House of Cards [Update: Netflix to end series]

[Shaun]

did anyone watch this? it was a Netflix exclusive US politics show with Kevin Spacey as a scheming senator and it was basically Boss okay but not as good but still very good

[Roy Mars III]

Yeah, I really liked it. Kevin Spacey and Kate Mara were especially good.

I recommend also watching the original BBC version, which is even better

[Shaun]

watched episode 11 after posting this last night and :o @

him killing Russo

also i find robin wright ridiculously attractive

[Marc]

Welcome to 2013 Shaun

[Shaun]

doesn't really work when it was broadcast in February marc and grumpy cat started April 2012

stay mad tho

[Marc]

Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

[arista]

did anyone watch this? it was a Netflix exclusive US politics show with Kevin Spacey as a scheming senator and it was basically Boss okay but not as good but still very good


Was it worth the Cost?

What was the Total Cost ?

[Shaun]

Of Netflix? £5.99 a month I think. I don't know how much it took to make it, but it's been confirmed for a second season :p

[Vanessa]

Is it any good ? I like Kevin Spacey! :amazed:

[Shaun]

Very :love: his accent's a bit weird but it's a very slick and cool production... the supporting cast are all good too

[GiRTh]

Amazing show. Not quite as good as the BBC original but still top quality.

I have a few issues with Spaceys performance. I think Ian Richardsons Urquhart was more tongue in cheek the Spaceys Underwood. Richardson always gave the impression that it was fun to scheme and manipulate people Spaceys is much more dark and serious.

Great series cant wait for season two.

[Roy Mars III]

Amazing show. Not quite as good as the BBC original but still top quality.

I have a few issues with Spaceys performance. I think Ian Richardsons Urquhart was more tongue in cheek the Spaceys Underwood. Richardson always gave the impression that it was fun to scheme and manipulate people Spaceys is much more dark and serious.

Great series cant wait for season two.

Yeah, agreed. I think Ian Richardsons had a certain charm that Spacey doesn't have. Not to say, that Spacey's performance isn't great, but he is serious throughout while is seemed Richardsons used always seem like he was having fun with all the plotting and manipulating people.

[Shaun]

I'll have to give the original a watch.

[Shaun]

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[Ramsay]

Cannot wait :worship:
Loved the first series

[Shaun]

all on Netflix now <3

[GiRTh]

Will check this out. Thanks :thumbs:

[Shaun]

HOLY****INGSHITBALLS, episode one :o

[Tom4784]

I've finally got around to watching the first series a few days back, I'm on episode 8 or 9 now.

[Ramsay]

HOLY****INGSHITBALLS, episode one :o

[2]

thought it was a dream or something at first :laugh: complete shock

[Tom4784]

Good lord.

[Shaun]

oh my god frank you dirty slut (you'll see what I mean at the end of episode 11)

https://31.media.tumblr.com/e0205e9d2e81c0332a1ff55128929a0c/tumblr_n16cnwQ3uM1r4r6gdo1_400.gif

THREEWAY :amazed:

[Ammi]

..I must make this my next watch, it has to be good if it's Kevin Spacey..

[Shaun]

the finale :lovedup:

[Roy Mars III]

Great season. Not as good as season 1, but still very strong

That monologue at the end of season 2 episode 1 is the best moment of the entire series

[Tom4784]

I watched the last three or four episodes yesterday, it was amazing. Bitches better hurry up with S3.

[Locke.]

A few episodes into Season 1. Kate Mara http://cdn.thisisbigbrother.com/smilies/flutter.gif

[Locke.]

So annoying, my favourite character dies in every bloody show I watch

Peter

[Locke.]

Season 3 out now

[LukeB]

Is it good?

[Shaun]

it is outstanding

[Mokka]

I binge watched seasons one and two when they came out

gonna try to pace myself with three... but I doubt that I will be able to :hehe:

[Shaun]

I binged on s1 but managed to make s2 last me about 3 months :laugh: I am terrible at catching up with dramas now, only thing I settle down to watch lately seems to be my comedies (Girls, Looking, B9-9, Broad City, Parks + Rec, Portlandia)

[Mokka]

I have not been successful at getting into Broad City or Portlandia :shrug:

The rest though :clap1:

[Mokka]

So it's Easter weekend, and how am I celebrating... by watching the god Kevin Spacey in season three of this iconic show. I get to the end of episode 4 and:

Frank meets with his bishop to get clarity. The Bishop basically tells him that the only rule God has is Love. Frank goes to pray, alone, and he gets right up in the face of a Jesus statue... and says "Love... that is what your selling?", then he spits in it :omg:. He goes to wipe off the spit... and the statue falls forward and smashes to pieces... just missing taking Frank out with it.
Frank picks up a piece of the statue and says "at least now I have God's ear: :laugh2:

I feel so sacrilegious right now. :hehe:

[Tom4784]

I finally got around to finishing Season 3 and I've got to say, I'm really disappointed. It felt like they've gone out their way to take everything that's good about the show and destroy it.

Claire and Frank's relationship was the best aspect of this show and they spent the entirety of this season destroying that relationship (and in the process ruin Frank's character by turning him into a pantomine villain) and retreading old ground in lieu of a compelling plot.

The season as a whole was scattered and unfocused, there was too many half arsed storylines that were dropped suddenly with quick and unsatisfying conclusions. The whole plot with Petrov went nowhere as did the storyline about the writer. It all felt very amateurish, it's like they decided to hire Ryan Murphy to write this season's scripts.

[Mokka]

I finally got around to finishing Season 3 and I've got to say, I'm really disappointed. It felt like they've gone out their way to take everything that's good about the show and destroy it.

Claire and Frank's relationship was the best aspect of this show and they spent the entirety of this season destroying that relationship (and in the process ruin Frank's character by turning him into a pantomine villain) and retreading old ground in lieu of a compelling plot.

The season as a whole was scattered and unfocused, there was too many half arsed storylines that were dropped suddenly with quick and unsatisfying conclusions. The whole plot with Petrov went nowhere as did the storyline about the writer. It all felt very amateurish, it's like they decided to hire Ryan Murphy to write this season's scripts.

I couldn't agree with you more.
They did what every great show does these days. They wrote two good seasons with their fingers crossed that it would be picked up for both of them... and when it came time to write the third, they **** the bed b/c they hadn't planned that far ahead in the story line... and it all falls apart from there.

Lets just say the season as a whole was underwhelming.

[arista]

Yes in 4K HD

[Shaun]

yeah this has been a disappointing season tbh... it's no fun when the villain is president :nono:

[Mokka]

I am actually rooting against Frank in the next election... but I know that will never happen b/c there is no story if he falls off the ladder so to speak

[Tom4784]

Here for Claire bumping off Frank next series tbh.

[Mokka]

ooooo Clair for President :amazed:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Well I cant find one :shrug:

I watched ep one last night and it was every bit as good as I was lead to believe

Its a little off the wall and weird but gripping. Like a serious episode of Veep. I am doing ep 2 tonight. :cheer2:

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[Ramsay]

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=223289&highlight=house+cards


Great show! still have to watch Season 3 though

[Crimson Dynamo]

the search function on here is whack

[Tom4784]

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=223289&highlight=house+cards


Great show! still have to watch Season 3 though

Season 3 was so disappointing :(

[Mystic Mock]

Has anyone watched Sense8? That's a great Netflix show.

With House Of Cards, I don't know what it is but it's never really captivated me with it's concept, if I watched it I probably would love it, but I just have never been interested enough to actually check it out.

Hayden from AHS is in it though so it's made me tempted.

[Crimson Dynamo]

i am 7 eps in and its gripping. The main 2 characters have an open relationship and the female is intriguing and so off hand. He speaks to the camera and is very funny but also a total bastard. Its kind of like a twin peaks version of The West Wing!

[Crimson Dynamo]

watched episode 11 after posting this last night and :o @

him killing Russo

also i find robin wright ridiculously attractive

:fist:

i could not help but look

[Locke.]

Finally started Season 3 but I'm on the verge of giving up. The Underwood's are so unlikable, it'd make for an interesting dynamic having both of the main characters like that if there were some supporting characters to root for, but there isn't. Peter Russo was a flawed human but was at least decent, same with Kate Mara's character... They should have kept at least one of them around. The hacker guy seems like he could be interesting but he features for about 30 seconds per episode. I'm 3 episodes in now, I'll give it another 2-3 to hopefully do something with one of the other characters.

[Shaun]

Yeah I gave up in season three after about five episodes.

[Mokka]

Season 4 release on March 4th... anyone still interested...

season 3 was a tough one to get through... but I did eventually... will probably give the new season a shot

[_Tom_]

Season 4 is out on Netflix now.

There goes my weekend :bigsmile:

[Tom4784]

I just finished Season 4 and it was sensational, it was the best season since the first. What a return to form after the trainwreck that was Season 3.

[Jack_]

I could've sworn I'd posted in this thread already but apparently not. So...a few thoughts on this amazing series, of which season 4 I finished the other night.

Season 1 and 2:

The Underwood's rise to power was truly remarkable, and this show has a weird way about it in which it makes you detest them yet root for them. I LOVE Freddy :love:

A few shoutouts to ~that season two, episode one scene with Frank and Zoe~, truly the most literally jaw-dropping television moment I think I've ever seen :o my mouth was wide open for the rest of the episode, and I'm not joking. That followed by the 'hunt or be hunted' direct address with the 'FU' cufflinks - one of my favourite of all time :love:

Loved the ending to season two as well with Frank's punching of the oval office desk <3

Season 3:

...I wish they would bring back the table punching, actually.

This season was pretty drab on the whole but what I hated most about it was Doug ****ing Stamper. In a series that is full of truly detestable, unlikeable characters...and a main one that's a serial murderer, he truly is the creepiest, most repugnant of them all.

I cannot stand him. Nor could I abide the writers' depiction of him this season. Their attempts at making the audience feel sympathy towards him only to them remind us of just how disgusting he is made me feel angry and sick. This all, of course, culminated in a totally unnecessary end for Rachel (</3). I do not watch this show to divulge in crass torture porn, in fact I actively avoid programmes like that, so to be subjected to an hour of it was seriously unpleasant. I also didn't like the way in which a bi/homosexual female character was effectively used as fodder for a perverted, creepy straight old guy. Her attacking him at the end of S2 was a brilliant display of female power and it was all completely decimated and undermined by the way in which she was stalked and treated throughout S3. There was no justification for it any of it as far as I'm concerned.

I thought perhaps he had turned a corner when he drove off, but then of course he turned around and at that point I knew it was all over. He's vile. And so was the writing of this story.

Season 4:

This was an absolutely stellar season and I echo what Dezzy said.

Episode 4's ~incident~ is on par with said scene from season 2 in terms of jaw-dropping-ness, I totally didn't see it coming and it knocked me for six. Meechum </3

There were some incredibly acted scenes this season with some great quotes - ones that spring to mind are Frank and Claire's 'you don't know what it means to have nothing', Frank and Cathy in the oval office and of course the final scene of the season where Claire breaks the fourth with Frank's 'that's right, we don't submit to terror. We make the terror' - chills much?! When she turned her head when he started speaking I was like OMG what's going on. Intrigued to see whether she'll get direct addresses next season

I am so, so glad that Tom's digging amounted to something and the way in which it progressed with Remy, Jackie and Walker coming on board, and the fact that it was at least published...I was worried the writers would find a way to bury it, or that he'd even be killed. I just really hope now that this is the beginning of the end for the Underwood's...I guess if there's more seasons to come then perhaps not but I swear if this show doesn't end with impeachment and a prison sentence for the both of them (I won't be happy with him dying) I'm not going to be pleased. It's called House of Cards for a reason, it has to topple at some point. That's the only reason I'm watching.

I was also surprised that they didn't conclude the election this season, I had assumed going into it that the last episode would consist of his re-election, but perhaps that may now mean going into season five things may not necessarily go their way?

Was nice to see Zoe and Russo cameos too. One thing that I don't understand looking back though were the Frank and Claire violent hallucinations in the first half of the season...what were they supposed to symbolise? I thought they were foreshadowing a genuine fight towards the end like that, but it never materialised.

One last thing: that woman needs to stay the **** away from Doug. Ew.

There were so many good things about this season, I'm so excited for the next one now! :clap1:

[Shaun]

Just finishing season 3 now since I've heard good things about the fourth... it isn't as bad as I recall, just disappointing seeing what directions the characters are headed in.

The gay subtext in this season is unreal though :worry: Yates after that presidential d.

[Shaun]

Season 4 was great. The ending shot of Claire getting in on the 4th wall <3

[Jack_]

Just finished season five and it's now my favourite yet!

Well well well, this show has been priming for a Claire presidency for about two seasons now so I'm completely unsurprised but did think they'd have it as the closing scene on the last ever episode (after she'd killed Frank) so in that respect I'm shocked they've done it so early. I'm guessing Mark Usher will be the equivalent in my theory now after his wave at the inauguration (shook)

How cool was it when she had her first monologue? :o when that scene started I was like 'she'll talk to us by the end of this season' and boom there it was. Talking of monologues, Frank had some great ones this season - my favourite was the one of him around DC landmarks after the election episode (which was awesome in itself) :love:

I've really enjoyed this season, there's been plenty of twists and interesting plot lines (even if I did see Yates' death and the Cathy stairs push coming a mile off). They also really managed to strike the tone of real-life politics perfectly and mirror what's actually going on atm with regards to terror, it's chilling

I'm glad their administration is somewhat starting to crumble but I am a little tired of the people ~in the know~ being killed off so there's no trace, it's a bit lazy and also they're being replaced with even more deplorable people so there's very few to root for. I realise that's what this show is about but still, I want them to fall!

Doug continues to be a pathetic creep of a man. That is all.

And I do hope that Frank will continue to play a large role in the next season, Claire is nowhere near as fun a character as he is.

[Shaun]

Can't edit the title (thanks James) but next season - 6 - will be the last... for obvious reasons.

[Jack_]

It's probably for the best anyway. There was only so long they could keep this whole charade going, and as much as I enjoyed S5, I'm longing for a satisfying conclusion to the story. A tad annoying we'll never know how long it might've lasted but oh well.

Anyway, my only requests are:

a) that the Underwood's finally get their comeuppance (a house of cards must fall), and that
b) it isn't through Frank being killed off. That would be beyond trite.

[James]

Can't edit the title (thanks James) but next season - 6 - will be the last... for obvious reasons.

I've edited it for you. The thread title-edit time limit was added for a reason.

[Marsh.]

I've edited it for you. The thread title-edit time limit was added for a reason.

What is the reason?

[James]

It was causing the forum to go slow when editing long threads (I think).

I've always thought it can make thread titles a bit confusing when a title gets edited and it doesn't match the whole thread content. That's why when I do it I added the word 'Update' or 'Latest' in brackets, like I did with this thread.

[Brother Leon]

Not Kevin Spacey as well ffs.



Better to end it than have the show become about Claire like some online are suggesting though.

[James]

.....News of the political drama’s impending swan song comes less than 24 hours after actor Anthony Rapp accused House of Cards leading man Kevin Spacey of making a sexual advance at him when he was 14. Multiple sources confirm, however, that the decision to bring HoC to an end was made months ago and was not in response to the allegations. (A Netlix rep confirms this.).....

.....Production on House of Cards‘ sixth and final season began earlier this month despite the fact that Netflix never officially confirmed that it had even ordered a Season 6. (The streamer has always played by its own unique rules when it comes to announcing renewals.)


http://tvline.com/2017/10/30/house-of-cards-ending-cancelled-season-6-kevin-spacey/

A lot of filming still to do. :think:

[Jack_]

Not Kevin Spacey as well ffs.



Better to end it than have the show become about Claire like some online are suggesting though.

Yeah, some of the suggestions on Reddit are 'let's kill him off episode 1 and then the show can continue' :umm2: err...no thanks.

Robin is a fantastic actress but Claire as a character is awful, she doesn't have the charm or the wit that Frank does. There's a reason why season 3 is the worst of them all, and it's because it centred around her (and Doug).

Whatever the ending they've written, I hope they don't change it.

[Tom4784]

Season 3 was the worst one mainly because of Francis tbh, that was the series where he became too much of a pantomime villain and he lost a lot of nuance that the character had.

[Jack_]

I don't know, the two central storylines of season 3 were Doug's creepy obsession with Rachel and her dragged out, offensively unnecessary and lowkey misogynistic demise - which was all kinds of gross, and the other revolved around Claire deciding whether to leave Frank - which was tiresome and not at all interesting.

I enjoy the Underwood's dynamic, but Claire is not a rootable character in the same way he is. She's just a straight up bitch, and that's no fun.

[Tom4784]

I didn't see her as a bitch at all in Season 3, she was calling him out on his **** because he no longer valued their relationship as an equal partnership. The fact that he was written so lopsided in that season was the cause of the issues in their story line.

[Jack_]

Oh I don't mean she was a bitch in season 3 specifically (I also sided with her, I just found the storyline tedious), I mean her character is a bitch in general, even more so into 4 and 5. Frank's a sociopathic murderer, but he is at least charming, witty and lowkey rootable. She has none of that and is completely dislikable.

[Tom4784]

I have to disagree, it's only really the last season when they started to present her as an out and out villain like Francis rather than someone who did terrible things but felt conflicted about it. I always found her to be quite a likable and sympathetic character.

For me, Francis never really recovered as a character after the mess that was Season 3.

[Tom4784]

Spacey's been accused by multiple people who work or have worked on House of Cards of sexual harassment.

I don't think he'll be in the last season.

[Locke.]

I don't think there will be a last season now, would be very surprised if they continue it without him and they definitely can't continue it with him.

[Jack_]

Sigh. I'm devastated, there's nothing more frustrating than a show not getting a proper conclusion.

Frank Underwood is House of Cards. As painful as this is, it must not continue. I'd rather they just released the scripts online so we can see how it would've ended.

I have to disagree, it's only really the last season when they started to present her as an out and out villain like Francis rather than someone who did terrible things but felt conflicted about it. I always found her to be quite a likable and sympathetic character.

For me, Francis never really recovered as a character after the mess that was Season 3.

See the whole 'I'm a good person deep down' schtick she had going on never washed with me, I always found it completely insincere. Whether it was written deliberately like that or is just my own personal perception idk, but I've always found her a ****, in many ways even worse than Frank - like way she treated that artist in the first two seasons, and her cutting remark to Donald Blythe in S5. What you see is what you get with him, but her wishy-washy attitude is just annoying.

[user104658]

I bet they try to continue by killing (or imprisoning) him off-screen and have Claire as the protagonist and it'll be ****.

[Niamh.]

I don't watch it but would it be really weird to replace him with a different actor? I know that's not ideal but atleast they could finish the story?

[James]

Could they recast the part to finish it?

[James]

Oh, didn't read Niamh's post before posting.

[Tom4784]

I think the show can live without him if they want to write the character out, the whole thing about Francis wanting to join the rich people cult that's apparently more powerful than the government angle was a bit too ridiculous and Season 3 showed us that having Claire and Francis in conflict isn't that interesting.

[Jack_]

I bet they try to continue by killing (or imprisoning) him off-screen and have Claire as the protagonist and it'll be ****.

Yeah, unfortunately the majority of responses I've read online seem to be 'it's Claire's time to shine!!!!' whereas a few months ago it was 'what a terrible plot line' so I reckon it's going to go this way. The show is all about him, it needs to end.

I don't watch it but would it be really weird to replace him with a different actor? I know that's not ideal but atleast they could finish the story?

I'd take that over them writing the main character out completely, but idk, Spacey plays the role so well that I don't know if it'd work with anyone else.

[Locke.]

Definitely wouldn't work with anybody else. I HATE Frank but the show just wouldn't be on the same level without him as the leading man. I'd rather they just cancelled it completely rather than recast or write him out off screen.

[user104658]

I think the show can live without him if they want to write the character out, the whole thing about Francis wanting to join the rich people cult that's apparently more powerful than the government angle was a bit too ridiculous and Season 3 showed us that having Claire and Francis in conflict isn't that interesting.

The whole point of the show is wrecked if they can't at least keep him on to write him out, though, e.g. if it's off screen... I mean, the name of the show is "House of Cards", that Frank has been building since S1. It's all completely pointless / waste of time and energy if we don't get to see the cards collapse... I mean, that's surely the entire point.

[GiRTh]

In The final cut Urquart was murdered on the orders of his wife Elizabeth. SO the manipulate wife is a theme in the show in both versions. If they do kill off Underwood please do it at the very end of the show I agree the final season should not become the Claire Underwood show.

[Jack_]

Also, another serious problem with any of these ideas is that Spacey (along with Wright) are both executive producers. He'd surely have to agree with being written out and the show continuing without him, and then you'd have the contentious issue of someone who's become embroiled in accusations of sexual harassment en masse continuing to gain financially from the show. I don't see any way it can continue. Either recast Frank or release the scripts online...I don't know if there's any precedent for that but I'll be damned if I don't find out how this was meant to end.

tbh, I don't know what's worse, the inevitable 'Frank gets killed' ending anyway which I think is beyond lazy, him being killed off-screen, or the show not continuing at all :shrug:

[Locke.]

Netflix is officially severing ties with Kevin Spacey amid mounting allegations of sexual harassment made against the House of Cards series star and executive producer.

Additionally, the streamer has scrapped a Gore Vidal biopic starring Spacey.

"Netflix will not be involved with any further production of House of Cards that includes Kevin Spacey. We will continue to work with MRC during this hiatus time to evaluate our path forward as it relates to the show," a representative for the streamer said in a statement Friday. "We have also decided we will not be moving forward with the release of the film Gore, which was in postproduction, starring and produced by Kevin Spacey."

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/netflix-officially-severs-ties-kevin-spacey-1054981

[Jack_]

Gutted at how all this has panned out. Time to end it.

[Jack_]

Robin will lead an eight episode season when production resumes in 2018 (https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2017/dec/04/house-of-cards-to-resume-production-for-final-season-without-kevin-spacey?CMP=fb_gu)

Tragic :bored:

Five seasons of Frank's arc being built up for the pay-off to be resolved off-screen and through a secondary character. What a waste.

[Brother Leon]

Will give it a pass then. Claire isn't close to being able to carry the show like Kevin Spacey did with Frank.

[Jack_]

The worst thing about this is we will now never know the original intended ending, that bugs the hell out of me

[Jack_]

Sigh. This may have been inevitable, but I still find it lazy

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Dreading this season :bored:

[Brother Leon]

Mess.

They should have just ended it tbh.

[Ramsay]

Yup, should've ended it and wrapped it up in a book or something

[Tom4784]

I'm looking forward to it, Francis became way too much of a pantomine villain in the latter seasons and I think the writers lost their way with the character. Claire has been the more interesting character of the two for a quite a while.

[ethanjames]

this show died at s5 why are they making another season sigh

[Marsh.]

this show died at s5 why are they making another season sigh

Because production had already began on a final season and they didn't want to put all of the crew out of work for however long they were in production for.

[user104658]

It deeply amuses me that the name / premise of the show ended up being utterly meaningless :joker:. I mean, it's a great shame, but it's still quite funny.

[Vicky.]

Onto series 3 of this and I am seriously loving it. Its odd as nothing really happens, but it has me completely gripped :laugh: **** knows how they will carry it on without Frank though..I reckon they should have just left it

[Jack_]

So I've just finished Season 6:

Despite everything I'd said pre-season...this was actually good.















For the first five episodes.

There was waaaay too much going on, in too little time. I think it needed another two episodes to flesh some of these characters out. I was struggling to keep up with who was who, and who was working with who :shrug: the "flashbacks" to Claire's childhood were strange, not at all useful character development and ultimately futile.

I've also got REALLY tired of this show killing characters off when they become inconvenient to the Underwood's narrative. Three in one go is just lazy, lazy, lazy writing. Cathy Durant's demise, followed by her reappearance? A great twist! Then they kill her off for real? What was the point in that? Tom Hammerschmidt was the only rootable character in the whole show and should have been the one to have the stories published and Claire and Doug brought to justice. Janine was always the biggest side character of the lot of them...it just makes no sense :conf:

Don't even get me started on the ending. Minutes before, they had that bizarre scene with Bill Sheperd, concluding with him saying something like "the cards must fall". Great, I thought - the ending we've been waiting six seasons for is coming!

And then that. This show ended like THAT? Doug is the most vile character on HOC and I couldn't even enjoy his demise. How does Claire's arc end? Imprisonment? Another coverup? She wins? Why haven't we been told? Where was the public finding out about Frank's crimes? Scenes of Claire and Doug in prison or being brought to justice? When did the House of Cards fall?

I appreciate the writers didn't have much time after Spacey's departure...but this...this was just a ****show. WHERE was the ending? The payoff? It wouldn't even work as a season finale, let alone a series one.

The thing is, apparently (I've just had a quick google) the writers hadn't decided who would win between Frank and Claire in the original ending. That just tells me they never had a plan, and were churning out season after season for the sake of it. When Wilfred finished for example, the showrunner said they knew from episode 1 what the conclusion would be. This is just poor. I'm so disappointed

[Ramsay]

Worst ending ever but there wasn't much they could do