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Ammi
05-02-2013, 06:53 PM
Irish Prime Minister Enda Kenny has apologised for the stigma and conditions suffered by women who were inmates of the Magdalene laundries.

Mr Kenny said the laundries had operated in a "harsh and uncompromising Ireland," but he stopped short of a formal apology from the government.

About 10,000 women passed through the laundries in the Irish Republic between 1922 and 1996, a report has revealed.

The laundries were Catholic-run workhouses that operated in Ireland.

Mr Kenny expressed his sympathies with survivors and the families of those who died.

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Magdalene Laundries

• Originally termed Magdalene Asylums the first in Ireland was opened in Dublin in 1765, for Protestant girls

• First Catholic home was founded in Cork in 1809

• Envisaged as short-term refuges for 'fallen women' they became long-term institutions and penitents were required to work, mostly in laundries on the premises

• They extended to take in unmarried mothers, women with learning difficulties and girls who had been abused

• The facilities were self-supporting and the money generated by the laundries paid for them

• Between 1922 and 1996 there were 10 such laundries in the Republic of Ireland

• Many Irish institutions, such as the army, government departments, hotels and even Guinness had contracts with Magdalene laundries

• The women toiled behind locked doors unable to leave after being admitted and while the laundries were paid, they received no wages

• The last Magdalene asylum in Ireland, in Waterford, closed in 1996

• The congregations which ran them were the Sisters of Our Lady of Charity, the Congregation of the Sisters of Mercy, the Religious Sisters of Charity and the Sisters of the Good Shepherd

He added that the report found no evidence of sexual abuse in the laundries and that 10% of inmates were sent by their families and 19% entered of their own volition.

The inquiry chaired by Senator Martin McAleese found 2,124 of those detained in the institutions were sent by the authorities.

There will be a debate in the Irish parliament in two weeks time giving members time to read the 1,000-page document

Girls considered "troubled" or what were then called "fallen women" were sent there and did unpaid manual work.

In 2011, the UN Committee Against Torture called on the Irish government to set up an inquiry into the treatment of thousands of women and girls.

In response, the Irish government set up an inter-departmental committee, chaired by Senator Martin McAleese, to establish the facts of the Irish state's involvement with the Magdalene laundries.

Survivors and representative groups, and the religious congregations, co-operated with the departmental committee.

Senator McAleese's inquiry found that half of the girls and women put to work in the laundries were under the age of 23 and 40%, more than 4,000, spent more than a year incarcerated.

Fifteen percent spent more than five years in the laundries while the average stay was calculated at seven months.

The youngest death on record was 15, and the oldest 95, the report found.

Some of the women were sent to laundries more than once, as records show a total of 14,607 admissions, and a total of 8,025 known reasons for being sent to a laundry.

Statistics in the report are based on records of eight of the 10 laundries. The other two, both operated by the Sisters of Mercy in Dun Laoghaire and Galway, were missing substantial records

Women were forced into Magdalene laundries for a crime as minor as not paying for a train ticket, the report found.

The majority of those incarcerated were there for minor offences such as theft and vagrancy.

A small number of the women were there for prostitution.

The report also confirmed that a police officer could arrest a girl or a woman without warrant if she was being recalled to the laundry or if she had run away.

Amnesty International has called for former residents of Magdalene laundry-type institutions in Northern Ireland to come forward to report their experiences to the Historic Institutional Abuse Inquiry.

Amnesty spokesman Patrick Corrigan said: "Those who suffered abuse as children are now eligible to come forward to the inquiry, recently established by the Northern Ireland Executive, and we would encourage them to consider doing so."

Some former inmates rejected Enda Kenny's apology and demanded a fuller and more frank admission from government and the religious orders involved


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-21326221

joeysteele
05-02-2013, 10:02 PM
They were clearly a rotten place to be, actually I was watching a film called 'The Magdalene Sisters', a year or so ago that dealt with this topic.
Even in that, being glossed over, the sinister goings on mentioned were enough to leave the view that they were an unsavoury place to have the misfortune to be sent to.

Niamh.
06-02-2013, 08:55 AM
He won't give a full apology because if he does, he's going to have to pay over compensation to surviving women. I'm a bit torn on this one, while it's horrendous how those women were treated, I don't know where the country (and it will be us, the tax payers footing the bill) is going to get that kind of cash to pay out

Omah
06-02-2013, 09:02 AM
My eyes were opened 10 years ago when I saw "The Magdalene Sisters".

That the system persisted into the "modern" age I found unbelievable.

Ammi
06-02-2013, 09:02 AM
He won't give a full apology because if he does, he's going to have to pay over compensation to surviving women. I'm a bit torn on this one, while it's horrendous how those women were treated, I don't know where the country (and it will be us, the tax payers footing the bill) is going to get that kind of cash to pay out

..that's absolutely true and a very valid point..

arista
06-02-2013, 09:09 AM
He won't give a full apology because if he does, he's going to have to pay over compensation to surviving women. I'm a bit torn on this one, while it's horrendous how those women were treated, I don't know where the country (and it will be us, the tax payers footing the bill) is going to get that kind of cash to pay out



Yes he can not afford that

InOne
06-02-2013, 11:25 AM
There's a good doc called "Sex in a cold climate" about these. Depressiing though...

Vanessa
06-02-2013, 11:28 AM
Ive seen the movie The Magdalene Sisters. It was hard to watch. :sad::sad:

Kizzy
06-02-2013, 11:37 AM
There was something on in relation to this last year sometime, this has been discussed before.
I wouldn't think that relatives would be approaching for compensation though, it was just the times they lived in then?

Niamh.
06-02-2013, 11:39 AM
There was something on in relation to this last year sometime, this has been discussed before.
I wouldn't think that relatives would be approaching for compensation though, it was just the times they lived in then?

This is about a new report that's come out Kizzy and there is talk of women being compensated

Kizzy
06-02-2013, 11:47 AM
Yep just had a look, I just saw the end date! Really shocked.
This will have repercussions too for any youths sent to 'approved schools' also I would have thought?

Ammi
06-02-2013, 11:52 AM
..it's actually not that long ago, that's what makes it so shocking...

Kizzy
06-02-2013, 11:55 AM
Exactly even though 1996 is printed there twice quite clearly, it did not register at all as you don't think these practices existed past the 1950's :shocked:

joeysteele
06-02-2013, 12:38 PM
Ive seen the movie The Magdalene Sisters. It was hard to watch. :sad::sad:

It was Vanessa, I found it near unbelievable people could be so cold and cruel.
Knowing the real facts are likely even worse than the devastation shown in the film just makes you feel even more sad at these places ever being in existence at all.

Ammi
06-02-2013, 12:51 PM
Magdelene survivors reject apology....

Survivors of Catholic run workhouses in Ireland have rejected a government apology for the incarceration of thousands of women in the Magdalene laundries.

As an inquiry found 2,124 of those detained in the institutions were sent there by the state, campaigners accused Taoiseach Enda Kenny of a "cop out".

Records have confirmed that 10,012 women spent time in the laundries between 1922 and 1996. Justice for Magdalenes and Magdalene Survivors Together claimed thousands of women forced into slavery and torture deserved a full state apology and compensation.

Mari Steed, whose mother Josephine Murphy was in a laundry in Sunday's Well, Cork when she was adopted by a family in America, described the Government's response as horrifying, saying: "What we witnessed today was absolutely shameful, I can't recall ever being so angry."

The committee investigating the state's involvement in Magdalene laundries identified five areas of direct involvement in the detention of women in 10 institutions run by nuns: women were detained by courts, gardai, transferred by industrial or reform schools, rejected by foster families, orphaned, abused children, mentally or physically disabled, homeless teenagers or simply poor; inspectors, known as "the suits" by the women, routinely checked conditions complied with rules for factories;

The findings also revealed that the Government paid welfare to certain women in laundries, along with payments for services; women were enabled to leave laundries if they moved to other state-run institutions such as psychiatric hospitals, county and city homes or in the company of police, probation, court or prison officers; and deaths were officially registered - the vast majority were recorded, even in the 1920s, but names may have been recorded under a variation.

The Taoiseach's apology stated: "I'm sorry that this release of pressure and understanding of so many of those women was not done before this, because they were branded as being the fallen women, as they were referred to in this state."

No compensation package for the surviving women, or relatives, has been finalised but it is understood a redress is being put in place.

Maureen Sullivan, of Magdalene Survivors Together, rejected Mr Kenny's apology, and demanded an apology from the state and religious orders for taking her education, name and childhood from her. She said: "That is not an apology. He is the Taoiseach of our country, he is the Taoiseach of the Irish people, and that is not a proper apology."

The Sisters of Our Lady of Charity ran laundries at Drumcondra and Sean MacDermott Street in Dublin, the Sisters of Mercy in Galway and Dun Laoghaire, the Religious Sisters of Charity - the only one of the four to offer an unreserved apology - in Donnybrook, Dublin, and Cork, and the Sisters of the Good Shepherd in Limerick, Cork, Waterford and New Ross. The last laundry closed in 1996, Sean MacDermott Street in Dublin's north inner city

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/magdalene-laundries-report-due-030326316.html

InOne
20-02-2013, 10:54 PM
The Magdalene Sisters is on BBC1 Thursday at 11:25 if anyone is interested.

Omah
21-02-2013, 12:35 AM
The Magdalene Sisters is on BBC1 Thursday at 11:25 if anyone is interested.

Thanks, I am.

Niamh.
21-02-2013, 08:42 AM
Enda Kenny offers a full apology :

http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/full-text-of-enda-kennys-apology-to-the-magdalene-laundries-survivors-585372.html