India Rape Protests a Barbaric Nation

[arista]

http://news.sky.com/story/1029215/india-rape-protests-reporter-shot-dead


Young India Girls raped so much
India what a Barbaric Nation.

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"Outrage over Indian police chief suggestion that women should carry chilli powder and not go out at night to avoid rape"

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2251586/Outrage-Indian-police-chief-suggestion-women-carry-chilli-powder-night-avoid-rape.html#ixzz2Fu0egeAy

[Me. I Am Salman]

Rape happens all around the world you dick

[Jesus.]

I don't know the details of this story, but I'd guess it's probably something to do with the caste system. I bet it leaves a lot of men unable to find a woman because of this, so the frustration builds up.

[arista]

Gang-Rape In India: Teen Victim Kills Herself

http://news.sky.com/story/1030759/gang-rape-in-india-teen-victim-kills-herself

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[Marcus.]

Gang-Rape In India: Teen Victim Kills Herself

http://news.sky.com/story/1030759/gang-rape-in-india-teen-victim-kills-herself

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rip girl

[Shaun]

Barbaric nation? Rape happens everywhere, dear.

[Kizzy]

Yes shaun we know this, however the autorities are guilty of barbaric response to the rape of women. The death of a police officer following protests shows that the public may wish laws to change to protect women.

[Marcus.]

Yes shaun we know this, however the autorities are guilty of barbaric response to the rape of women. The death of a police officer following protests shows that the public may wish laws to change to protect women.

this

[arista]

Barbaric nation? Rape happens everywhere, dear.


sure but in India its to much.
And One Girl just killed herself

[Mystic Mock]

Yes shaun we know this, however the autorities are guilty of barbaric response to the rape of women. The death of a police officer following protests shows that the public may wish laws to change to protect women.

I agree.

[Kazanne]

Yes shaun we know this, however the autorities are guilty of barbaric response to the rape of women. The death of a police officer following protests shows that the public may wish laws to change to protect women.

very true Kizzy

[MTVN]

Those attitudes are hardly unique to "barbaric" countries though, there's been controversy here after leading figures have said women shouldn't dress so skimpily if they didn't want to be raped, remember the slutwalk protests?

I'm sure there might be a problem with the attitudes to women among some figures if authority in India, but that doesn't mean we should take this orientalist view of India as a "barbaric" and savage nation as opposed to us civilised westerners for whom things like this aren't a problem

[Shaun]

Corruption in the criminal system and cover-ups when it comes to rape? Yeah there's been nothing like that exposed this year in the UK.

[Mystic Mock]

Those attitudes are hardly unique to "barbaric" countries though, there's been controversy here after leading figures have said women shouldn't dress so skimpily if they didn't want to be raped, remember the slutwalk protests?

I'm sure there might be a problem with the attitudes to women among some figures if authority in India, but that doesn't mean we should take this orientalist view of India as a "barbaric" and savage nation as opposed to us civilised westerners for whom things like this aren't a problem

I always find it shocking when people say that, after all women can do whatever they want, and rapists like to use it as an excuse so they get people calling the woman a *****, it's disgraceful.

And I agree that we're no better than India for rape, in fact I think it's more dangerous for a woman in the UK when it's night time as the freaks come out, but the Indian Governments need to take rape more seriously.

[Livia]

You cannot equate stuff that happens in the UK to stuff that happens in India. Anyone who's ever spent any time in India will tell you that. Firstly there's the caste system, which makes the good old British class system look like a workers' collective. The there's the fact that in the poorest, less developed parts of India women are very much second class citizens and the property of men.

The woman in the first story was gang raped on a bus then had an iron bar pushed so far up inside her that it caused massive internal injuries so severe she has been reported as "fighting for her life". In this country there would have been a bloody outcry. In India, Police are still trying to get rape victims to drop charges.

[Kizzy]

Those attitudes are hardly unique to "barbaric" countries though, there's been controversy here after leading figures have said women shouldn't dress so skimpily if they didn't want to be raped, remember the slutwalk protests?

I'm sure there might be a problem with the attitudes to women among some figures if authority in India, but that doesn't mean we should take this orientalist view of India as a "barbaric" and savage nation as opposed to us civilised westerners for whom things like this aren't a problem

There was an outcry over the comments of an individual yes, it was not a general consensus of the establishment.
slutwalk went far and wide, which is why we now see the violence erupting over the attitudes towards sexual violence.
For the citizens of a developing country it is entirely understandable they would rally against these barbaric responses.
Mine is not a western view but a humanist one.

[arista]

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[MTVN]

You cannot equate stuff that happens in the UK to stuff that happens in India. Anyone who's ever spent any time in India will tell you that. Firstly there's the caste system, which makes the good old British class system look like a workers' collective. The there's the fact that in the poorest, less developed parts of India women are very much second class citizens and the property of men.

The woman in the first story was gang raped on a bus then had an iron bar pushed so far up inside her that it caused massive internal injuries so severe she has been reported as "fighting for her life". In this country there would have been a bloody outcry. In India, Police are still trying to get rape victims to drop charges.

Don't violent protests which have led to one police officer dead not amount to an outcry?

[Livia]

Don't violent protests which have led to one police officer dead not amount to an outcry?

Yes... it does. And despite that, as I said earlier, still the Indian police are trying to convince rape victims to drop the charges.

[Nedusa]

This story stinks , I don't care if this offence happened in India , Rape is rape is rape . Because it happened in a poor underdeveloped country with a strange caste system doesn't make it any less of a crime.

And the Indian Policemen who are dragging their feet on this case should all be charged with perverting the course of justice and jailed accordingly. I'm sick of reading about stories where crimes are committed but the country is underdeveloped and the crime is not treated with the severity it deserves.

[Me. I Am Salman]

It's just been announced that the Indian woman who was gang-raped on a bus has died :(

[Marcus.]

It's just been announced that the Indian woman who was gang-raped on a bus has died :(

rip to her

[Nedusa]

This story just gets worse apparently the woman was coming home on a bus with a friend when she was attacked by up to 6 strangers and gang raped and viciously assaulted with iron bars being used in her genitals. The Indian Govt were so shocked by the national outrage that followed , they flew the woman out of the country to Singapore . The woman's injurious were too severe and she died yesterday.

This type of unprovoked rape is actually quite common in India and is condoned to a degree by the Indian authorities . This sickening episode will hopefully result in a change in the public conscience to stamp out this type of behaviour . And not before time...!!!

[arista]

This story just gets worse apparently the woman was coming home on a bus with a friend when she was attacked by up to 6 strangers and gang raped and viciously assaulted with iron bars being used in her genitals. The Indian Govt were so shocked by the national outrage that followed , they flew the woman out of the country to Singapore . The woman's injurious were too severe and she died yesterday.

This type of unprovoked rape is actually quite common in India and is condoned to a degree by the Indian authorities . This sickening episode will hopefully result in a change in the public conscience to stamp out this type of behaviour . And not before time...!!!

Yes a Barbaric Nation

[SharkAttack]

This story just gets worse apparently the woman was coming home on a bus with a friend when she was attacked by up to 6 strangers and gang raped and viciously assaulted with iron bars being used in her genitals. The Indian Govt were so shocked by the national outrage that followed , they flew the woman out of the country to Singapore . The woman's injurious were too severe and she died yesterday.

This type of unprovoked rape is actually quite common in India and is condoned to a degree by the Indian authorities . This sickening episode will hopefully result in a change in the public conscience to stamp out this type of behaviour . And not before time...!!!

Agreed. And the posters Arista has shown, with the English dialogue, as most foreign nations tend to do when they no longer respect their current government (or getting a message through to the English speaking democracies of the world...) Really, it's almost impossible to read a news article and not be physically ill. Been feeling way too ill these days. http://i395.photobucket.com/albums/pp32/sharkattack_torrential/angry.gif

[Jesus.]

According to statistics, 400,000 women each year are sexually assaulted in the UK.

We are a barbaric nation too.

[AnnieK]

According to statistics, 400,000 women each year are sexually assaulted in the UK.

We are a barbaric nation too.

There are barbaric people in all nations. This was a horrific crime BUT similar things happen here too.

[Kazanne]

Seems she was with her boyfriend who was also stripped and thrown off the bus,and that poor girl must have suffered terribly,may she RIP
http://news.uk.msn.com/world/bus-rape-accused-face-murder-charge

[Kizzy]

Let's put this in perspective, it takes a certain type of person to commit rape.. let alone a serious sexual assault that I find it difficult to contemplate any human would inflict on another.
There were 6 men willing to subject a young stranger innocently travelling on the same bus to that...
So no, I don't think that we can just say abuse against women is worldwide.
Shark attack made an excellent point, the protesters may have been appealing to the western world with the use of placards in English.
Let's hope the deaths of these women serve as a catalyst for social and legal reform in India.

[arista]

According to statistics, 400,000 women each year are sexually assaulted in the UK.

We are a barbaric nation too.

No we ain't as we Jail them.


India has corruption in the Police
so many get away with their Evil rapes

[Kazanne]

No we ain't as we Jail them.


India has corruption in the Police
so many get away with their Evil rapes

I agree Arista and although we all know it goes on all over,we at least know(or hope) that if that had happened in this country that the scum would have been given a hefty sentence,I do think we are too soft here,but I'de like to think unlike the Indian police our 'men' would have been outraged.

[Jesus.]

No we ain't as we Jail them.


India has corruption in the Police
so many get away with their Evil rapes

So the difference between barbarism and an enlightened society, is not the amount and level of violent crime against women, but whether or not the police are corrupt?

Have you been paying attention to this phone hacking scandal? Our police are corrupt too, just in different ways.

I wish I could find a path through to your common sense.

[MTVN]

No we ain't as we Jail them.


India has corruption in the Police
so many get away with their Evil rapes

Do we? Even in this country very few rape cases end in a conviction

[arista]

Do we? Even in this country very few rape cases end in a conviction

its better than India

[AnnieK]

I have been through a rape court case with a family member....she was warned all the way through that it was highly likely to NOT end in conviction even though when I arrived at her house the night in question she was bruised and bloodied and there was lots of physical evidence it wouldn't matter. The CPS don't allow many cases to get to court and the ones that do have high non conviction rates. The person was found not guilty due to irregularities in the attending police officers notes....it was a disgrace. I saw a once vibrant girl reduced to a mere shadow of her former self, pushed to drinking and depression because of the justice system in THIS country. I feel terribly for the girl in this story but KNOW there are some sick sexual predators in this country too.

[Jesus.]

its better than India

That's not how you measure the humanity of our own society.

[Kizzy]

So the difference between barbarism and an enlightened society, is not the amount and level of violent crime against women, but whether or not the police are corrupt?

Have you been paying attention to this phone hacking scandal? Our police are corrupt too, just in different ways.

I wish I could find a path through to your common sense.

I can't speak for arista but yes, I would suggest that it is not the amount or level of violent crime that separates barbarism and a civilized society, but the laws and repercussions for those who commit these acts that those who make the laws have deemed indictable offences.
Indians want an ordered society, expecting women to marry their attackers to retain their honour is not the way to accomplish this.

I too have been involved in rape trials both as a witness and a jury member, the victim in both cases was treated sensitively and respectfully.
The women of India deserve that too.

[Kazanne]

This is not just a 'rape' case it is now murder,the girl probably would have survived had they not inserted the iron bar and ripped her insides,and beat her,I think this is what makes this case so horrible,it IS barbaric and should not be tolerated anywhere and I am sure it would not have been here.

[arista]

6 Evil Men
a Barbaric Nation

[Six accused of murder as victim of horrific Indian gang rape
dies 'peacefully' in Singapore hospital after
suffering heart-attack and organ failure]

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2254504/Indian-gang-rape-victim-dies-Singapore-hospital.html#ixzz2GSeOGVQT

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[Marcus.]

6 Evil Men
a Barbaric Nation

[Six accused of murder as victim of horrific Indian gang rape
dies 'peacefully' in Singapore hospital after
suffering heart-attack and organ failure]

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2254504/Indian-gang-rape-victim-dies-Singapore-hospital.html#ixzz2GSeOGVQT

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the need to have what coming to them

[bbfan1991]

Heartbreaking story. RIP to that poor woman and I cannot imagine what trauma she must have gone through after being gang raped:(.

I hope the vile culprits recieve a long prison sentence.

[Cherie]

If we are comparing barbaric deeds, Does anyone recall the case about the girl who was short 10p for her fare home on the night bus who having been turned away by the driver was then raped as she walked home?

[Kazanne]

If we are comparing barbaric deeds, Does anyone recall the case about the girl who was short 10p for her fare home on the night bus who having been turned away by the driver was then raped as she walked home?

That is also awful,did the girl die?I havent heard of this.

[Marcus.]

That is also awful,did the girl die?I havent heard of this.

kaz yes she did

[Cherie]

That is also awful,did the girl die?I havent heard of this.

Here's a link Kaz, and no she wasn't killed thankfully.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9320185/Driver-who-threw-student-off-bus-before-she-was-raped-ignored-company-policy.html

[arista]

That's not how you measure the humanity of our own society.



Watch the News
its the main Story
Raped by 6 men then a Metal bar rammed up her
then chucked off the bus naked.
She died in hospital.


That is Nothing like the UK.



India is a Barbaric Nation
Utter Fact

[Marcus.]

Watch the News
its the main Story
Raped by 6 men then a Metal bar rammed up her
then chucked off the bus naked.
She died in hospital.


That is Nothing like the UK.



India is a Barbaric Nation
Utter Fact

yeah it sounds like that

[AnnieK]

Watch the News
its the main Story
Raped by 6 men then a Metal bar rammed up her
then chucked off the bus naked.
She died in hospital.


That is Nothing like the UK.



India is a Barbaric Nation
Utter Fact



I feel terrible arguing with you on this point as it was a horrific case but it is not alone....there was a story here a couple of years ago where a girl was gang raped in her own home whilst her boyfriend was tortured in the next room...that was in Clapham....these cases happen everywhere in the world which is very sad, not just in India and countries like that.

As they have made arrests in this case I hope justice is served quickly....

[Jesus.]

I can't speak for arista but yes, I would suggest that it is not the amount or level of violent crime that separates barbarism and a civilized society, but the laws and repercussions for those who commit these acts that those who make the laws have deemed indictable offences.
Indians want an ordered society, expecting women to marry their attackers to retain their honour is not the way to accomplish this.

I too have been involved in rape trials both as a witness and a jury member, the victim in both cases was treated sensitively and respectfully.
The women of India deserve that too.

Then we'll have to agree to disagree. It seems as thought this case could finally be the straw that breaks the camels back. I don't think India is anymore of a barbaric country than most, but different countries have to reach their own enlightenment, and that change has to come from within.

We have to allow countries to get there own their own, and it seems as though recently, people are starting to speak out. You know me, and my views on everyone in society having a say, and being a voice, but the conditions that lead to men to commit crimes like this needs to be addressed, and the ancient caste system consigned to the history books.

The fact we put these people behind bars, doesn't separate us from India in my book. Humans are humans. If you are going to gang rape someone, and then further attack them, a 20 year prison sentence isn't going to dissuade them from doing it.

[Livia]

I think the main difference between the way rape is dealt with in this country and the way it is dealt with in India is the place of women in society here against the place of women in society there. Especially women from the poorest sections of society, or lower castes.

[Kizzy]

Then we'll have to agree to disagree. It seems as thought this case could finally be the straw that breaks the camels back. I don't think India is anymore of a barbaric country than most, but different countries have to reach their own enlightenment, and that change has to come from within.

We have to allow countries to get there own their own, and it seems as though recently, people are starting to speak out. You know me, and my views on everyone in society having a say, and being a voice, but the conditions that lead to men to commit crimes like this needs to be addressed, and the ancient caste system consigned to the history books.

The fact we put these people behind bars, doesn't separate us from India in my book. Humans are humans. If you are going to gang rape someone, and then further attack them, a 20 year prison sentence isn't going to dissuade them from doing it.

Well yes, change has to come from within and it seems for many it has and yet there are those who cling to the old ways...
Look at Britain 150ish years ago and the laissez-faire attitudes of the upper echelons of society, how caring were they of the slum dwellers who lived in squalor?
If India want an ordered society they HAVE to address societal issues that are hindering their progress.
Yes, there are always going to be those who have the urges to commit crimes against women, however if there are for these women laws and the support of law enforcement then it can only help to change perceptions of those who would commit these acts?

[Nedusa]

I think the diff between the two countries is highlighted by the attitudes of the populations of these countries. In Britain this crime is universally condemned by everybody from the man on the street to the queen herself. All depts within the British establishment would be actively seeking to find the perpetrators of this disgusting act and they would all be given very long life terms.

However in India we read the crime has not been properly investigated and that the local police force are dragging their feet , almost unconcerned. We also read that there is in place a strange caste system that condones certain actions of higher caste people carried out on lower caste people. We find in general attitudes to women by large numbers of Indian males is highly misogynistic.

These are the diffs between the two nations and clearly India needs to step forward a few hundred years and wake up to the fact that these views are not acceptable in a modern society.

[Mystic Mock]

I have been through a rape court case with a family member....she was warned all the way through that it was highly likely to NOT end in conviction even though when I arrived at her house the night in question she was bruised and bloodied and there was lots of physical evidence it wouldn't matter. The CPS don't allow many cases to get to court and the ones that do have high non conviction rates. The person was found not guilty due to irregularities in the attending police officers notes....it was a disgrace. I saw a once vibrant girl reduced to a mere shadow of her former self, pushed to drinking and depression because of the justice system in THIS country. I feel terribly for the girl in this story but KNOW there are some sick sexual predators in this country too.

I'm sorry to hear that Anniek, this country is a disgrace though and especially after the evidence you've just showed us that your friend was raped.

[brian3]

phrases like Barbaric Nation is what was used to justify going to other countricountries and doing bad things to the proplr there (including rape). If you use words like that, things will never change

[Omah]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-21003279

Police in India have arrested six men after they allegedly gang-raped a woman on a bus, just weeks after a similar attack shocked the nation.

The latest assault is said to have taken place in the northern state of Punjab. The police are searching for a seventh suspected attacker.

Last month, a 23-year-old student died of her injuries after the being raped in the capital Delhi.

Five men have been charged with her murder and are facing trial.

If convicted, they face the death penalty.

A sixth suspect, who is thought to be 17, will be tried separately in a youth court if it is confirmed he is a minor.

The Delhi attack prompted mass protests which prompted the government to set up special fast-track courts to exclusively deal with rape cases and also consider strengthening sexual assault laws, the BBC's Sanjoy Majumder reports.

Night attack

Police officials say that the latest victim was a 29-year-old woman.

She is believed to have been travelling on a bus back to her village on Friday night.

The driver and conductor allegedly refused to stop at her village, instead taking her to a desolate location not far from the city of Amritsar.

The two men are then believed to have been joined by five others and taken turns raping the woman throughout the night.

The victim was then dropped off near her village, where she was able to tell her relatives about the attack.

The extent of the woman's injuries were not immediately known.

Hanging's too good for them - bring back impalement ..... :mad:

[Ammi]

..I read this story this morning...horrific..

..well, they are talking about the death sentence for the other ones and it could be the same with these...that's their decision...I don't wish to know or take any pleasure out of how they do it though..whatever they have done, I find the torture or killing of another human being barbaric...

[Shasown]

I think the diff between the two countries is highlighted by the attitudes of the populations of these countries. In Britain this crime is universally condemned by everybody from the man on the street to the queen herself. All depts within the British establishment would be actively seeking to find the perpetrators of this disgusting act and they would all be given very long life terms.

However in India we read the crime has not been properly investigated and that the local police force are dragging their feet , almost unconcerned. We also read that there is in place a strange caste system that condones certain actions of higher caste people carried out on lower caste people. We find in general attitudes to women by large numbers of Indian males is highly misogynistic.

These are the diffs between the two nations and clearly India needs to step forward a few hundred years and wake up to the fact that these views are not acceptable in a modern society.

Interesting idea, however for any society to evolve it takes time. It wasnt so long ago that laws were introduced in this country to ensure women's rights, equal rights given to people with disabilities, people from different ethnic origins, etc.

It will take time, however the publicity and the outrage created by these incidents will put pressure to change laws and thinking.