the title sequence. Like the Voice there was no warning there would be a tribute. But it would be assumed that they would.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTbhVlHuONo

[Nedusa]

I've followed all the News stories on this dreadful incident, I've read most of the reports and articles and Blogs surrounding this case. And through all of the sadness and anger and denial and hate and presidential resolve to change things I still have one over riding thought running through my head... Why oh why would young man not long out of his teens himself think it acceptable to murder his mother and then go out and cold bloodily murder 20 young children that he had never met.

Anyone who is capable of such a depraved evil act must have showed some major signs beforehand. There simply must have been some personality indicators to suggest this young lad was not the full shilling. When you think of all the Teachers,Social Workers, healthcare professionals, friends, family etc.. surely someone spotted something untoward about this man that may have alerted others to his devastating murderous potential.

Because if a sane rational normal young man can just decide to carry out an act of this sort in cold blood then as a race we are doomed...!!!

Banning guns may be a short term solution but I think there are serious major issues here that are begging to be asked, what has gone wrong with our Youth of today that we end up (again) with this type of incident. I don't have the answers but I dam well know the questions HAVE TO BE ASKED...!!!!

[the truth]

I've followed all the News stories on this dreadful incident, I've read most of the reports and articles and Blogs surrounding this case. And through all of the sadness and anger and denial and hate and presidential resolve to change things I still have one over riding thought running through my head... Why oh why would young man not long out of his teens himself think it acceptable to murder his mother and then go out and cold bloodily murder 20 young children that he had never met.

Anyone who is capable of such a depraved evil act must have showed some major signs beforehand. There simply must have been some personality indicators to suggest this young lad was not the full shilling. When you think of all the Teachers,Social Workers, healthcare professionals, friends, family etc.. surely someone spotted something untoward about this man that may have alerted others to his devastating murderous potential.

Because if a sane rational normal young man can just decide to carry out an act of this sort in cold blood then as a race we are doomed...!!!

Banning guns may be a short term solution but I think there are serious major issues here that are begging to be asked, what has gone wrong with our Youth of today that we end up (again) with this type of incident. I don't have the answers but I dam well know the questions HAVE TO BE ASKED...!!!!

banning guns is the short AND long term solution
in a nation of 330 million youre bound to get a few 100,000 maniacs. so you attack it in a few ways
1) BAN GUNS. THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO CAN HAVE ACCESS TO GUNS ARE SOME COPS AND THE ARMY. IF FARMERS OR OTHERS WANT THEM THEY NEED TO PROVIDE MASSIVELY CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE THAT THEY MUST HAVE A GUN TO WARD OFF WILD ANIMALS....THEN APPLY THROUGH A MASSIVELY RIGOROUS PROCESS THAT TAKES A YEAR. CRIMINAL RECORDS CHECKS, PSYCHOLOGICAL BACKGROUND CHECKS EVERYTHING. EVEN THEN LIMIT IT TO 1 GUN PER FARMING HOUSEHOLD.

THIS WILL REQUIRE A MASSIVE RESPECTABLE IN DEPTH DEBATE ACROSS THE US. EXPOSING THE SHEER STUPIDITY OF HAVING MORE GUNS THAN PEOPLE AND THE INEVITABLE RESULT OF MORE CRAZY PEOPLE GETTING THEIR HANDS ON MORE GUNS AND THEREFORE MORE MASS EXECUTIONS

2) The war on drugs must come back tenfold. we are to blame here. we ignore ho wmind altering drugs are and how they effect behaviour radically. dealing with a violent unstable unpredictable possibly violent person is hard enough. throw in mind altering drugs and you have a bigger problem, throw in asault weapons and you have mass murder. drugs must be fought by the police who have failed in this as have politicians for decades. drug pushers are destroying society.

3) Invest way more in mental health issues. easier said than done. Im no social worker. But it seems that social workers have not been smart enough in targetting serious issues compared to nonsense issues like which political party you vote for. In the US clearly not enough is invested in mental health issues. surely obamas healthcare bill can encompass mental health issues far more comprehensively. in the past i was buried or ignored or unaffordable. now people can be treated, but trying diagnosing it first. schools will be at the forefront of this, with social services and local government.

4) cultural changes. 24 war channels, mindless violence in movies, in computer games, on tv screens. does it affect you? um yes. especially when youre young , a loner, impressionable and cut off from advice and peer pressure. movies used to be about story telling, now they show close ups of bullets entering the brain. is that entertainment or voyeurism? for me its mindless and boring.

5) war. the us since pearl harboud has invaded approx 60 countries, its built 1000 army bases worldwide and has more money spent on war than the rest of the world combined. what is a young american meant to learn from this carnage? as ted turner put it recently. we need to disband with war, lay it down on the ground and forget it. ultimately it always fails and creates bloodshed and more hate that lasts a lifetime and beyond. the fact humans created enough bombs to destroy the earth 1000 times tells you how stupid its become. nuclear missiles failed, they did not lead to any peace at all. in fact the production of them alone has lead to even more war. disarm them on a worldwide scale, just as we need to disarm at home.

6) political lies. the iraq invasion should imo have seen some politicians arrested. there were vast numbers of untruths told. a nation against the war, a million peaceful marchers ignored in london. is that democracy? whats to stop this from happenning again and again?

7) fathers. every family needs a good father. especially young men who otherwise learn their life lessons from men they see on tv or in movies. there are no male teachers in primary schools either. way more needs to be done to recognise this need and to rectify it.

8) inequality. the rich are richer than ever, the gap between rich and poor is bigger than ever. however we also live in a society where too many young people dont work. they become disheartened, alienated and detached from reality and humanity. this is especially true in young men, where suicide levels worldwide are higher than any time in human history. its a ticking time bomb , that will keep going off.

[Nedusa]

banning guns is the short AND long term solution
in a nation of 330 million youre bound to get a few 100,000 maniacs. so you attack it in a few ways
1) BAN GUNS. THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO CAN HAVE ACCESS TO GUNS ARE SOME COPS AND THE ARMY. IF FARMERS OR OTHERS WANT THEM THEY NEED TO PROVIDE MASSIVELY CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE THAT THEY MUST HAVE A GUN TO WARD OFF WILD ANIMALS....THEN APPLY THROUGH A MASSIVELY RIGOROUS PROCESS THAT TAKES A YEAR. CRIMINAL RECORDS CHECKS, PSYCHOLOGICAL BACKGROUND CHECKS EVERYTHING. EVEN THEN LIMIT IT TO 1 GUN PER FARMING HOUSEHOLD.

THIS WILL REQUIRE A MASSIVE RESPECTABLE IN DEPTH DEBATE ACROSS THE US. EXPOSING THE SHEER STUPIDITY OF HAVING MORE GUNS THAN PEOPLE AND THE INEVITABLE RESULT OF MORE CRAZY PEOPLE GETTING THEIR HANDS ON MORE GUNS AND THEREFORE MORE MASS EXECUTIONS

2) The war on drugs must come back tenfold. we are to blame here. we ignore ho wmind altering drugs are and how they effect behaviour radically. dealing with a violent unstable unpredictable possibly violent person is hard enough. throw in mind altering drugs and you have a bigger problem, throw in asault weapons and you have mass murder. drugs must be fought by the police who have failed in this as have politicians for decades. drug pushers are destroying society.

3) Invest way more in mental health issues. easier said than done. Im no social worker. But it seems that social workers have not been smart enough in targetting serious issues compared to nonsense issues like which political party you vote for. In the US clearly not enough is invested in mental health issues. surely obamas healthcare bill can encompass mental health issues far more comprehensively. in the past i was buried or ignored or unaffordable. now people can be treated, but trying diagnosing it first. schools will be at the forefront of this, with social services and local government.

4) cultural changes. 24 war channels, mindless violence in movies, in computer games, on tv screens. does it affect you? um yes. especially when youre young , a loner, impressionable and cut off from advice and peer pressure. movies used to be about story telling, now they show close ups of bullets entering the brain. is that entertainment or voyeurism? for me its mindless and boring.

5) war. the us since pearl harboud has invaded approx 60 countries, its built 1000 army bases worldwide and has more money spent on war than the rest of the world combined. what is a young american meant to learn from this carnage? as ted turner put it recently. we need to disband with war, lay it down on the ground and forget it. ultimately it always fails and creates bloodshed and more hate that lasts a lifetime and beyond. the fact humans created enough bombs to destroy the earth 1000 times tells you how stupid its become. nuclear missiles failed, they did not lead to any peace at all. in fact the production of them alone has lead to even more war. disarm them on a worldwide scale, just as we need to disarm at home.

6) political lies. the iraq invasion should imo have seen some politicians arrested. there were vast numbers of untruths told. a nation against the war, a million peaceful marchers ignored in london. is that democracy? whats to stop this from happenning again and again?

7) fathers. every family needs a good father. especially young men who otherwise learn their life lessons from men they see on tv or in movies. there are no male teachers in primary schools either. way more needs to be done to recognise this need and to rectify it.

8) inequality. the rich are richer than ever, the gap between rich and poor is bigger than ever. however we also live in a society where too many young people dont work. they become disheartened, alienated and detached from reality and humanity. this is especially true in young men, where suicide levels worldwide are higher than any time in human history. its a ticking time bomb , that will keep going off.

Excellent Post.... putting forward some of the questions that need to be asked and highlighting various issues/areas where the US has fallen down badly...!!!

[Jesus.]

1) BAN GUNS. THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO CAN HAVE ACCESS TO GUNS ARE SOME COPS AND THE ARMY. IF FARMERS OR OTHERS WANT THEM THEY NEED TO PROVIDE MASSIVELY CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE THAT THEY MUST HAVE A GUN TO WARD OFF WILD ANIMALS....THEN APPLY THROUGH A MASSIVELY RIGOROUS PROCESS THAT TAKES A YEAR. CRIMINAL RECORDS CHECKS, PSYCHOLOGICAL BACKGROUND CHECKS EVERYTHING. EVEN THEN LIMIT IT TO 1 GUN PER FARMING HOUSEHOLD.

THIS WILL REQUIRE A MASSIVE RESPECTABLE IN DEPTH DEBATE ACROSS THE US. EXPOSING THE SHEER STUPIDITY OF HAVING MORE GUNS THAN PEOPLE AND THE INEVITABLE RESULT OF MORE CRAZY PEOPLE GETTING THEIR HANDS ON MORE GUNS AND THEREFORE MORE MASS EXECUTIONS

This is next to impossible. It is ingrained in their constitution. They will never be able to ban guns. It just will never happen. I do agree with the sentiment though



2) The war on drugs must come back tenfold. we are to blame here. we ignore ho wmind altering drugs are and how they effect behaviour radically. dealing with a violent unstable unpredictable possibly violent person is hard enough. throw in mind altering drugs and you have a bigger problem, throw in asault weapons and you have mass murder. drugs must be fought by the police who have failed in this as have politicians for decades. drug pushers are destroying society.

Nonsense. All the war on drugs does is fill up the prison system, which in the US, is run as a money making scheme for private companies. Fighting drugs has been the biggest government failure, in any country they've gone down this path.



3) Invest way more in mental health issues. easier said than done. Im no social worker. But it seems that social workers have not been smart enough in targetting serious issues compared to nonsense issues like which political party you vote for. In the US clearly not enough is invested in mental health issues. surely obamas healthcare bill can encompass mental health issues far more comprehensively. in the past i was buried or ignored or unaffordable. now people can be treated, but trying diagnosing it first. schools will be at the forefront of this, with social services and local government.

I completely agree. Unfortunately, the republicans in the US are currently trying to dismantle any services like this, under the guise of deficit reduction.





4) cultural changes. 24 war channels, mindless violence in movies, in computer games, on tv screens. does it affect you? um yes. especially when youre young , a loner, impressionable and cut off from advice and peer pressure. movies used to be about story telling, now they show close ups of bullets entering the brain. is that entertainment or voyeurism? for me its mindless and boring.

I think that's way too simplistic. Movies and video games have have been blamed a lot for issues like this, but it just doesn't really add up. I don't watch many "action" movies as they're not really my thing, but I don't think limiting peoples access to different kinds of art is the way forward.



5) war. the us since pearl harboud has invaded approx 60 countries, its built 1000 army bases worldwide and has more money spent on war than the rest of the world combined. what is a young american meant to learn from this carnage? as ted turner put it recently. we need to disband with war, lay it down on the ground and forget it. ultimately it always fails and creates bloodshed and more hate that lasts a lifetime and beyond. the fact humans created enough bombs to destroy the earth 1000 times tells you how stupid its become. nuclear missiles failed, they did not lead to any peace at all. in fact the production of them alone has lead to even more war. disarm them on a worldwide scale, just as we need to disarm at home.[/QUOTE]


Not much to disagree with there, but too many people make mone from war in the US, for it to be taken off the table.

I would like a rule, that anyone who votes to take the country in the war, automatically has their children (if they are the correct age) drafted up to the army. I know it's a bit unfair, but if you believe war to me the just and right course of action, then you should be prepared to sacrifice, too.




6) political lies. the iraq invasion should imo have seen some politicians arrested. there were vast numbers of untruths told. a nation against the war, a million peaceful marchers ignored in london. is that democracy? whats to stop this from happenning again and again?

If you can prevent politicians from lying, you're a better man than me.



7) fathers. every family needs a good father. especially young men who otherwise learn their life lessons from men they see on tv or in movies. there are no male teachers in primary schools either. way more needs to be done to recognise this need and to rectify it.

Too simplistic. I agree about male primary teachers, but how do you force men into that profession, and how do you people to stay together as perfect nuclear families.



8) inequality. the rich are richer than ever, the gap between rich and poor is bigger than ever. however we also live in a society where too many young people dont work. they become disheartened, alienated and detached from reality and humanity. this is especially true in young men, where suicide levels worldwide are higher than any time in human history. its a ticking time bomb , that will keep going off.

Inequality is a huge problem, but you can't even begin to redress this when all of the major political parties are either right wing or centre?

[arista]

I've followed all the News stories on this dreadful incident, I've read most of the reports and articles and Blogs surrounding this case. And through all of the sadness and anger and denial and hate and presidential resolve to change things I still have one over riding thought running through my head... Why oh why would young man not long out of his teens himself think it acceptable to murder his mother and then go out and cold bloodily murder 20 young children that he had never met.

Anyone who is capable of such a depraved evil act must have showed some major signs beforehand. There simply must have been some personality indicators to suggest this young lad was not the full shilling. When you think of all the Teachers,Social Workers, healthcare professionals, friends, family etc.. surely someone spotted something untoward about this man that may have alerted others to his devastating murderous potential.

Because if a sane rational normal young man can just decide to carry out an act of this sort in cold blood then as a race we are doomed...!!!

Banning guns may be a short term solution but I think there are serious major issues here that are begging to be asked, what has gone wrong with our Youth of today that we end up (again) with this type of incident. I don't have the answers but I dam well know the questions HAVE TO BE ASKED...!!!!



The Secret to that was in his 2 Hard drives
which he Destroyed

He did not have normal feelings
due to his Autism
and Sadly his Mothers only way to bond with him
was to take him to the Shooting range.

[Sticks]

The Secret to that was in his 2 Hard drives
which he Destroyed

He did not have normal feelings
due to his Autism
and Sadly his Mothers only way to bond with him
was to take him to the Shooting range.

arista are you accusing everyone on the autistic spectrum of being sociopahs and psychopaths

That is how what you type comes across to me

[Marsh.]

Yes, your use of the word "normal" is quite offensive.

[arista]

arista are you accusing everyone on the autistic spectrum of being sociopahs and psychopaths

That is how what you type comes across to me



No I am Not

Everyone is not the same
Add him the Loner with his Mother and Guns
you end up with a tragic End.

[Kizzy]

With the greatest of respect arista, those who find it
hard to communicate are not all predestined to kill children.

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2012/12/17/210272/default/v1/mirror-1-329x437.jpg

Well Done this Teacher saved Kids
on that sad day.

[the truth]

This is next to impossible. It is ingrained in their constitution. They will never be able to ban guns. It just will never happen. I do agree with the sentiment though



Nonsense. All the war on drugs does is fill up the prison system, which in the US, is run as a money making scheme for private companies. Fighting drugs has been the biggest government failure, in any country they've gone down this path.



I completely agree. Unfortunately, the republicans in the US are currently trying to dismantle any services like this, under the guise of deficit reduction.



I think that's way too simplistic. Movies and video games have have been blamed a lot for issues like this, but it just doesn't really add up. I don't watch many "action" movies as they're not really my thing, but I don't think limiting peoples access to different kinds of art is the way forward.




Not much to disagree with there, but too many people make mone from war in the US, for it to be taken off the table.

I would like a rule, that anyone who votes to take the country in the war, automatically has their children (if they are the correct age) drafted up to the army. I know it's a bit unfair, but if you believe war to me the just and right course of action, then you should be prepared to sacrifice, too.




If you can prevent politicians from lying, you're a better man than me.



Too simplistic. I agree about male primary teachers, but how do you force men into that profession, and how do you people to stay together as perfect nuclear families.

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Inequality is a huge problem, but you can't even begin to redress this when all of the major political parties are either right wing or centre?[/QUOTE]


drugs affect everyone differently. however the law abiding public should not have to be around hard core drug takers and pushers, whose behaviour becomes ever more erratic. you can attempt to rehabilitate people. but drug pushers need to be locked away for a very very long time.

[Jesus.]

Not much to disagree with there, but too many people make mone from war in the US, for it to be taken off the table.

I would like a rule, that anyone who votes to take the country in the war, automatically has their children (if they are the correct age) drafted up to the army. I know it's a bit unfair, but if you believe war to me the just and right course of action, then you should be prepared to sacrifice, too.




If you can prevent politicians from lying, you're a better man than me.



Too simplistic. I agree about male primary teachers, but how do you force men into that profession, and how do you people to stay together as perfect nuclear families.

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Inequality is a huge problem, but you can't even begin to redress this when all of the major political parties are either right wing or centre?


drugs affect everyone differently. however the law abiding public should not have to be around hard core drug takers and pushers, whose behaviour becomes ever more erratic. you can attempt to rehabilitate people. but drug pushers need to be locked away for a very very long time.[/QUOTE]

The drug laws in the US are so strict, that just from being caught in possession of a relatively small amount of weed can mean a really long imprisonment, and when you combine it with some states that have a "3 strikes and you're out" law (meaning automatic life sentence for 3 crimes), then the problems of the war on drugs really hits home.

[Jesus.]

I tell you what that community, and especially those children really need right about now. Every ****ing news channel from across the world to **** off and leave them alone to grieve and come to terms with what has happened.

[Livia]

I tell you what that community, and especially those children really need right about now. Every ****ing news channel from across the world to **** off and leave them alone to grieve and come to terms with what has happened.

Yes... that's very true.

[Kizzy]

No, they want to feel safe and know that won't be happening again.
Gun obsessives....wot they like?... :joker: