Speidi Apologise To Claire....

[Jake.]

'12.32am: Speidi, who have been mingling all evening, are apologising to Claire for their initial reaction about losing her letter. #CBB'

'12.35am: Claire says she'd much rather everyone was talking. Tricia says she's hated the icy atmosphere. Heidi says she's really sorry. #CBB'

[Amy Jade]

I know this won't be popular but I blame Rylan for all of the bad atmosphere than Speidi or Claire.

He never let them explain themselves and he started calling them disgusting berore Heidi could explain her clapping, I think she was clapping everyone doing the task but Rylan saw a space to make them look awful and took it and because of their character Heidi and Spencer just went along with it rather than explaining themselves.

Ah well, at least they said sorry I suppose.

[Jake.]

Let's see how the major Speidi fans, who said that they were completely fine and agreed with Speidi'd reaction to Claire, react to this ;)

[In the Drunk Tank]

Well this is an interesting development, good of them to have swallowed their pride I guess

[Ramsay]

baaah, would of prefered if they didnt say anything and just make the last few days hostile as hell. ah well

[Jake.]

Well this is an interesting development, good of them to have swallowed their pride I guess

This. You've been on it tonight Matt :D

[In the Drunk Tank]

Yes I have finally decided to get off the fence and start backing the good guys

[Jamie585]

Good, They needed to show a bit of humanity!!

[Black Dagger]

Let's see how the major Speidi fans, who said that they were completely fine and agreed with Speidi'd reaction to Claire, react to this ;)

Let's see who think Speidi are scum of the earth react.

My guesses are 'attention seeking, fake, gameplaying'

[Jake.]

Yes I have finally decided to get off the fence and start backing the good guys

:worship: good on you, the delightful Queen Tricia for the win it is then

[Jake.]

Let's see who think Speidi are scum of the earth react.

My guesses are 'attention seeking, fake, gameplaying'

I'm thinking

:dance::dance::dance::dance::da nce::dance:

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

I'm not sure why Speidi clapped, but i doubt they meant to upset Claire. They have nothing personally against her.

[Jake.]

I'm not sure why Speidi clapped, but i doubt they meant to upset Claire. They have nothing personally against her.

They 'hate all of them'.

[Tregard]

Nice of them to say that,mid anything this just shows Heidi was misinterpreted, because they haven't apologised for any of the other stuff they have done.

[Jake.]

Yeah, fair play to them.. I said before that after they had clapped, Heidi generally looked remorseful

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Nice of them to say that,mid anything this just shows Heidi was misinterpreted, because they haven't apologised for any of the other stuff they have done.

It also shows how spiteful and vindictive Rylan is. He assumed Speidi were clapping about Claire, but i don't think so. They have nothing against her at all.

[Jake.]

I keep on replying to Vanessa forgetting she can't see my posts :laugh:

[The Penguin]

It's called diplomacy. Speidi have to live with these people for another 4 days so they are making up in order to make it easier for themselves which is understandable. They still hate them and will be happy to beat them all.
And they will no doubt trash them all like crazy when they go back to america.

[Locke.]

I am sure good old Spencer does not mean a word of this apology, a nice clip of him in the diary room laughing about how gullible she is for believing him should be the last scene in tomorrows show.

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

It's called diplomacy. Speidi have to live with these people for another 4 days so they are making up in order to make it easier for themselves which is understandable. They still hate them and will be happy to beat them all.
And they will no doubt trash them all like crazy when they go back to america.

I think Speidi wanted to clear the air. I get the feeling they weren't clapping about Claire. Rylan just jumped to conclusions like a moron. :nono:

[KingBilly]

I wouldn't have done the same thing. They are better people than me.

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

I wouldn't have done the same thing. They are better people than me.

Rylan just jumped to their throat before they had the chance to explain. What a twat! :nono:

[Jake.]

Speidi were never going to explain. Whatever way they meant it, it was rude.

[KingBilly]

How was it rude? Claire basically cursed their fertility.

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

How was it rude? Claire basically cursed their fertility.

And she never said sorry to them.

[KingBilly]

And she never said sorry to them.

Exactly.

[Jake.]

How was it rude? Claire basically cursed their fertility.

Clapping after it was announced she wouldn't get her letter because of them was rude. And o she didn't, you should go back and watch it again ;)

[KingBilly]

Clapping after it was announced she wouldn't get her letter because of them was rude. And o she didn't, you should go back and watch it again ;)

I clapped with them.
I don't have time for that.

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

I clapped with them.
I don't have time for that.

I was annoyed that Speidi didn't get the chance to explain why they were clapping. Rylan just told them to eff off back to America. Classy. :bored:

[Brother Leon]

We all apologise even when we feel there is no reason to. Lost count the amount of times I've done it..especially to a female(no sexism) just to make life easier :laugh:

[erinp5]

Day 19: Heidi apologies for clapping
11 mins ago
It was the clap that caused a House of strife, and tonight, Heidi has finally come clean about that ill-timed hand movement.

Chatting to the housemates in the kitchen, Heidi admitted that she hadn't meant to cause offence with her reaction. She reasoned that she just got caught up in everyone clapping and that her response was a gesture to show that she was supporting her marriage and their decision not to be separated for a task.

"I was clapping our decision to stick together, as I thought we'd be separated for days like the basement task... I didn't think about what I was doing at the time", she offered to the group.

Explaining why he clapped along with his wife, Spencer rationalised that he knew Heidi hadn't meant to clap and that he was just backing her up, "We're in the same boat. We gotta go down together".

Apologising profusely to Claire and telling all who would listen that the situation had been misconstrued, Heidi stated, "You think you're in a game, but you're not" adding, "I've got the worst timing..."

Lucky for them, the housemates are a pretty forgiving bunch, as they whole-heartedly accepted the couple's apology. Even Rylan, who was the most vocal after the clap-incident, said how glad he was to clear the air, saying he just wants to leave the House with everyone talking.

"We're all human beings, we should be talking to each other" Tricia gushed, before awkwardly hugging the pair and professing that they were both 'lovely people'.

We know what you're thinking - what a turn out for the books! We certainly didn't think we'd see a untied, happy House again, but there we go...

Is it too cynical for us to ask how long it'll last?

[Tregard]

Christ on a bike, Tricia flip flops more than a cheap pair of sandals.

[ChristmasNeeve]

I'm not sure why Speidi clapped, but i doubt they meant to upset Claire. They have nothing personally against her.

This. Rylan was the one who blew it all out of proportion, well atleast Speidi were the bigger people here :pipe:

[Kazanne]

Let's see how the major Speidi fans, who said that they were completely fine and agreed with Speidi'd reaction to Claire, react to this ;)

Well yes,they obviously thought it was wrong too:hugesmile:

[Patricia4]

Rylan was the cause of the fall out he cant keep his big mouth shut.

[Kazanne]

I'm wondering if this is just a ploy to get into in the final as they know the public wouldn't like what they did(well most of them),you cant really trust them can you?I'de be a bit wary if I was Claire.

[Me. I Am Salman]

Clapping after it was announced she wouldn't get her letter because of them was rude. And o she didn't, you should go back and watch it again ;)

totally misinterpreted. it started off as awkward clap.

[Ellen]

It was rude & they know it was rude.
The apology for a mistimed clap i could believe but not after the hours they spent in bed laughing & taking the p out of the fact Claire did not get her letter.
It most likely dawned on them how it would look to the public.

[Me. I Am Salman]

Let's see how the major Speidi fans, who said that they were completely fine and agreed with Speidi'd reaction to Claire, react to this ;)

they apologised because they know Claire took offence. doesn't mean they intended to cause offence.

[Kazanne]

they apologised because they know Claire took offence. doesn't mean they intended to cause offence.

So why do it then?

[Kazanne]

It was rude & they know it was rude.
The apology for a mistimed clap i could believe but not after the hours they spent in bed laughing & taking the p out of the fact Claire did not get her letter.
It most likely dawned on them how it would look to the public.

EXACTLY this^

[Jake.]

So why do it then?

:love:

[Me. I Am Salman]

So why do it then?

were you even bothered to look two posts up

[MachoPoodle]

It was rude & they know it was rude.
The apology for a mistimed clap i could believe but not after the hours they spent in bed laughing & taking the p out of the fact Claire did not get her letter.
It most likely dawned on them how it would look to the public.

Pretty much this, yeah. I have to say though, if the other HMs buy it, they're pretty damn stupid. I'm liking every single one in that house less and less by the minute now, because if it's one thing I can't stand it's fake and/or cowardly people. Stick to your guns!

[Kazanne]

were you even bothered to look two posts up

No need to be rude,there was no need for them to do it in the first place ,you can put your spin on the 'clapping' all you want ,why do people clap? usually because they are pleased with something.

[ChristmasNeeve]

So why do it then?

I believe Heidi explained why she did it, it wasn't to upset Claire and I believe that, it wasn't at all how Rylan said it was. he made out she went and clapped right in Claires face which didn't happen.

[CaudleHalbard]

It's all part of the Speidi game. I doubt they have a shed of genuine remorse.

[Jake.]

No matter why they did, there was no need to clap in that situation. It was always going to come across as rude.

[Kazanne]

I believe Heidi explained why she did it, it wasn't to upset Claire and I believe that, it wasn't at all how Rylan said it was. he made out she went and clapped right in Claires face which didn't happen.

No,she didn't do it in her face ,but I still think it was uncalled for and rude.

[ChristmasNeeve]

No,she didn't do it in her face ,but I still think it was uncalled for and rude.

It was bad timing for sure but I do believe her explanation for why she clapped and I do believe Rylan was the one who made the situation as bad as it became

[Kazanne]

It was bad timing for sure but I do believe her explanation for why she clapped and I do believe Rylan was the one who made the situation as bad as it became

I just think Rylan is that sort of character,over the top,and dramatic,he's the same with everything:joker:I guess that is why some people like him.

[Ianne]

Clapping after it was announced she wouldn't get her letter because of them was rude. And o she didn't, you should go back and watch it again ;)

After the annoucement it was Rylan and the other HM's who first reacted ridiculously, they were boo'ing and Rylan was whinging as usual. That was when Heidi started to clap in annoyance I think and Spencer got along when Rylan told Heidi off.

Speidi had been saying all the time and just before they went in the dining room to do the task that "Its only a game".

If I were Speidi I wouldn't stop clapping, and I would go near Rylan and clap on his face, it was Rylan who was horrible I don't know why people cant see what really happened. A lot of people are just noticing the clapping but not what made them clapped.

I would also blame Tricia for sorting the letters, it backfired on her for being selfish, she should be the one apologizing.

[ChristmasNeeve]

I just think Rylan is that sort of character,over the top,and dramatic,he's the same with everything:joker:I guess that is why some people like him.

mmmm, and why some people dislike him ;)

[chuff me dizzy]

Anyone would think they were ****ting it about being evicted tonight ? :joker:

[ChristmasNeeve]

Anyone would think they were ****ting it about being evicted tonight ? :joker:

Tonight?

[chuff me dizzy]

Tonight?

Tomorrow,b%q rang me at the ungodly hour of 7 this morning about delivering my new oven,I dont do 7 oclock in a morning :joker:

[ChristmasNeeve]

Tomorrow,b%q rang me at the ungodly hour of 7 this morning about delivering my new oven,I dont do 7 oclock in a morning :joker:

:laugh: I was getting excited there for a second, I thought we were having an eviction later!

[Kazanne]

Tomorrow,b%q rang me at the ungodly hour of 7 this morning about delivering my new oven,I dont do 7 oclock in a morning :joker:

Have they been yet Chuff:joker::joker:

[chuff me dizzy]

Have they been yet Chuff:joker::joker:

Yes ,came at 9 ....cheeky gett when he rang at 7 said after I had said "Morning" He replied with ...."Hello Mr Wr***** " :joker::joker:

[-Sue-]

If speidi are 'so great' like most claim.. why did they not just apologise there and then ?? we know why really because they realised it's the last week and they need to lick arse to get the votes...am sure when the HMs wander off and leave them in peace. spencer & heidi's barrage of 'we meant to clap it was funny' will continue.. *sigh*

[Marcus.]

well done for them for doing that

[Slevin]

I'm wondering if this is just a ploy to get into in the final as they know the public wouldn't like what they did(well most of them),you cant really trust them can you?I'de be a bit wary if I was Claire.
i'd be wary of anybody in that house. it is BB after all.

whether it was real or not, the apology. i guess nobody ever heard its better late than never.

im sure we all had mishaps with people we love or friends with and it took a while for an apology.

[Kazanne]

i'd be wary of anybody in that house. it is BB after all.

whether it was real or not, the apology. i guess nobody ever heard its better late than never.

im sure we all had mishaps with people we love or friends with and it took a while for an apology.

Agreed Slevin,it is better late then never as long as it's heartfelt,in this case I'm not so sure:hugesmile:

[Slevin]

im not counting on it lol

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

I doubt Speidi meant to upset Claire. I'm glad they do the chance to say sorry.

[Roy Mars III]

trying to keep the peace, everyone knows that Speidi wree not in the wrong

[linn]

It also shows how spiteful and vindictive Rylan is. He assumed Speidi were clapping about Claire, but i don't think so. They have nothing against her at all.
No of course they havent thats why they nominated her for eviction,

[linn]

trying to keep the peace, everyone knows that Speidi wree not in the wrong

They were of course applauding themselves you can teach seals to do that

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

No of course they havent thats why they nominated her for eviction,

they nominated her because of what she said about them when they were in the basement. But i don't think they hold a grudge. And the fact that they said sorry to her proves it.

[Cherry Christmas]

Day 19: Heidi apologies for clapping
11 mins ago
It was the clap that caused a House of strife, and tonight, Heidi has finally come clean about that ill-timed hand movement.

Chatting to the housemates in the kitchen, Heidi admitted that she hadn't meant to cause offence with her reaction. She reasoned that she just got caught up in everyone clapping and that her response was a gesture to show that she was supporting her marriage and their decision not to be separated for a task.

"I was clapping our decision to stick together, as I thought we'd be separated for days like the basement task... I didn't think about what I was doing at the time", she offered to the group.Explaining why he clapped along with his wife, Spencer rationalised that he knew Heidi hadn't meant to clap and that he was just backing her up, "We're in the same boat. We gotta go down together".

Apologising profusely to Claire and telling all who would listen that the situation had been misconstrued, Heidi stated, "You think you're in a game, but you're not" adding, "I've got the worst timing..."

Lucky for them, the housemates are a pretty forgiving bunch, as they whole-heartedly accepted the couple's apology. Even Rylan, who was the most vocal after the clap-incident, said how glad he was to clear the air, saying he just wants to leave the House with everyone talking.

"We're all human beings, we should be talking to each other" Tricia gushed, before awkwardly hugging the pair and professing that they were both 'lovely people'.

We know what you're thinking - what a turn out for the books! We certainly didn't think we'd see a untied, happy House again, but there we go...

Is it too cynical for us to ask how long it'll last?

This is how most astute Spiedi fans interpreted her clapping :pipe:, Rylan just wanted airtime and starting bawling in their faces and lying about them clapping at Claire crying. She was mouthing to him that "it was fine" for about five minutes but he kept going and going like a nodding dog until he set her off..:joker:

[linn]

they apologised because they know Claire took offence. doesn't mean they intended to cause offence.

Why was spencer so vile in the diary room then they will be upset boo hoo
wahhh How old is he, mental age of six I would say. What a prick. A lot of the time you can tell by Heidis forced smile that she is just going along with it to humour him. I feel sorry for her

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

This is how most astute Spiedi fans interpreted her clapping :pipe:, Rylan just wanted airtime and starting bawling in their faces and lying about them clapping at Claire crying. She was mouthing to him that "it was fine" for about five minutes but he kept going and going like a nodding dog until he set her off..:joker:

I knew Speidi weren't clapping about Claire. Shame on Rylan for jumping to conclusions. :nono:

[MaDdOctoR]

I know this won't be popular but I blame Rylan for all of the bad atmosphere than Speidi or Claire.

He never let them explain themselves and he started calling them disgusting berore Heidi could explain her clapping, I think she was clapping everyone doing the task but Rylan saw a space to make them look awful and took it and because of their character Heidi and Spencer just went along with it rather than explaining themselves.

Ah well, at least they said sorry I suppose.

This :dance:

[MaDdOctoR]

If speidi are 'so great' like most claim.. why did they not just apologise there and then ?? we know why really because they realised it's the last week and they need to lick arse to get the votes...am sure when the HMs wander off and leave them in peace. spencer & heidi's barrage of 'we meant to clap it was funny' will continue.. *sigh*

No, if they needed to "lick arse to get votes" they would have done the task in the first place or they would have apologised straightaway. The reason they didn't was because of Ry-I'm to big for this place to stay in here 24/7 but I'm not a celbrity-lan making a big scene and getting the wrong idea.

Really he should apologise to Heidi and Claire for his outburst.

[MaDdOctoR]

It was rude & they know it was rude.
The apology for a mistimed clap i could believe but not after the hours they spent in bed laughing & taking the p out of the fact Claire did not get her letter.
It most likely dawned on them how it would look to the public.

Firstly, it wasn't rude...because it wasn't about Claire, Heidi clapped because of the task, (and everybody already knew that they hadn't done their task) it was not. Because of Claire not getting her letter, then Rylan tells her not to clap, so Spencer starts clapping...are you telling me that if someone you've only known for 2 weeks tells your wife/husband not to do something in an angry shouting manner you would just let it slide, and not do anything?

The fact they were laughing is because of Rylan's flip out, he blew it out of proportion, and yes, they were taking the piss out of Claire, a grown woman who saw it as a fine idea to be away from her kids for a few weeks (did she not go on tours?) but cries about a letter when there is only a few days left to go...come on...if she's missing them as much as people think she is, why is she still in there?

[Tom4784]

Has Rylan apologised for upsetting her in the first place?

[kistar]

It was bad timing for sure but I do believe her explanation for why she clapped and I do believe Rylan was the one who made the situation as bad as it became

Surely as adults you know when to clap and smile and when not to? It was her whole demeanour that was inappropriate.

[MrWong]

Clearly Speidi are the better people apologising to clear the air, when infact the screeching Romford fishwife should have been apologising to them for willfully misinterpreting the claps in a desperate bid for more air time.

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Clearly Speidi are the better people apologising to clear the air, when infact the screeching Romford fishwife should have been apologising to them for willfully misinterpreting the claps in a desperate bid for more air time.

Speidi weren't even clapping about Claire. Rylan got the wrong end of the stick. He should say sorry for his rant at them. It was out of order.

[MrWong]

Speidi weren't even clapping about Claire. Rylan got the wrong end of the stick. He should say sorry for his rant at them. It was out of order.

Yeah I know :D

Rylan was going for the hero edit. He could have easily asked what Heidi was clapping about instead of jumping down her throat.

Did he even comfort Claire? I just remember him moving about the place, ranting in a very OTT way.

[Jake.]

No matter what they were clapping at, it was inexcusable and plain rude.

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Yeah I know :D

Rylan was going for the hero edit. He could have easily asked what Heidi was clapping about instead of jumping down her throat.

Did he even comfort Claire? I just remember him moving about the place, ranting in a very OTT way.

Rylan will never apologize to them, even though he was in the wrong. It really annoys me. :bored:

[KingBilly]

Clearly Speidi are the better people apologising to clear the air, when infact the screeching Romford fishwife should have been apologising to them for willfully misinterpreting the claps in a desperate bid for more air time.

♥

[boomoo]

I wouldn't have done the same thing. They are better people than me.

They are not better than you. They realised they had gone too far and apologised because they want to win.
They did not mean a word of their apology and think it funny that Claire did.
You are honest when you said you would not have apologised. Dont apologise if you do not mean it.

[Tregard]

No matter what they were clapping at, it was inexcusable and plain rude.

Bull.

[Jake.]

Bull.

No.

[kistar]

How was it rude? Claire basically cursed their fertility.

wow I didnt realise Claire was a witch who can curse people :conf:

[MaDdOctoR]

Surely as adults you know when to clap and smile and when not to? It was her whole demeanour that was inappropriate.

You are forgetting that we as the viewer get to see and hear everyone clearly, with closeup camera shots, it's not the same as being in that situation.

Heidi did not clap because Claire didn't get her letter, she clapped because after each team had their reulsts read out they all clapped, then when theirs was read out she clapped, at that very moment Rylan went into angry camp out mode then Claire starts crying (even though she had already known that they didn't do the task, (she even started crying as they were going into to do the task) Spencer's attention is drawn to Rylan as he shouts to Heidi not to clap, and he starts clapping to back her up.

You might think Rylan was sticking up for Claire, but he was actually trying to make himself look like the hero, but in fact he was just causing her more distress.

That's inappropriate

[ChristmasNeeve]

You are forgetting that we as the viewer get to see and hear everyone clearly, with closeup camera shots, it's not the same as being in that situation.

Heidi did not clap because Claire didn't get her letter, she clapped because after each team had their reulsts read out they all clapped, then when theirs was read out she clapped, at that very moment Rylan went into angry camp out mode then Claire starts crying (even though she had already known that they didn't do the task, (she even started crying as they were going into to do the task) Spencer's attention is drawn to Rylan as he shouts to Heidi not to clap, and he starts clapping to back her up.

You might think Rylan was sticking up for Claire, but he was actually trying to make himself look like the hero, but in fact he was just causing her more distress.

That's inappropriate

Yep. That's exactly what happened. Rylan turned an uncomfortable situation into World War 3. And I don't blame Spencer for getting mad and clapping after Rylan screamed at his wife not to clap like that

[catherine2005]

You are forgetting that we as the viewer get to see and hear everyone clearly, with closeup camera shots, it's not the same as being in that situation.

Heidi did not clap because Claire didn't get her letter, she clapped because after each team had their reulsts read out they all clapped, then when theirs was read out she clapped, at that very moment Rylan went into angry camp out mode then Claire starts crying (even though she had already known that they didn't do the task, (she even started crying as they were going into to do the task) Spencer's attention is drawn to Rylan as he shouts to Heidi not to clap, and he starts clapping to back her up.

You might think Rylan was sticking up for Claire, but he was actually trying to make himself look like the hero, but in fact he was just causing her more distress.

That's inappropriate

If this was the case, which I don't believe, why did they go into the bedroom straight after and laugh about themselves clapping and everyone not reading their letters? If they were not clapping for what Rylan claimed they were, why did they not say something at the time or when they were alone in the bedroom together? They have consistently said things and then backtracked when they feel that they might have gone too far. They play the pantomime villains very well but I think they don't know when to stop and think about what they are saying and how they behave might affect other people. The letter task was probably only going to separate them for an hour or so - is that really too long? They say that the other HMs hate them but they have all said they like them and tried to include them. When it suits them they say that the HMs hate them and they even told Big Brother on Friday (I think) that they liked the housemates. Another contradiction

[Ellen]

If this was the case, which I don't believe, why did they go into the bedroom straight after and laugh about themselves clapping and everyone not reading their letters? If they were not clapping for what Rylan claimed they were, why did they not say something at the time or when they were alone in the bedroom together? They have consistently said things and then backtracked when they feel that they might have gone too far. They play the pantomime villains very well but I think they don't know when to stop and think about what they are saying and how they behave might affect other people. The letter task was probably only going to separate them for an hour or so - is that really too long? They say that the other HMs hate them but they have all said they like them and tried to include them. When it suits them they say that the HMs hate them and they even told Big Brother on Friday (I think) that they liked the housemates. Another contradiction

Great post :hugesmile:

[MachoPoodle]

I actually think most of them were irritating during letter-gate. Rylan took it too far and I'm getting sick of him speaking over everyone else (still like him, but less and less), Claire needs to stop bawling every 10s, Speidi behaved like the tacky areseholes they really are and Tricia is all talk and no action. :mad:

[MrWong]

If this was the case, which I don't believe, why did they go into the bedroom straight after and laugh about themselves clapping and everyone not reading their letters? If they were not clapping for what Rylan claimed they were, why did they not say something at the time or when they were alone in the bedroom together? They have consistently said things and then backtracked when they feel that they might have gone too far. They play the pantomime villains very well but I think they don't know when to stop and think about what they are saying and how they behave might affect other people. The letter task was probably only going to separate them for an hour or so - is that really too long? They say that the other HMs hate them but they have all said they like them and tried to include them. When it suits them they say that the HMs hate them and they even told Big Brother on Friday (I think) that they liked the housemates. Another contradiction

Spencer laughed at Heidi because her clapping provoked a hysterical response from Rylan. Why do they have to say something at the time? Rylan was in full flow effing and blinding like an old fishwife, desperate for a row (air time) and the hero edit. Speidi walking away was exactly what he deserved. How do you know that they didn't say something in the bedroom? The bedroom scene was like 40 seconds long.

So they contradict themselves? Rylan was going to shun them completey until he slept on it. Not actually sure what the big deal is here :shrug: