Who would you vote for in the next general election?

[Redway]

Bit of a random thread LOL but yeah...Labour, Conservative, Lib. Dems or what?

[Marcus.]

Labour

[Brother Leon]

Woudn't vote. Voted Lib Dems last time and look how that turned out.

[Kazanne]

Conservative ,it was always labour ,but what a let down they were.

[Niall]

The Greens. They're policies are a near perfect match for all my political views. The only thing I don't like about them is their slight eurosceptic attitude.

[Shaun]

Wouldn't vote Lib Dem because they have no backbone, which is unfortunate because they're the party with the policies closest to those I endorse. I voted Conservative last time around and have regretted it ever since. Labour have an absolutely pathetic leader and I cannot live with the idea of him as PM, and can't really see any changes to their party that stank in 2010. UKIP are borderline psychopaths with tunnel vision.

I'd vote Green.

[Me. I Am Salman]

The Greens although with this current electoral system it'd feel like a wasted vote so I'd probably vote for Labour since it's the lesser of two evils.

[Maia]

Conservatives

[joeysteele]

At present if there was an election tomorrow, I could be persuaded to vote Labour.
I voted Lib Dem last time and after such a massive betrayal of trust from them,I will likely not vote for them again.

I couldn't bring myself to vote Conservative last time because I felt they could not be trusted with the NHS, I have seen nothing from their actions to change my mind up to now.

UKIP I couldn't vote for nor the Greens so I am really, next time, unless I stood myself somewhere,left only with Labour as a choice.
Much easier if I lived in Scotland,I could easily support the SNP there.

[Cherie]

Very difficult, I thought the Lib Dems were the answer to my dilemma at the last election, I hate not voting, but unless Labour have a change of leadership I can't see myself voting, maybe if there is a decent independant standing that would be the way to go.

[Redway]

At present if there was an election tomorrow, I could be persuaded to vote Labour.
I voted Lib Dem last time and after such a massive betrayal of trust from them,I will likely not vote for them again.

I couldn't bring myself to vote Conservative last time because I felt they could not be trusted with the NHS, I have seen nothing from their actions to change my mind up to now.

UKIP I couldn't vote for nor the Greens so I am really, next time, unless I stood myself somewhere,left only with Labour as a choice.
Much easier if I lived in Scotland,I could easily support the SNP there.

Yeah, I know what you mean about Lib. Dem's and I agree with what you're saying but they're the only party with particularly good policies...if not that, I'd probably just vote Conservative.

[joeysteele]

Yeah, I know what you mean about Lib. Dem's and I agree with what you're saying but they're the only party with particularly good policies...if not that, I'd probably just vote Conservative.

The sad thing is they threw all the good policies right out the window, promises and pledges too just to have some Ministerial positions and a period in Govt.

Sadly, their actions have spoken louder than their promises and policies,also they had far more power in this Parliament than many believe.
The Conservatives could never had got all the heartless welfare reforms or NHS upheaval through without the Lib Dem votes.
For me now, I find I simply cannot believe anything the Lib Dems say because they have lost completely my trust.
So for me no matter what policies they present at the next election, I for one could never be sure they wouldn't throw them all out again.

I am a Conservative at heart but I hoped to see that David Cameron had rid the party of the more nasty elements,sadly they are alive and well and flourishing so I would not trust them on the NHS at all or as to more reforms mainly against the weakest,poorest and most vulnerable.

I would though hate not to use my vote, my main aim would be to ensure that the Lib Dems don't win where I vote, if that means voting Labour then so be it, however I think with a lot of voters next time round,if I do that, it will be votes not really heartfelt for Labour but votes agaisnt this Coalition Govt whick will in any effect have failed to make any of its targets in the main by 2015 and the only way to see them go would be vote for the only opposition party there is currently, namely Labour.

I really do believe, a great many voters will vote Labour,not because they like Labour but only to get rid of this Coalition.
For the Lib Dems though many angry voters,I for one, am longing for the chance to get the vote I trusted to them,given back to me and I will use it solidly against them next time.
I really hope though we are both still on here then and that you and I get to exchange our opinions again at length then Redway.
I will enjoy that immensely.

[sooty]

It is pity I can't vote as I am not British.

But if I could, I will vote Conservative as I am a staunch Monarchist.

[Kizzy]

What is the prob with Milliband?
I don't get what it is people have against the poor guy haha.

[Jamie585]

I know nothing about politics whatsoever! So Don't really care :laugh:

[reece(:]

Labour, to be realistic it's only going to be labour/libs/conservatives. Conservatives are all for the upper class and the libs are shaky.

[Nedusa]

Having a vote is really a waste of time as we have nothing to vote for. We have no real choice from our Political parties most of them offer the same centre ground tripe. In fact it's one of the reasons the younger generations are totally disillusioned with politics as they can see that there are no real choices and that real power is indeed in the hands of a small political elite. This is probably why voting numbers are at an all time low.

People are not represented their views are not represented , they are merely given the illusion their vote will make a difference , it won't , fact is democracy is a carefully woven veil of lies meant to keep millions of people under control happy in the fact that they can always vote for a different party and a different leader with a different set of policies.

Well it's nonsense we have no power whatsoever merely the illusion of power so we can all continue our daily toil happy in the knowledge that better days are in our future ( and always will be..!!!)

[Kazanne]

Some people will vote for Labour as they are spitting their dummies out as the big bad Conservatives have taken some of their easy pickings away and are making some people work,which is really unpopular with the idle amongst us,there is an old saying "you have to be cruel to be kind" and imo,I'de rather take some of the tough stuff and come good in the end hopefully!!! I just cant see me voting Labour again if they keep getting us into debt.

[Niall]

Having a vote is really a waste of time as we have nothing to vote for. We have no real choice from our Political parties most of them offer the same centre ground tripe. In fact it's one of the reasons the younger generations are totally disillusioned with politics as they can see that there are no real choices and that real power is indeed in the hands of a small political elite. This is probably why voting numbers are at an all time low.

People are not represented their views are not represented , they are merely given the illusion their vote will make a difference , it won't , fact is democracy is a carefully woven veil of lies meant to keep millions of people under control happy in the fact that they can always vote for a different party and a different leader with a different set of policies.

Well it's nonsense we have no power whatsoever merely the illusion of power so we can all continue our daily toil happy in the knowledge that better days are in our future ( and always will be..!!!)

Even if such a thing were true of democracy, it's the best system we've got. There isn't a better alternative.

[Jesus.]

Some people will vote for Labour as they are spitting their dummies out as the big bad Conservatives have taken some of their easy pickings away and are making some people work,which is really unpopular with the idle amongst us,there is an old saying "you have to be cruel to be kind" and imo,I'de rather take some of the tough stuff and come good in the end hopefully!!! I just cant see me voting Labour again if they keep getting us into debt.

So much wrong, in so little space. The conservatives aren't being cruel to be kind, they're being the ideologues they always are in power.

When the economy is struggling, do you know which group of people spend every penny they get on food, clothes, heating, local businesses? That's right, the poor. When you take money from them, you take money from all of the shops that rely on their custom to make ends meat themselves. In recession, the wealthiest people become more prudent and save more (because they can).

You can't build anything from the top, down, yet conservatives believe that less burden on the top means everything trickles down, but this thinking is so out dated, and so demonstrably wrong that it's laughable. Labour are not responsible for the world economy going to ****. Labour were, however, responsible for not paying down our debt when times were good, but we were taken into wars illegally, that had to be paid for.

You build the economy bottom up, people at the bottom have to have money in order to create the next level - the middle class. The wealthiest in society are either not paying their fair share, or have been able to find legal methods of accounting to avoid paying anything. How many £50-100/wk do you need to take from people to make up for the 10's of millions in corporate tax that isn't being paid?

The poor are unable to contribute money to campaigns, and offer non-executive directorships of 6 figure salaries to turn up at a board meeting once a year, so they are demonised by everyone. It's sickening.

What is the logical conclusion of pushing families further into poverty? How does that benefit anyone on this island? Lets create ghetto's and poorhouses all over again, where single parent families have to fight it out hunger games style for an interview for a £14k/yr job.

There isn't a party that represents my political beliefs, as there is no left in this country. Yet most people, when the questions are phrased correctly to them, have far more in common with socialism than conservatism, but the conservatives have a better messaging machine.

I'd like to see a tabloid go after rich tax avoiders day after day, the way they do with single mothers. I grew up in a healthy, loving, 2 parent family. And I hope to provide that for my future children, some day. I feel more responsibility towards those that don't have what I had, not less. If we can't treat the least amongst us with dignity, then we're all ****ed.

[Kazanne]

So much wrong, in so little space. The conservatives aren't being cruel to be kind, they're being the ideologues they always are in power.

When the economy is struggling, do you know which group of people spend every penny they get on food, clothes, heating, local businesses? That's right, the poor. When you take money from them, you take money from all of the shops that rely on their custom to make ends meat themselves. In recession, the wealthiest people become more prudent and save more (because they can).

You can't build anything from the top, down, yet conservatives believe that less burden on the top means everything trickles down, but this thinking is so out dated, and so demonstrably wrong that it's laughable. Labour are not responsible for the world economy going to ****. Labour were, however, responsible for not paying down our debt when times were good, but we were taken into wars illegally, that had to be paid for.

You build the economy bottom up, people at the bottom have to have money in order to create the next level - the middle class. The wealthiest in society are either not paying their fair share, or have been able to find legal methods of accounting to avoid paying anything. How many £50-100/wk do you need to take from people to make up for the 10's of millions in corporate tax that isn't being paid?

The poor are unable to contribute money to campaigns, and offer non-executive directorships of 6 figure salaries to turn up at a board meeting once a year, so they are demonised by everyone. It's sickening.

What is the logical conclusion of pushing families further into poverty? How does that benefit anyone on this island? Lets create ghetto's and poorhouses all over again, where single parent families have to fight it out hunger games style for an interview for a £14k/yr job.

There isn't a party that represents my political beliefs, as there is no left in this country. Yet most people, when the questions are phrased correctly to them, have far more in common with socialism than conservatism, but the conservatives have a better messaging machine.

I'd like to see a tabloid go after rich tax avoiders day after day, the way they do with single mothers. I grew up in a healthy, loving, 2 parent family. And I hope to provide that for my future children, some day. I feel more responsibility towards those that don't have what I had, not less. If we can't treat the least amongst us with dignity, then we're all ****ed.

It's my opinion,didn't expect people to like it,far too many good for nothings getting drunk and high on their 'benefits'

[Kizzy]

So much wrong, in so little space. The conservatives aren't being cruel to be kind, they're being the ideologues they always are in power.

When the economy is struggling, do you know which group of people spend every penny they get on food, clothes, heating, local businesses? That's right, the poor. When you take money from them, you take money from all of the shops that rely on their custom to make ends meat themselves. In recession, the wealthiest people become more prudent and save more (because they can).

You can't build anything from the top, down, yet conservatives believe that less burden on the top means everything trickles down, but this thinking is so out dated, and so demonstrably wrong that it's laughable. Labour are not responsible for the world economy going to ****. Labour were, however, responsible for not paying down our debt when times were good, but we were taken into wars illegally, that had to be paid for.

You build the economy bottom up, people at the bottom have to have money in order to create the next level - the middle class. The wealthiest in society are either not paying their fair share, or have been able to find legal methods of accounting to avoid paying anything. How many £50-100/wk do you need to take from people to make up for the 10's of millions in corporate tax that isn't being paid?

The poor are unable to contribute money to campaigns, and offer non-executive directorships of 6 figure salaries to turn up at a board meeting once a year, so they are demonised by everyone. It's sickening.

What is the logical conclusion of pushing families further into poverty? How does that benefit anyone on this island? Lets create ghetto's and poorhouses all over again, where single parent families have to fight it out hunger games style for an interview for a £14k/yr job.

There isn't a party that represents my political beliefs, as there is no left in this country. Yet most people, when the questions are phrased correctly to them, have far more in common with socialism than conservatism, but the conservatives have a better messaging machine.

I'd like to see a tabloid go after rich tax avoiders day after day, the way they do with single mothers. I grew up in a healthy, loving, 2 parent family. And I hope to provide that for my future children, some day. I feel more responsibility towards those that don't have what I had, not less. If we can't treat the least amongst us with dignity, then we're all ****ed.

What an amazingly astute summary of the position of the UK at the moment.
Nice to see the wool isn't over everyones eyes, society is the sum of its parts.

[Kazanne]

Thanks to Labour almost 50% of the country are reliant on benefits of some sort or another. They are the benefits party who rely on getting their voters onto benefits and then warn them that the Tories will take them away.
Trust Labour as a party of government, after what it did in wrecking the economy and the public finances? Let's hope no-one's stupid enough to fall for that again. They created the economic mess the UK is in at the moment, with a government deficit that needs to be brought down further, a massive balance of payments gap, households in debt, a debased education system and a halving of manufacturing as a share of national output, yet they STILL won't admit it.The present government has not got everything right by a long way and needs to improve,but imo they are going the right way even though it is frustratingly slow.

[Jesus.]

When someone counters your blanket statements with facts, then you ignore it and say it's your opinion. Not a mistake I'll make twice.

[Redway]

It's my opinion,didn't expect people to like it,far too many good for nothings getting drunk and high on their 'benefits'

And your opinion is rubbish.There's no subjectivity when it comes to this sort of thing so you can't really go "oh well its my opinion" when someone debases it with facts.

[Kazanne]

And your opinion is rubbish.There's no subjectivity when it comes to this sort of thing so you can't really go "oh well its my opinion" when someone debases it with facts.

I am allowed an opinion,as we all are and just because people will disagree it doesn't change my opinion,the only time that will change is if something is said that makes me change that opinion and so far,nothing has! My opinion may be rubbish to you but that really doesn't bother me.sorry:hugesmile:

[Redway]

I am allowed an opinion,as we all are and just because people will disagree it doesn't change my opinion,the only time that will change is if something is said that makes me change that opinion and so far,nothing has! My opinion may be rubbish to you but that really doesn't bother me.sorry:hugesmile:

I don't give a rat's ass if my opinion doesn't bother you. I wasn't even setting out to offend you - I merely pointed out that I think your opinion is stupid, and Jesus.H.Christ pretty much summed up how it was so.

And, yeah, you are, of course, allowed an opinion - just as everyone else is entitled to criticise and take offense to your absurd, inconceivably poor reasoning. I'm pretty sure we've had this discussion so many times before but whenever someone disagrees with you, you seem to always resort to pulling out the tired, shark-jumped "well it's my opinion and idc if you disagree!" card.

[Kazanne]

I don't give a rat's ass if my opinion doesn't bother you. I wasn't even setting out to offend you - I merely pointed out that I think your opinion is stupid, and Jesus.H.Christ pretty much summed up how it was so.

And, yeah, you are, of course, allowed an opinion - just as everyone else is entitled to criticise and take offense to your absurd, inconceivably poor reasoning. I'm pretty sure we've had this discussion so many times before but whenever someone disagrees with you, you seem to always resort to pulling out the tired, shark-jumped "well it's my opinion and idc if you disagree!" card.

If you say so mr angry:sleep:I'm not really phased by your insults,I get it that because i dont agree with you and others my opinion is rubbish:xyxwave:but unfortunately i will still have opinions,lifes a bitch.JC may have summed 'it all up' in your opinion,not in mine!i'm pretty sure I do not speak top you a lot,i do try and avoid some people,so where you've got that we've had several discussions and THIS discussion no less leaves me confused,think you may have me mixed up with someone else:xyxwave:

[Maia]

Some people will vote for Labour as they are spitting their dummies out as the big bad Conservatives have taken some of their easy pickings away and are making some people work,which is really unpopular with the idle amongst us,there is an old saying "you have to be cruel to be kind" and imo,I'de rather take some of the tough stuff and come good in the end hopefully!!! I just cant see me voting Labour again if they keep getting us into debt.

:worship:

[Redway]

If you say so mr angry:sleep:I'm not really phased by your insults,I get it that because i dont agree with you and others my opinion is rubbish:xyxwave:but unfortunately i will still have opinions,lifes a bitch.JC may have summed 'it all up' in your opinion,not in mine!i'm pretty sure I do not speak top you a lot,i do try and avoid some people,so where you've got that we've had several discussions and THIS discussion no less leaves me confused,think you may have me mixed up with someone else:xyxwave:

BIB: perhaps in the soaps section, where you tell people who dare say something negative about your beloved show to switch off just because you don't like their views?

And I haven't even insulted you (yet), so don't bring up the "insult" card. All I'm saying is that your opinions are stupid - your opinions, not you.

I see being called out on your views proves too much for you.

[Jesus.]

:worship:

I had such high hopes for you.

:crazy:

[Kazanne]

BIB: perhaps in the soaps section, where you tell people who dare say something negative about your beloved show to switch off just because you don't like their views?

And I haven't even insulted you (yet), so don't bring up the "insult" card. All I'm saying is that your opinions are stupid - your opinions, not you.

I see being called out on your views proves too much for you.

So look over your posts,now tell me was there really any need to react like you did?You could have said you didnt agree with my opinion,but no you said it was 'rubbish' and continued to try and pull the post apart,In the soaps section ,I did not order anyone to switch off because I dont like their views:joker::joker:how absurd,I just find it pointless that people moan about something ALL the time but continue to watch it as though they are forced,do you understand my meaning?and Yes I like EE,is that ok?The only thing that proves 'too much for me' is people who try to be articulate but dont quite make the mark!! Now I have NY to look forward to so cant be arsed getting into silly confrontations with people I dont know and as for your (yet)sounds like a threat, in brackets,my knees are shaking:joker:

[King Gizzard]

Don't particularly like any of them, but probably Labour to get rid of the Tories plus my Labour MP was a great bloke

[Redway]

So look over your posts,now tell me was there really any need to react like you did?You could have said you didnt agree with my opinion,but no you said it was 'rubbish' and continued to try and pull the post apart,In the soaps section ,I did not order anyone to switch off because I dont like their views:joker::joker:how absurd,I just find it pointless that people moan about something ALL the time but continue to watch it as though they are forced,do you understand my meaning?and Yes I like EE,is that ok?The only thing that proves 'too much for me' is people who try to be articulate but dont quite make the mark!! Now I have NY to look forward to so cant be arsed getting into silly confrontations with people I dont know and as for your (yet)sounds like a threat, in brackets,my knees are shaking:joker:

Your views are stupid beyond belief.No point debating with you any further.

[King Gizzard]

omMCeMzbGlM

[Kazanne]

Your views are stupid beyond belief.No point debating with you any further.

There you go again:joker::joker:of course they are stupid,they dont line up with yours,best we dont respond to each other again:hugesmile:

[King Gizzard]

It's my opinion,didn't expect people to like it,far too many good for nothings getting drunk and high on their 'benefits'

Such a stupid generalisation.

[Marcus.]

I hear it's still fairly cold outside. Go get a can and hockey stick and play around with it.

and that help how

[Redway]

and that help how

It doesn't, which is why I deleted it after a few seconds.

[Apple202]

Why are people being so rude to Kazanne, she has a different opinion to you, get over it...

[Redway]

Why don't you get over it seeing as the whole thread has moved on from that point...

[Apple202]

Not really seen as though the last post was about it lmao

[Redway]

And that last post was over an hour ago?

[Apple202]

Exactly, it was only an hour ago..

[Redway]

Meh. All I know is I cba with the issue any further.

[Kazanne]

Why are people being so rude to Kazanne, she has a different opinion to you, get over it...

Thankyou Apple,nice to see some people are open to different opinions:hugesmile:

[joeysteele]

I would have agreed near 100% with kazanne in 2010,I also respect totally her views and the way she perceives things, I also agree that 'some' people on benefits are abusing the system but I now do not in any way believe it is the numbers this Coalition would have us believe.
I am also as equally mad at the people who can manage to avoid paying relevant taxes too but little is done as to them.

No Country had the foresight to see what was coming as to the global recession a few years ago, however Labour should have prepared better for harder times, it wasn't enough to hope there wouldn't be hard times coming in the future.
I also accept Labour built up the deficit and left a financial mess to sort out in their actions to get the UK out of recession, however, had they not done that, there could have been a greater human cost as to unemployment rising massively had they chosen to go down another route.

I accept also the deficit needed to be sorted and I agreed with welfare and benefit reform, however, I have seen particularly this last year, both from a personal friend's angle and others I have got interested and involved in, the effects, stress and depression caused by this Govts sledgehammer policies against the sick and disabled, all of them, even the genuinely terminally ill sick and disabled too.

I have been involved in no less that 15 appeals as to the ATOS assessments and loss of benefits to people genuinely seriously ill, every one of them overturned and restored after appeal following the DWPs decision after the ATOS assessments.

That is not building up and supporting the genuinely sick and disabled as Duncan Smith would argue it is, it causing them unnecesssay and inappropriate stress in their already stressful lives.
Shame on the Lib Dems for ever supporting such measures.

I have well moved on from the tuition fees saga,I will wait and get my revenge on the Lib Dems for that at the ballot box next time round.
It is the NHS I fear for now with this Govt though, I have many relatives who work in the NHS, from a Consultant through to the Nursing staff. Not one of them support the NHS changes, some are still really confused by them and the view is that overall the majority of staff in the NHS don't like or want the changes,even now.
I believe it will be for those reasons that this Coalition Govt will be turfed out in 2015.
Also next year the bedroom tax comes in, the DLA changes happen and those sick and disabled on DLA will have to re-apply for the PIP whatever it is next year too, even more heartless,intrusive and unnecessary stress.

The effects of all that will be felt right through 2013 and 2014,so I really believe voters will go out in droves,not to vote for Labour because they support them but to get rid of this shambles.
This Coalition is not going to hit a single target on almost anything that it was said was vital to hit in 2010, to have the audacity to come forward in 2015 asking for 3 to 5 years more, or longer even, to get things sorted will I believe only get contempt from the floating voters particularly.

I hoped for great things from this Coalition, I have seen little to impress, and taking a sledgehammer every year to the weakest,poorest and most vulnerable is to me a disgrace as is the demonisation of people on benefits by even Ministers of this Govt.

I really don't think Lbaour will need to be saying much in 2015, it has said it will repeal what it can as to the NHS reforms, that will be immensely popular and I would support that.
They can argue that they can do little as to the welfare reforms this Govt has done but that it will instil compassion and fairness into such reforms in the future.

I don't care for Ed Miliband but I have not an ounce of respect left for Nick Clegg now and I also hoped for more understanding and compassion from David Cameron.
It hasn't happened and the only thing this Govt can say, is that things appear to be getting better because they are getting worse slower.

That's why at this time I am likely to support Labour at the next election, I am at heart a centre Conservative but I part company with these for the misery I have seen myself as to how their policies have affected the genuinely sick,disabled, weakest and most vulnerable.That's not acceptable to me.

[Mystic Mock]

If I was old enough I would vote for UKIP as at least they seem to have policies unlike the top 3, and they stand more of a chance of getting in than the Green Party does.

[InOne]

I would need a proper read up on what's what. I'm slacking with Politics at the moment.

[Kazanne]

I would have agreed near 100% with kazanne in 2010,I also respect totally her views and the way she percieves things, I also agree that 'some' people on benfits are abusing the system but I now do not in any way believe it is the numbers this Coalition would have us believe.
I am also as equally mad at the people who can manage to avoid paying relevant taxes too but little is done as to them.

No Country had the foresight to see what was coming as to the global recession a few years ago, however Labour should have prepared better for harder times, it wasn't enough to hope there wouldn't be hard times coming in the future.
I also accept Labour built up the deficit and left a financial mess to sort out in their actions to get the UK out of recession, however, had they not done that, there could have been a greater human cost as to unemployment rising massively had they chosen to go down another route.

I accept also the deficit needed to be sorted and I agreed with welfare and benefit reform, however, I have seen particularly this last year, both from a personal friend's angle and others I have got interested and involved in, the effects, stress and depression caused by this Govts sledgehammer policies against the sick and disabled, all of them, even the genuinely terminally ill sick and disabled too.

I have been involved in no less that 15 appeals as to the ATOS assessments and loss of benefits to people genuinely seriously ill, every one of them overturned and restored after appeal following the DWPs decision after the ATOS assessments.

That is not building up and supporting the genuinely sick and disabled as Duncan Smith would argue it is, it causing them unnecesssay and inappropriate stress in their already stressful lives.
Shame on the Lib Dems for ever supporting such measures.

I have well moved on from the tuition fees saga,I will wait and get my revenge on the Lib Dems for that at the ballot box next time round.
It is the NHS I fear for now with this Govt though, I have many relatives who work in the NHS, from a Consultant through to the Nursing staff. Not one of them support the NHS changes, some are still really confused by them and the view is that overall the majority of staff in the NHS don't like or want the changes,even now.
I believe it will be for those reasons that this Coalition Govt will be turfed out in 2015.
Also next year the bedroom tax comes in, the DLA changes happen and those sick and disabled on DLA will have to re-apply for the PIP whatever it is next year too, even more heartless,intrusive and unnecessary stress.

The effects of all that will be felt right through 2013 and 2014,so I really believe voters will go out in droves,not to vote for Labour because they support them but to get rid of this shambles.
This Coalition is not going to hit a single target on almost anything that it was said was vital to hit in 2010, to have the audacity to come forward in 2015 asking for 3 to 5 years more, or longer even, to get things sorted will I believe only get contempt from the floating voters particularly.

I hoped for great things from this Coalition, I have seen little to impress, and taking a sledgehammer every year to the weakest,poorest and most vulnerable is to me a disgrace as is the demonisation of people on benefits by even Ministers of this Govt.

I really don't think Lbaour will need to be saying much in 2015, it has said it will repeal what it can as to the NHS reforms, that will be immensely popular and I would support that.
They can argue that they can do little as to the welfare reforms this Govt has done but that it will instil compassion and fairness into such reforms in the future.

I don't care for Ed Miliband but I have not an ounce of respect left for Nick Clegg now and I also hoped for more understanding and compassion from David Cameron.
It hasn't happened and the only thing this Govt can say, is that things appear to be getting better because they are getting worse slower.

That's why at this time I am likely to support Labour at the next election, I am at heart a centre Conservative but I part company with these for the misery I have seen myself as to how their policies have affected the genuinely sick,disabled, weakest and most vulnerable.That's not acceptable to me.

Great post as usual Joey,I agree Conservatives havent got it all right,but,I do believe it will get better,given time,I just dont trust Labour anymore,and how lovely to see you posting,we dont see enough of you.:hugesmile:

[Me. I Am Salman]

Ew at the UKIP and Tory support

[joeysteele]

If I was old enough I would vote for UKIP as at least they seem to have policies unlike the top 3, and they stand more of a chance of getting in than the Green Party does.

You will be old enough in 2015 Mockinator,I also agree that as to getting seats it is more likely UKIP that could get 1 or 2,rather than the Greens next time round.

[joeysteele]

Great post as usual Joey,I agree Conservatives havent got it all right,but,I do believe it will get better,given time,I just dont trust Labour anymore,and how lovely to see you posting,we dont see enough of you.:hugesmile:

Thank you Kazanne, you won't believe the problem I had with that post somehow it ended up on another thread so I had to sort that out.:joker:

[Kazanne]

Thank you Kazanne, you won't believe the problem I had with that post somehow it ended up on another thread so I had to sort that out.:joker:

Aw Joey.that is one long post to have to re write:hugesmile: at least you sorted it in the end:xyxwave:

[Mystic Mock]

You will be old enough in 2015 Mockinator,I also agree that as to getting seats it is more likely UKIP that could get 1 or 2,rather than the Greens next time round.

Oh yeah I forgot that:hugesmile:, my brain has been all fuzzy today.:joker:

[joeysteele]

Oh yeah I forgot that:hugesmile:, my brain has been all fuzzy today.:joker:

:joker:That makes 2 of us.:joker:

[Niall]

Ew at the UKIP and Tory support

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[Mystic Mock]

:joker:That makes 2 of us.:joker:

How have you been doing recently Joey?

I hope Lib Dems never come back in power again.

[joeysteele]

How have you been doing recently Joey?

I hope Lib Dems never come back in power again.

The only sure thing in my opinion is as to the next election, is that Clegg will be replaced as leader after it of a vastly reduced number of MPs, that is if he even holds his seat in Sheffield.

[MTVN]

Clicked other because at this time I probably wouldn't vote (don't know how that'd have changed by 2015 though), I will say though that I don't think the Conservatives are as bad as they're made out to be and Labour aren't really a better alternative

[Ninastar]

Clicked other because at this time I probably wouldn't vote (don't know how that'd have changed by 2015 though), I will say though that I don't think the Conservatives are as bad as they're made out to be and Labour aren't really a better alternative

:worship:

[Kizzy]

Ace post joey, the facts are what make all the difference.
With the country expanding at the rate it is there has to be changes, that is acceptable and understandable to anyone.
However, as you have made clear the ones paying the highest price are the least able and most vulnerable.
This government are doing a stirling job of demonising the poor in our society, as if they are some scourge to be eradicated..

[joeysteele]

Ace post joey, the facts are what make all the difference.
With the country expanding at the rate it is there has to be changes, that is acceptable and understandable to anyone.
However, as you have made clear the ones paying the highest price are the least able and most vulnerable.
This government are doing a stirling job of demonising the poor in our society, as if they are some scourge to be eradicated..

I really get annoyed at the demonising of people maybe on benefits by this Govt and its Ministers, George Osborne being the main offender.
His ridiculous dig at the conference when he said something like, think of the worker going to work on the early shift and passing houses with people likely on benefits with their curtains closed and still in bed,words to that effect anyway.

A disgraceful attempt to get at and demonise people on benefits, when we go to Uni, we leave the blinds closed in the house when we are out, the next house up from us, both the adults there go out to work but also leave their curtains and blinds closed all day.

It shows though the more sinister thinking behind some of the policies of this Govt and it is why voters will get sick of the injustice of some of their comments.
It is even worse that it is Ministers who are actually doing the demonising and fuelling the gutter press when they do it too.

[Kizzy]

They have done it for years, setting certain groups in their sights and creating folk devils to deflect from any issue or situation that may be damaging to the party.
Keep the angry mob baying about single mothers, graffiti and benefit scroungers and maybe they won't notice the privatisation of our public services, the dismantling of the NHS or venture capitalists donating money to ensure they get their say on policies.

[the truth]

none of them are worth a vote, theyre a bunch of lying , scheming, war mongering, eltitist disloyal bullies...Idont believe in any of the parties and they never ever address the real heart of the issues...i.e. the 10 trillion debts...the gap between rich and poor....the collapse of industry....the collapse of the family, the collapse of the nhs and the moral collapse of society at large....weve totally sold out to consumerism,we ignore each other and go to worship and retail temples 364 days a year, buying designer drivel is more important than using the hard earned money to help people or save a relatives life..Ill probably look for a decent independent and back that person, or maybe Ill stand myself.