Would you save your dog's/cat's life over a random strangers?

[Apple202]

jw

[Black Dagger]

I don't have a dog or a cat.

[Marcus.]

random stranger i would save

[Apple202]

Well this isn't the thread for you my friend

[Kazanne]

My dog in a flash,LOL

[Apple202]

Same, ***** da person

[Marcus.]

Well this isn't the thread for you my friend

:joker:

[Kizzy]

Are you saying my dogs life is worth less than a humans?....

[Marcus.]

Are you saying my dogs life is worth less than a humans?....

i think you going for the dog

[Apple202]

Are you saying my dogs life is worth less than a humans?....

No seeing as though I've already voted to save my dog :suspect:

[Jesus.]

It's actually a really interesting question Apple. I'm undecided at the moment, but I think I'm leaning towards my cat. I'd put family first, and my cat is part of my family, a stranger isn't. Although if the stranger is a grateful, attractive, female, then all bets are off. I'm sick of buying food for that ungrateful SOaB.

[Jack_]

See in an ideal world animals would be on the same level as humans and this inherent feeling of being a superior species wouldn't exist. But I don't know, there's just something odd about the concept of saving an animal's life over a human one. It just doesn't feel right. I could never do it.

[reece(:]

See if it was a child's life, I'd save them but otherwise I could never not save my dog. :(

[Redway]

The pet's life.

[Cherie]

I think I would try to save both, and probably end up dead myself, while they walked away without a scratch.

[Me. I Am Salman]

Human. I don't know how anybody could live with themselves otherwise.

[Munchkins]

Of course. Animals> most humans

[Jesus.]

Human. I don't know how anybody could live with themselves otherwise.

What if the human was wearing an "I hate Rhianna" T-shirt?

[Apple202]

Of course. Animals> most humans

:worship:

[Jake.]

Don't have a dog and my cats annoy me to death, so the human

[Munchkins]

Animals aren't insulting or cause crimes and arent hateful ok

[Marcus.]

Animals aren't insulting or cause crimes and arent hateful ok

yeah but i would feel really bad if like jh95 said and do help the human

[Jake.]

Animals aren't insulting or cause crimes and arent hateful ok

My cat insults me by pissing and ****ting next to the litter tray

[Munchkins]

My cat insults me by pissing and ****ting next to the litter tray

Shut up animal abuser :hmph:

[Marcus.]

My cat insults me by pissing and ****ting next to the litter tray

yep and pooing

[Me. I Am Salman]

What if the human was wearing an "I hate Rhianna" T-shirt?

I'd still save them, who is Rhianna?

[Jake.]

Shut up animal abuser :hmph:

If it was an animal which I truly loved (like my dogs in the past) then I'd put more thought in to it. But an 11 year old cat does not have the same value as a human who has a mother, father, children and whatever else

[Marcus.]

If it was an animal which I truly loved (like my dogs in the past) then I'd put more thought in to it. But an 11 year old cat does not have the same value as a human who has a mother, father, children and whatever else

this^

[Munchkins]

If it was an animal which I truly loved (like my dogs in the past) then I'd put more thought in to it. But an 11 year old cat does not have the same value as a human who has a mother, father, children and whatever else

The person you're saving could be a killer!

[Jake.]

The person you're saving could be a killer!

Yes, or he/she could be the nicest person to have walked the earth, we just don't know :p

[Redway]

Human. I don't know how anybody could live with themselves otherwise.

To be fair, that argument works both ways. The vast majority of humans have no problem/s with the killing and eating of animals, so I'm sure the same principle would apply here to many.

[Me. I Am Salman]

Saving your pet over somebody who could have children, parents, siblings, a wife/husband, and their whole life ahead them is in my opinion disgusting, disturbing and selfish

[Jake.]

Saving your pet over somebody who could have children, parents, siblings, a wife/husband, and their whole life ahead them is in my opinion disgusting, disturbing and selfish

I do slightly agree with this, although the bond that some have with their pets is a very strong one, I know some who are closer to their pets than humans

[Redway]

It's a bit different when it hits closer to home though. If you were to substitute the animal for a close friend/family member, would you honestly rather save the stranger than those you know well?

[Saph]

I'd still save them, who is Rhianna?

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdhlzjgSHT1qltqg1.gif

[Me. I Am Salman]

We like Rihanna not Rhianna

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdhlzjgSHT1qltqg1.gif

[Jake.]

It's a bit different when it hits closer to home though. If you were to substitute the animal for a close friend/family member, would you honestly rather save the stranger than those you know well?

It depends on the situation. Although I'd be going through so much pain, I also know what the strangers family and friends would be going through. If it boiled down to it though, I'd end up saving the person close to me.

[Saph]

We like Rihanna not Rhianna

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdhlzjgSHT1qltqg1.gif

:shocked:

I deserved that

[Jesus.]

:shocked:

I deserved that

That's it honey, enjoy that smack to the face.

[Me. I Am Salman]

I do slightly agree with this, although the bond that some have with their pets is a very strong one, I know some who are closer to their pets than humans

I would still make that sacrifice though, I know it would be a hard one but in the end of the day it's the right thing to do. Humans have longer lives and have much more to live for so they're way more valuable

[Me. I Am Salman]

:shocked:

I deserved that

You ****ing did

[Jake.]

I would still make that sacrifice though, I know it would be a hard one but in the end of the day it's the right thing to do. Humans have longer lives and have much more to live for so they're way more valuable

On yeah I would, was just saying I can see why some would have more of a problem doing it

[Glenn.]

I would save my dog over anyone :idc:

[joeysteele]

I really love my Dog and I also know if I was in trouble or unconscious he would alert someone to my plight if he could.
I would have to save my pet first,however I would do all I could to save both if it was in any way humanly possible to do so.

[Apple202]

Saving your pet over somebody who could have children, parents, siblings, a wife/husband, and their whole life ahead them is in my opinion disgusting, disturbing and selfish

But that pet could have children, parents, siblings, a mate and could have it's whole life ahead of it - why isn't killing that disturbing? And who's to judge what has more to live for anyway?

[Roy Mars III]

The person you're saving could be a killer!

so could the animal

[Roy Mars III]

I would save the person's life rather than my pets. As much as I like my pets, they are just animals

[reece(:]

I would save the person's life rather than my pets. As much as I like my pets, they are just animals
we're just animals :shrug:

[MTVN]

Hard one, human lives are more valuable than animals but I have more attachment to my cat than I do a random person, which might make me want to save my cat if the situation arose even though it'd be very selfish

[Apple202]

Why are human's lives worth more than that of animals? :conf: I don't get this perception

[MTVN]

Lots of reasons really, humans contribute to society by working, paying tax, through their general involvement in communities, having much more opportunity to influence events and circumstances etc. plus they have much longer lifespans, have larger social circles, connections and families, and they have increased intelligence, emotions, awareness etc. etc.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

erm my dog/cat is better than them

[Apple202]

All of that is just based from a human perspective - does anything else care about human communities or paying taxes? Why should because they are involved in human social circles should effect whether they should be saved or not?

Surely in terms of the environment, the life of the pet and/or other animals is worth more than a human which is just destroying and depleting all the resources in the world..

[Kizzy]

Lots of reasons really, humans contribute to society by working, paying tax, through their general involvement in communities, having much more opportunity to influence events and circumstances etc. plus they have much longer lifespans, have larger social circles, connections and families, and they have increased intelligence, emotions, awareness etc. etc.

dog's contriute to society, some work and they are great companions.
They have social circles and emotions.
My dog is 100% worth more than some people I know tbh :idc:

And... dogs can smell cancer ... can humans smell cancer?...

http://www.nhs.uk/news/2011/08August/Pages/dogs-smell-test-for-lung-cancer.aspx

[MTVN]

Humans are capable of much more sophisticated and abstract thought though, it's why we've been able to progress so much, discover so much, learn so much, create so much etc. humans as a species are able to do so much more than animals are

[Me. I Am Salman]

dog's contriute to society, some work and they are great companions.
They have social circles and emotions.
My dog is 100% worth more than some people I know tbh :idc:

And... dogs can smell cancer ... can humans smell cancer?...

http://www.nhs.uk/news/2011/08August/Pages/dogs-smell-test-for-lung-cancer.aspx

Can a dog carry out chemotherapy?

[GypsyGoth]

I wouldn't save either of them, they should both be able to look after themselves.

[Josy]

I'm just wondering to all those have said they would save a dog/cat before a human, would you be able to handle the guilt of another human being dying if you solely could have prevented it, would you feel any guilt at all?

[Kizzy]

Humans are capable of much more sophisticated and abstract thought though, it's why we've been able to progress so much, discover so much, learn so much, create so much etc. humans as a species are able to do so much more than animals are

We are animals, and it's hard to know what other species are thinking or feeling I guess.
Dogs are highly intelligent creatures though, and I can well understand why some would prefer their company to other humans lol

[Apple202]

I'm just wondering to all those have said they would save a dog/cat before a human, would you be able to handle the guilt of another human being dying if you solely could have prevented it, would you feel any guilt at all?

I'd feel guilty at first, then I'd get over it

[MTVN]

I know we're technically animals, I'm just making the distinction for convenience

[Josy]

I'd feel guilty at first, then I'd get over it

Hmm would you though? I think for most people it wouldnt be as easy as just getting over it tbh.

[Kizzy]

I know we're technically animals, I'm just making the distinction for convenience

Well, thanks for that ;)

[MTVN]

My pleasure kizzy

[Jessica.]

I love my cat so much, I would definitely save her.

[Apple202]

Hmm would you though? I think for most people it wouldnt be as easy as just getting over it tbh.

I don't know. I know that I would feel guilty and probably awful for at least a few months, and maybe I wouldn't get over it... but maybe i would :shrug: lol i have no idea

But I'd still save my dog

[joeysteele]

I'm just wondering to all those have said they would save a dog/cat before a human, would you be able to handle the guilt of another human being dying if you solely could have prevented it, would you feel any guilt at all?

Very good point. speaking for myself, I would feel really guilty at not being able to save all in trouble.
I would though too feel awfully guilty and equally sad at not being able to save my pet either.
It's a likely no win situation really I guess.

Very thought provoking point though Josy.

[Kizzy]

I'm just wondering to all those have said they would save a dog/cat before a human, would you be able to handle the guilt of another human being dying if you solely could have prevented it, would you feel any guilt at all?

I may feel remorse, regret, pity, guilt... but I made my decision.

[Niamh.]

No of course not, I love my dogs but a person would always come first

[Niamh.]

wow can't believe the Poll results, that's pretty shocking tbh

[Niamh.]

Are you saying my dogs life is worth less than a humans?....

Yes.

[SharkAttack]

This is one of those 'impossible things to know unless it actually happened' kind of polls. I'd say I would love to save an adult, or child who is drowning over my beloved dog or cat(I've had both,) because it makes sense. But I'd most likely go freestyling after my dog the second he went in, as a natural instinct. He's my kid, in this case. However, a screaming 3 year-old is probably going to sway me from the pet, or a screaming man/woman.

No offense Apple, but this is a **** question, because it's not something you can answer honestly or declare at any moment, without it happening in real time. Hypotheticals are fun but usually nonsense. :D

[Marc]

I'd save my dog and by the looks of it others would, over saving my life so I don't feel too bad.

[AnnieK]

I'd have to save the person as karma is a bitch and I would hate to save my pet only to find myself drowning the week later and someone saving their dog over me....

[Niamh.]

I'd have to save the person as karma is a bitch and I would hate to save my pet only to find myself drowning the week later and someone saving their dog over me....

haha exactly.

I really can't believe people are saying they'd save their pet over another human, I'd like to think that if they were actually in the situation they'd change there mind.

[Marc]

haha exactly.

I really can't believe people are saying they'd save their pet over another human, I'd like to think that if they were actually in the situation they'd change there mind.

Nope, goodbye. :laugh:

[Niamh.]

Nope, goodbye. :laugh:

I don't believe that. Imagine if your sister drowned and you found out after that there was someone there who could have saved her but they decided to save their dog instead, would you think Oh I understand that, I would have done the same or would you be mad as hell? :laugh:

[Marc]

Oh I understand, I would have done the same.

[Niamh.]

Oh I understand, I would have done the same.

I don't believe you :suspect:

[Kizzy]

Yes.

Well that's your opinion. This is just a hypothetical though in the situation who knows...
Read once of a guy who jumped in to save his dog and he drowned... the dog paddled to the side and lived, knowing my luck that would happen to me haha.

[Niamh.]

Well that's your opinion. This is just a hypothetical though in the situation who knows...
Read once of a guy who jumped in to save his dog and he drowned... the dog paddled to the side and lived, knowing my luck that would happen to me haha.

Yes it absolutely is my opinion and I'd hope that most people would agree with me especially if one of my loved ones needed saving lol ........

[Me. I Am Salman]

The funny thing is most people who are barging on about animals lives being equally valuable to humans' are probably meat eaters.

[Jesus.]

In-group versus out-group.

Hypothetical for Niamh - a week before this scenario takes place there is a fire at your house and one of your children is trapped inside, The dog runs in and pulls him out. Does that change your decision?

[Niamh.]

In-group versus out-group.

Hypothetical for Niamh - a week before this scenario takes place there is a fire at your house and one of your children is trapped inside, The dog runs in and pulls him out. Does that change your decision?

No.

[Jesus.]

The funny thing is most people who are barging on about animals lives being equally valuable to humans' are probably meat eaters.

What does this have to do with anything? It was the introduction of cooked meat into our diets that aided the growth of our brains. Meat has played a huge part in our evolution.

[Jesus.]

No.

Dog murderer.

Remind me never to do you a favour.

[Marc]

No.

That's a hero dog

[Niamh.]

You two make me sick tbh :idc:

[Tom4784]

I'd save the stranger.

[Kizzy]

Yes it absolutely is my opinion and I'd hope that most people would agree with me especially if one of my loved ones needed saving lol ........

Well I hope I'm not walking past your family with my dog when a freak wave hits ....Apologies in advance :joker:

[Niamh.]

Well I hope I'm not walking past your family with my dog when a freak wave hits ....Apologies in advance haha

Just know if that ever happens, I'll be coming for you :idc:

[LemonJam]

Wow... well I wasn't expecting that result.

I'd choose the person without a doubt.

[Ammi]

..I don't think I would ever save an animal's life over a humans...

[joeysteele]

I haven't voted in the poll because I don't take the view that my Dog is better than a human.
I would obviously try my total best to save anyone or any pet in a life threatening situation, in this hypothetical poser since it is specifically my pet at risk of losing its life then I would definitely set out to save him first.
Hopefully I may have a chance to save the person too but as Kizzy said earlier, I would have made my choice and would have to live with that.

I also know though that my Dog would likely be the one to get help for me if I was in difficulty.
I absolutely adore him and wouldn't let anyone hurt him, let alone leave him to die if I had a chance to save him myself.

[Apple202]

Eurgh why do some people have this inherent feeling of superiority just because they're people

[Marcus.]

Eurgh why do some people have this inherent feeling of superiority just because they're people

no apple
some of us fell we have to same a human being

[Jesus.]

uWT2qHVftGk

[Roy Mars III]

Eurgh why do some people have this inherent feeling of superiority just because they're people

humans are superior

[joeysteele]

That's a good find Jesus, I actually haven't heard that song before, I like it.

[Munchkins]

Oh and Salman that point is idiotic tbh, its different eating meat, as you dont have an emotional atttachment to that animal you're consuming, plus the animals you are eating most likely wont be the type of domesticated pets you own, so its different

[Apple202]

humans are superior

no, they're not.

[Marcus.]

they are both the same

[Marc]

no, they're not.
lol they sort of are, hence why we OWN pets

[Iceman]

Humans all the time.... mainly because without humans we'd be ****ed. I dont see cats and dogs releasing Phones, Computers, driving buses and generally keeping the world going.

[Cherie]

lol they sort of are, hence why we OWN pets

You sure about that, I bet your cat/dog isn't buying and serving your dinner or paying the vet bills.

[Apple202]

Cherie :worship:

lol they sort of are, hence why we OWN pets

How does owning something make us superior? lol

[Marcus.]

Cherie :worship:



How does owning something make us superior? lol

i have no idea apple

[Apple202]

Humans all the time.... mainly because without humans we'd be ****ed. I dont see cats and dogs releasing Phones, Computers, driving buses and generally keeping the world going.

You're talking about the human world, not the actual physical world.

The dog or cat provides much less destruction of the actual planet, therefore is of more worth, seeing as though all the things you listed are in some contributing to the ruining of the planet and it's environment. Surely that makes that things life of less worth, not more?

[Marc]

How does owning something make us superior? lol

how doesn't it?

[Marcus.]

You're talking about the human world, not the actual physical world.

The dog or cat provides much less destruction of the actual planet, therefore is of more worth, seeing as though all the things you listed are in some contributing to the ruining of the planet and it's environment. Surely that makes that things life of less worth, not more?

but some of us would not feel right if we did not help the human

[Niamh.]

no, they're not.

Well, I don't know about you, but I certainly don't have a relationship on the same level with my dogs as I do with my kids, husband, siblings, friends etc. Are we superior to animals? As a human being I would say yes I value members of my own species above other species absolutely.

[Iceman]

You're talking about the human world, not the actual physical world.

The dog or cat provides much less destruction of the actual planet, therefore is of more worth, seeing as though all the things you listed are in some contributing to the ruining of the planet and it's environment. Surely that makes that things life of less worth, not more?

Where did I say anything about saving the planet???? Where did I say anything about the human world or the physical world???? Don't try and twist my answer to fit into what you want to put across. If you don't like my reply then that's fine, just don't twist it, as I haven't done that with anything you've done.

[Apple202]

omg overreaction :laugh3:

i was just arguing from another perspective D: i wasn't twisting anything

[Apple202]

how doesn't it?

It just means we have more physical power or are crueler. I don't really value either of those things as superiority.

[Roy Mars III]

no, they're not.

yes we are, we run this ****

[Iceman]

omg overreaction :laugh3:

i was just arguing from another perspective D: i wasn't twisting anything

Not really an over reaction just telling you not to twist things as everything you mentioned in your reply to me was irrelevant to my post. :laugh:

[Marcus.]

yes we are, we run this ****

:joker:

[Apple202]

Not really an over reaction just telling you not to twist things as everything you mentioned in your reply to me was irrelevant to my post. :laugh:

It's called arguing from different perspectives, that's what a forum in for ;) x

[Iceman]

yes we are, we run this ****

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_yMDlVwowFTY/TOqAwJiqEMI/AAAAAAAAAIU/1i70qRplY3Y/s1600/illuminati-jayz.jpg

[Suze]

lol they sort of are, hence why we OWN pets

I think you'll find your pets own you :joker: ;) They have us round their little paws :D

[Jack_]

I do resent the notion that humans are a superior species, we are equal to animals and it's just narcissistic of us to think otherwise, and in an ideal world we wouldn't (meaning we wouldn't kill animals for food or fun, see them as commodities, parade them around as circus performers etc) but as a human being I find it very difficult to consider the prospect of me saving an animal over a human. It doesn't feel right, and I guess that's because it's ingrained in most us from birth, it's an inherent feeling. One of your own kind. Unless you're a misanthrope I think it's difficult to feel otherwise. Whether there's anything wrong with that, well...that's a different debate. I know I wouldn't feel comfortable with somebody saving an animal over a child, but appreciate that others may see it differently. As I said, we are all equal, but as a human myself I'd struggle to betray one of my own kind.

[MTVN]

So humans are completely equal to the likes of insects and spiders then? I suppose when I killed that spider in my room the other day I should have been tried for murder

[Vicky.]

So humans are completely equal to the likes of insects and spiders then? I suppose when I killed that spider in my room the other day I should have been tried for murder

Yeah this is the thing when this argument gets brought up tbh. Where does the line get drawn? Who gives anyone the right to decide an ant or a spiders life is less important than that of your pet rabbit or your nextdoor neighbour etc..do those who regard animals as the same as humans ever use fly spray to kill that pesky bluebottle that just wont piss off?

As for the original question, I would like to say I would save the human without a thought, but if faced with the situation it might be different..as with all hypothetical situations. To some people pets are like family. I dont have pets now and I have never really had a pet that I thought more of than other people so i cant imagine saving a pet over human life, but I know some people do think a LOT of their pets. For example my mother in law, her cat is pretty much her life.

[Jack_]

So humans are completely equal to the likes of insects and spiders then? I suppose when I killed that spider in my room the other day I should have been tried for murder

Of course they are, who are we to say otherwise? You and I both know it's wrong to kill spiders, but that doesn't mean it's going to stop (I never said it would), just that in an ideal world we wouldn't be so narcissistic about our own species.

Like I said, we're equal but I'd still save the human. It wouldn't feel right to save an animal. I know that's contradictory but that's the issue here. We are equal but there's just something ingrained in us that makes the large majority want to save our own. I guess that's all it is...an inherent loyalty to our kind.

[Marcus.]

Of course they are, who are we to say otherwise? You and I both know it's wrong to kill spiders, but that doesn't mean it's going to stop (I never said it would), just that in an ideal world we wouldn't be so narcissistic about our own species.

Like I said, we're equal but I'd still save the human. It wouldn't feel right to save an animal. I know that's contradictory but that's the issue here. We are equal but there's just something ingrained in us that makes the large majority want to save our own. I guess that's all it is...an inherent loyalty to our kind.

i am the same jack

[Jesus.]

I don't kill any animals, unlike some of the murdering bastards in this thread. I try to catch and release everything that enters my domain.

I can't stand bees and wasps, and I even go out of my way trying to release them back into the wild.


Roam free, my pretties.

[Marcus.]

I don't kill any animals, unlike some of the murdering bastards in this thread. I try to catch and release everything that enters my domain.

I can't stand bees and wasps, and I even go out of my way trying to release them back into the wild.


Roam free, my pretties.

i don't kill animals

[MTVN]

Of course they are, who are we to say otherwise? You and I both know it's wrong to kill spiders, but that doesn't mean it's going to stop (I never said it would), just that in an ideal world we wouldn't be so narcissistic about our own species.

Like I said, we're equal but I'd still save the human. It wouldn't feel right to save an animal. I know that's contradictory but that's the issue here. We are equal but there's just something ingrained in us that makes the large majority want to save our own. I guess that's all it is...an inherent loyalty to our kind.

But clearly we do accept that there is hierarchy in the animal world, even if you take humans out of it we value the lives of some animals over others and do give cats and dog a much superior position than spiders or ants or also the likes of pigs and cows. I don't think we are equal because there's such huge biological, genetic, physical, and intellectual difference across all the different species

[Roy Mars III]

I feed baby mice to my snake but I think that's okay

[armand.kay]

I don't really care for animals but I would probably save ones life at any time but to me humans are more important so if saving its life is at the expense of another human they bye to my pet.

[armand.kay]

I feed baby mice to my snake but I think that's okay
Ugh we had a snake in our year 3 class and we watched our teacher feed it mice :laugh:

[Me. I Am Salman]

Oh and Salman that point is idiotic tbh, its different eating meat, as you dont have an emotional atttachment to that animal you're consuming, plus the animals you are eating most likely wont be the type of domesticated pets you own, so its different

I was replying to people who were using the excuse that animal lives are as valuable as humans'. Emotional attachment is a separate reason I wasn't addressing that

[Ramsay]

I'd save my dog and not feel any guilt whatsoever