Speidi: Villains or victims?

[kistar]

Speidi harp on about being villainised by American reality tv , it cost them everything apparently , yet they come here and play the same game , on one hand they claim to be the victims of the media and the next they are real life villains.I think they are villains who think they are victims.What do you think?

[Marcus.]

Villains

[Jake.]

In no way are they victims. They are where they are for being arseholes.

[kistar]

Villains

Villains who then complain about the consequences crazy.

[kistar]

In no way are they victims. They are where they are for being arseholes.

They were the same in America and yet they claim to be victims of the media

[Marcus.]

Villains who then complain about the consequences crazy.

the are just evil

[Tregard]

Both in varying amounts at different times.

[kistar]

Both in varying amounts at different times.

Can you be both?

[BigBrotherfan4ever]

Villains how anyone can think they are victims is beyond me

They are horrible nasty people

[Roy Mars III]

Heroes

[kistar]

Villains how anyone can think they are victims is beyond me

They are horrible nasty people

I think they think they are victims.

[kistar]

Heroes

Heroes for which element of the community?

[Jack_]

Heroes

...is the correct answer.

[kistar]

...is the correct answer.

Heroes for who?

[Jack_]

Heroes for who?

The show, considering without them it would have crumbled very early on. They've saved it.

[sampvt]

They claim the Media has ruined them, dont they realise it was the media that made them. In the real world, act like a dick, get treated like one. What goes around comes around. They are victims in their own little fabricated world and have a hard time deciphering between real and fake.

They are just plain nasty and love to play it that way. seriously deluded twots in my opinion and villians is a soft word for them.

[Livia]

They're a pair of ignorant, duplicitous, untruthful, talentless, boring non-entities. They can't do anything, they have no skills to offer, they're not great conversationalists, they haven't any discernable talents, they're not witty, funny or amusing... so I struggle to see why people are voting for these deeply unlikeable people. All I hear is that "the others are boring". Well, how would we know?

[KingBilly]

They are neither, they are just Speidi.

[kistar]

They're a pair of ignorant, duplicitous, untruthful, talentless, boring non-entities. They can't do anything, they have no skills to offer, they're not great conversationalists, they haven't any discernable talents, they're not witty, funny or amusing... so I struggle to see why people are voting for these deeply unlikeable people. All I hear is that "the others are boring". Well, how would we know?

Exactly

[KingBilly]

They're a pair of ignorant, duplicitous, untruthful, talentless, boring non-entities. They can't do anything, they have no skills to offer, they're not great conversationalists, they haven't any discernable talents, they're not witty, funny or amusing... so I struggle to see why people are voting for these deeply unlikeable people. All I hear is that "the others are boring". Well, how would we know?
Says you.

[Tom4784]

Victims, they've done nothing but not been taken in by Rylan's bull****.

[kistar]

The show, considering without them it would have crumbled very early on. They've saved it.

I think in dominating it they ruined any chance of the others being able to flourish.

[sampvt]

The show, considering without them it would have crumbled very early on. They've saved it.

Jack....you are under the impression that they caried the series, well if they were not there, the series would have blossomed and the likes of Frankie and Trish would have flourshed and storylines would have developed naturally. Having them in there killed that from happening and the show took on a life of its own which has decended into a crappy uncomfortable mess with hate, nastiness and controvosy at the helm. Sorry but i prefer it a little more entertaining and with different things happening. All we are getting on this show is vile hate and nastiness on a daily basis, its become uncomfortabel and boring in its content.

[Niamh.]

Victims, they've done nothing but not been taken in by Rylan's bull****.

:worship:

[KingBilly]

They're more like heroes than victims.

One is the modern day Jesus, whilst the other is the modern day Mother Theresa.

[Livia]

Says you.

Erm... obviously.

[KingBilly]

Jack....you are under the impression that they caried the series, well if they were not there, the series would have blossomed and the likes of Frankie and Trish would have flourshed and storylines would have developed naturally. Having them in there killed that from happening and the show took on a life of its own which has decended into a crappy uncomfortable mess with hate, nastiness and controvosy at the helm. Sorry but i prefer it a little more entertaining and with different things happening. All we are getting on this show is vile hate and nastiness on a daily basis, its become uncomfortabel and boring in its content.

I don't agree with you.

[Jack_]

I think in dominating it they ruined any chance of the others being able to flourish.

I'm pretty sure if the others weren't personality vacuums they'd have stepped up to the plate just like Speidi have. And of course, if they had, the editors aren't just going to ignore that. The reason Speidi and Rylan have so much airtime is because they are actually the only ones doing anything.

[KingBilly]

Erm... obviously.

What are doing? Please don't derail this thread.

[Roy Mars III]

Heroes for which element of the community?

humans

[Me. I Am Salman]

Victims turned heroes

[sampvt]

I don't agree with you.

You dont agree with anyone so why am I not surprised.

You seem to thrive on one liners and some really contrasting and hard to understand views.

[Me. I Am Salman]

Heidi is ofc Britain's new sweetheart :pipe:

[Jack_]

Jack....you are under the impression that they caried the series, well if they were not there, the series would have blossomed and the likes of Frankie and Trish would have flourshed and storylines would have developed naturally. Having them in there killed that from happening and the show took on a life of its own which has decended into a crappy uncomfortable mess with hate, nastiness and controvosy at the helm. Sorry but i prefer it a little more entertaining and with different things happening. All we are getting on this show is vile hate and nastiness on a daily basis, its become uncomfortabel and boring in its content.

Yes because Frankie and Tricia have so much to offer I'm sure. As I've just said to another poster, if they wanted to step up to the plate then they had the opportunity to but instead they've decided to fly under the radar, sit about every day, sail through to the final and pick up a cheque which they absolutely don't deserve.

99% of threads in the Big Brother section of this forum are about Speidi. If they weren't there, there'd be nothing to talk about, no one would care, people would turn off and that does nothing good for the show.

[Livia]

What are doing? Please don't derail this thread.

*ignore*

[KingBilly]

You dont agree with anyone so why am I not surprised.

You seem to thrive on one liners and some really contrasting and hard to understand views.

IA with members like StupidHoe, Salman! and DanielDayLew. They have opinions worth respecting. You don't. Soz.

[KingBilly]

Heidi is ofc Britain's new sweetheart :pipe:

Basically.

[Roy Mars III]

You dont agree with anyone so why am I not surprised.

You seem to thrive on one liners and some really contrasting and hard to understand views.

at least his posts are short and to the point, not convoluted hyperbole like some people on here

[Patricia4]

Victims, they've done nothing but not been taken in by Rylan's bull****.

Correct

[KingBilly]

at least his posts are short and to the point, not convoluted hyperbole like some people on here

TY baby daddy.

[sampvt]

The amount of kiss ass between those that picked a looser has escallated dramatically into a frenzy of one liners with initials and hidden ditties with insults that only the chosen few seem to understand. The only one I know is ****. sums my feeling up admirably.

[Vanessa]

Neither. Speidi want to be seen as villains, because that's the role they always play on tv. But they aren't victims. They talked things through with the housemates and are now talking with them again. I'm very proud of them for that.

[KingBilly]

The amount of kiss ass between those that picked a looser has escallated dramatically into a frenzy of one liners with initials and hidden ditties with insults that only the chosen few seem to understand. The only one I know is ****. sums my feeling up admirably.

I would have been banned for this... just saying.

[kistar]

How many times have we seen the villains on BB use the victim card!

[kistar]

Neither. Speidi want to be seen as villains, because that's the role they always play on tv. But they aren't victims. They talked things through with the housemates and are now talking with them again. I'm very proud of them for that.

Clearly the only reason they are on the shown is in their opinion they were the victims of American reality tv and lost everything

[Me. I Am Salman]

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[Vanessa]

Clearly the only reason they are on the shown is in their opinion they were the victims of American reality tv and lost everything

I don't see them as victims. They're fighters and never give up.

[kistar]

humans

Ok , for some humans they are heroes.

[KingBilly]

Ok , for some humans they are heroes.

They are my idols.

[kistar]

http://cdn.thisisbigbrother.com/customavatars/avatar16753_1.gif

Salman leave my elephant alone!

[Vanessa]

Salman leave my elephant alone!

Your avatar is so cute! :lovedup:

[kistar]

They are my idols.

I love your devotion.

[KingBilly]

I love your devotion.

Thank you.

[kistar]

Your avatar is so cute! :lovedup:

Was gonna say a bit like me , but then you might think I'm blue with a great big arse! Which I'm not !

[kistar]

Thank you.

Welcome

[Vanessa]

Was gonna say a bit like me , but then you might think I'm blue with a great big arse! Which I'm not !

:joker:

[kistar]

I don't see them as victims. They're fighters and never give up.

Ok I'm getting the picture now a bit clearer

[Cherie]

at least his posts are short and to the point, not convoluted hyperbole like some people on here

:worship:

You can't beat a one liner at times.

[Vanessa]

Ok I'm getting the picture now a bit clearer

They never act like victims. unlike Denise last year. Her victim act won her the show! :hugesmile:

[kistar]

They never act like victims. unlike Denise last year. Her victim act won her the show! :hugesmile:

Ok I get that entirely

[Cherie]

They never act like victims. unlike Denise last year. Her victim act won her the show! :hugesmile:

Mores the pity.

[smeagol]

they are not victims , maybe only victims of falling for the fame game and thinking it would last . not victims in the house at all.
though they are all victims of razors snorng and ball flashing

[Vanessa]

Mores the pity.

Denise really annoyed me last year. Worse winner ever! :nono:

[Vanessa]

they are not victims , maybe only victims of falling for the fame game and thinking it would last . not victims in the house at all.
though they are all victims of razors snorng and ball flashing

Couldn't agree more, smeagol. They're very strong and i really admire that.

[kistar]

they are not victims , maybe only victims of falling for the fame game and thinking it would last . not victims in the house at all.
though they are all victims of razors snorng and ball flashing

Yes that's right Smeagol, Razors ball flashing and scratching eeuuuwwww!

[Kazanne]

They're a pair of ignorant, duplicitous, untruthful, talentless, boring non-entities. They can't do anything, they have no skills to offer, they're not great conversationalists, they haven't any discernable talents, they're not witty, funny or amusing... so I struggle to see why people are voting for these deeply unlikeable people. All I hear is that "the others are boring". Well, how would we know?

:worship::worship::worship::worship::worship::amaz ed:

[Slevin]

they are not victims , maybe only victims of falling for the fame game and thinking it would last . not victims in the house at all.
though they are all victims of razors snorng and ball flashing
:thumbs:

i wouldnt go as far as to say evil either like some do a good amount. a-holes more like it.

[optimisticcynic]

They're a pair of ignorant, duplicitous, untruthful, talentless, boring non-entities. They can't do anything, they have no skills to offer, they're not great conversationalists, they haven't any discernable talents, they're not witty, funny or amusing... so I struggle to see why people are voting for these deeply unlikeable people. All I hear is that "the others are boring". Well, how would we know?

Good on you Livia. The others' potential occasionally shines through and Ryan, Razor and Frankie would have been awesome, if not for the nutrient/spotlight-stealing weeds Rylan and Snidey who have so damaged the house dynamic and atmosphere, it's almost impossible for people to be themselves/let loose.

[Sokratez]

Everything started when Frankie and Rylan put them in the basement and got mad when Spencer and Heidy didn't want to say hi to them. It seems that a lot of people forget that this is what got things going.

[paulette1966]

Villains.....and please do the USA a favor, and don't send them back.

[MachoPoodle]

They're more like heroes than victims.

One is the modern day Jesus, whilst the other is the modern day Mother Theresa.

I really hope this is trolling, because seriously... :joker:

[Marcus.]

I really hope this is trolling, because seriously... :joker:

i think serious

[MachoPoodle]

i think serious

Yeah? If you're right, then that's kind of terrifying. But also hilarious.:laugh2:

[Marcus.]

Yeah? If you're right, then that's kind of terrifying. But also hilarious.:laugh2:

yeah it is on my stars

[Blue Cadillac]

Villains.....and please do the USA a favor, and don't send them back.

They're the wares of the US - you can keep 'em!

[Blue Cadillac]

They're more like heroes than victims.

One is the modern day Jesus, whilst the other is the modern day Mother Theresa.

Blasphemy!!

[MrWong]

Everything started when Frankie and Rylan put them in the basement and got mad when Spencer and Heidy didn't want to say hi to them. It seems that a lot of people forget that this is what got things going.

This group have zero empathy and are only bothered about themselves. Speidi were suffering from severe jet lag at the time, with a couple of housemates commenting on how sick Spencer was.

Spencer was right. They don't care about each other like they pretend. Ryan found that out very recently. Poor guy.

[Blue Cadillac]

[QUOTE=MrWong;5789355]This group have zero empathy and are only bothered about themselves. Speidi were suffering from severe jet lag at the time,

Do these z-list celebrities fly to the UK the day before the show starts then? I would have thought BB would have paid for them to come here at least a good few days beforehand. Where is the evidence that they had jet lag, apart from them spewing so from their own mouths? Incidentally, does this mean that Ryan could also use that same excuse? If so, and he was also 'suffering' from severe jet lag, why wasn't he equally as rude and obnoxious as Speidi?

[MachoPoodle]

This group have zero empathy and are only bothered about themselves. Speidi were suffering from severe jet lag at the time, with a couple of housemates commenting on how sick Spencer was.


Oh come on... I've suffered from jet lag and stomach flu at the same time, and still managed to say hi to people. It's not that hard. :hugesmile:

When Frankie went down there, they behaved like children and literally hid from him... Utterly pathetic, and there are no excuses for that kind of behaviour whether you like them or not.

[MrWong]

Do these z-list celebrities fly to the UK the day before the show starts then? I would have thought BB would have paid for them to come here at least a good few days beforehand. Where is the evidence that they had jet lag, apart from them spewing so from their own mouths? Incidentally, does this mean that Ryan could also use that same excuse? If so, and he was also 'suffering' from severe jet lag, why wasn't he equally as rude and obnoxious as Speidi?

Evidence for jet lag?? They said it (which is valid. Hardly spewing).

Did you miss the part where I also said that a couple of hm's mentioned Spencer being sick? Or are they also spewing from their own mouths and not be believed?

Btw. The effects of jet lag affect people differently. Some cope well, some feel like ****e for a week or more.

[MrWong]

Oh come on... I've suffered from jet lag and stomach flu at the same time, and still managed to say hi to people. It's not that hard. :hugesmile:

When Frankie went down there, they behaved like children and literally hid from him... Utterly pathetic, and there are no excuses for that kind of behaviour whether you like them or not.

Me too on a trip to Aus. My first 3 days I stayed in the hotel feeling like utter ****e, i barely grunted at room service.

[Blue Cadillac]

Evidence for jet lag?? They said it (which is valid. Hardly spewing).

Did you miss the part where I also said that a couple of hm's mentioned Spencer being sick? Or are they also spewing from their own mouths and not be believed?

Btw. The effects of jet lag affect people differently. Some cope well, some feel like ****e for a week or more.

Then maybe they shouldn't have signed up for the show in the first instance, if they 'suffer' so much with jet lag that it makes them wholly unsociable and isolated.

As for the only evidence pointing to Speidi saying it themselves - well, I rest my case.

[MachoPoodle]

Me too on a trip to Aus. My first 3 days I stayed in the hotel feeling like utter ****e, i barely grunted at room service.

This was people they were going to live with for weeks possibly, not room service. It also wasn't the reason they told eachother why they wouldn't go up...

[flamingGalah!]

They're a pair of ignorant, duplicitous, untruthful, talentless, boring non-entities. They can't do anything, they have no skills to offer, they're not great conversationalists, they haven't any discernable talents, they're not witty, funny or amusing... so I struggle to see why people are voting for these deeply unlikeable people. All I hear is that "the others are boring". Well, how would we know?

Spot on Livia :thumbs:

They are a couple of complete arseholes...

[MrWong]

Evidence for jet lag?? They said it (which is valid. Hardly spewing).

Did you miss the part where I also said that a couple of hm's mentioned Spencer being sick? Or are they also spewing from their own mouths and not be believed?

Btw. The effects of jet lag affect people differently. Some cope well, some feel like ****e for a week or more.

Then maybe they shouldn't have signed up for the show in the first instance, if they 'suffer' so much with jet lag that it makes them wholly unsociable and isolated.

As for the only evidence pointing to Speidi saying it themselves - well, I rest my case.

You've missed it again. Others pointed it out too. Paula on BOTS was one and Lacey was the other.

[Blue Cadillac]

Well, my heart bleeds for poor old Spencer, who was probably faking it anyway. Can you imagine him sparing any sympathy for any of the other housemates if they felt unwell? I think not. He'd probably just have a laugh about it on the bed with Heidi, as usual.

Besides, did you miss MY point, regarding the fact that perhaps they shouldn't have entered the house in the first place if they are so affected by jet lag?!

[MrWong]

This was people they were going to live with for weeks possibly, not room service. It also wasn't the reason they told eachother why they wouldn't go up...

That maybe so but even without the jet lag they're hardly Mr and Mrs sociable. I will however concede that a nod in their general direction would have sufficed. :D

They had a few reasons, jet lag was one of them.

[MrWong]

Well, my heart bleeds for poor old Spencer, who was probably faking it anyway. Can you imagine him sparing any sympathy for any of the other housemates if they felt unwell? I think not. He'd probably just have a laugh about it on the bed with Heidi, as usual.

Besides, did you miss MY point, regarding the fact that perhaps they shouldn't have entered the house in the first place if they are so affected by jet lag?!

Of course they should have. It's not like the jet lag would have lasted the 3 weeks of their stay.

[Slevin]

idk how early some get there coming from the US. i do remember that The Situation said he got there the night before that CBB started.