male bowel cancer up 25%

[the truth]

womens cancer only up 6% over the same period

the government need to act to help men

[Kazanne]

womens cancer only up 6% over the same period

the government need to act to help men

Why would mens bowel cancer be up so much,is it because they don't report symptoms as quickly as women?

[the truth]

Why would mens bowel cancer be up so much,is it because they don't report symptoms as quickly as women?

its probably a lot of reason. men work longer hours and for more years. theres also more economic pressure on them plus there are 10000s fewer support agencies for men.

[Livia]

... and they don't like to go to the doctor. Women are far more willing to check something out whereas men generally don't.

[the truth]

... and they don't like to go to the doctor. Women are far more willing to check something out whereas men generally don't.

because of the economic social prsssures on men and the vastly less support agencies and male cancer promotions than their female counterparts.

[Livia]

because of the economic social prsssures on men and the vastly less support agencies and male cancer promotions than their female counterparts.

My father had bowel cancer and thankfully he recovered completely. He went to the doctor early because he was a paramedic and didn't have any fear of doctors and hospitals. The surgeon who treated my father said that if only more men would come forward earlier they would have a much higher survival rate.

Men have no more economic and social pressures than women do these days, and yes, perhaps there are fewer agencies to promote charities and awareness for men, but that's because women have set up these charities themselves. If more men got together to set up charities and awareness groups perhaps the death figure wouldn't be so high and I wouldn't feel like I should be apologising to you because more women live than die.

[lostalex]

I havn't seen a doctor in a non-emergency situation in over 8 years.

[joeysteele]

... and they don't like to go to the doctor. Women are far more willing to check something out whereas men generally don't.

I would agree with this.

I am also really glad your Dad got it seen to quickly Livia.

[Kizzy]

My sister in law died from bowel cancer 3yrs ago, the ads on the TV and in the media are not gender specific, men are as said prob less likely to have an embarrassing issue addressed.

[arista]

Why would mens bowel cancer be up so much,is it because they don't report symptoms as quickly as women?


The Food is getting Worse
for some men - that does not help

[the truth]

My father had bowel cancer and thankfully he recovered completely. He went to the doctor early because he was a paramedic and didn't have any fear of doctors and hospitals. The surgeon who treated my father said that if only more men would come forward earlier they would have a much higher survival rate.

Men have no more economic and social pressures than women do these days, and yes, perhaps there are fewer agencies to promote charities and awareness for men, but that's because women have set up these charities themselves. If more men got together to set up charities and awareness groups perhaps the death figure wouldn't be so high and I wouldn't feel like I should be apologising to you because more women live than die.

I didnt ask you for an apology, a bit of empathy and understanding would of course be expected of any decent human being. men have more economic pressures than women still. Its factual and cultural. men lose their homes in over 80% of seperations, men work longer hours and for more years than women. but women have a greater spending power due to the culture of men handing much of their wages to their wives. men also lose the majority of divorce cases and therefore lose custody of their children and their home, yet have to pay the mother of their children payments who then go on to new partners and have 2 incomes. culturally men are still expected to work, they do not have the option women have of having muliple children and living off benefits.

men of course die younger and work longer several years younger than women on every nation on earth and commit suicide at 4 times the rate of women. the actual support organizations for women outnumber mens by over 50 to 1. the difference in support is staggering. virtually every news report is followed by its effect on women. barely a mention of men. men are more and more powerless yet have to work longer than ever. they have less support than ever. this is not just charities this is government money thats paying for the imbalance of support agencies for women over men. this disparity needs to be addressed.


even with abortion 1 million aborted babies in the UK every 6 years one of the highest rates in the world) mothers have enormous support, yet those million men who have had their children aborted without them having any input in the matter at all, are offered no counselling whatsoever. or take male soldiers at war for years on the front line fighting suicide bombers, terrorists in the desert and whats their reward? they get come and there are no military hospitals left? so they end up in the same hospitals as everyone else?

america has over 1000 hospitals for the army/navy etc

meanwhile the nhs provides free boobs for page 3 strippers who claim without them theyll be depressed.

Uk is a womans world and nobody cares

[the truth]

There is eight times as much money spent on specific female health issues as on male ones. Women are screened for breast cancer and cervical cancer, and will soon be screened for ovarian cancer. But there is no screening programme for prostate cancer

[the truth]

america is similar but the divide is not quite as disgracefully large as the UK where the amount of funding for womens health and cancer especially over men is an utter disgrace....its discrimination plain and simple.

Men die six years sooner than women. There are more than four widows for every widower.

So, it would only seem fair that more health research and health education dollars be spent on men than on women. Yet in the budget of every federal health agency, more money is spent on women’s health than on men’s. There are seven federal health agencies specifically for women. Not one for men. 39 of the 50 states have an office of women’s health, only six have one for men. A search of more than 3,000 medical journals listed in Index Medicus found that 23 articles were written on women’s health for each one written on men’s. Although a woman is only 14 percent more likely to die from breast cancer than a man is from prostate cancer, funding for breast cancer research is 660 percent greater than funding for prostate cancer research. Even the post office has gotten into the act: there is only one disease for which you can buy a postage stamp and the profits will go to research to cure the disease: breast cancer, even though heart disease kills millions more men prematurely. Before the age of 65, men die of heart attacks at three times the rate of women.

[the truth]

the actual amount spent on UK cancer research in 2010 was over twice as much on women as men, despite the fact more men died of cancer. a similar story in the US

[Kizzy]

Evidence of this, or is it your skewed opinion?

[Jesus.]

I didnt ask you for an apology, a bit of empathy and understanding would of course be expected of any decent human being. men have more economic pressures than women still. Its factual and cultural. men lose their homes in over 80% of seperations, men work longer hours and for more years than women. but women have a greater spending power due to the culture of men handing much of their wages to their wives. men also lose the majority of divorce cases and therefore lose custody of their children and their home, yet have to pay the mother of their children payments who then go on to new partners and have 2 incomes. culturally men are still expected to work, they do not have the option women have of having muliple children and living off benefits.

men of course die younger and work longer several years younger than women on every nation on earth and commit suicide at 4 times the rate of women. the actual support organizations for women outnumber mens by over 50 to 1. the difference in support is staggering. virtually every news report is followed by its effect on women. barely a mention of men. men are more and more powerless yet have to work longer than ever. they have less support than ever. this is not just charities this is government money thats paying for the imbalance of support agencies for women over men. this disparity needs to be addressed.


even with abortion 1 million aborted babies in the UK every 6 years one of the highest rates in the world) mothers have enormous support, yet those million men who have had their children aborted without them having any input in the matter at all, are offered no counselling whatsoever. or take male soldiers at war for years on the front line fighting suicide bombers, terrorists in the desert and whats their reward? they get come and there are no military hospitals left? so they end up in the same hospitals as everyone else?

america has over 1000 hospitals for the army/navy etc

meanwhile the nhs provides free boobs for page 3 strippers who claim without them theyll be depressed.

Uk is a womans world and nobody cares

The UK is not a womans world.

Women are also fighting the same people that men are.
Single women are also bringing up children alone
Women are earning less than men.
Men should lose their homes if the alternative is to turf a mother and child out on to the street.

It's just a load of special pleading from you. Again. Oh no, us white men have it sooooooooo bad. Won't someone help us.

You know what. If the stresses of work and life are too great, take a demotion that's better for a work-life balance. Lot's of men cope perfectly well with day to day life without requesting special treatment.

One last thing, soldiers are soldiers by choice. They weren't drafted into the army, and no one forced them. They went into that career knowing what the potential consequences could be.

I don't care about our troops over and above other members in society. They aren't protecting our freedom, they are fighting illegal wars.

[the truth]

Evidence of this, or is it your skewed opinion?

most of what Ive written is copied and pasted from cancer / health websites. look it up. the only argument men haters use is, oh men should group and sort it out etc thats discrimination plain and simple. the amounts of state funding especially should be the same per head of cancer sufferer. yet women have a massively higher chance of survival due to the massive disparity in investment, promotion and support agencies. basically a mans life is valued way lower. its an absolute disgrace and nobody cares.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20130212105005AAXHMlV

http://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/2012/06/25/male-health-initiatives-get-less-money-than-those-aimed-at-women/

The Bureau asked all local councils in London to disclose how much they had spent on third sector men’s and women’s services in the last five years, for example, in grants to charities or voluntary groups.


The largest disparity in funding was in Barking and Dagenham, where nearly £4.8m more was spent on women’s services. Men’s life expectancy in this borough is the sixth lowest in the capital.
Of the councils that provided a response, three times more was spent on services aimed at or predominantly used by women (£20,111,866.20), than men (£6,022,289.62).

The Bureau sent out freedom of information requests to Greater London’s 32 Primary Care Trusts and the capital’s councils. We asked them to disclose how much they paid for health and wellbeing services outside the NHS broken down by gender.

Of those that replied, only four borough PCTs commissioned specifically men’s services (at a cost of £11,135,291), while 15 PCTs commissioned women’s services (at a cost of between £13,156,785 and £13,429,785).

For those with gender-based services that replied, women’s health services received £1,775,766 to £2,048,766 more funding than men’s over the past five years. There is a range because some PCTs would only disclose that an amount between two figures was spent, rather than a specific figure (eg £50,000 – £100,000).

The disparity in spending among PCTs was greatest in Brent, where nearly £3.5m was spent on female-focused third sector initiatives over the past five years, and nothing spent on men’s. Yet male life expectancy in Stonebridge, Brent, is just 73.5 years, five years below the national average.

this has been getting worse nationally for 12 years or more
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2001/jan/08/health

The largest disparity in funding was in Barking and Dagenham, where nearly £4.8m more was spent on women’s services. Men’s life expectancy in this borough is the sixth lowest in the capital.
Three of the wards with a large life-expectancy gap lie in Hammersmith and Fulham, where, borough-wide, the average life expectancy disparity between men and women is 6.5 years. In three of its 18 wards, the gap is 10 years or more.

However, in 2011/12 Hammersmith and Fulham Borough Council spent £2,282,022 on third sector services primarily used by women, and just £282,970 on third sector services targeted at or primarily used by men — eight times as much was spent on female focused services.

[the truth]

The UK is not a womans world.

Women are also fighting the same people that men are.
Single women are also bringing up children alone
Women are earning less than men.
Men should lose their homes if the alternative is to turf a mother and child out on to the street.

It's just a load of special pleading from you. Again. Oh no, us white men have it sooooooooo bad. Won't someone help us.

You know what. If the stresses of work and life are too great, take a demotion that's better for a work-life balance. Lot's of men cope perfectly well with day to day life without requesting special treatment.

One last thing, soldiers are soldiers by choice. They weren't drafted into the army, and no one forced them. They went into that career knowing what the potential consequences could be.

I don't care about our troops over and above other members in society. They aren't protecting our freedom, they are fighting illegal wars.


the only word of truth in that spiteful nonsense, is you dont care. we already knew that.

[Kizzy]

most of what Ive written is copied and pasted from cancer / health websites. look it up. the only argument men haters use is, oh men should group and sort it out etc thats discrimination plain and simple. the amounts of state funding especially should be the same per head of cancer sufferer. yet women have a massively higher chance of survival due to the massive disparity in investment, promotion and support agencies. basically a mans life is valued way lower. its an absolute disgrace and nobody cares.
Why would anyone try to turn the fight against cancer into a suggestion that there is a discrepancy in the way it is researched?
Just stop....

[Jesus.]

Men haters, truth? I'm a man.

I don't know who hurt you so badly, but I hope you get over her at some point in your life.

[Nedusa]

Men think they rule the world but actually us women do....!!!

[the truth]

Men think they rule the world but actually us women do....!!!

men dont think they rule the world, thats simply untrue
men know they are being screwed over, they work longer, harder give more away to their families, die many years younger, commit suicide at 4 times the rate, die of cancer far more, get way less financial support for researching and treating male cancer, massively underfunded cancer and health for male issues too, men claim less in benefits, lose their family homes in 80% divorces, lose their children in 80% divorvces, have no support after their girlfriends and wives choose to abort their future children, have way less support in every other facet of life. the only reason they get the 1 supposed advantage left, is they get paid on average a tiny bit more per hour, is purley because they stick at the same job for longer, uninterrupted and for more hours. thus they bcome more spcialized in their jobs and get paid more, which is simple economics and is perfectly fair

otherwise theyre being screwed into the ground and no one cares

[joeysteele]

Men think they rule the world but actually us women do....!!!

I'm a guy but believe Women couldn't do worse than men have and maybe would do a lot better.:hugesmile:

[the truth]

I'm a guy but believe Women couldn't do worse than men have and maybe would do a lot better.:hugesmile:

whats funny about a 25% rise on the deaths of men with prostate cancer?

[Kizzy]

Nothing, theres nothing funny about your gender bias either.

[the truth]

Nothing, theres nothing funny about your gender bias either.

the ONLY gender bias is in favour of women. I am merely here on my own trying to redress some balance and to cast some light on the plight of men fighting for their lives. the fact that you nor many others care and fail to even acknowledge their plight at all or show any empathy whatsoever is frankly disturbing

[Kizzy]

the ONLY gender bias is in favour of women. I am merely here on my own trying to redress some balance and to cast some light on the plight of men fighting for their lives. the fact that you nor many others care and fail to even acknowledge their plight at all or show any empathy whatsoever is frankly disturbing

Who said I'm not empathic towards those suffering from cancer? my own father passed away due to cancer of the oesphagus...
What I find truly disturbing is that anyone would attempt to prioritise one gender as superior to another, or attempt to suggest that there is a divide in the way cancer research is funded that it could or should be of greater benefit to one sex or the other.
We are all fighting, though some are choosing to attack a whole sex due to their own experiences, that is what anyone would consider as the definition of disturbed.

[the truth]

Who said I'm not empathic towards those suffering from cancer? my own father passed away due to cancer of the oesphagus...
What I find truly disturbing is that anyone would attempt to prioritise one gender as superior to another, or attempt to suggest that there is a divide in the way cancer research is funded that it could or should be of greater benefit to one sex or the other.
We are all fighting, though some are choosing to attack a whole sex due to their own experiences, that is what anyone would consider as the definition of disturbed.

Im very sorry to hear about your father.

I dont think its disturbed to address the issue. the fact is there are limited funds available from the governments treasury for the NHS and cancer, (and for charities) and the fact is that women get a vast amount more of this money per head than men. this is despite the fact men die of cancer more regularly, they die younger and commit suicide at 4 times the rate. women ALWAYS compare their facts and figures against men , when the agenda suits them. yet when the figures dont suit their argument that they are always oppressed then they disingenuously accuse the person of being disturbed. frankly that accusation is disturbed. I dont find that empathetic and ive not read you say anything empathetic on this issue.

[Kizzy]

Im very sorry to hear about your father.

I dont think its disturbed to address the issue. the fact is there are limited funds available from the governments treasury for the NHS and cancer, (and for charities) and the fact is that women get a vast amount more of this money per head than men. this is despite the fact men die of cancer more regularly, they die younger and commit suicide at 4 times the rate. women ALWAYS compare their facts and figures against men , when the agenda suits them. yet when the figures dont suit their argument that they are always oppressed then they disingenuously accuse the person of being disturbed. frankly that accusation is disturbed.

The fact is we don't know why the death rates are so disproportionate..
Cancer is genetic in most cases, therefore lifestyle has little or nothing to do with how hard or how long you work before it mutates into a malignant state.
and apart from cancers affecting sexual organs most research is of benefit to both sexes isn't it?
Socialisation has a role to play in the suicide rate and there is much more awareness now of mens mental health issues as well as funding to help in this area.
Stop worrying about oppression and accept that there is not always an agenda..

[the truth]

The fact is we don't know why the death rates are so disproportionate..
Cancer is genetic in most cases, therefore lifestyle has little or nothing to do with how hard or how long you work before it mutates into a malignant state.
and apart from cancers affecting sexual organs most research is of benefit to both sexes isn't it?
Socialisation has a role to play in the suicide rate and there is much more awareness now of mens mental health issues as well as funding to help in this area.
Stop worrying about oppression and accept that there is not always an agenda..

we need an agenda.
there is not enough of an agenda to support equally mens health issue.
the support for womens health should not be spo enormously disproportionate and also youre worng to say theres no evidence to show the death rates and research is so disporportionate. there is loads of hard evidence and frankly there should be even more. I still have seen zero empathy from you for todays news male prostate cancer is up 25%. i shall now put you on ignore because clearly you dont care, I shall now have to ignore you forever as I find your complete lack of any empathy profoundly disturbing. I wish you well on your life and goodbye.

[Kizzy]

we need an agenda.
there is not enough of an agenda to support equally mens health issue.
the support for womens health should not be spo enormously disproportionate and also youre worng to say theres no evidence to show the death rates and research is so disporportionate. there is loads of hard evidence and frankly there should be even more. I still have seen zero empathy from you for todays news male prostate cancer is up 25%. i shall now put you on ignore because clearly you dont care, I shall now have to ignore you forever as I find your complete lack of any empathy profoundly disturbing. I wish you well on your life and goodbye.

Please don't ignore me forever... :bawling:
I have been empathic, and posted much information in relation to this and the thread on male suicides last year. I haven't seen much in the way of empathy from you on this forum as to the plight of women and the struggles they face in modern society.
However I won't get bitter about it.

[the truth]

Im delighted to say unlike the many male haters on here I look at both sides. Ive written 100s of posts in support of women when the situation was right. Sadly the male haters on here dont show the same balance. even when it comes to men getitng infinitely less support and less financial funding for their massive increases of cancer, still the male haters here cannot show any empathy or balance, shame on them all.

[Josy]

Can we debate in here without resorting to digs at each other.

[Kizzy]

Here are some statistics of where we sit as to the cases of cancer in the UK.
Men 280 cases per 100'000 people
women 260 cases per 100'000 people

Scientists estimate about 47% of bowel cancer cases in the UK could be prevented through eating more foods containing fibre, eating less red and processed meat, drinking less alcohol, being physically active and maintaining a healthy weight.

http://www.wcrf-uk.org/research/cancer_statistics/world_cancer_statistics_men.php

[the truth]

Can we debate in here without resorting to digs at each other.


The main problem here is male bowel cancer is up 25% , but its not receiving enough attention and is getting vastly less funding than womens cancer simply because it doesnt get as much media attention. the government and the nhs should not be so controlled by media headlines, but instead by the facts. the facts show male cancer is growing disporportionately to womens cancer and female health is disporportionately funded by the government compared to men. the result is more men are going undiagnosed, less money is spent on male cancer research and the same applies across the board to all health matters. there is an enormous disparity in the funding given to womens health over men. Its plain wrong. this is one of the many reasons why men die younger.

[Vicky.]

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=223719

Some of the male responses in this thread show what I think is the main problem. Most men do not like the idea of being tested for stuff routinely, which would really help with catching things early on.

Its no good chucking a load of money on regular bowel exams or whatever if noone is going to show up to them :S

[the truth]

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=223719

Some of the male responses in this thread show what I think is the main problem. Most men do not like the idea of being tested for stuff routinely, which would really help with catching things early on.

Its no good chucking a load of money on regular bowel exams or whatever if noone is going to show up to them :S

where do we go??