Toadie had a point tonight

[MTVN]

Thought he was being a bit of a dick about it at first but you could see why he was annoyed about it; they all sacrificed their letters for Claire so she wouldn't feel left out and to show a bit of solidarity, but now when the shoe is on the other foot and Claire has her letter it's suddenly ok for only some of them to have them read and for the rest to miss out?

For a guy who is married and with kids I think, it must be pretty frustrating to have held your letter in your hands, given it up for somebody else, and then not had that same favour repaid to you. Ok so they sort of checked the others were alright with it but the way they did it Ryan wasn't really left with much of a choice but to accept it

[The Penguin]

They all forfeited their letters for Claire. Now Ryan doesn't get his and they all happily read their letters in front of him.

That also proves that yesterdays "we don't want our letters" stunt by the other HMs was just a way of trying to stick it to Speidi.

[Locke.]

Yes he came across pretty well tonight, probably back up to my third favourite

[Ramsay]

Agreed

[Me. I Am Salman]

yes but I still hate him + he needs to go

[Amy Jade]

Claire told them to take their letters yesterday though.

Claire actually sat back down after she heard them say letters, she was encouraged by the other housemates to get get the letters, especially Rylan.

[MeMyselfAndI]

I agree

[MTVN]

They all forfeited their letters for Claire. Now Ryan doesn't get his and they all happily read their letters in front of him.

That also proves that yesterdays "we don't want our letters" stunt by the other HMs was just a way of trying to stick it to Speidi.

We made threads on the same thing at basically the same time so I've just merged them, in case you were wondering where your thread had gone

[smeagol]

has he just realized they dont like him much lol bit dim he is.
yea he has a point but he is far too serious far to competetive and slightly psychotic .
if he cared about his letter he would of read it that day instead of being a sheep to rylan to win votes now he has been pooed on he now feels a fool.
if i had kids i'd of read mine the other day not follow the sheep its more important.
its his own fault

[Josy]

He's been my favourite from the start, just a genuine guy who says what he feels and I don't know why other's think he should go tbh, he's been a team player and gave his all in every task right from the start, and he seems to be up for a laugh, I did agree with him about the letters too it wasn't fair that they all gave up theirs because Claire never got hers then had to sit and listen to the others being read out in front of them, it must have been difficult.

[MTVN]

Claire told them to take their letters yesterday though.

Claire actually sat back down after she heard them say letters, she was encouraged by the other housemates to get get the letters, especially Rylan.

She didn't really try very hard to persuade them, not saying it's all Claire's fault, it was quite unfair of the others as well to seemingly value Claire's letter over his. In a way he probably wanted his letter the most, not only does he also have a wife and kids but he's on the other side of the world to them

[Gillian-73]

Totally agree. I understand completely where he was coming from!.

[Drew.]

he's a nice guy, must feel pretty lonely at times being half way around the world in a house with random people but he's given it a good shot over the past 2 weeks to get involved

[Johnnyuk123]

Give him his damn letter big brother!

[Ramsay]

I feel sorry for Speidi and Ryan, once this is over everyone else can go back home but Ryan and Speidi have to travel for a long time

[Jake.]

Claire's been given a lot of flack (once more) for this, she sat back down after she found out that there were letters in the hatch, and was encouraged by the others to do it. It's not like she got up and ran to the hatch and stuck up her middle finger to Ryan's face.

[Cherie]

Though I do agree with him, I don't know why he is surprised, he did after all sell Sam down the river in face to face noms when Sam thought they had bonded, and the majority voted for him even though he had unblocked the drains. They are all in it for themselves, and as someone else said last nights tight unit was purely to stick it to Spiedi.

[Amy Jade]

She didn't really try very hard to persuade them, not saying it's all Claire's fault, it was quite unfair of the others as well to seemingly value Claire's letter over his. In a way he probably wanted his letter the most, not only does he also have a wife and kids but he's on the other side of the world to them
I blame Rylan and Frankie over Claire to be honest, they discouraged and lead people into not taking their letters yesterday and then encouraged Claire, Tricia and razor to take them tonight.

I don't blame Ryan at all, I don't like him but I think that's got to be hard for him but I think the blame being placed more with Claire is a bit missplaced, not that I'm claiming you've said she is of course.

[Jake.]

I feel sorry for Speidi and Ryan, once this is over everyone else can go back home but Ryan and Speidi have to travel for a long time

12 hours. With the person they can't get enough of. They will live :laugh: fair play with Ryan though, although I'm sure his family would be flown out?

[Niamh.]

aww poor guy, I see his point, I think it's incredibly sexist the way the "moms" are prioritised like that

[Cherie]

Actually having just seen him on BOTS carrying it through to the next day and now crying in the bathroom, I think he is acting, playing on the sympathy vote. He's pulling out all the stops to win.:xyxwave:

[chuff me dizzy]

Agree 100%,Ive not liked him from night one ,but he is spot on in what he said tonight ,you either make a pact or you dont !! and spot on too about Speidi ,while the 2 faced ,fake arselicking women had their heads firmly up Yanky arse "Do you want more cushions ?" he was right in pointing out they have short memories on what they said about them in task room the other day ,Some of them are going to look pretty silly when they come out and see what they said in diary room the same day they decided to play happy families,wishing the others dead ? and this vermin has fans ? says more about them than me

[the truth]

he has kids 11000 miles away thats heartbreaking....frankie saying a mothers love is greater than a fathers was utter bull and ryan said so....ryan is 100% right...clare rylan and the other lady are selfish

[Jake.]

Agree 100%,Ive not liked him from night one ,but he is spot on in what he said tonight ,you either make a pact or you dont !! and spot on too about Speidi ,while the 2 faced ,fake arselicking women had their heads firmly up Yanky arse "Do you want more cushions ?" he was right in pointing out they have short memories on what they said about them in task room the other day ,Some of them are going to look pretty silly when they come out and see what they said in diary room the same day they decided to play happy families,wishing the others dead ? and this vermin has fans ? says more about them than me

He didn't wish the others dead, that's made up.

[Amy Jade]

He didn't wish the others dead, that's made up.

Chuff does that all the time, hears something and then twists it to try devalue people.

[Blue Cadillac]

I too am in agreement with OP. Ryan seems like a straight-down-the-line type of guy, no airs or graces, and what you see is what you get. He is a team player, whilst also portraying principles that he sticks to. I do believe Ryan is (quite justifiably) missing his family in equal proportion to Claire or Trisha. I am a mum with kids, yet feel it is transparent in this scenario to detect that fathers must surely miss their kids too. Why wouldn't it be that way?

Claire and co were all too quick to accept their letters without a thought for the others, which in my opinion showed a lack of feeling and sensitivity, and moreover, I am perturbed to see that Tricia and Claire have fallen over themselves to befriend Speidi again. Where do their loyalties lie, and how weak are their principles?

Ryan is my favourite to win, but sadly, he'll probably be first out, because regrettably, as is often the case, the good guys with a sense of morality, decency, loyalty and those that are team-spirited and conscientious, tend not to be favoured by Big Brother voters.

[the truth]

just showed up how fake they all are im disgusted for ryan

[Niamh.]

Agree 100%,Ive not liked him from night one ,but he is spot on in what he said tonight ,you either make a pact or you dont !! and spot on too about Speidi ,while the 2 faced ,fake arselicking women had their heads firmly up Yanky arse "Do you want more cushions ?" he was right in pointing out they have short memories on what they said about them in task room the other day ,Some of them are going to look pretty silly when they come out and see what they said in diary room the same day they decided to play happy families,wishing the others dead ? and this vermin has fans ? says more about them than me

What?

[Jake.]

Chuff does that all the time, hears something and then twists it to try devalue people.

Don't worry, most are aware ;)

[Petershaw1984]

Actually having just seen him on BOTS carrying it through to the next day and now crying in the bathroom, I think he is acting, playing on the sympathy vote. He's pulling out all the stops to win.:xyxwave:

i dont think he knows the british public works like that

[MaDdOctoR]

Agree 100%,Ive not liked him from night one ,but he is spot on in what he said tonight ,you either make a pact or you dont !! and spot on too about Speidi ,while the 2 faced ,fake arselicking women had their heads firmly up Yanky arse "Do you want more cushions ?" he was right in pointing out they have short memories on what they said about them in task room the other day ,Some of them are going to look pretty silly when they come out and see what they said in diary room the same day they decided to play happy families,wishing the others dead ? and this vermin has fans ? says more about them than me

I agree with the Ryan part, a pact is a pact stick to it or...well you know

however

You have selective hearing, They didn't wish anyone dead, they said, "if they were dead in the house, they wouldn't go to any of their funerals" doubt they would have been invited anyway.

[MTVN]

I blame Rylan and Frankie over Claire to be honest, they discouraged and lead people into not taking their letters yesterday and then encouraged Claire, Tricia and razor to take them tonight.

I don't blame Ryan at all, I don't like him but I think that's got to be hard for him but I think the blame being placed more with Claire is a bit missplaced, not that I'm claiming you've said she is of course.

That's probably true, a lot of them didn't really seem to think about it tbf, just presumed for whatever reason that males wouldn't be as bothered about their letters as females

[chuff me dizzy]

He didn't wish the others dead, that's made up.

I think you will find he did, then went on to say they wouldnt go to their funerals either

[Amy Jade]

That's probably true, a lot of them didn't really seem to think about it tbf, just presumed for whatever reason that males wouldn't be as bothered about their letters as females
That's how I took it which was a bit unfair in my mind, Frankie and Ryan have kids who matter just as much as Claire, Razor and Traicia's children.

[the truth]

That's probably true, a lot of them didn't really seem to think about it tbf, just presumed for whatever reason that males wouldn't be as bothered about their letters as females

yes because the so called intelligent british public think fathers have no feelings for their children

[Amy Jade]

I think you will find he did, then went on to say they wouldnt go to their funerals either
I think you'll find the latter is all he said. You need a hearing aid.

[the truth]

That's how I took it which was a bit unfair in my mind, Frankie and Ryan have kids who matter just as much as Claire, Razor and Traicia's children.

its sexist as hell, also if the men had won the tasks they would have given up their letters for the women

[Vanessa]

I think you will find he did, then went on to say they wouldnt go to their funerals either

No, he did not. Watch the show again and you'll see you got it wrong.

[Jake.]

I think you will find he did, then went on to say they wouldnt go to their funerals either

He said that he wouldn't go to their funerals if they died.

[Jordan.]

Agree 100%,Ive not liked him from night one ,but he is spot on in what he said tonight ,you either make a pact or you dont !! and spot on too about Speidi ,while the 2 faced ,fake arselicking women had their heads firmly up Yanky arse "Do you want more cushions ?" he was right in pointing out they have short memories on what they said about them in task room the other day ,Some of them are going to look pretty silly when they come out and see what they said in diary room the same day they decided to play happy families,wishing the others dead ? and this vermin has fans ? says more about them than me

Only one sentance of this is relevant to the op....

[MaDdOctoR]

Only one sentance of this is relevant to the op....

That sounds like a question from a literacy test

:D

[Stevep]

He was spot on.

And on a slightly unrelated not, refreshing to see someone new get some airtime. If tasks were dished out more evenly we may have seen more characters come out their shells.

[the truth]

He was spot on.

And on a slightly unrelated not, refreshing to see someone new get some airtime. If tasks were dished out more evenly we may have seen more characters come out their shells.

very true this has been the rylan show from day 1.....a vapid shallow insincere talentless bore

[jet]

I totally agreed with Ryan on tonight's show. I'd like him to win.

[Slevin]

Agree 100%,Ive not liked him from night one ,but he is spot on in what he said tonight ,you either make a pact or you dont !! and spot on too about Speidi ,while the 2 faced ,fake arselicking women had their heads firmly up Yanky arse "Do you want more cushions ?" he was right in pointing out they have short memories on what they said about them in task room the other day ,Some of them are going to look pretty silly when they come out and see what they said in diary room the same day they decided to play happy families,wishing the others dead ? and this vermin has fans ? says more about them than me
so is that judging people based on who they like? if so i think thats some bs.

[Roy Mars III]

I did feel bad for him

[Maia]

Go on The Toad :worship:

[Cherie]

i dont think he knows the british public works like that

I'm pretty sure he will have seen some BB eps before he went in, and will have done some research, he won't have gone in cold. Carrying it into the next day was OTT. I think he was more annoyed at the group making up with Spiedi than the actual letter thing. He quite likes it when they are ostracised, and he feels part of the group, he said it himself he has made a big effort to integrate, whereas Spiedi well we all know they haven't. Spencer made a very valid point on BOTS in the DR they all bar Spiedi said they were in it for the experience, that is part of the experience as well, taking the good with the bad.

[Daniel R]

Hope he makes top three at least

[Sophiee]

I agree, I found myself liking him more lat night, he may have saved hismelf from eviction tonight. I was agreeing with what he said and he came across as honest and genuine.

[starry]

I understand why he thought he should receive a letter as well, and Frankie's ridiculous generalisation that mothers are always closer to their children than fathers annoyed me a lot (hate ignorant stereotyped opinions like that).

However I still don't like Ryan. Away from this issue and in general there is a narrow self-importance to him and he certainly plays up to what he thinks the audience wants him to say.

[rocket]

he has kids 11000 miles away thats heartbreaking....frankie saying a mothers love is greater than a fathers was utter bull and ryan said so....ryan is 100% right...clare rylan and the other lady are selfish

Excuse me...but how can you say Rylan is selfish,,,HE hasn't had his letter either, neither has Frankie.. They both saw where Ryan was coming from and sympathised with him...
It was Clare, Trisha and Razor that were selfish ....

[the truth]

I understand why he thought he should receive a letter as well, and Frankie's ridiculous generalisation that mothers are always closer to their children than fathers annoyed me a lot (hate ignorant stereotyped opinions like that).

However I still don't like Ryan. Away from this issue and in general there is a narrow self-importance to him and he certainly plays up to what he thinks the audience wants him to say.

I 100% agree it makes me sick to my stomach to see all fathers generalized against like that, its a massive problem in british society and causes enormous damage to fathers, children and families...frankie fell way down in my estimations he sounded like a right prat just desperate to say anything that made him look good on camera, instead he sounded fake and fickle....ryan said the right things and spoke from the heart.

[the truth]

Excuse me...but how can you say Rylan is selfish,,,HE hasn't had his letter either, neither has Frankie.. They both saw where Ryan was coming from and sympathised with him...
It was Clare, Trisha and Razor that were selfish ....

sorry i meant razor....but rylan didnt defend this selfishness either

[Niamh.]

I 100% agree it makes me sick to my stomach to see all fathers generalized against like that, its a massive problem in british society and causes enormous damage to fathers, children and families...frankie fell way down in my estimations he sounded like a right prat just desperate to say anything that made him look good on camera, instead he sounded fake and fickle....ryan said the right things and spoke from the heart.

I agree, my husband is an amazing father and he loves his children just as much as I do. I think it's horrible to belittle fathers like that

[MachoPoodle]

He's been my favourite from the start, just a genuine guy who says what he feels and I don't know why other's think he should go tbh, he's been a team player and gave his all in every task right from the start, and he seems to be up for a laugh, I did agree with him about the letters too it wasn't fair that they all gave up theirs because Claire never got hers then had to sit and listen to the others being read out in front of them, it must have been difficult.

I agree with all of the above (except he was one of my favourites rather than THE fave). Plus, when he wants to be, he's a much better game player than Spencer. W/o sacrificing his humanity.

[flamingGalah!]

Yep, Ryan had every right to feel upset.Why is it more important that the women get their letters from home?? Claire lives about 5 minutes away from Borehamwood, she will see her other half & kids as soon as she leaves the house. Ryan's wife & kids are thousands of miles away & he wont see them for about a week after BB ends! I have no doubt that if he survives tonights eviction BB will give him & the others their letters, but the principle he made was very right & I'm glad he stuck to his guns & told them how he felt...

[Indy]

Actually having just seen him on BOTS carrying it through to the next day and now crying in the bathroom, I think he is acting, playing on the sympathy vote. He's pulling out all the stops to win.:xyxwave:

He didn't carry it on to the next day. Yesterday, between the morning wake up and the time he had the conversation with Claire, BB called him into the DR on two separate occasions to make him rehash what it was like not to get his letter while the girls got theirs. That's BB carrying it on to the next day. Unlike speidi, he's not a robot who can just deactivate the emotion chip when it suits him, he's an actual human.

And TBF, I have absolutely zero doubt that the day of the initial letter task, BB was probably calling Claire into the DR every chance they had to make her talk about her kids so she'd be as emotional as possible by the time they announced the task.

It's BB's job to be cruel, and while they generally suck at it, when they do manage to pull it off, it's not really fair to blame their manipulations on the HM's, any more than it would be fair to blame the HM's when BB decides to turn off hot water when one person breaks a rule but take away nominating rights from another HM who breaks the same rule.

[mizzy25]

razor repeatadly (sp) asked ryan if it was ok and ryan even offered to read razors letter out. if ryan wanted his letter so much he shud have took it the other night like speidi did.

[Cherie]

razor repeatadly (sp) asked ryan if it was ok and ryan even offered to read razors letter out. if ryan wanted his letter so much he shud have took it the other night like speidi did.

Exactly Mizzy.