Manchester : Girl Dies In House With 'Out Of Control' Dogs

[arista]

http://news.sky.com/story/1070066/girl-dies-in-house-with-out-of-control-dogs

"Armed police kill four "aggressive and out of control" dogs at a house in Manchester after a teenager's body is found."


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This is Shocking.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/03/26/article-2299474-18EF5522000005DC-73_634x397.jpg
"Police were called to Chaucer Grove,
in Atherton, Wigan, (pictured) shortly
after 2pm today following a report that
a teenager was unconscious and a number
of dogs were out of control"





http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2299474/Four-aggressive-control-dogs-house-Atherton-Greater-Manchester-15-year-old-girl-dead.html

[Me. I Am Salman]

I don't care what those typical irritating dog lovers say, dogs are violent.

[Marcus.]

poor Yong girl:sad:

[Apple202]

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[Jack_]

Stories like this only make me hate dogs more...

poor Yong girl:sad:

We don't know if she was Chinese yet Marcus.

[Niamh.]

Stories like this only make me hate dogs more...



We don't know if she was Chinese yet Marcus.

:laugh2:

I'm sorry I shouldn't be laughing in here, but that actually made me lol

[Marcus.]

still it be poor lass

[Munchkins]

Hate dogs? **** off, yes there is some violent dogs around but you cant generalise just due to this case and the other death cases, do you not read the stories of dogs saving lives etc, for all we know these 4 dogs could have been illegally bred, and on the banned breed list. Plus! it often comes down to the owner more tbh
Salman **** some are violent, not all, you have such ignorant views

[Jack_]

Hate dogs? **** off, yes there is some violent dogs around but you cant generalise just due to this case and the other death cases, do you not read the stories of dogs saving lives etc, for all we know these 4 dogs could have been illegally bred, and on the banned breed list. Plus! it often comes down to the owner more tbh
Salman **** some are violent, not all, you have such ignorant views

:o

I have a fear of them...always have done. I don't hate all dogs, my sister has one that's lovely, but in general (especially if I don't know the dog and they're just one in a park or something) I'm not a big fan. I don't really understand my fear but it's always been there, stories like this just perpetuate it really (even though I know they're reported for that very reason...fearmongering) and I'd rather they weren't published in a sense. But I can't help what I'm scared of...

[Apple202]

jack did you just say you hate dogs


gurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrl

[arista]

I don't care what those typical irritating dog lovers say, dogs are violent.


Yes under the Wrong Owner Many Animals are

[Apple202]

Yes under the Wrong Owner Many Animals are

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[Jack_]

jack did you just say you hate dogs


gurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrl

Cats >>>>>>

I hate them (in general...again, not every dog) cause I have a fear of them, I'm not going to like something I'm scared of :p in all honestly the fear has lessened over the years but it's still not completely gone, I wish I wasn't scared of them but I can't really help that LOL

[Munchkins]

:o

I have a fear of them...always have done. I don't hate all dogs, my sister has one that's lovely, but in general (especially if I don't know the dog and they're just one in a park or something) I'm not a big fan. I don't really understand my fear but it's always been there, stories like this just perpetuate it really (even though I know they're reported for that very reason...fearmongering) and I'd rather they weren't published in a sense. But I can't help what I'm scared of...

I'm not a fan of stranger dogs either, i only love my own.. just the way you put is was like you hate all dogs, and i cant understand anyone hating an entire species of animals. Yeah theres just no need for these stories to be published, just attach stigma!

[Munchkins]

Cats >>>>>>

I hate them (in general...again, not every dog) cause I have a fear of them, I'm not going to like something I'm scared of :p in all honestly the fear has lessened over the years but it's still not completely gone, I wish I wasn't scared of them but I can't really help that LOL

Hate is such a strong word though, especially for use in general :s

[arista]

:laugh2:

I'm sorry I shouldn't be laughing in here, but that actually made me lol


That was Marcus Typo Error.

[Me. I Am Salman]

Hate dogs? **** off, yes there is some violent dogs around but you cant generalise just due to this case and the other death cases, do you not read the stories of dogs saving lives etc, for all we know these 4 dogs could have been illegally bred, and on the banned breed list. Plus! it often comes down to the owner more tbh
Salman **** some are violent, not all, you have such ignorant views

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[Jack_]

I'm not a fan of stranger dogs either, i only love my own.. just the way you put is was like you hate all dogs, and i cant understand anyone hating an entire species of animals. Yeah theres just no need for these stories to be published, just attach stigma!

Well I'm not really going to go 'it just makes me hate all dogs (except my sisters and those I know oh and that one from down the road too), it was just a throwaway comment.

Hate is such a strong word though, especially for use in general :s

Well I definitely hate all snakes...and any species that's inherently poisonous, generalisation or not I'm not going to like something like that

I'm all for animal rights (to a certain point) but there's certain animals I will just never like. My mum is terrified of rats, if I said to her 'omg don't you just love that rat over there', she'd look at me as if to say '**** off'...generally, if you're scared of something you aren't going to like it. Maybe when I get to know it yeah, but until then I'm not a raving fan I have to be honest, and I can't get to know a snake and my mum can't get to know a rat...

[the truth]

im more a cat man than a god man, theres way too many stories of violent dogs, no doubt down to how they are raised...I think rules about dog ownership and especially dog breeding must be tightened up big time....I know of several families who have loads of kids several dogs plus theyre breeding more and sellling them on the side...imagine 3 bedroomed terraced houses with 2 adults 7 kids 2 dogs and a litter of puppies , no doubt with kennels in the backyard....its crazy, shouldnt be allowed. I dont think young kids should EVER be left with dogs

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/03/26/article-2299474-18EF7E88000005DC-690_306x423.jpg
[14 year old Jade Anderson has been found dead
in a house in Atherton, Wigan, by police who were
confronted with five 'aggressive and out of control dogs']



Sad news

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/03/26/article-2299474-18EF906E000005DC-277_634x428.jpg
[An officer stands guard at a police cordon
near the house. Police have said it is
'too early to speculate' about what took place]

[Jack_]

RIP :(

[Roy Mars III]

surprising that they were bull mastiffs and bull terriers, neither breed are known for being violent

[Roy Mars III]

Yes under the Wrong Owner Many Animals are

there are some breeds (pitbull) that have the potential to become violent no matter how good the owners are

[Novo]

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:(

[arista]

there are some breeds (pitbull) that have the potential to become violent no matter how good the owners are

Sure
But if the Leader/Owner is there
they kick them, so hard ,in America and UK.
And Halt them

Except when they are set on a Robber
or the other way round.

[Shaun]

surprising that they were bull mastiffs and bull terriers, neither breed are known for being violent

really?

they're the stereotypical "i'm a twat and i breed hell-hounds" type of dog (other than rottweilers)

[arista]

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:(



Yes The Owners of Many of them
Are Guilty

[arista]

surprising that they were bull mastiffs and bull terriers, neither breed are known for being violent


But if
a young person is left alone with them
and no owner there.


Then they can get the wrong feeling and kill someone, sadly
as the Leader/Owner is not stopping them.



From SkyNews Live Update
it was not her house it was a mates
she had a pie with her.

It was 4 Dogs in total
that killed her.


All 4 Dogs were put down.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/03/26/article-2299474-18EF61CE000005DC-18_634x445.jpg
This is the location

[Roy Mars III]

really?

they're the stereotypical "i'm a twat and i breed hell-hounds" type of dog (other than rottweilers)

are they?

I always thought they were considered to be non violent.

I may be wrong though

nevermind: http://www.dogtemperament.com/the-9-most-aggressive-dog-breeds/

[Cherie]

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:(

.

[AnnieK]

This is actually quite near to me...there has been a spate of dog and cat napping in the area where the police think they are being taken by a dog fighting ring....it's disgraceful...sad for all the animals involved..the fighting dogs are near starved and know no better...

[arista]

This is actually quite near to me...there has been a spate of dog and cat napping in the area where the police think they are being taken by a dog fighting ring....it's disgraceful...sad for all the animals involved..the fighting dogs are near starved and know no better...


Yes SkyNews Update
told us she had a Pie
which is Food they could smell.

It was not her house.

[Me. I Am Salman]

there are some breeds (pitbull) that have the potential to become violent no matter how good the owners are

why haven't you answered this Arista?

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[arista]

why haven't you answered this Arista?




Can you Delete your Stupid Post?


I have.

just go back a page

I can see why you get banned alot

[Roy Mars III]

Sure
But if the Leader/Owner is there
they kick them, so hard ,in America and UK.
And Halt them

Except when they are set on a Robber
or the other way round.

i guess.

Dogs are still animals no matter how domesticated they become, which means that you truly never know what they could do in any given situation. A lot of them are large and can can be potentially dangerous.

Don't get me wrong I own two large labs but some owners are true too trusting of their dogs at times and don't realize what they have the potential to do.

[Jake.]

i guess.

Dogs are still animals no matter how domesticated they become, which means that you truly never know what they could do in any given situation. A lot of them are large and can can be potentially dangerous.

Don't get me wrong I own two large labs but some owners are true too trusting of their dogs at times and don't realize what they have the potential to do.

100% this

[Me. I Am Salman]

i guess.

Dogs are still animals no matter how domesticated they become, which means that you truly never know what they could do in any given situation. A lot of them are large and can can be potentially dangerous.

Don't get me wrong I own two large labs but some owners are true too trusting of their dogs at times and don't realize what they have the potential to do.

:worship:

a lot of dog owners are just deluded by affection

[Kazanne]

Yes SkyNews Update
told us she had a Pie
which is Food they could smell.

It was not her house.

This is actually quite near to me...there has been a spate of dog and cat napping in the area where the police think they are being taken by a dog fighting ring....it's disgraceful...sad for all the animals involved..the fighting dogs are near starved and know no better...

I agree with you Annie,God knows what conditions these dogs were kept in,they might have been treated cruelly as well ,and as Arista said if they were starved they would have gone for that food ,shame for all concerned ,I hope the owners if found to be negligent are banned from having animals for life ,but they won't be and I hope they get a hefty sentence,but again,they won't.

[Me. I Am Salman]

bitch it's going to be there forever, deal with it
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[joeysteele]

There were 4 Dogs in the house apparantly, there is at times the danger that so many dogs together can have the pack element brought out in them.

This must have been really horrible for this girl and I am so sad to read this story being a Dog owner, well my Parents are the Dog owner but he is also my Dog too.
Being a Staffie,I am well aware were he to be with other dogs that in the wrong circumstances,something bad could,I stress only could, occur.

It is why I have trained him as well as I can without turning him into some sort of robot Dog, retaining his freedoms but I would never leave him alone with strangers.
I don't have to worry too much as to him being with other Dogs, he just looks at them and walks off,he prefers humans to Dogs.

I have to agree with the view though that overall dog attacks mainly come from Dogs with bad,irresponsible owners.
In this very sad story, where were was the owner though.

I also can understand people who have a fear of Dogs, when I am out walking mine, even though he is on a harness and lead all the time, I see people look at him and cross the road to avoid walking directly past him.

All animals can have a vicious streak to them though, I have seen cats jump onto babies in cots and pushchairs and scratch at them,even at a friends house I saw their Budgie attack the nose of of a person there and get its beak fastened in his nose, he needed hospital treatment for that.

[Shaun]

are they?

I always thought they were considered to be non violent.

I may be wrong though

nevermind: http://www.dogtemperament.com/the-9-most-aggressive-dog-breeds/

I think it might just be a UK stereotype, the chav with a pitbull.

[Nedusa]

Apparently she called Round at her friends house with a meat pie and encountered the four massive dogs all very hungry, and this they think triggered the frenzied pack attack on the young girl. She stood no chance whatsoever...

Armed police had to destroy most of these dogs on the spot as they had regressed into a bloodlust state, body parts and pieces of the girl where found all around the ground floor.

If ever there was an advert for banning these dogs or at least banning the ownership of more than one of these types of dogs..!!!

[arista]

Yes 5 dogs in all what a Gang of Dogs
No way could she get away from them
so sad

[joeysteele]

I would agree with people not able to own more than 2 of really any dog, the only dogs I have ever been bitten by were Jack Russells, but I wouldn't call for them to be banned because of that.

This clearly has been a truly horrific tragedy, action should be takne against the owner on my view but it likely won't as Kazanne said since the dogs were in their own house and the poor girl unfortunately went in with no owner there.
The house should have been secured to stop anyone just walking in with so many dogs in the house so to me the owner is liable and should at the very least be banned from owning dogs in the future.

As for banning the breeds,I don't agree,I have heard of all breeds of dogs causing harm to others,particularly children if they are not trained and supervised correctly.
My Staffie has never even really snarled at anyone all the time I have had him let alone bite or attack anyone, that is not to say I don't believe he could which is why I take every precaution not just to protect others but him too.

Very often it is adults and dog owners who need the training,it also seesm these dogs may have been living in less that fair conditions,if it is so that they were seemingly so hungry too.
I love Dogs, I for sure would not go into a house where there were that many and the breeds they are claimed to be, it hasn't been said if they were pedigree or cross breeds,I for sure again wouldn't enter.

This tragedy, spells out the need for owners to not only ensure their pets cannot harm others but that if they are left unattended then the premises are secure enough to prevent anyone coming into contact with them and the dogs vice versa.
Clearly that wasn't so here so for me, it is the pwner who is at fault, they are responsible for the Dogs as owners of any pets are and should be.

As I said earlier, so many Dogs in one area, once one was to attack for the pie or any other reason then the others would likely follow on and join in that too.
Really tragic and horrible thing to happen but I hope it doesn't lead to more breeds of dog being banned.

All dogs can be dangerous, it is the responsibility of owners to ensure they are not and to make sure they have control at all times,more to the point never creating any situation where someone could encounter them when they,the owner/s, are not present.

[Niamh.]

Apparently she called Round at her friends house with a meat pie and encountered the four massive dogs all very hungry, and this they think triggered the frenzied pack attack on the young girl. She stood no chance whatsoever...

Armed police had to destroy most of these dogs on the spot as they had regressed into a bloodlust state, body parts and pieces of the girl where found all around the ground floor.

If ever there was an advert for banning these dogs or at least banning the ownership of more than one of these types of dogs..!!!

Jesus that sounds so gruesome.

[Niamh.]

I would agree with people not able to own more than 2 of really any dog, the only dogs I have ever been bitten by were Jack Russells, but I wouldn't call for them to be banned because of that.

This clearly has been a truly horrific tragedy, action should be takne against the owner on my view but it likely won't as Kazanne said since the dogs were in their own house and the poor girl unfortunately went in with no owner there.
The house should have been secured to stop anyone just walking in with so many dogs in the house so to me the owner is liable and should at the very least be banned from owning dogs in the future.

As for banning the breeds,I don't agree,I have heard of all breeds of dogs causing harm to others,particularly children if they are not trained and supervised correctly.
My Staffie has never even really snarled at anyone all the time I have had him let alone bite or attack anyone, that is not to say I don't believe he could which is why I take every precaution not just to protect others but him too.

Very often it is adults and dog owners who need the training,it also seesm these dogs may have been living in less that fair conditions,if it is so that they were seemingly so hungry too.
I love Dogs, I for sure would not go into a house where there were that many and the breeds they are claimed to be, it hasn't been said if they were pedigree or cross breeds,I for sure again wouldn't enter.

This tragedy, spells out the need for owners to not only ensure their pets cannot harm others but that if they are left unattended then the premises are secure enough to prevent anyone coming into contact with them and the dogs vice versa.
Clearly that wasn't so here so for me, it is the pwner who is at fault, they are responsible for the Dogs as owners of any pets are and should be.

As I said earlier, so many Dogs in one area, once one was to attack for the pie or any other reason then the others would likely follow on and join in that too.
Really tragic and horrible thing to happen but I hope it doesn't lead to more breeds of dog being banned.

All dogs can be dangerous, it is the responsibility of owners to ensure they are not and to make sure they have control at all times,more to the point never creating any situation where someone could encounter them when they,the owner/s, are not present.

Yeah, little dogs can be just as, if not more aggressive than big dogs but the obvious difference is the amount of damage one of these "dangerous dogs" could do, it's pretty simple if a Jack Russell goes to attack you one swift kick and that problem is solved, not so much if a Pit Bull or Rottweiler sets his sites on you

[AnnieK]

Jesus that sounds so gruesome.

Horrific- this girl went to my nephews school and is in the year above him...all the kids are traumatised....

[Niamh.]

Horrific- this girl went to my nephews school and is in the year above him...all the kids are traumatised....

I can imagine, it's really awful. The owners of these dogs have alot to answer for imo, owning one and in their case 4, big and potentially dangerous dogs like that should come with a huge burden of responsibility. For example, I love bigger dogs, Doberman Pinschers and German Shepard's especially but I'd never get one, because one I have kids and two I don't have the time or energy I feel it would take to exercise and train dogs like that

[joeysteele]

Yeah, little dogs can be just as, if not more aggressive than big dogs but the obvious difference is the amount of damage one of these "dangerous dogs" could do, it's pretty simple if a Jack Russell goes to attack you one swift kick and that problem is solved, not so much if a Pit Bull or Rottweiler sets his sites on you

Absolutely, that is as you point that the big difference,The strength of the larger dogs.
It only re-inforces my thoughts that no more than 2 should be allowed to be kept as pets, I actually doubt that even had the owner come in as this started, they would have been able to stop the horrific tragedy even then once it had begun.

That is not in any way to excuse the owner from blame as to this tragedy,for me they should have had the premises secured or at least the Dogs secured. It is that failure that led to this tragic occurence being even possible in the first place.

If my Dog had done anything like this or in fact even far less than this,I would expect to be heavily punished,he is after all my responsibility when in my charge.

[AnnieK]

The problem with the likes of Staffs and Mastiffs is they have lock jaw so once they bite you it is very difficult to get them to unlock....and that is what causes the damage as they are so strong...

[Me. I Am Salman]

people need to remember that dogs aren't people, if you are lenient with your dog because you think you know everything about it you shouldn't be allowed to keep a pet

[Marc]

This poor girl must have been in so much pain :(

[Marc]

The news earlier showed/the sound of the dogs being exterminated. I thought that wasn't really needed...

[Kazanne]

The news earlier showed/the sound of the dogs being exterminated. I thought that wasn't really needed...

Yes it was a bit OTT imo,also no one knows yet do they on exactly what happened in there,maybe she was teasing or giving them some of her food and the others got jealous,i guess in time we will find out,poor girl.

[Livia]

There needs to be tougher legislation for people who own dogs. Dogs need attention, training and discipline, and by that I don't mean they should be beaten. The more I read stories like this, the more I believe that tougher controls are needed. All dogs are dangerous, it doesn't matter what size they are or what breed, any dog can turn on you if it's not learned how to behave, and dogs learn what is acceptable from their owners.

[Livia]

The news earlier showed/the sound of the dogs being exterminated. I thought that wasn't really needed...

Disgusting. I'd like to hear the sound of the dogs' owner having the crap kicked out of him.

[Niamh.]

There needs to be tougher legislation for people who own dogs. Dogs need attention, training and discipline, and by that I don't mean they should be beaten. The more I read stories like this, the more I believe that tougher controls are needed. All dogs are dangerous, it doesn't matter what size they are or what breed, any dog can turn on you if it's not learned how to behave, and dogs learn what is acceptable from their owners.

I agree although I have to say that yes all dogs can be aggressive but there is a massive difference between an aggressive Pit Bull and an aggressive Chihuahua which is why i think stricter laws should apply to dogs that are considered "dangerous breeds"

[arista]

The news earlier showed/the sound of the dogs being exterminated. I thought that wasn't really needed...



Yes its not needed

[Drew.]

Apparently she called Round at her friends house with a meat pie and encountered the four massive dogs all very hungry, and this they think triggered the frenzied pack attack on the young girl. She stood no chance whatsoever...

Armed police had to destroy most of these dogs on the spot as they had regressed into a bloodlust state, body parts and pieces of the girl where found all around the ground floor.

If ever there was an advert for banning these dogs or at least banning the ownership of more than one of these types of dogs..!!!

jesus this is so distressing and horrible

[joeysteele]

Clearly not in this case and this is a different situation as this girl clearly knew of these dogs and felt safe enough to go in where they could be whereas others wouldn't have with a beware of the dogs notice, I wouldn't go in anywhere that said beware of the dog/s.
We will have to wait and see what facts emerge as to this tragedy form the piecing together of info etc by the police.

However, you can train your dog to be really good, you can do all you can to ensure it is so in the normal circumstances that will make it act with no aggression whatsoever.
However a dog in its own perceived territory can act differently, I have said I have a dog and he is never really on his own outside,except in the garden we have here where I am at present with an 8 foot fence all round the garden though.

If any strangers that he doesn't know are coming to the house, then he is in another area of the house and until I see he is going to be friendly with the person visiting and more to the point if they are not frightened or unsure of dogs, only then would I bring him where they may be and then only with me there with him.

However no matter how good a dog is, I see further up the road from me, where people have their dog in their garden too but have fences with gaps, I see not only children but teens sticking sticks through and aggravating those dogs.
No matter how good or intense the training they have had or how placid they are, they will still react if someone goads them like that.
You cannot make dogs robots and I wouldn't ever agree they should be.
I don't consider this owner of the dogs that attacked this poor girl as a good owner, it seems she was at the house but the owner, if they were going out too, should have made sure the dogs were secured and that anyone left in the house would be safe.

It is reported, she was at the house and left to get something, clearly the dogs showed no aggression as she went out but for some reason did when she returned.
Hopefully some answers will come in time as to what really set them off to do that.

I certainly don't fear stronger legislation as to being a dog owner, I don't necessarily think it fair on good owners but I wouldn't fear it,or not agree to it.
I do though fear people screaming for certain dogs to be banned in addition to the ones that already are because of a few bad owners.
I would fight hard and oppose any plan to ban Staffies,any dog in the wrong owners hands can become intolerant and aggressive.
I know for sure mine isn't,however that doesn't mean I would ever expose him to situations where he could be.

For instance,even on a harness and lead, when I have him out,I always ask any child or adult for that matter, not to come too close to him and not to pat him or put their hands out to him.
I have been called a meanie for not letting a child pat the dog and say hello to him and had adults saying I was being really cruel to the child too for not letting them.
I prefer to think,in fact, I am not only protecting them but also my dog too.

That is what the owner of these dogs should have done too, made sure anyone at the house was safe and the dogs themselves too were safe by being secured or segregated in their absence for any period of time,short or long.

[bbfan1991]

Poor girl RIP:(. My condolences are with her loved ones!

Some dogs are vicious when they attack.

[arista]

The owner of the dogs has gone in hiding,
of course he broke no laws.
But locals will will be angry with him.

The Dogs were not in public,
so no law was broken.

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[Nedusa]

A friend of mine inherited a Pit/Staff Bull terrier when her daughter emigrated to Australia. He was a very friendly loyal pet...BUT so big and so very strong he could climb trees and jump literally up in the air about 4/5 feet.

My friend tried to keep him as a pet but he demanded so much time and exercise, without which he became more and more excitable. I was sitting in her house one day when my i-phone rang with the duck ring tone and straight away Ben (the Dog) jumped at me to get to my phone. I can assure you having a 5 stone Pitbull jumping on you is quite frightening although Ben meant no harm.

My friend struggled to control Ben and eventually one day he broke away jumped over a 5ft wall and caught and killed a cat. We were all shocked as this cat was playing in its own garden and could just as easily been a young child or baby. The Police got involved and to cut a long story short my friend had to have Ben destroyed.

My view on all of this is that a Dog should never be allowed as a pet if it has the physical strength to overpower an average adult male or female. Now I know many types of Dogs could attack a young child or baby but they should have an adult present to protect them when dogs are present.

But Pitbulls,Staff Bulls, and other Big powerful dogs that can probably overpower an adult should NEVER BE KEPT AS PETS...........

Why take the risk....????

[joeysteele]

A friend of mine inherited a Pit/Staff Bull terrier when her daughter emigrated to Australia. He was a very friendly loyal pet...BUT so big and so very strong he could climb trees and jump literally up in the air about 4/5 feet.

My friend tried to keep him as a pet but he demanded so much time and exercise, without which he became more and more excitable. I was sitting in her house one day when my i-phone rang with the duck ring tone and straight away Ben (the Dog) jumped at me to get to my phone. I can assure you having a 5 stone Pitbull jumping on you is quite frightening although Ben meant no harm.

My friend struggled to control Ben and eventually one day he broke away jumped over a 5ft wall and caught and killed a cat. We were all shocked as this cat was playing in its own garden and could just as easily been a young child or baby. The Police got involved and to cut a long story short my friend had to have Ben destroyed.

My view on all of this is that a Dog should never be allowed as a pet if it has the physical strength to overpower an average adult male or female. Now I know many types of Dogs could attack a young child or baby but they should have an adult present to protect them when dogs are present.

But Pitbulls,Staff Bulls, and other Big powerful dogs that can probably overpower an adult should NEVER BE KEPT AS PETS...........

Why take the risk....????

A Staffordshire Bull Terrier should have a healthy weight of around 14 to 17 kilo's, that is not 5 stone for starters,I know you stated Pit Bulls for that but I wanted to point out that Staffies didn't fit that part of the post.

I also don't agree that dogs of such type should not be kept as pets, my family,I am only 21 but my Parents and also my Brothers have always had Staffies over the decades.
I have known 3 with my Parents in the last 21 years,theone we have now was a Puppy descended from the same line of Staffies from a registered and competent breeder.

We have never had more than one dog at any time though and therein can lie the problem in some circumstances.

I personally will always want a Staffordshire Bull Terrier as a pet and just as I would never agree that such dogs should not be pets and I would go further to say that they should not be on a dangerous dogs list either.

My Staffie is really good and can jump for a ball but I have never seen him achieve 5 feet,in fact mine won't even try to jump a fence,he looks to me to open the gate.

In any event,I would however agree they should have their owner or competent adult with them at all times, I do agree with that.
I am with mine all the time when he's out and he has never been aggressive to anyone ever,other than to bark at times but more in play than aggression.
I hope Staffordshire Bull Terriers are never banned from being kept as pets and I would do all I could to oppose any attempts to make it so.

You also mentioned a cat in your post, I have seen many instances where cats have badly scratched a baby's face or a young toddlers.
A neighbour of ours at home who had a dog,an Alsatian at that, had a cat pounce on it and blind him.
Cats can be rather aggressive animals too and although they may not have the strength to likely kill someone,they can still do damage but I would not advocate that people shouldn't have cats or any types of cats as pets.

[Nedusa]

A Staffordshire Bull Terrier should have a healthy weight of around 14 to 17 kilo's, that is not 5 stone for starters,I know you stated Pit Bulls for that but I wanted to point out that Staffies didn't fit that part of the post.

I also don't agree that dogs of such type should not be kept as pets, my family,I am only 21 but my Parents and also my Brothers have always had Staffies over the decades.
I have known 3 with my Parents in the last 21 years,theone we have now was a Puppy descended from the same line of Staffies from a registered and competent breeder.

We have never had more than one dog at any time though and therein can lie the problem in some circumstances.

I personally will always want a Staffordshire Bull Terrier as a pet and just as I would never agree that such dogs should not be pets and I would go further to say that they should not be on a dangerous dogs list either.

My Staffie is really good and can jump for a ball but I have never seen him achieve 5 feet,in fact mine won't even try to jump a fence,he looks to me to open the gate.

In any event,I would however agree they should have their owner or competent adult with them at all times, I do agree with that.
I am with mine all the time when he's out and he has never been aggressive to anyone ever,other than to bark at times but more in play than aggression.
I hope Staffordshire Bull Terriers are never banned from being kept as pets and I would do all I could to oppose any attempts to make it so.

You also mentioned a cat in your post, I have seen many instances where cats have badly scratched a baby's face or a young toddlers.
A neighbour of ours at home who had a dog,an Alsatian at that, had a cat pounce on it and blind him.
Cats can be rather aggressive animals too and although they may not have the strength to likely kill someone,they can still do damage but I would not advocate that people shouldn't have cats or any types of cats as pets.

No I was not including normal Staff Bull terriers in my comments in my last post, but was focusing more on the extremely large pit Bull dogs that are cross breed with Staffs to get more height. You end up with a Dog that is much bigger in size than a normal Staff BT much taller ,much heavier with a huge Jaw and most importantly MUCH MUCH stronger. A fully grown young male human adult (weight arond 12 stone) would struggle to deter a maddened Dog of this type.

They are NOT PETS, can never be pets its like keeping a small grizzly bear or a young small lion for a pet. They have the latent power/strength to inflict serious physical damage on any Human being and for that reason must not be looked on as PETS.

How many more times do I have to keep saying this...????

[joeysteele]

No I was not including normal Staff Bull terriers in my comments in my last post, but was focusing more on the extremely large pit Bull dogs that are cross breed with Staffs to get more height. You end up with a Dog that is much bigger in size than a normal Staff BT much taller ,much heavier with a huge Jaw and most importantly MUCH MUCH stronger. A fully grown young male human adult (weight arond 12 stone) would struggle to deter a maddened Dog of this type.

They are NOT PETS, can never be pets its like keeping a small grizzly bear or a young small lion for a pet. They have the latent power/strength to inflict serious physical damage on any Human being and for that reason must not be looked on as PETS.

How many more times do I have to keep saying this...????

Thank you for clarifying that and in fact I also agree as to the cross breeds, more often than not, it is cross breeds that somehow can be more aggressive,especially when with other dogs too.
I take your point fully on that.
I love Staffies but would not have a Staffie cross.