Paul Gascoigne 'fighting for life in intensive care'

[Mrluvaluva]

Paul Gascoigne is reportedly fighting for his life after suffering a reaction to alcohol withdrawal.The footballer is in intensive care after his organs began to shut down following his arrival at the Meadows Rehabilitation Centre in Phoenix, Arizona, five days ago, The Sun reports.

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/showbiz/news/a457662/paul-gascoigne-fighting-for-life-in-intensive-care.html

Hope he pulls through.

[AnnieK]

Get well soon Gazza.....I hope he pulls through and this gives him the incentive to get clean.....

[Ammi]

..I hope he pulls through, with everything he achieved, his life doesn't seem to have had much happiness in it....

[arista]

Yes he was Drinking to last minute
before going into the place

[lostalex]

Most people don't know how dangerous alcohol withdrawal is. Actually its much more dangerous to come off of alcohol than even coming off of heroin. No one has ever died from heroin withdrawals, but it's very common for people withdrawing from alcohol to have seizures and die.

The brain actually gets used to operatting normal functions like brain funtions, heart functions and lung functions on alcohol, and if you suddenly stop, the body doesn't know how to deal with it, and can literally cause the body to go into shock cause yur body is like "i thought i knew what i was doing, and now all of a sudden things have changed. The body literally freaks out.

No one who is a heavy drinker should stop cold turkey.

[Cherie]

In some ways maybe it would be the kinder option all round were he not to pull through, if it is true he was drinking right up to going into detox he isnt particularly committed to stopping and he has put his family through all kinds of hell over the years.

[lostalex]

In some ways maybe it would be the kinder option all round were he not to pull through, if it is true he was drinking right up to going into detox he isnt particularly committed to stopping and he has put his family through all kinds of hell over the years.

That's a horrible thing to say. Of course he deserves to live. Everyone deserves as many chances as it takes.

[Cherie]

That's a horrible thing to say. Of course he deserves to live. Everyone deserves as many chances as it takes.

It's my opinion, and no its not a horrible thing to say, I can say it as I am not involved with him one way or the other, I'm an outsider looking in so my view is totally unbiased. He has had many chances over the years hes blown every one of them.

[lostalex]

its my opinion, and no its not a horrible thing to say, I can say it as I am not involved with him one way or the other, Im an outsider looking in so my view is totally unbiased. He has had many chances over the years hes blown every one of them.

Have any of us ever lived a day perfectly? Has any one of us lived a day without making at least one mistake?

(i'd just like to point out that i have no idea who we are talking about)

[Omah]

"his organs began to shut down"

That process is not easily reversed.

[Cherie]

Have any of us ever lived a day perfectly? Has any one of us lived a day without making at least one mistake?

Most people learn from their mistakes, we might make that mistake a second, third, or even fourth time, but eventually the penny drops. So you are going into detox for alcoholic addition, so you drink yourself stupid for one last time, does that look like he even wants to quit?

[Marc]

:( poor git, fame really can be awful

[AnnieK]

It just goes to show how dangerous alcohol addiction and once it has a grip on you it is so hard to recover from. So many lives are wasted by it... George Best being another uber talent that died too young from alcohol addiction. Until you have been addicted to something it's difficult to comment on getting clean.... Alcohol is like oxygen to alcoholics, they need it. And yes, he has had many chances and got himself addicted in the furst place but he still deserves a life. I just hope he pulls through and gets clean.

[Marc]

I don't think he'll live for long, even if he pulls through now, he'll have some (if not serious) damage. It won't be long, morbid I know but it'll be surprising if somebody who allegedly downed four bottles of whiskey a day becomes sober and healthy.

[Cherie]

It just goes to show how dangerous alcohol addiction and once it has a grip on you it is so hard to recover from. So many lives are wasted by it... George Best being another uber talent that died too young from alcohol addiction. Until you have been addicted to something it's difficult to comment on getting clean.... Alcohol is like oxygen to alcoholics, they need it. And yes, he has had many chances and got himself addicted in the furst place but he still deserves a life. I just hope he pulls through and gets clean.

Of course he does, but if that life is going to be a continuation of what went before then it must be soul destroying for everyone involved. George Best got some poor sods liver and look what he did with it, someone else out there who was not quite as high profile died as a result and might have made better use of it!

[thesheriff443]

i agree with cherie!, everyone has had bad time's, he had a lot more chance's than most.

[AnnieK]

Of course he does, but if that life is going to be a continuation of what went before then it must be soul destroying for everyone involved. George Best got some poor sods liver and look what he did with it, someone else out there who was not quite as high profile died as a result and might have made better use of it!

I do agree....it must be awful for the families of addicts watching and being unable to reach out and save them.

[Kizzy]

It is really sad but I agree with cherie, the guy has lived his life exactly how he wanted and his actions have shortened it considerably.

[joeysteele]

Alcoholics cannot stop themselves drinking and they keep relapsing becasue they are alcoholics, they wouldn't be an alcoholic if they could self control it.

Paul has a hard road ahead and an extremely long one too, endless in fact. I only hope he sees it through as it has to be his decision really, moreso though I hope he gets and also chooses to surround himself with the right people once he makes any improvement if he is in any way successful.

Cast the aside the so called friends and others who will say, oh one won't hurt you or the even more daft friends who may slip some alcohol into a soft drink he may be having.

I really wish him the very best and I hope things turn out better for him eventually.

[Omah]

I don't think he'll live for long, even if he pulls through now, he'll have some (if not serious) damage. It won't be long, morbid I know but it'll be surprising if somebody who allegedly downed four bottles of whiskey a day becomes sober and healthy.

Yeah, even if it's not quite that much, the damage to his internal organs is irremedial - presumably, he's being "kept" alive at the moment, but once "shut-down" starts, the end of life is frequently near.

[Kizzy]

Alcoholics cannot stop themselves drinking and they keep relapsing becasue they are alcoholics, they wouldn't be an alcoholic if they could self control it.

Paul has a hard road ahead and an extremely long one too, endless in fact. I only hope he sees it through as it has to be his decision really, moreso though I hope he gets and also chooses to surround himself with the right people once he makes any improvement if he is in any way successful.

Cast the aside the so called friends and others who will say, oh one won't hurt you or the even more daft friends who may slip some alcohol into a soft drink he may be having.

I really wish him the very best and I hope things turn out better for him eventually.

I disagree with you here joey, alcoholics can and do stop drinking 2 close friends have done it, and been sober as a judge for 12 and 4 years respectvely.
There is always the chance of relapse and ongoing support is beneficial, but with any addiction if you abstain and exhibit restraint and willpower you can control it.
Like you say avoiding triggers and drinking buddies is a given.

[Me. I Am Salman]

agree with Cherie

[Nedusa]

Alcohol addition is probably the worst addition to have even though most people think heroin is more dangerous . But addiction to alcohol is almost impossible to break as the drug occupies legally every area of our lives. It is seamlessly entangled with all our perceived notions of celebrating and partying. It is also a very dangerous drug as earlier posts in this thread have explained, but taken together with all the psychological problems of withdrawal it is easy to see how alcoholics are never completely cured and are always only one drink away from total relapse.

We sat and watched in the 90's as Paul Gascoigne started celebrating with a drink a little too often and today we see the end result as he battles for life.

I wish him well and hope he can get clean and find a life away from the booze, such a shame as was the best footballer of his generation by a long way.

[joeysteele]

I disagree with you here joey, alcoholics can and do stop drinking 2 close friends have done it, and been sober as a judge for 12 and 4 years respectvely.
There is always the chance of relapse and ongoing support is beneficial, but with any addiction if you abstain and exhibit restraint and willpower you can control it.
Like you say avoiding triggers and drinking buddies is a given.

I bow to that correction kizzy, I should have said a good number likely cannot stop themselves.

I actually was told as I said this point to a family member here with me today after I made the post,that they couldn't and they then too pointed out one of their friends stopped with no professional help at all although friends had rallied to help support them as to stopping.

I now agree with your comment and retract my original one. Thank you kizzy.

[lostalex]

Alcohol addition is probably the worst addition to have even though most people think heroin is more dangerous . But addiction to alcohol is almost impossible to break as the drug occupies legally every area of our lives. It is seamlessly entangled with all our perceived notions of celebrating and partying. It is also a very dangerous drug as earlier posts in this thread have explained, but taken together with all the psychological problems of withdrawal it is easy to see how alcoholics are never completely cured and are always only one drink away from total relapse.

We sat and watched in the 90's as Paul Gascoigne started celebrating with a drink a little too often and today we see the end result as he battles for life.

I wish him well and hope he can get clean and find a life away from the booze, such a shame as was the best footballer of his generation by a long way.


I agree with this. well put.

[Kizzy]

Cheers joey :) It is really really difficult though as said it is so deeply entrenched in British culture now more than ever.
Threre's no way of getting away from it haha, having not drank for a couple of months i've noticed more how every single social event is based around alcohol.
And if you don't drink you are treated like some kind of killjoy :conf:

[Kazanne]

i agree with cherie!, everyone has had bad time's, he had a lot more chance's than most.

THIS^

[Ammi]

..It's true, everyone has bad times but I think some are more emotionally strong than others...we all have different 'crutches' as well..some more harmful to ourselves than others...I don't think it's good to judge how other people handle what causes them pain..there for the grace of god etc....

[Lee.]

My dad died of alcoholism, and I'm pretty sure if it was an easy illness to beat he would have chosen to be part of a loving family and to be see his daughters growing up, but he obviously couldn't. I know a lot of people can and do stop drinking, but I suppose there are stronger folk and there are weaker too. It is a physical addiction rather than a mental one therfore very difficult to just stop suddenly.

I really hope Gazza get well and has some sort of sober life. Like my dad, he's probably not a bad person, just a slave to the demon drink.

[AnnieK]

Sorry for your loss Lee...it must be heartbreaking watching some you love slip away. I agree though addiction and recovery varies massively from person to person and I don't think anyone who hasn't been addicted could ever understand that (and hopefully never will). I find it hard to agree with people believing that an addict has had enough chances but that is personal opinion and I respect it. I just believe that where there's life there's hope. It is a long road that Gazza faces but you never know he may just get there.

[Marcus.]

get well so gazza

[thesheriff443]

Sorry for your loss Lee...it must be heartbreaking watching some you love slip away. I agree though addiction and recovery varies massively from person to person and I don't think anyone who hasn't been addicted could ever understand that (and hopefully never will). I find it hard to agree with people believing that an addict has had enough chances but that is personal opinion and I respect it. I just believe that where there's life there's hope. It is a long road that Gazza faces but you never know he may just get there.

you can choose to fight an addiction,people fighting cancer don't get that choice!

[Kizzy]

I don't see any judging going on... One or two have pointed out very relevant facts , by his own admission in various biographies he has had many periods of sobriety.
If I were to choose to sit in judgement I could peruse the sunday sun and pick out a choice article to post and we could all rip into that?...
Lee, your story had me in tears ... this is such an emotive subject as we all at some piont in varying degrees been affected, and it changes you...
:hug:

[AnnieK]

you can choose to fight an addiction,people fighting cancer don't get that choice!

I agree although I don't really understand why you have chosen that analogy in direct response to my quote. My life has been touched by both illnesses and would say that one family member I lost to cancer was down to an addiction so they became inextricably linked.

[Lee.]

you can choose to fight an addiction,people fighting cancer don't get that choice!

True.. but having the strength to make that choice is the difficult part.


And thanks Annie and Kizzy :hug:

[bbfan1991]

It is a shame:(, although no-one can really help Paul Gascoigne unless he himself wants the help to try and turn this around before he causes his own death on this destructive path.

[Claymores]

I have no forgiveness or sorrow for him after his open attempt to stir sectarian hatred:

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/11/10/article-1084563-026CB546000005DC-421_468x512.jpg

That should have been a staight red card but the referee was probably in the Orange Order too.

[Cherie]

The point here is that lots of ordinary folk who suffer from any kind of addiction, get minimal help, Gazza has "celebrity friends" funding his very expensive rehab, and his respect for this gesture is to rock up at the airport bar to sink a pint as soon as the plane landed (allegedly). It just doesn't appear to me that he really cares about himself or anybody else enough to want to stay sober.

[lostalex]

Am i the only one who is like WTF at people arguing over people who have died.

**** and have some ****ing respect for the dead. If you wanna talk crap about the dead, go post on the Daily Mail. I have no tolerance for it here. I expect better here.

Alcoholism, and all addiction is a Disease, not a choice, and there are plenty of us here that know that first hand. Have some respect, and don't talk about **** that you don't know about.

it's hurtful.

Am i on TiBB or Reddit?? i hope we have higher standards than reddit./ have some respect.

[Cherie]

[QUOTE=lostalex;5822354]Am i the only one who is like WTF at people arguing over people who have died.


The gentleman being discussed is still alive.

[Claymores]

Am i the only one who is like WTF at people arguing over people who have died.

**** and have some ****ing respect for the dead. If you wanna talk crap about the dead, go post on the Daily Mail. I have no tolerance for it here. I expect better here.

Alcoholism, and all addiction is a Disease, not a choice, and there are plenty of us here that know that first hand. Have some respect, and don't talk about **** that you don't know about.

it's hurtful.

Am i on TiBB or Reddit?? i hope we have higher standards than reddit./ have some respect.

As Cherie said and the title is a wee hint, he's not a gonner yet.

Hitler is dead - should we remember him kindly?

[lostalex]

[QUOTE=lostalex;5822354]Am i the only one who is like WTF at people arguing over people who have died.


The gentleman being discussed is still alive.

The conversation that i saw was about how people that have addiction deserve to be dead, and also people talking about family members that have died from addiction. that's what i was responding to.

[lostalex]

As Cherie said and the title is a wee hint, he's not a gonner yet.

Hitler is dead - should we remember him kindly?

i tried to respond to cherie, but she ****ed up her post, so my responses don't even work properly lol.

but anyways, i ws responding to all the people that said it would be better if he died, and also talked about people they know that were addicts that were destructive to people's lives.

[lostalex]

Hitler is dead - should we remember him kindly?

that doesn't even make sense dude. how the hell did you get Hitler out of anything i said???

Hitler killed himself because he was losing the war, he was going to be captured by the allies, how does that equate in ANY WAY to addiction? are you trying to compare addicts to Nazi's???

You've lost me.

[Claymores]

that doesn't even make sense dude. how the hell did you get Hitler out of anything i said???

Hitler killed himself because he was losing the war, he was going to be captured by the allies, how does that equate in ANY WAY to addiction?

You've lost me.

you said we should remember the deceased kindly - I gave an example for you to eulagise on

you're going off on some crazy tangent of what people feel of adickheads

[Marc]

I agree with Cherie

[lostalex]

you said we should remember the deceased kindly - I gave an example for you to eulagise on

you're going off on some crazy tangent of what people feel of adickheads
wow "adickheads" really?

stay classy dude. lol that's so immature and dumb. "adickheads"...sounds like addicts, but with dick heads added to it, cause it sounds sorta similar. so clever. *vomit*

seriously?

[Mrluvaluva]

It must be extremely hard for addicts to try and turn their lives around and stop drinking. The desire and temptation will follow them for the rest of their lives and they will never be free of it. If they really want to overcome it though then I think they should be given every bit of help available. Where should the line be drawn?

[Claymores]

wow "adickheads" really?

stay classy dude. lol that's so immature and dumb. "adickheads"...sounds like addicts, but with dick heads added to it, cause it sounds sorta similar. so clever. *vomit*

seriously?
I knew what I was saying and even if classless I would still classify that sectarian knobend Gazza as adickhead.

Call me immature if you wish, couldn't care less (47 years old by the way) - if some other alcoholic was in death throws this would not be a story.

[Novo]

http://i2.dailyrecord.co.uk/incoming/article1588317.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Paul+Gascoigne.jpg

:worship:

[Claymores]

http://i2.dailyrecord.co.uk/incoming/article1588317.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Paul+Gascoigne.jpg

:worship:

That's not even one of the 5 we're about to remove!

[Novo]

That's not even one of the 5 we're about to remove!

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100329231623/uncyclopedia/images/2/20/Gazza3.jpg

[Mrluvaluva]

Paul Gascoigne*is said to be recovering in hospital following a bad reaction to alcohol withdrawal.

Read more:*http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/showbiz/news/a457662/paul-gascoigne-recovering-in-intensive-care.html#ixzz2KWQauliV*

[lostalex]

wait, paul glasjirefiunsgriu won the super bowl? what?

[hijaxers]

Most people don't know how dangerous alcohol withdrawal is. Actually its much more dangerous to come off of alcohol than even coming off of heroin. No one has ever died from heroin withdrawals, but it's very common for people withdrawing from alcohol to have seizures and die.

The brain actually gets used to operatting normal functions like brain funtions, heart functions and lung functions on alcohol, and if you suddenly stop, the body doesn't know how to deal with it, and can literally cause the body to go into shock cause yur body is like "i thought i knew what i was doing, and now all of a sudden things have changed. The body literally freaks out.

No one who is a heavy drinker should stop cold turkey.

Well what did this - so called de-tox think it was doing then ?
He must have been on the edge of death anyway , cos surely this well known clinic wouldn't have risked his life by total withdrawal - maybe he was closer than anyone realised !!

[the truth]

too many ex addicts are given too many positions of responsibility imho...id rather have experts in the field with good values and experience fo livinga cleaner better life

[joeysteele]

You are right again,Lostalex you have to gradually cut down the alcohol intake and then stop.
Best to be guided by a professional but if someone is strong enough and has the right support from Friends and/or family then they can be successful as Kizzy pointed out earlier but to stop straight away, as you say, can cause all sorts of complications and even death.

[Omah]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21401141

Gascoigne, 45, was taken to hospital after suffering a bad reaction while in Arizona where he is receiving treatment for alcohol addiction.

But his long-term psychotherapist Dr John McKeown said "The hospital has reassured me that he is up and about walking,".

Dr McKeown, who has worked with Gascoigne for more than 10 years, added: "Paul has experienced severe complications with his detoxification.

"This is not unusual for someone who has been drinking as heavily as he has.

"Paul was transferred from the US Clinic Cottonwood to a local hospital to be monitored so as to be completely satisfied that there are no other complications to his health.

"There are no fears for his life. We will aim to keep everyone concerned updated on a regular basis."

Gascoigne's former captain at Tottenham Gary Mabbutt told BBC Sport that he could be discharged in "the next day or two".

"He was put in intensive care where they monitored him," said Mabbutt. "But it wasn't a life-threatening situation and he's now in recovery. He will hopefully be leaving hospital in the next day or two and returning to the clinic to carry on the treatment to his problems."

Just another "scare", then .....

[lostalex]

you can choose to fight an addiction,people fighting cancer don't get that choice!

umm, that sentence doesn't even make sense. People don't choose to have an addiction, just like people don't choose to have cancer, so what are you talking about? Why would someone choose to have an addiction or cancer. neither one are a choice.

-Both are diseases

-Both have environmental and hereditary components

-Cancer can trigger Addiction (lots of people receive pain medication when undergoing cancer treatments become addicted to the pain meds)

-Addiction can trigger Cancer (lung cancer, bowl cancer, liver cancer, esophageal cancer are all triggered by substance abuse)



Actually addiction and cancer are very similar, so your post is kind of silly. no offense. They are both very deadly diseases, and you can't "choose" to get eigther one. Obviously no one would choose it.

[Kizzy]

umm, that sentence doesn't even make sense. People don't choose to have an addiction, just like people don't choose to have cancer, so what are you talking about? Why would someone choose to have an addiction or cancer. neither one are a choice.

-Both are diseases

-Both have environmental and hereditary components

-Cancer can trigger Addiction (lots of people receive pain medication when undergoing cancer treatments become addicted to the pain meds)

-Addiction can trigger Cancer (lung cancer, bowl cancer, liver cancer, esophageal cancer are all triggered by substance abuse)




Actually addiction and cancer are very similar, so your post is kind of silly. no offense. They are both very deadly diseases.

Stop saying people are silly...
It's not that silly I see the point, even though I know that every addiction is unique to the person experiencing it. There is 99/100 a way back from an addiction if you have the correct support. Certain cancers once established though are unstoppable (for the moment).

I understand the inherant componant but not the environmental?

[lostalex]

Stop saying people are silly...
It's not that silly I see the point, even though I know that every addiction is unique to the person experiencing it. There is 99/100 a way back from an addiction if you have the correct support. Certain cancers once established though are unstoppable (for the moment).

I understand the inherant componant but not the environmental?

Umm, actually the vast majority of cancers are survivable Kizzy, i don't know the exact statistics about which is more deadly, cancer or addiction, but i don't think Addiction is as survivable as you think.

But it would be interesting to see the numbers.

And i apologize for using the word silly, now that i read it back, i realize it was patronizing and disrespectful to say.

[Kizzy]

Umm, actually the vast majority of cancers are survivable Kizzy, i don't know the exact statistics about which is more deadly, cancer or addiction, but i don't think Addiction is as survivable as you think.

But it would be interesting to see the numbers.

And i apologize for using the word silly, now that i read it back, i realize it was patronizing and disrespectful to say.

That's why I specifically said certain cancers.
If we were to stick to the topic being discussed alcohol, I would have thought that the liver cirrosis has to be very severe to become life threatening, and a transplant would prevent death in many cases?

[thesheriff443]

deal with your addiction or die!,
just beacuse you where once was famous for being a half decent footballer dont make you better than any other addict who wont fight their addiction.

[Glenn.]

-checks my Death List 2013 nominees-

[Glenn.]

Just checked it and I didn't even list him :bored:

[joeysteele]

Cirrhosis is an irreversable condition of the liver that gradually gets worse until it reaches the final stage and then it is likely death will occur unless a transplant is possible.

A complication of it is that as pressure builds up in the portal vein it can cause bleeding from veins in the oesophagus,those internal bleeds can obviously be fatal too.

Abstention from alcohol is the only way to help survive longer with cirrhosis,however the damage to the liver is permanent, whereas in other conditions the liver can rejuvinate itself but not in cirrhosis.

The usual conditions for a transplant of a liver, when there are livers available are that you have to have been abstaining from alcohol for a good number of months and preferably a year or more.
With cirrhosis your health rarely improves much as you are always likely to find you will have other complications such as enlarged spleens, anaemia and problems with platelets in your blood.

It is a very hard road, firstly to come off alcohol, then to stay off alcohol and indeed certain drugs too,things like paracetamol for instance,are not liver firendly and also when the liver is only working on its reserve,toxins are not removed from the body effectively by it and they can get into the blood stream and cause confusion and memory problems too when they get to the brain.

So Paul's road begins with getting off alcohol and keeping off it, then doing the best you can to help the remaining working part of the liver by dietary means and medication,however liver failure will be the eventual outcome.

So it would seem this is where Paul is at this time,so he will need to prepare himself for a transplant likely some time in the future.
Without that, the prognosis of end stage liver cirrhosis is a grim picture sadly.

From what I have read as to his going into this clinic for treatment and help, it would seem this is the last chance for him likely now, I really hope he does sieze it and I also hope it goes okay for him.

I also hope if he does reach the stage where a transplant is needed in the future and that he gets one, that he will respect that liver and not abuse it in any way afterwards.
I would like to see that outcome for him,he will need massive support though to succeed in beating this.

[Omah]

Cirrhosis is a n irreversable condition of the liver that gradually gets worse until it reaches the final stage and then it is likely death will occur unless a transpalnt is possible.

A complication of it is that as pressure builds up in the portal wein it can cause bleeding from veins in the oesophagus,those internal bleeds can obviously be fatal too.

Abstention from alcohol is the only way to help survive longer with cirrhosis,however the damage to the liver is permanent, whereas in other conditions the liver can rejuvinate itself but not in cirrhosis.

The usual conditions for a transplant of a liver, when there are livers available are that you have to have been abstaining from alcohol for a good number of months and preferably a year or more.
With cirrhosis your health rarely improves much as you are always likely to find you will have other complications such as enlarged spleens, anaemia and problems with platelets in your blood.

It is a very hard road, firstly to come off alcohol, then to stay off alcohol and indeed certain drugs too,things like paracetamol for instance,are not liver firendly and alsowhen the liver is only working on its reserve,toxins are not removed from the body effectively by it and they can get into the blood stream and cause confusion and memory problems too when they get to the brain.

So Paul's road begins with getting off alcohol and keeping off it, then doing the best you can to help the remaining working part of the liver by dietary means and medication,however liver failure will be the eventual outcome.

So it would seem this is where Paul is at this time,so he will need to prepare himself for a transplant likely some time in the future.
Without that, the prognosis of end stage liver cirrhosis is a grim picture sadly.

From what I have read as to his going into this clinic for treatment and help, it would seem this is the last chance for him likely now, I really hope he does sieze it and I also hope it goes okay for him.

I also hope if he does reach the stage where a transplant is needed on the future and that he gets one that he will respect that liver and not abuse it in any way afterwards.
I would like to see that outcome for him,he will need massive support though to succeed in beating this.



Are you a doctor?

:puzzled:

[joeysteele]

Are you a doctor?

:puzzled:

No, but one of my Uncles is a consulatant hepatologist.

[Omah]

No, but one of my Uncles is a consulatant (sic) hepatologist.

I wondered when I couldn't find out what a "portal wein" was ..... :laugh2:

I rather think you should have mentioned your source rather than pretend to know all about it ..... :pipe:

[Claymores]

No, but one of my Uncles is a consulatant hepatologist.

good stuff joey - so you're virtually a consultant. My cousin's husband is a GP - when can I start handing out the meds?

[joeysteele]

I wondered when I couldn't find out what a "portal wein" was ..... :laugh2:

I rather think you should have mentioned your source rather than pretend to know all about it ..... :pipe:

Rather childish to point out a typing error, Omah, very below the belt, also since I like to use my own words and my own knowledge gained from talking to people who do know about these things rather than fill the forum with newpaper cuttings.

Perhaps you are right that I should have mentioned that I talked to my Uncle on this issue, he was staying with me yesterday and he is a great admirer of Paul Gascoigne and since I have posted on here on Paul's illness on this thread,I got talking to him as to Paul's likely condition.
So interested in the issue was I that we talked for hours as he explained and 'educated' me as to the likely condition of Paul. So in the end I did gain the knowledge for myself and therefore shared it, never ever stating either that I am an expert on the subject though just sharing what I had learned.

So to everyone reading this post,since Omah has pulled me up again, the post I made above was made after talking at length to a very knowledgable relation of mine who I learned a great deal from as to this subject.

Someone earlier in the thread, I think it was kizzy said something about not being sure of cirrhosis on some points, so although she likely knew a fair bit I feel sure she at least would be interested in parts of the post I made.

We all learn in life Omah, that is in fact where our knowledge on matters comes from, from learning from someone else,that is what I have done and even my knowledge of politics and law comes from learning from others and experiences of going searching for myself for facts as I chose to do with my Uncle on this issue too.

In the end though, because I gain that knowledge, rather than just copy and post what I read,I can then be able to speak about what I learn in my own words,not being offensive but maybe you could try that some time too.
All best wishes to you but I would prefer really if you ignored me as I generally do you Omah especially if you can only be sarcastic and attempt to belittle other people.

[Kizzy]

The prognosis is better if you can abstain and change your lifestyle as this lady has..
http://www.webmd.boots.com/a-to-z-guides/tc/cirrhosis-i-havent-touched-a-drop-for-three-years-now
"I stopped drinking alcohol completely and haven't touched a drop for three years now. Doctors thought I would need a liver transplant but, remarkably, it has regenerated and functions really well now''

It is a tall order for paul.

[Ammi]

..well done on your post and taking the time to learn about the medical facts Joey..I found it a very interesting read....

[Kizzy]

Rather childish to point out a typing error, Omah, very below the belt, also since I like to use my own words and my own knowledge gained from talking to people who do know about these things rather than fill the forum with newpaper cuttings.

Perhaps you are right that I should have mentioned that I talked to my Uncle on this issue, he was staying with me yesterday and he is a great admirer of Paul Gascoigne and since I have posted on here on Paul's illness on this thread,I got talking to him as to Paul's likely condition.
So interested in the issue was I that we talked for hours as he explained and 'educated' me as to the likely condition of Paul. So in the end I did gain the knowledge for myself and therefore shared it, never ever stating either that I am an expert on the subject though just sharing what I had learned.

So to everyone reading this post,since Omah has pulled me up again, the post I made above was made after talking at length to a very knowledgable relation of mine who I learned a great deal from as to this subject.

Someone earlier in the thread, I think it was kizzy said something about not being sure of cirrhisis on some points, so although she likely knew a fair bit I feel sure she at least would be interested in parts of the post I made.

We all learn in life Omah, that is in fact where our knowledge on matters comes from, from learning from someone else,that is what I have done and even my knowledge of politics and law comes from learning from others and experiences of going searching for myself for facts as I chose to do with my Uncle on this issue too.

In the end though, because I gain that knowledge, rather than just copy and post what I read,I can then be able to speak about what I learn in my own words,not being offensive but maybe you could try that some time too.
All best wishes to you but I would prefer really if you ignored me as I generally do you Omah especially if you can only be sarcastic and attempt to belittle other people.

I was very interested thankyou joey :) I have been researching for the past hour on the subject haha.
Your reasoned points are what most gravitate towards rather than 'cuttings' it always annoys me when there are snippits of article with no opinion from the OP.

[Omah]

Rather childish to point out a typing error, Omah, very below the belt, also since I like to use my own words and my own knowledge gained from talking to people who do know about these things rather than fill the forum with newpaper cuttings.

Perhaps you are right that I should have mentioned that I talked to my Uncle on this issue, he is was staying with me yesterday and he is a great admirer of Paul Gascoigne and since I have posted on here on Paul's illness on this thread,I got talking to him as to Paul's likely condition.
So interested in the issue was I that we talked for hours as he explained and 'educated' me as to the likely condition of Paul. So in the end I did gain the knowledge for myself and therefore shared it, never ever stating either that I am an expert on the subject though just sharing what I had learned.

So to everyone reading this post,since Omah has pulled me up again, the post I made above was made after talking at length to a very knowledgable relation of mine who I learned a great deal from as to this subject.

Someone earlier in the thread, I think it was kizzy said something about not being sure of cirrhisis on some points, so although she likely knew a fair bit I feel sure she at least would be interested in parts of the post I made.

We all learn in life Omah, that is in fact where our knowledge on matters comes from, from learning from someone else,that is what I have done and even my knowledge of politics and law comes from learning from others and experiences of going searching for myself for facts as I chose to do with my Uncle on this issue too.

In the end though, because I gain that knowledge, rather than just copy and post what I read,I can then be able to speak about what I learn in my own words,not being offensive but maybe you could try that some time too.
All best wishes to you but I would prefer really if you ignored me as I generally do you Omah especially if you can only be sarcastic and attempt to belittle other people.

The problem is that "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing" and while you paraphrased the gleanings from your "uncle", you repeated them with so many spelling and grammatical mistakes (and possibly technical, too) that I, for one was not taken in, but the more gullible FMs may have inferred from your pomposity that you knew what you were talking about.

As for "your own words", I suspect, again, that for the most part that you are merely regurgitating those of others without recourse to the courtesy of disclosure and acknowledgement.

As for "learning in life", do not try to teach your grandma to suck eggs.

:pipe:

[Omah]

I was very interested thankyou joey :) I have been researching for the past hour on the subject haha.

That'll make you an expert, too, then ..... :joker:

Your reasoned points are what most gravitate towards rather than 'cuttings' it always annoys me when there are snippits of article with no opinion from the OP.

"Opinions" are often unsubstantiated assertions or poorly punctuated plagiarism which serve only to intimidate or impress the gullible.

:pipe:

[Claymores]

The problem is that "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing" and while you paraphrased the gleanings from your "uncle", you repeated them with so many spelling and grammatical mistakes (and possibly technical, too) that I, for one was not taken in, but the more gullible FMs may have inferred from your pomposity that you knew what you were talking about.

As for "your own words", I suspect, again, that for the most part that you are merely regurgitating those of others without recourse to the courtesy of disclosure and acknowledgement.

As for "learning in life", do not try to teach your grandma to suck eggs.

:pipe:

Agreed on this ocassion Omah

[Kizzy]

"Opinions" are often unsubstantiated assertions or poorly punctuated plagiarism which serve only to intimidate or impress the gullible.

:pipe:[/QUOTE]

Opinions based on relevant, reputable information backed by supporting evidence is never intimidating omah, unless you are arrogant enough to profess not to need them?
Are you impressed? :pipe:

[QUOTE=Omah;5824520]That'll make you an expert, too, then ..... :joker:


Not at all... It just makes me less ignorant to the facts omah.

[joeysteele]

The problem is that "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing" and while you paraphrased the gleanings from your "uncle", you repeated them with so many spelling and grammatical mistakes (and possibly technical, too) that I, for one was not taken in, but the more gullible FMs may have inferred from your pomposity that you knew what you were talking about.

As for "your own words", I suspect, again, that for the most part that you are merely regurgitating those of others without recourse to the courtesy of disclosure and acknowledgement.

As for "learning in life", do not try to teach your grandma to suck eggs.

:pipe:

You are really being offensive now,kindly stop and ignore me,I do not force you or anyone else to read what I post.
Had I quoted and used my Uncles words Omah, the post would have been filled with likely words even you may not understand as to strong detailed medical terminology.

I don't ever try to teach anyone anything, or pull them up on unimportant typing errors or the odd spelling error.
I get no complaints as to my Uni work when I submit it and rarely get pulled up as to grammar and spelling too there.
As for being pompous, that is one of the last things I am.

I feel you should try to stop derailing this thread and getting at me.
For some reason you have a dislike of myself and being totally frank as to that I can tell you I won't ever lose a single second of sleep worrying as to that.

However, have you anything more to say as to Paul Gascoigne and his illness or have you hijacked this thread just to be offensive to me personally?

[Omah]

Opinions based on relevant, reputable information backed by supporting evidence is never intimidating omah, unless you are arrogant enough to profess not to nee them?
Are you impressed? :pip Where is the e:

Where is the "relevant, reputable information backed by supporting evidence" ..... :conf:

[Claymores]

That'll make you an expert, too, then ..... :joker:



"Opinions" are often unsubstantiated assertions or poorly punctuated plagiarism which serve only to intimidate or impress the gullible.

:pipe:

oof sore one -joey's uncle will be along in a second to prove you wrong Omah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! My cousins's husband has some ideas too!

[Shaun]

only on TiBB could a thread about Paul Gascoigne deteriorate into petty comments about members' uncles.

[joeysteele]

only on TiBB could a thread about Paul Gascoigne deteriorate into petty comments about members' uncles.

I agree it is ridiculous.
It is why I left my Uncle out of the equation Shaun, my Uncle is not a member and will never be likely.
I don't have to however prove anything to Omah as no one else on the forum has to either, as I am pretty sure you would more than likely not agree with that too.

[Claymores]

You are really being offensive now,kindly stop and ignore me,I do not force you or anyone else to read what I post.
Had I quoted and used my Uncles words Omah, the post would have been filled with likely words even you may not understand as to strong detailed medical terminology.

I don't ever try to teach anyone anything, or pull them up on unimportant typing errors or the odd spelling error.
I get no complaints as to my Uni work when I submit it and rarely get pulled up as to grammar and spelling too there.
As for being pompous, that is one of the last things I am.

I feel you should try to stop derailing this thread and getting at me.
For some reason you have a dislike of myself and being totally frank as to that I can tell you I won't ever lose a single second of sleep worrying as to that.

However, have you anything more to say as to Paul Gascoigne and his illness or have you hijacked this thread just to be offensive to me personally?

please don't take it to heart joey - you gave as best you could then the silly bit that your uncle is a consultant

(My uncle is Obama but I don't like to talk of his US foreign policy too much on TiBB)

[Ammi]

..a member has taken the time to ask and learn about something from someone who has valid medical experience, rather than just copy and paste an article...whatever is felt about the topic or Paul Gascoigne himself and his case, I think it should be shown some respect that Joey has done that....

[joeysteele]

Where is the "relevant, reputable information backed by supporting evidence" ..... :conf:

My word is reputable, not reputable to you but then fact I take little notice of your posts if I am honest but I will always defend myself as is my right when anyone gets at me.
You are just now really and unnecessarily being highly offensive.

[Omah]

You are really being offensive now,kindly stop and ignore me,I do not force you or anyone else to read what I post.
Had I quoted and used my Uncles words Omah, the post would have been filled with likely words even you may not understand as to strong detailed medical terminology.?

I have a biology degree - does that help?

I don't ever try to teach anyone anything, or pull them up on unimportant typing errors or the odd spelling error.
I get no complaints as to my Uni work when I submit it and rarely get pulled up as to grammar and spelling too there.
As for being pompous, that is one of the last things I am.

If you say so .....

I feel you should try to stop derailing this thread and getting at me.
For some reason you have a dislike of myself and being totally frank as to that I can tell you I won't ever lose a single second of sleep worrying as to that.

I belive that YOU derailed the thread by seemingly repeating hearsay from an alleged uncle about cirrhosis, which, AFAIK, had not previously been mentioned on the thread (certainly there was no quote or link).

However, have you anything more to say as to Paul Gascoigne and his illness or have you hijacked this thread just to be offensive to me personally?

Well, if you're interested, my ex-wife was an alcoholic who cost the NHS tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of pounds in treatment and rehabilitation before she died of multiple organ failure.

Even spending 26 weeks at Clouds (http://www.actiononaddiction.org.uk/Treatment/Clouds-House.aspx) failed, in the end to help her.

As you see, I have personal experience of the topic.

[Ammi]

..and also the comment about 'sucking eggs'....it's extremely offensive to talk down to someone because of their age...age does not mean knowledge...

[Omah]

My word is reputable, not reputable to you but then fact I take little notice of your posts if I am honest but I will always defend myself as is my right when anyone gets at me.
You are just now really and unnecessarily being highly offensive.

YOU are being defensive and aggressive.

[Omah]

..and also the comment about 'sucking eggs'....it's extremely offensive to talk down to someone because of their age...age does not mean knowledge...

It does, in my case.

Age also means personal experience, in my case.

[Kizzy]

Where is the "relevant, reputable information backed by supporting evidence" ..... :conf:

In my post omah, there is a link to a NHS website with a casestudy, Is that not enough?

[Claymores]

IWell, if you're interested, my ex-wife was an alcoholic who cost the NHS tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of pounds in treatment and rehabilitation before she died of multiple organ failure.

Even spending 26 weeks at Clouds (http://www.actiononaddiction.org.uk/Treatment/Clouds-House.aspx) failed, in the end to help her.

As you see, I have personal experience of the topic.

Bad news to read this Omah - sorry for your experience

[Ammi]

..well, in my opinion, which is all most of us have anyway...having a personal experience of something only makes us very biased on a subject because emotions etc cloud our impartiality...I feel that Joey has given a very impartial and unbiased opinion and also researched into it as well....something I very much respect....

[joeysteele]

please don't take it to heart joey - you gave as best you could then the silly bit that your uncle is a consultant

(My uncle is Obama but I don't like to talk of his US foreign policy too much on TiBB)

I don't need to respond to this but in any effect I did not even mention my Uncle being a Consultant until Omah childishly got at me.

You may be interested to learn however that this Uncle I am referring to is a Consultant, specialising in Liver and Gastro-intestinal medicine.
I have another Uncle who is a GP and a Cousin who is a Junior Doctor.

I have no less than 6 other Cousins who are Nurses. Whether you accept that or not is your affair and your problem but it certainly is not mine.
However I do sincereley hope you and Omah are not inferring I am lying!

I see no need for sarcasm and I resent even just being inferred to as a liar by anyone ,I also will not take that or put up with up either.

[Niamh.]

There are plenty of people who believe you and are interested in hearing your experiences Joey, just ignore the rest :love:

[Claymores]

I don't need to respond to this but in any effect I did not even mention my Uncle being a Consultant until Omah childishly got at me.

You may be interested to learn however that this Uncle I am referring to is a Consultant, specialising in Liver and Gastro-intestinal medicine.
I have another Uncle who is a GP and a Cousin who is a Junior Doctor.

I have no less than 6 other Cousins who are Nurses. Whether you accept that or not is your affair and your problem but it certainly is not mine.
However I do sincereley hope you and Omah are not inferring I am lying!

I see no need for sarcasm and I resent even just being inferred to as a liar by anyone ,I also will not take that or put up with up either.

joey - you are a clever young man with much to add to TiBB - don't worry!

[joeysteele]

There are plenty of people who believe you and are interested in hearing your experiences Joey, just ignore the rest :love:

Thank you Niamh, I can prove to you and other Mods that I am correct in what I am saying.
Thank you for that Niamh.

[Ammi]

joey - you are a clever young man with much to add to TiBB - don't worry!

..lovely post Ian..and so very true...:love:

[Niamh.]

Thank you Niamh, I can prove to you and other Mods that I am correct in what I am saying.
Thank you for that Niamh.

You don't need to do that, I have no doubt that most people who know you on here, don't doubt you for a second

[Omah]

..well, in my opinion, which is all most of us have anyway...having a personal experience of something only makes us very biased on a subject because emotions etc cloud our impartiality...I feel that Joey has given a very impartial and unbiased opinion and also researched into it as well....something I very much respect....

Well, you are entitled to your "opinion", which seems to be based, in this case, on poorly reproduced hearsay .....

[Ammi]

Thank you Niamh, I can prove to you and other Mods that I am correct in what I am saying.
Thank you for that Niamh.

..you don't have anything to prove to anyone Joey...your opinion/views are always very much respected...and always gained from researching from good sources...well done on your post..and having that chat with your uncle..!!...

[Kizzy]

Omah, if you have the education and the experience to contribute valuable information and advice on this topic ,why have you chosen to scoff at other members and post your usual array of smilies?

[Ammi]

Well, you are entitled to your "opinion", which seems to be based, in this case, on poorly reproduced hearsay .....



....ahh, ok Omah...I find on most topics that a closed mind will always gain very limited knowledge..but of course, that is just my opinion....

[Omah]

I don't need to respond to this but in any effect I did not even mention my Uncle being a Consultant until Omah childishly got at me.

No, I didn't get at you - I was suspicious of poorly spelt, badly punctuated, technically incorrect and inadequate summary of a highly complex disease.

[Kizzy]

Anyone else like to wade in?..... :idc:

[Niamh.]

No, I didn't get at you - I was suspicious of poorly spelt, badly punctuated, technically incorrect and inadequate summary of a highly complex disease.

Ok that's enough now.

Can we get back on topic please everyone

[Claymores]

Ok that's enough now.

Can we get back on topic please everyone

What joe said

[Kizzy]

Ok that's enough now.

Can we get back on topic please everyone

Soz didn't see this get rid of that if you want naimh...

[Niamh.]

Soz didn't see this get rid of that if you want naimh...

No worries

[Kizzy]

I didn't mean it literally!...haha