Ding Dong The Witch Is Dead set to re-enter charts?

[Vicky.]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2306655/Ding-Dong-The-Witch-Is-Dead-hit-40-singles-chart-Margaret-Thatchers-death.html

Baroness Thatcher's death could see the 1939 song Ding Dong The Witch Is Dead propelled into the top 40 of the singles chart.

In the space of less than 12 hours the song, from the classic film The Wizard of Oz, had made it to number 54 according to the latest sales figures collated for the Official Charts Company.

The late former Prime Minister, who died on Monday, divided opinion and while many have mourned her death, some have seen her passing as a cause for celebration prompting a download surge for the track.


Oh dear :laugh:

[Kizzy]

Someone said it was no2 on itunes?

[Saph]

:laugh:

[Vicky.]

If it makes the top 10...I will be obliged to play it at work. I will feel like a right idiot :joker:

[Niamh.]

hahaha, that's pretty funny

[Jords]

Disgrace really.

[Jake.]

It's a bit sick if you ask me, although if people hate her that much to get a song from the 40's to the top of the charts so be it.

[Livia]

Disgrace really.

I'm with you.

[InOne]

I've heard it won't be counted in the actual charts. Not sure if that's true though.

[Kazanne]

It's pathetic,what will it achieve?I thought people had got no dosh,pfft.

[Jack_]

I wouldn't buy it myself but I laughed - the same kind of laugh I give to a dark-humoured joke, it's on the same level really. It's gonna be pretty funny if Jameela has to announce this :joker:

[Smithy]

Don't get why people would waste the money :conf2: all very petty

[Vicky.]

I've heard it won't be counted in the actual charts. Not sure if that's true though.

Not that I agree with it, but I dont see how it wouldnt be counted? Old songs get back in the charts all the time. last I heard 'lets get ready to rumble' was #1

[Jack_]

It's pathetic,what will it achieve?I thought people had got no dosh,pfft.

79p really isn't that much

Just checked, it's at #2 on iTunes

[Smithy]

Not that I agree with it, but I dont see how it wouldnt be counted? Old songs get back in the charts all the time. last I heard 'lets get ready to rumble' was #1

It's only 51 seconds long, I think that's why

[InOne]

Not that I agree with it, but I dont see how it wouldnt be counted? Old songs get back in the charts all the time. last I heard 'lets get ready to rumble' was #1

Yeah it probably would be counted. This would've been a better choice of song though. The Wicked Witch song is a bit idiotic.

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(Not that I condone it, I don't care either way)

[Jack_]

Just in time for the Chart Update

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/player/bbc_radio_one

[Jack_]

So they didn't play it as a new entry but they mentioned it when announcing the current top 10, Scott just said 'following an online campaign at #10 is Ding Dong The Witch Is Dead' and then moved on. Will be interesting to see what happens on Sunday...especially as the top 10 is streamed live and all the videos are played...not sure there is one for this though? But it'll mean we get to see Jameela's facial expressions when talking about it.

[Kizzy]

Last time this happened was when the sex pistols 'god save the queen' was kept from the top spot during the 1977 sliver jubilee.
Waiting for this to re-enter :love: ...
9AlH2oYedfk

[Jack_]

Well Newsbeat is now reporting on the story.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/22093181

Some reports claim various versions of the song were too short to qualify for a chart position but the Official Charts Company has denied that.

The version of Ding Dong! The Witch Is Dead which is in the Top 10 is 51 seconds long.

The Official Chart Update and the Official Chart Show are both broadcast on BBC Radio 1.

When asked if the station would play the track, a spokesperson told Newsbeat: "Radio 1 will run through the Official Chart Update today as normal, however we only play a selection of entries each week.

"The Official Chart Show on Sunday is a historical and factual account of what the British public has been buying and we will make a decision about playing it when the final chart positions are clear."

I don't think it'd be right if they refused to play it, the BBC is supposed to remain impartial and by not playing it you could argue they're teetering on the edge of taking a side in a political movement (if you can call it that). If this is what people want to buy and listen to, I'm sorry, but you're obliged to play it and live up to what your show sets out to do.

[Tom4784]

Classy.

[Marcus.]

noughting on big top 40

[Brother Leon]

Let's hope it charts :joker:

[Marcus.]

Let's hope it charts :joker:

i am in two minds about this

[Ninastar]

i think it's disgusting. no doubt a bunch of crowd followers buying it.

[Sawyer]

The lady is dead for god sake, people need to show some respect for someone who was willing to spearhead this country through the toughest depression the country had seen at the time -- when no one else was willing to. She had balls, determination and wasn't afraid to make the tough decisions, something which this country is severely lacking now with the likes of Cameron and his pet monkey.

Rest in peace Margaret, rest assured, there are some level people in the world that actually do appreciate the work you did for us.

[Shaun]

classless, but I'm not surprised.

[Jake.]

classless, but I'm not surprised.

This. Think it's disgusting.

[Benjamin]

This is a disgusting campaign and places a really distasteful vibe on a such a classic song.

[Benjamin]

I've heard it won't be counted in the actual charts. Not sure if that's true though.

It's in the midweek charts at #10 so I assume it will be.

[Jack_]

It's being counted, whether or not it'll played is another (interesting) matter.

[arista]

Better to Protest with a Song
than smashing shop windows

[AnnieK]

Better to Protest with a Song
than smashing shop windows

Agreed

[Jesus.]

Was a disgraceful campaign, She was such a compassionate leader of the people, that I'm shocked everyone isn't wearing black arm bands, and gathering together like princess Diana all over again.

People will never forget the way she destroyed communities, and whilst I won't be joining in celebrations, or purchasing this song, I understand why people will be.

My mothers family suffered through her reign, in Liverpool. The conservative party at that time were trying to implement a policy of managed decline. Imagine how extreme that sounds today - basically letting one of the big cities in the UK just turn to sh*t.

It's not a sad day, and it doesn't matter that she has children/grandchildren who can be upset. She is afforded the same respect that she bestowed upon the people.

[Ammi]

Classy.

i think it's disgusting. no doubt a bunch of crowd followers buying it.

..I agree Ninastar and I think that whether people think it is disgraceful or justifed, as Dezzy said..it certainly has no class and only serves to hurt her family, who are actually grieving... no matter what the nation's views are..

..the reality of it is that the person this is all aimed at will never be effected by it as the lyrics 'wake up Maggie, I think I've got something to say to you..' will just not happen but her family and children especially, cannot help but be hurt by this sort of thing....

[thesheriff443]

Was a disgraceful campaign, She was such a compassionate leader of the people, that I'm shocked everyone isn't wearing black arm bands, and gathering together like princess Diana all over again.

People will never forget the way she destroyed communities, and whilst I won't be joining in celebrations, or purchasing this song, I understand why people will be.

My mothers family suffered through her reign, in Liverpool. The conservative party at that time were trying to implement a policy of managed decline. Imagine how extreme that sounds today - basically letting one of the big cities in the UK just turn to sh*t.

It's not a sad day, and it doesn't matter that she has children/grandchildren who can be upset. She is afforded the same respect that she bestowed upon the people.
a grudge gets heavier the longer you carry it!
its funny how this issue unites members on here in agreement
that for most of the time are in disagreement.

[Jesus.]

a grudge gets heavier the longer you carry it!
its funny how this issue unites members on here in agreement
that for most of the time are in disagreement.

It doesn't really unify people though. As sentient beings we're capable of having different opinions on different subjects.

It's not about a grudge, it was about the attacks on her own people that she propagated, both through financial means and the police force as her own personal army.

A despicable woman with no redeemable qualities.

[thesheriff443]

It doesn't really unify people though. As sentient beings we're capable of having different opinions on different subjects.

It's not about a grudge, it was about the attacks on her own people that she propagated, both through financial means and the police force as her own personal army.

A despicable woman with no redeemable qualities.

jesus on this subject you cant see the woods for the trees.
you talk like her goal was to destroy people!

[Jesus.]

jesus on this subject you cant see the woods for the trees.
you talk like her goal was to destroy people!

What did she seriously think was going to happen when she stuck to policies that knowingly would decimate entire communities? Then used the police force to enforce it for her. Dark days.

[MTVN]

The woman had no class when she campaigned to keep south Africa white ruled and pro Apartheid (pro racially segregated) do these people that defend her agree with her stance?
Does sheriff agree that Nelson Mandela was a "grubby little terrorist"?

Hey Ben do you support her attempt to buy an island in Indonesia to send "the boat people" to to stop the foreigners burdening the UK ?

If i have no class for hating the racist cow then so be it. Im not the one that is defending someone that wanted the same things as the national front.

I wouldnt buy a song anyway music is free.

That's a bit misleading, Thatcher's stance on SA was very controversial because she preferred to engage with the regime instead of imposing sanctions that would have hit the wrong people, but a lot of people credit her with having done more to end apartheid and free Mandela than some of the regime's more obvious, militant critics

[billy123]

That's a bit misleading, Thatcher's stance on SA was very controversial because she preferred to engage with the regime instead of imposing sanctions that would have hit the wrong people, but a lot of people credit her with having done more to end apartheid and free Mandela than some of the regime's more obvious, militant critics
Well done on quoting a deleted post that i couldnt be arsed arguing about. So you must have been gutted about the "grubby little terrorist" proving the slut wrong and winning his campaign for racial equality in south Africa.

[billy123]

Lets not make the witch seem too racist here she is welcoming Robert Mugabe who she helped into power. (diamonds in her eyes)
What a lovely friend.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/04/20/article-0-048AD133000005DC-247_468x471.jpg

He only killed between 3-6 million bless his little cotton socks.

[arista]

Lets not make the witch seem too racist here she is welcoming Robert Mugabe who she helped into power. (diamonds in her eyes)
What a lovely friend.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/04/20/article-0-048AD133000005DC-247_468x471.jpg

He only killed between 3-6 million bless his little cotton socks.


Thats a Time when everying was not
like now.
She never knew he was going to be a Evill Killing leader


I mean Labour had Foot as their Leader
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/files/2010/03/foothannan.jpg

[MTVN]

Well done on quoting a deleted post that i couldnt be arsed arguing about. So you must have been gutted about the "grubby little terrorist" proving the slut wrong and winning his campaign for racial equality in south Africa.

Well obviously I hadn't realised you'd deleted it when I quoted it, it was there for quite a while

[billy123]

Well obviously I hadn't realised you'd deleted it when I quoted it, it was there for quite a whileOK no worries :)

[Vicky.]

Acccording to someone on my FB, this is currently #1 on the itunes chart.

[Jack_]

^ Indeed it is

[Beastie]

I think the song should be played. Let the bandwagon of Thatcher haters have their way. This will only brush over by next week until the next big/"controversial" thing comes along and this will be forgotten about. Who cares. I don't think Thatcher will care because she is dead. It says a lot more about people who use so much hate and hold a grudge rather than being the opposite and showing some love and moving on. If people used their emotions towards love than hate more often then the world would be a better place.

[arista]

But does the bloated BBC have the balls
to play it on the Sunday Chart show.

So far the bbc has said they do not know - fecking typical

[Jake.]

Still think that this is completely disgusting imo

[Me. I Am Salman]

Radio 1 will never play it

[Jack_]

It should be played simply because it's not the BBC's place to be taking a stance on a political issue. This is what people want to buy, so on the basic premise of the chart show - this is what you have to play. It doesn't have to be playlisted or even discussed but it needs to be played so as not to potentially poke their nose in on this issue.

I'm not entirely convinced they're going to play it but I'll be very disappointed if it's not. And that's not because I support this, it's because it simply isn't the BBC's choice to decide not to play a song that people have been buying and downloading. The show is meant to reflect this week's sales, so I'm sorry, but it needs to be played.

[Cherie]

IThis is what people want to buy, so on the basic premise of the chart show - this is what you have to play. It doesn't have to be playlisted or even discussed but it needs to be played so as not to potentially poke their nose in on this issue.t should be played simply because it's not the BBC's place to be taking a stance on a political issue.

I'm not entirely convinced they're going to play it but I'll be very disappointed if it's not. And that's not because I support this, it's because it simply isn't the BBC's choice to decide not to play a song that people have been buying and downloading. The show is meant to reflect this week's sales, so I'm sorry, but it needs to be played.


I agree they are funded by the licence payer end of.

[InOne]

I hope they don't do what they did with Crazy Frog and just say the title and not play it.

[Z]

They have to acknowledge it, but I doubt they'll play it. It's not their place to make political statements, but there's a line to be drawn somewhere and I think they'll draw it at playing a song that's charted to poke fun at a former British Prime Minister's death.

[arista]

BBC to play Ding Dong in chart show despite anti-Thatcher Facebook push

Radio 1 says it may ask Newsbeat reporter to explain context of song, as top five entry poses test for corporation's new chief


http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2013/apr/11/bbc-ding-dong-thatcher-facebook

[Kazanne]

I think the song should be played. Let the bandwagon of Thatcher haters have their way. This will only brush over by next week until the next big/"controversial" thing comes along and this will be forgotten about. Who cares. I don't think Thatcher will care because she is dead. It says a lot more about people who use so much hate and hold a grudge rather than being the opposite and showing some love and moving on. If people used their emotions towards love than hate more often then the world would be a better place.

100% right.

[joeysteele]

If it is in the charts and people have payed money to get it there, it should be played.

[Ninastar]

..I agree Ninastar and I think that whether people think it is disgraceful or justifed, as Dezzy said..it certainly has no class and only serves to hurt her family, who are actually grieving... no matter what the nation's views are..

..the reality of it is that the person this is all aimed at will never be effected by it as the lyrics 'wake up Maggie, I think I've got something to say to you..' will just not happen but her family and children especially, cannot help but be hurt by this sort of thing....

bang on as usual

and i think some people are actually enjoying this. it's just... i have no words

[Redway]

bang on as usual

and i think some people are actually enjoying this. it's just... i have no words

..I agree Ninastar and I think that whether people think it is disgraceful or justifed, as Dezzy said..it certainly has no class and only serves to hurt her family, who are actually grieving... no matter what the nation's views are..

..the reality of it is that the person this is all aimed at will never be effected by it as the lyrics 'wake up Maggie, I think I've got something to say to you..' will just not happen but her family and children especially, cannot help but be hurt by this sort of thing....

Spot on. People can be so stupid. :bored:

[Jake.]

bang on as usual

and i think some people are actually enjoying this. it's just... i have no words

This, spot on

[Redway]

If it is in the charts and people have payed money to get it there, it should be played.

I have to disagree with you on this one, as much as I usually agree with the gist of what you're saying.

Fair enough about people listening to it in their free time but I think we can afford to let a few quid slip by for the sake of her loved ones, who are actually mourning. Please don't think I'm having a go, but there are priorities and showing respect for those near to her is so much more important than money wasted on such a distasteful and utterly pointless song.

[Jake.]

Not being funny, people have bought this to mock a dead woman. Like her or not, it's disrespectful, and if BBCR or whoever else don't want to play it then so be it, people can listen to it with their headphones in if they really wish.

[joeysteele]

I have to disagree with you a little, as much as I usually agree with the gist of what you're saying.

Fair enough about people listening to it in their free time but I think we can afford to let a few quid slip by for the sake of her loved ones, who are actually mourning. Please don't think I'm having a go, but there are priorities and showing respect for those near to her is so much more important than money.

I'd never think you were having a go Redway, people cannot agree all the time,that is what makes debate and even chats more interesting.

Personally,I am more incensed at public money going to the funeral costs than I am as to this very short song having a week or two in the charts.
I am able though to see all points.

I just don't think myself that the BBC should fall down on one side or the other,so should just play the daft thing for a week and actually doing so will likely draw less attention to it anyway.

[Jack_]

BBC to play Ding Dong in chart show despite anti-Thatcher Facebook push

Radio 1 says it may ask Newsbeat reporter to explain context of song, as top five entry poses test for corporation's new chief


http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2013/apr/11/bbc-ding-dong-thatcher-facebook

This seems a decent compromise (for want of a better word), reflecting the sales but informing younger listeners of the context behind its entry. If this happens I think they've made a good decision. As I said, regardless of your views on this (and mine are fairly indifferent to be honest), it is not up to the BBC to take any kind of stance on this issue. The chart show is supposed to deliver the week's highest music sales, and by not playing this they have failed to do so...especially if it charts as high as it is looking to. They don't have to playlist it, but if this is what people wish to purchase, then this is what needs to be played.

[Redway]

I'd never think you were having a go Redway, people cannot agree all the time,that is what makes debate and even chats more interesting.

Personally,I am more incensed at public money going to the funeral costs than I am as to this very short song having a week or two in the charts.
I am able though to see all points.

I just don't think myself that the BBC should fall down on one side or the other,so should just play the daft thing for a week and actually doing so will likely draw less attention to it anyway.

Thanks for understanding. :tongue:

I've just been infuriated about this whole topic over this past week so I may sometimes come across as having a go. :p

[AnnieK]

I think they should just play it....it's getting more bloody attention with people debating whether or not it should be played. Her family will be under no illusion as of the strength of feeling both for and more notably against her. This is just feeding the fanaticals IMO who are trying to use anything as a fight. It's bad taste IMO but its not going to effect much in the long run.

[Jack_]

Not being funny, people have bought this to mock a dead woman. Like her or not, it's disrespectful, and if BBCR or whoever else don't want to play it then so be it, people can listen to it with their headphones in if they really wish.

The problem is is that this has been bought by opponents of Thatcher, and if the BBC were to not play this, it is perfectly feasible to argue they are taking a pro-Thatcher stance. It's not up to them to take sides on this, if this is what people wish to buy, and it makes it into the top 40, then by rights of the point of the chart show - it should be played. It doesn't need to be discussed, Scott only said 'following an online campaign it's reached #10' on the Update on Wednesday with no further detail, and it doesn't have to be playlisted, but by not playing it they are going out of their way to take a side on the issue, and that goes against the neutral and impartial position the BBC should hold.

What goes on in the real world is entirely separate from the BBC's output, it should simply just exist to reflect what is going on outside with no biased input of its own. If people have bought this song and it has charted high enough to be played on the Official Chart Show, Radio 1 should do what it always does and play it.

[Jake.]

But does it mean that they are being 100% pro Thatcher by not playing it? Could it not be that this whole campaign is disgusting and offensive to some? It's not some pop-song that's charted highly, it's a song that is being used to mock a persons death.

[Jack_]

But does it mean that they are being 100% pro Thatcher by not playing it? Could it not be that this whole campaign is disgusting and offensive to some? It's not some pop-song that's charted highly, it's a song that is being used to mock a persons death.

But it is not the BBC's place to decide that is wrong, it should remain neutral and impartial on all issues, reflecting both sides of the coin. It is not up to them to say 'nope, I'm sorry, this is disgusting so we're not playing it', because that is just a matter of opinion, and the BBC should not be letting their own personal agenda or opinions get in the way of the chart show's basis premise -which is to play the top 40 songs that people have been buying and downloading during the week. To go out of their way to not do that and specifically make a point of their own, defeats their entire objection.

The debates about whether or not this is acceptable should happen outside of the BBC, they are just merely a platform to reflect the happenings in the outside world in a unbiased manner.

[Jake.]

Yeah, good points Jack and I appreciate your point of view

[Ninastar]

But it is not the BBC's place to decide that is wrong, it should remain neutral and impartial on all issues, reflecting both sides of the coin. It is not up to them to say 'nope, I'm sorry, this is disgusting so we're not playing it', because that is just a matter of opinion, and the BBC should not be letting their own personal agenda or opinions get in the way of the chart show's basis premise -which is to play the top 40 songs that people have been buying and downloading during the week. To go out of their way to not do that and specifically make a point of their own, defeats their entire objection.

The debates about whether or not this is acceptable should happen outside of the BBC, they are just merely a platform to reflect the happenings in the outside world in a unbiased manner.

I don't see anything that isn't disgusting about a hate campaign over the death of someone...

[AnnieK]

This reminds me of Frankie Goes to Hollywood and Relax. That was initially released and then subsequently banned by Radio 1- which drove it to number 1 and got it far more attention than it would have got otherwise and the same thing is happening here. I agree with jack it should just be played and that be the end of it, it stops getting the attention and goes back to being just a song from the wizard of oz

[Jake.]

This reminds me of Frankie Goes to Hollywood and Relax. That was initially released and then subsequently banned by Radio 1- which drove it to number 1 and got it far more attention than it would have got otherwise and the same thing is happening here. I agree with jack it should just be played and that be the end of it, it stops getting the attention and goes back to being just a song from the wizard of oz

Very true Annie. If the trolls have their way for a week, it'll die down.

[Ammi]

..it was Annie, Jake lol..

[AnnieK]

Very true Ammi. If the trolls have their way for a week, it'll die down.

Am not Ammi, jake. :laugh:

[Jake.]

..it was Annie, Jake lol..

Oh for god sake haha, sorry Annie, have edited it now :blush:...

[AnnieK]

That's ok...being called Ammi is a compliment :love:

[Ammi]

..no worries Jake..Annie and I are practically the same person anyway..:love:...

[Jake.]

I'm normally fine but for some reason now and again I mix up names without evening noticing haha :(

[Ammi]

..LOL...snap..:lovedup:...

[Mystic Mock]

I don't agree with this campaign, although I must admit that I find it amusing.

But my point anyway is that we're suppose to be in a democracy and that the Government shouldn't be telling people how to feel, and the BBC should play the song as after all it is their job to play songs that are in the top 10.

I also think that the Tories aren't helping matters by spending 8 to 10 million pounds on a State Funeral, especially when this country is meant to be suffering financially.

[Jack_]

I don't see anything that isn't disgusting about a hate campaign over the death of someone...

Because you have to understand how this woman destroyed so many people's lives and communities, and how that will, understandably, have left them feeling bitter with resentment. I've had some people on my Twitter timeline longing for her death for years and tweeting things about parties when she finally dies. As I said, I don't really have much of an opinion on it myself and can see both sides of the argument, but you do have to see the flip side of this. The reason it's an opinion as to whether or not this is disgusting is because to me, this is near enough on the same level as dark-humoured jokes and comedians like Frankie Boyle making jokes at the expense of disabled children or people that have been murdered; while some people argue that's disgusting, some people take the view that comedy has no bounds and so as such it's not disgusting. This is, to me at least, is similar - it's making fun of somebody's death - some people will see that as disgusting, others will not. It all depends on how she affected your life, how much you know about her and how you stand on dark-humoured jokes and the like. It's a tiny bit above a 'sick' joke but it's not completely dissimilar.

Some people would also of course argue points like 'well, she's dead and she's not going to know about it - so why does it matter'?' or 'she wouldn't have cared anyway' or 'well if people are allowed to celebrate other people's deaths, like Osama Bin Laden's and yet we're supposed to respect the dead - why can't we celebrate this woman's death?', even if the difference in how they affected people's lives is drastically different. These aren't necessarily my views, I'm just pointing out how it is a matter of opinion whether this campaign is disgusting or not.

[Z]

On the flip side of the coin, by playing the song they could be accused of taking the side of the anti-Thatcher camp, it swings both ways. I think they're just as likely to just not play the song and say they don't want to play it out of political sensitivity as they are to play the song and get on with it. They should be impartial, absolutely, but how do you weigh up impartiality in a case like this? Very intriguing to see what will happen...

[Jake.]

Thing is, probably half of these people buying the song weren't even around during the era and are just jumping on the bandwagon. Not that it's relevant to it being played or not, just a point lol.

[Jack_]

On the flip side of the coin, by playing the song they could be accused of taking the side of the anti-Thatcher camp, it swings both ways. I think they're just as likely to just not play the song and say they don't want to play it out of political sensitivity as they are to play the song and get on with it. They should be impartial, absolutely, but how do you weigh up impartiality in a case like this? Very intriguing to see what will happen...

But when the point of the chart show is to play the top 40 songs that people have been buying during the week, to go out of their way to not do that would be them taking a stance on the issue (whether that's a political one or a moral one, it's not up to them to do so). If this makes the top 10 there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that it should be played, the top 10 is now streamed live on the Radio 1 website and all the videos are played (again, I'm not sure if there is one for this but if there isn't usually they either have a listener made video [LOL at the thought] or just play it without one) so there'd be absolutely no excuse not to. I know there was a point the Official Chart went through where they didn't play every song from 40 - 11, and then this issue would be a little different cause they could get away with it if it didn't reach #10, but I'm sure that's changed now.

[Redway]

Thing is, probably half of these people buying the song weren't even around during the era and are just jumping on the bandwagon. Not that it's relevant to it being played or not, just a point lol.

I have to agree with this. A lot of people have a chip on their shoulder about her because of what their parents tell them or w/e.

[Mystic Mock]

Thing is, probably half of these people buying the song weren't even around during the era and are just jumping on the bandwagon. Not that it's relevant to it being played or not, just a point lol.

You have a point, but you have got to remember that some of those younger people might have had parents that suffered really badly under Margaret Thatcher and are bitter towards her as it probably affected them in their childhood.

Although I still standby that she wasn't as bad as the likes of Robert Mugabe which is how some people make her out to be.

And before people say that I wasn't around during Thatcher's time, I think I would still have a good idea that she wasn't as bad as people like Robert Mugabe or Saddam Hussein.

[Jack_]

Thing is, probably half of these people buying the song weren't even around during the era and are just jumping on the bandwagon. Not that it's relevant to it being played or not, just a point lol.

That doesn't matter, I wasn't around during the era and I hate the woman, hate her politics, ideology and how her influence has left this country in the state we're in...and my parents don't feel the same. You don't have to have lived at the time to take a dislike to her/her politics so it's not necessarily bandwagon jumping. 90% of people today were not around during WW2 but we don't need to be to be appalled by Hitler's regime.

I expect the campaign (which was set up originally in 2007 IIRC) was started by someone or a group or people who did actually live during her time in office.

[Mystic Mock]

Hitler is a bit more evil than Thatcher though Jack lol.

Although I see your point.

[Jake.]

That doesn't matter, I wasn't around during the era and I hate the woman, hate her politics, ideology and how her influence has left this country in the state we're in...and my parents don't feel the same. You don't have to have lived at the time to take a dislike to her/her politics so it's not necessarily bandwagon jumping. 90% of people today were not around during WW2 but we don't need to be to be appalled by Hitler's regime.

But for people my/your age to not be around during that time and to dislike her politics (which is fine) is one thing, buying a song (which mocks her death) because you didn't like her politics (not refering to you personally here Jack) despite not being around then is just ridiculous.

[Redway]

That doesn't matter, I wasn't around during the era and I hate the woman, hate her politics, ideology and how her influence has left this country in the state we're in...and my parents don't feel the same. You don't have to have lived at the time to take a dislike to her/her politics so it's not necessarily bandwagon jumping. 90% of people today were not around during WW2 but we don't need to be to be appalled by Hitler's regime.

I expect the campaign (which was set up originally in 2007 IIRC) was started by someone or a group or people who did actually live during her time in office.

I respect what you're saying, but if people are stupid enough to start rioting over a dead woman then they're probably stupid enough not to form a valid opinion on her politics et al.

[Z]

But when the point of the chart show is to play the top 40 songs that people have been buying during the week, to go out of their way to not do that would be them taking a stance on the issue (whether that's a political one or a moral one, it's not up to them to do so). If this makes the top 10 there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that it should be played, the top 10 is now streamed live on the Radio 1 website and all the videos are played (again, I'm not sure if there is one for this but if there isn't usually they either have a listener made video [LOL at the thought] or just play it without one) so there'd be absolutely no excuse not to. I know there was a point the Official Chart went through where they didn't play every song from 40 - 11, and then this issue would be a little different cause they could get away with it if it didn't reach #10, but I'm sure that's changed now.

As you said, they don't always play the forty songs in the countdown, and considering the length of the song they may well just omit it anyway and spend less than a minute explaining the context of its chart placing for that week. I agree that it's a chart show, it should play the chart, but as this is a politically sensitive issue, they'll be criticised for playing it and they'll be criticised for not playing it, so I think whatever transpires they'll try and give a very balanced view - to simply not play it or to simply play it, either way without an explanation, would be highly inflammatory.

[Brother Leon]

The "They weren't born when she was in power" debate is ridiculous.

[AnnieK]

That doesn't matter, I wasn't around during the era and I hate the woman, hate her politics, ideology and how her influence has left this country in the state we're in...and my parents don't feel the same. You don't have to have lived at the time to take a dislike to her/her politics so it's not necessarily bandwagon jumping. 90% of people today were not around during WW2 but we don't need to be to be appalled by Hitler's regime.

I expect the campaign (which was set up originally in 2007 IIRC) was started by someone or a group or people who did actually live during her time in office.

I agree but I think jake is not referring to people like you who actually know what her policies were and what she stood for and dislike her for that but more people who just love a ruck as there is undoubtably this at play too.

[Mystic Mock]

But for people my/your age to not be around during that time and to dislike her politics (which is fine) is one thing, buying a song (which mocks her death) because you didn't like her politics (not refering to you personally here Jack) despite not being around then is just ridiculous.

Of course it's ridiculous, but refusing to play a song (as after all that's all it is) is going to make them look ridiculous, plus this country isn't suppose to be like China or Russia where we tell people what we can and can't do.

[Z]

Yeah I think it's a pretty condescending point to make. If you were alive during her time in office, you're far more likely to have a strong opinion on the matter, and yes, many people who were born after her time in office, or were too young to remember it, will not be very knowledgable about her, but anyone can research her politics and form their own opinion on her...

[Jake.]

I agree but I think jake is not referring to people like you who actually know what her policies were and what she stood for and dislike her for that but more people who just love a ruck as there is undoubtably this at play too.

This all over. If you're clued up and know you're stuff then fair enough, but the amount of younger morons who will buy it despite not even having a clue is silly

[Ammi]

That doesn't matter, I wasn't around during the era and I hate the woman, hate her politics, ideology and how her influence has left this country in the state we're in...and my parents don't feel the same. You don't have to have lived at the time to take a dislike to her/her politics so it's not necessarily bandwagon jumping. 90% of people today were not around during WW2 but we don't need to be to be appalled by Hitler's regime.

I expect the campaign (which was set up originally in 2007 IIRC) was started by someone or a group or people who did actually live during her time in office.

..honestly Jack, you really can't equate Margaret Thatcher with Hitler..but on the subject of WW2..that was a nation joined together and united in war and their losses and fears...what's happening now is a nation united in hatred..and people have a right to feel that if they want to and feel very passionately about it and show those feelings...but the people who don't feel the same, because she's dead and don't see the point in this, will feel just as passionately that this whole thing and everything on the internet etc is distasteful....

[Jake.]

Of course it's ridiculous, but refusing to play a song (as after all that's all it is) is going to make them look ridiculous, plus this country isn't suppose to be like China or Russia where we tell people what we can and can't do.

It's not really though Mock, the song is being used as a parody as a womans death.

[Jack_]

Hitler is a bit more evil than Thatcher though Jack lol.

Although I see your point.

I know that, I'm just making the point that you don't have to have lived in an era to dislike what a particular political figure did. I've seen a couple of posts in that other thread over the last few days which have almost suggested people should move on and stop blaming her for their lives, which to me, is utterly ridiculous because the effects of her polices and ideology is still prevalent today. I said it in the thread - Thatcher may have died but Thatcherism lives on, and there's no real cause for celebration.

But for people my/your age to not be around during that time and to dislike her politics (which is fine) is one thing, buying a song (which mocks her death) because you didn't like her politics (not refering to you personally here Jack) despite not being around then is just ridiculous.

But the 'it's ridiculous' statement is just an opinion as I said to Ninastar (so I won't go over it all again :p), you have to understand the flip side and how this woman affected so many people's lives and the lives of so many people's parents and how some people are just totally appalled by what she carried out, and how to some of those people, this will not be a disgusting campaign at all - it's just a matter of opinion, there is no definitive answer.

[Mystic Mock]

Well I wasn't around at her time but by what I've heard about Margaret Thatcher off my parents, and research off the Internet, I personally don't like her views as I thought that she was highly racist, and that she treated the working class like Dogs, plus covering up the Hillsborough disaster is another black mark.

[Jake.]

People were able to discuss their negative opinions of her since 1980 odd, god knows why they still can't without this disgusting campaign

[Jake.]

But the 'it's ridiculous' statement is just an opinion as I said to Ninastar (so I won't go over it all again :p), you have to understand the flip side and how this woman affected so many people's lives and the lives of so many people's parents and how some people are just totally appalled by what she carried out, and how to some of those people, this will not be a disgusting campaign at all - it's just a matter of opinion, there is no definitive answer.

So the way to argue with this 'appalling' behaviour is to react with appalling behaviour? :p

[Mystic Mock]

It's not really though Mock, the song is being used as a parody as a womans death.

I know, but I'd rather that than potentially more rioting if they don't even get heard on TV for the week.

[Brother Leon]

The song should be played anyway. The BBC's job is to play the top 10. Them playing it isn't anymore of an insult or slap in the face than her supporters trying to force Liverpool Supporters to have a silence for her over the weekend.

[Redway]

But the 'it's ridiculous' statement is just an opinion as I said to Ninastar (so I won't go over it all again :p), you have to understand the flip side and how this woman affected so many people's lives and the lives of so many people's parents and how some people are just totally appalled by what she carried out, and how to some of those people, this will not be a disgusting campaign at all - it's just a matter of opinion, there is no definitive answer.

Depends from which perspective from which you look at it. It is not open for discussion that those who knew her must be suffering enough right now without these celebrations and that song topping the charts and it certainly isn't a matter of opinion that those grieving should be shown respect.

[Jake.]

Also, all of this destroying town shops and burning things over the last few days by her 'haters', some of whom looked far too young to be around then and no doubt heard things from their parents.

[Redway]

The song should be played anyway. The BBC's job is to play the top 10. Them playing it isn't anymore of an insult or slap in the face than her supporters trying to force Liverpool Supporters to have a silence for her over the weekend.

I live in the poxy city and yet here am I...and I don't even like her policies.

[Jack_]

As you said, they don't always play the forty songs in the countdown, and considering the length of the song they may well just omit it anyway and spend less than a minute explaining the context of its chart placing for that week. I agree that it's a chart show, it should play the chart, but as this is a politically sensitive issue, they'll be criticised for playing it and they'll be criticised for not playing it, so I think whatever transpires they'll try and give a very balanced view - to simply not play it or to simply play it, either way without an explanation, would be highly inflammatory.

I'm not sure if that's changed though now, but the top 10 is always played in full ever since they started the whole streaming thing, and as this looks likely to chart inside the top 10, there really isn't any reason why it shouldn't be played - if it is outside the top 10 and the rest of the chart still isn't always played, there'll be more leeway. I do agree the context of its charting should be explained though, the link arista posted which suggests that's what they'll be doing seems a fair way to solve this IMO. You reflect the sales and you inform the listeners, that lives up to the BBC's mantra perfectly.

..honestly Jack, you really can't equate Margaret Thatcher with Hitler..but on the subject of WW2..that was a nation joined together and united in war and their losses and fears...what's happening now is a nation united in hatred..and people have a right to feel that if they want to and feel very passionately about it and show those feelings...but the people who don't feel the same, because she's dead and don't see the point in this, will feel just as passionately that this whole thing and everything on the internet etc is distasteful....

I'm not comparing her to Hitler, I need to make that clear, I'm just making the point that if people will discuss him when they weren't around at the time, people can do the same towards Thatcher...that's all I was trying to say.

I absolutely agree with the rest of what you've said though, people are entitled to find this disgusting and people are entitled to feel disgusted at what she did to their lives and their communities, my original point was just simply that this debate should happen outside of the BBC and they should have no input into this whatsoever other than to play the song as that's what the point of the chart show is, explain a bit of the context behind it in a balanced and impartial manner, and move on. It's not up to them to be saying 'well this is disgusting so we aren't playing it'.

[Jake.]

you have to understand the flip side and how this woman affected so many people's lives and the lives of so many people's parents and how some people are just totally appalled by what she carried out

And I fully understand this, except what I don't understand is how some stupid campaign being done for a laugh is going to solve anything. Because it isn't.

[Brother Leon]

I live in the poxy city and yet here am I...and I don't even like her policies.

I am 99% sure every Liverpool fan and especially the Hillsborough families would rather spit on her grave than have a minute silence for her..Does that mean anything to the "She should be honoured countrywide" brigade? No. The song is disrespectful to her, but if it's charted it's charted and should be played. For all the people who may like like her there are people who don't. Why should they be muted?

[Ammi]

..I sometimes think that the public would be happy if they burned her body on a public funeral pyre in the streets..I thought we'd come a long way from the angry mob and pitchforks...this song should be played because it is number 1 but the whole thing, for me is extremely distasteful...these things only hurt her children, who were very young when she was in power and are blameless of anything, people attribute to her..and her grandchildren, who weren't even born...she herself, will not be effected by this at all...

..this is the last post I will make about Margaret Thatcher's death because I don't see anything positive in a nation joined in hatred....

[Redway]

I am 99% sure every Liverpool fan and especially the Hillsborough families would rather spit on her grave than have a minute silence for her..

You shouldn't tar everyone under the same brush in that case...people think differently.

[Jake.]

The reason I think it should be stopped/muted is because it isn't getting anybody anywhere. People who like her can discuss with others why they like her. The exact same for people who hate her. Why should everybody have to fall under this distasteful, silly campaign? As Ammi said, people close to her will be having a hard time mourning, and to hear/see things like this everywhere isn't going to help them in any way. People can say 'it's fine because she was an evil cow', which is a fine opinion, but the keyword there being was. It's not going to affect her, it's going to affect her loved ones.

[Jack_]

So the way to argue with this 'appalling' behaviour is to react with appalling behaviour? :p

But whether or not this is appalling behaviour or not is a matter of opinion, that's the point I'm trying to make :p whether her policies were appalling or not is also a matter of opinion, but there's no definitive answer to this as I explained to Ninastar

The bottom line of my argument is that these debates should happen outside of the BBC, they exist merely to reflect what is going on outside in the real world - and if a song has reached the top 10 in the chart, by rights of the point of the chart show, Radio 1 should play it. It's not up to them to be taking any side on any issue.

Depends from which perspective from which you look at it. It is not open for discussion that those who knew her must be suffering enough right now without these celebrations and that song topping the charts and it certainly isn't a matter of opinion that those grieving should be shown respect.

I disagree I'm afraid, and not because I want to disrespect her family members, I paid my respects to them in the original thread, but I really, personally, do not see how the song being played will affect them either way. They obviously must be aware of the campaign by now and I don't think it being played in a chart show where, like it or loathe it - it has actually charted, is going to change anything. And of course I expect they'll have heard much, much worse things about their mother throughout her life, they knew she was a divisive figure and she knew that herself anyway (and I don't think she'd have given one toss about this whole thing) so I don't think the debate on whether Radio 1 should play this is really going to affect them that much - I'm sure the funeral and supporting each other is much higher on their lists right now, I think they'll have had decades to prepare for this kind of reaction.

[Brother Leon]

You shouldn't tar everyone under the same brush in that case...people think differently.

Pretty sure you support Chelsea anyway...you living in Liverpool has nothing to do with how they view her..

[Redway]

Pretty sure you support Chelsea anyway...you living in Liverpool has nothing to do with how they view her..

Unless you've been round the whole city and interviewed every single Liverpool supporter, you can't really speak for masses...

[Jack_]

And I fully understand this, except what I don't understand is how some stupid campaign being done for a laugh is going to solve anything. Because it isn't.

Well that's another discussion entirely and not one I really have an opinion on to be quite honest (like I said I'm indifferent on the whole issue, just am certain that the BBC should not involve itself in this at all by taking a stance and not playing it). My point was just about the BBC and that whether or not this is 'disgusting' is a matter of opinion, it's not a fact either way.

[Jake.]

Well that's another discussion entirely and not one I really have an opinion on to be quite honest (like I said I'm indifferent on the whole issue, just am certain that the BBC should not involve itself in this at all by taking a stance and not playing it). My point was just about the BBC and that whether or not this is 'disgusting' is a matter of opinion, it's not a fact either way.

Oh no I know what you mean about the BBC and how they should play the song :p my points are more about how, in my opinion, this pathetic attempt at a 'campaign' shouldn't be here in the first place... but as you said, it's a bit of a different discussion.

[Jack_]

Oh, also...on the subject of 'riots', I'd like to make the point that those 'riots' (which could of course begin as protests but turn into riots due to...ahem...the police force, but be reported as 'riots'), if they do happen next week, will more than likely happen because of the issues surrounding this tax-payer funded funeral she's receiving...not because she's dead. That whole issue is another debate entirely (which is being had elsewhere) but it's adding insult to injury to people and communities who were crushed by her policies, so I'd understand it if they happened and for me it'd be a case of 'well, they (the government) got what's coming to them' by funding it that way.

[Me. I Am Salman]

omg if riots happen next week, I go past St Pauls Cathedral on my way to college

[Jack_]

If there's any peaceful demonstrations going on I'm sure the police will bring out their old friend kettling and turn it into something much more than that which'll be completely taken out of context in its reporting and made out that the people demonstrating instigated it. But we'll see.

[Locke.]

Unless you've been round the whole city and interviewed every single Liverpool supporter, you can't really speak for masses...

99.99% of Liverpool fans hate her, and the ones that don't need to have a word with themselves

[Ninastar]

..I sometimes think that the public would be happy if they burned her body on a public funeral pyre in the streets..I thought we'd come a long way from the angry mob and pitchforks...this song should be played because it is number 1 but the whole thing, for me is extremely distasteful...these things only hurt her children, who were very young when she was in power and are blameless of anything, people attribute to her..and her grandchildren, who weren't even born...she herself, will not be effected by this at all...

..this is the last post I will make about Margaret Thatcher's death because I don't see anything positive in a nation joined in hatred....

thank you, i wish i had a way with words like you :lovedup:

[Ammi]

Oh, also...on the subject of 'riots', I'd like to make the point that those 'riots' (which could of course begin as protests but turn into riots due to...ahem...the police force, but be reported as 'riots'), if they do happen next week, will more than likely happen because of the issues surrounding this tax-payer funded funeral she's receiving...not because she's dead. That whole issue is another debate entirely (which is being had elsewhere) but it's adding insult to injury to people and communities who were crushed by her policies, so I'd understand it if they happened and for me it'd be a case of 'well, they (the government) got what's coming to them' by funding it that way.

..well, we do all remember the London riots Jack and that lives were lost and businesses were burned and people lost their livelihoods..let's hope that doesn't happen but a riot isn;t a controlled situation and maybe it won't just be the Government who 'get something that's coming to them'...and any victims will be innocent...these things solve nothing and only make people as bad as the cause they think they're protesting against.....

[joeysteele]

Oh, also...on the subject of 'riots', I'd like to make the point that those 'riots' (which could of course begin as protests but turn into riots due to...ahem...the police force, but be reported as 'riots'), if they do happen next week, will more than likely happen because of the issues surrounding this tax-payer funded funeral she's receiving...not because she's dead. That whole issue is another debate entirely (which is being had elsewhere) but it's adding insult to injury to people and communities who were crushed by her policies, so I'd understand it if they happened and for me it'd be a case of 'well, they (the government) got what's coming to them' by funding it that way.

I think you have hit on a strong point there Jack.
For instance, my Dad has been a lifelong Conservative and strong supporter of Margaret Thatcher in her time.
However,he is stunned at this funding of her funeral in any way at all by the taxpayer.
He obviously won't riot, (I am trying to picture that actually :joker:), he has said though the whole thing is way over the top and nothing at all should come from taxpayers as to this funeral.
I am sure there will be many that think like him on that too.

[Apple202]

the whole campaign is completely pathetic and disgusting.. the fact it's #1 on our itunes right now makes me feel ashamed to be british

[InOne]

the whole campaign is completely pathetic and disgusting.. the fact it's #1 on our itunes right now makes me feel ashamed to be british

Maybe everyone just remembered how much they liked the song

[Apple202]

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[Cherie]

..I sometimes think that the public would be happy if they burned her body on a public funeral pyre in the streets..I thought we'd come a long way from the angry mob and pitchforks...this song should be played because it is number 1 but the whole thing, for me is extremely distasteful...these things only hurt her children, who were very young when she was in power and are blameless of anything, people attribute to her..and her grandchildren, who weren't even born...she herself, will not be effected by this at all...

..this is the last post I will make about Margaret Thatcher's death because I don't see anything positive in a nation joined in hatred....


how exactly are they blameless, they could have carried out her funeral in private, they didn't need to go along with this circus and get all police leave cancelled due to the risk of protest, and injury, they didn't need to spend 10 million on a funeral, most folk are cremated/buried for a few grand, they didn't need to ask Shirley Bassey, Lloyd Webber, Jeremy Clarkson, the Queen, et al to attend the service as I understand it Margaret Thather asked not to be considered to have a state funeral, so I'm pretty sure she didn't want the next rung down, so who exactly is it that wants this charade? and what is the point of it all? pretty sure we wouldn't have this at No.1 if details for her funeral weren't in our face ever news bulletin.

[Kizzy]

when is it the right time to vent your spleen?
Society is at the moment one big champagne bottle of disappointment, disillusionment and frustration. She symbolised an 'every man for himself' ethos, I don't think this is all for maggies benefit but the whole conservative government.

[Locke.]

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[Kizzy]

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[DigitalSid]

The lady is dead for god sake, people need to show some respect for someone who was willing to spearhead this country through the toughest depression the country had seen at the time -- when no one else was willing to. She had balls, determination and wasn't afraid to make the tough decisions, something which this country is severely lacking now with the likes of Cameron and his pet monkey.

Rest in peace Margaret, rest assured, there are some level people in the world that actually do appreciate the work you did for us.

Didn't have you down as a closet Tory boy Sawyer.

Those condemning this, however petty it may be, clearly have no real knowledge of the actual legacy of that vile fascist's reign, she knowingly and systematically destroyed the North of England and South Wales to score party political points, she caused the new bedroom tax by selling off our council houses with no intention to replace them, she dismantled our countries industries and created today's huge gap between the poor and the wealthy, she introduced homophobic law and she spoke out against feminism, she ordered the killing of 300 innocent Argentinians and she actively supported racial apartheid in South Africa. My condolences to her family (except her convict son (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Equatorial_Guinea_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat_attempt) and racist daughter (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7868401.stm)), but as for Thatcher herself, good riddance.

[arista]

Radio 1 will never play it


You have not got a Glue

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Radio 1
will play it

[Ammi]

how exactly are they blameless, they could have carried out her funeral in private, they didn't need to go along with this circus and get all police leave cancelled due to the risk of protest, and injury, they didn't need to spend 10 million on a funeral, most folk are cremated/buried for a few grand, they didn't need to ask Shirley Bassey, Lloyd Webber, Jeremy Clarkson, the Queen, et al to attend the service as I understand it Margaret Thather asked not to be considered to have a state funeral, so I'm pretty sure she didn't want the next rung down, so who exactly is it that wants this charade? and what is the point of it all? pretty sure we wouldn't have this at No.1 if details for her funeral weren't in our face ever news bulletin.

..I have no idea who made the decisions for the funeral..her family..?..the monarchy..?..parliament..?...who knows..I don't, but I won't assume that it was her children/grandchildren..or that they were left with any final decisions..and all the public glee at her death started before any funeral arrangements were announced, so really I don't think that is the reason for the number 1 position for the song.....

...but hey ho, people can chant ding dong merrily on high, the witch has gone as much as they want if it makes them feel better to do so...but it doesn't change anything and has no effect on Margaret Thatcher or the past whatsoever...but whatever floats their boat, I guess...maybe there'll be protests...maybe there'll be riots..maybe people will get hurt..loss of lives..maybe damage to properties/businesses...who knows...maybe it'll all just calm and pass peacefully...so long as the public feel as though they've had their 'pound of flesh'/last say..whatever they feel the need for..I guess it's just a shame the person it's directed at won't be around to appreciate it all....

[Shaun]

Those condemning this, however petty it may be, clearly have no real knowledge of the actual legacy of that vile fascist's reign

on what grounds do you draw that assumption? Are only supporters of Thatcher allowed to protest to the charts on grounds of dignity now?

[Jesus.]

Her children aren't going to be listening to the chart show on Sunday with their fingers crossed as the countdown to number one takes place, regardless of what people think. Grief is a private emotion that we all need to confront and deal with in our own way. When loss has hit me, I wouldn't be able to tell you what is on TV or radio, and I highly doubt her children will either.

She was such a divisive figure, and remains the figurehead for mountains of unnecessary suffering in this country, where families were forced into conflict with each other, communities devastated, and parts of the country were left to rot.

It's quite right that people are allowed to celebrate her death. To many, she wasn't a prime minister in the true sense of the word, she was responsible for launching attacks on her own people, yet all of us westerners love it when middle-eastern despots get taken out by their people.

I hate displays of Diana faux grief, but I won't be purchasing the song. Will the world miss her? Absolutely not, if anything, her memory will hopefully awaken the political slumber in lots of people as we allow another batch of right-wing social engineering to take place in our own generation.

Thatcher used her freedom of speech to crush her opponents in life, let the people she bullied return that compliment in her death, and the fact she's not around to see it is neither here nor there. She knew full well how people felt about her.

So what if a few protesters smash up a couple of shops? That was just a regular night out for the Bullingdon club, and they now run the country. When people appealed to her in life to show a sense of decency, she ignored their pleas.

[arista]

"Her children aren't going to be listening to the chart show"

Very True JHC

[joeysteele]

I wish this song had not been able to get to the charts but since it is, then it should be played.
There is absolutely no reason why the BBC need to give any explanation of why it is in the charts,all they need to do is play it for a week,2 at the most likely.
The attention drawn to it because of the should it be played/not be played debate has only increased the attention afforded to it.

It is unfortunate, however there are very strong feelings as to Margaret Thatcher and I don't get why people who have massive and justified grievances as to her from her time as PM have to either shut up completely or join in the 'wasn't she a near Saint brigade'.
Personally, I have no issues with her myself, I wasn't even born in the year she was stabbed cruelly in the back politically by her so called friends and Conservative colleagues.

I am sad for her family that she has died and for their loss, however both the Thatchers have showed scant regard for the British, I don't feel any kind of distant endearment towards them like I do others in public life.
I find Carol Thatcher particularly very annoying myself,that will be of no concern to them what I really think anyway.

All I will now say, is if I knew my Mother,like their Mother had stated,that she wanted no fuss as to her funeral,(as there wasn't for Dennis Thatcher their Dad),then no matter the status of my Mother, I would be fighting tooth and nail to give her the funeral she stated.
I would not either in any form whatsoever allow any party political hijacking of the funeral.
More importantly and most certainly though I would refuse and never accept any public funding in any way to be put in place for the funeral too.

Why should it be that people are expected to be treading on eggshells where Margaret Thatcher is concerned.
That is as wrong as most of the false and 2 faced tributes that have been flowing over recent days, many from the people who helped to utterly destroy her as PM too,some of whom actually carried out the act too.

Respect the dead by all means but stop re-writing history as to what someone was and did when they were alive.

[Cherie]

..I have no idea who made the decisions for the funeral..her family..?..the monarchy..?..parliament..?...who knows..I don't, but I won't assume that it was her children/grandchildren..or that they were left with any final decisions..and all the public glee at her death started before any funeral arrangements were announced, so really I don't think that is the reason for the number 1 position for the song.....

...but hey ho, people can chant ding dong merrily on high, the witch has gone as much as they want if it makes them feel better to do so...but it doesn't change anything and has no effect on Margaret Thatcher or the past whatsoever...but whatever floats their boat, I guess...maybe there'll be protests...maybe there'll be riots..maybe people will get hurt..loss of lives..maybe damage to properties/businesses...who knows...maybe it'll all just calm and pass peacefully...so long as the public feel as though they've had their 'pound of flesh'/last say..whatever they feel the need for..I guess it's just a shame the person it's directed at won't be around to appreciate it all....


No we don't we haven't been told who is the driving force behind this unnecessary charade, as you pointed out MT won't care so why is all this money being spent, why is our overstretched police force being put in the firing line, why will we have to put up with 3 hours of coverage on a channel that the public fund. Why have tax payers to contribute to the cost. People have to show their feelings in some way, apathy is a way of life now, if it the only way people can protest then it's not so bad. The words tasteless, and unclassy have been bandied around well I would apply those words to the funeral as well. No need for any of it.

[Marc]

This is pretty sick tbh

[DigitalSid]

on what grounds do you draw that assumption? Are only supporters of Thatcher allowed to protest to the charts on grounds of dignity now?

To phrase what I meant better, those condemning those behind this. I don't disagree that it's distasteful, but when millions of people have seen whole generations of their family made jobless and die penniless by her, when people have seen their towns go from prosperous industrial hubs to derelict congregations of sink estates in less than a decade, purely to get one over on the trade unions, it's *incredibly* hard for them to feel sympathy for the woman who showed no sympathy at all for them and not, however undignified it may be, revel in her own misfortune. This woman who made the poor impoverished (the South Wales valleys never recovered from her and probably never will, knowing what just 35 years ago it was like up there then seeing it now, it's truly depressing) died in the Ritz hotel for god's sake.

[Kizzy]

Y4d2pT5-FLM

''The human side of Margaret Thatcher '' :laugh2:

[DigitalSid]

Y4d2pT5-FLM

Britain will never be a fair country while that smug thatcherite toff remains in power.

[DigitalSid]

Y4d2pT5-FLM

''The human side of Margaret Thatcher '' :laugh2:

Do lizard witches have human sides? :laugh:

[arista]

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Media/Pix/pictures/2013/4/10/1365596059435/The-Wizard-of-Oz-007.jpg

[DigitalSid]

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Media/Pix/pictures/2013/4/10/1365596059435/The-Wizard-of-Oz-007.jpg

Satan's on the left, Margaret's on the right, though they're basically the same construct :laugh:.

[the truth]

one tory claimed last night she wasnt the wicked witch of the east , she was in fact dorothy, yeah and he was fffing toto the arse licking rat dog

[arista]

BBC will play 5 seconds of the song
they have just said Live

[Marc]

Won't be playing it on the chart show, haha they all wasted their money

[arista]

Won't be playing it on the chart show, haha they all wasted their money

They will
but only 5 seconds of it

[Marc]

but it'll have somebody speaking over it no doubt

[arista]

but it'll have somebody speaking over it no doubt


Do not make it complex

[Jesus.]

The campaign probably wasn't about the actual playing of the song on the radio.

Poor decision by the BBC, because People have an on/off button for this very reason.

[Marc]

Don't forget there are other chart countdowns.. I'm sure Heart FM has one

[Jack_]

Very poor decision on the BBC's part, I've always been a fan of Radio 1 but this is completely the wrong way to go about things. It is not up to them to take a stance on this, it's not up to them to say 'nah sorry we disagree so we aren't playing it', the chart show is supposed to be a rundown of what people have been buying and downloading, and if this makes it into the top 10 especially, there is no reason why they shouldn't be playing it - that is, after all, the point of the show.

[joeysteele]

Daft decision by the BBC but it is what's expected from the BBC nowadays, bias and bad judgement.

[InOne]

Typical Of the Bloated BBC

/arista

[Shaun]

pretty silly decision but I don't really care

[Jack_]

Then again this decision has been made by Ben Cooper, the same man who pandered to the misguided BBC Trust and replaced their most successful breakfast show host in decades with Nick Grimshaw, and has turned the station into a One Direction and 12 year old girls obsessed network.

Actually talking of Moyles it's times like these I miss him on the station because regardless of whether he'd have been told not to or not, he'd have started a discussion on this on Monday and if he didn't agree with it he'd have made a point of not playing it, just as he did with 99% of Chris Brown's songs. Grimmy will toe the party line I'm sure.

[arista]

Very poor decision on the BBC's part, I've always been a fan of Radio 1 but this is completely the wrong way to go about things. It is not up to them to take a stance on this, it's not up to them to say 'nah sorry we disagree so we aren't playing it', the chart show is supposed to be a rundown of what people have been buying and downloading, and if this makes it into the top 10 especially, there is no reason why they shouldn't be playing it - that is, after all, the point of the show.



Yes but you are not in charge

[arista]

Then again this decision has been made by Ben Cooper, the same man who pandered to the misguided BBC Trust and replaced their most successful breakfast show host in decades with Nick Grimshaw, and has turned the station into a One Direction and 12 year old girls obsessed network.

Actually talking of Moyles it's times like these I miss him on the station because regardless of whether he'd have been told not to or not, he'd have started a discussion on this on Monday and if he didn't agree with it he'd have made a point of not playing it, just as he did with 99% of Chris Brown's songs. Grimmy will toe the party line I'm sure.


Do you not Like Ben C.

He might give you a job ?

[arista]

Typical Of the Bloated BBC

/arista


For Sure

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/04/11/article-2307480-193D0335000005DC-297_634x437.jpg

The Facebook group promo


Ch5HD News just played Live
20seconds of the song

The bloke behind it
says its a Joke

[Saph]

they played that awful rage against the machine song on christmas day, so they should play this too :idc:

[Saph]

isn't the song only like 40 seconds long anyway? :s

[arista]

isn't the song only like 40 seconds long anyway? :s

No
55 seconds

[Marc]

Poor Maggie

[Saph]

oh... well near enough :p

[arista]

Ben just said on Ch5HD News
its not a Political track like billy bragg
its a personal attack track.

Jack
Ben has no choice

[Jack_]

The DM Reporter
‏@DMReporter
MAGGIE: Join our crusade to have downloading ‘Ding Dong the Witch is Dead’ reclassified as a hate crime.

https://twitter.com/DMReporter/status/322711992781635584

:joker: :joker: :joker: :love:

also we need the Twitter embed thing plz

[AnnieK]

Then again this decision has been made by Ben Cooper, the same man who pandered to the misguided BBC Trust and replaced their most successful breakfast show host in decades with Nick Grimshaw, and has turned the station into a One Direction and 12 year old girls obsessed network.

Actually talking of Moyles it's times like these I miss him on the station because regardless of whether he'd have been told not to or not, he'd have started a discussion on this on Monday and if he didn't agree with it he'd have made a point of not playing it, just as he did with 99% of Chris Brown's songs. Grimmy will toe the party line I'm sure.

Totally agree about Chris, he would play it if he deemed fit or not even if he was told to...

[Shaun]

they played that awful rage against the machine song on christmas day, so they should play this too :idc:

except Killing in the Name isn't awful and it beat Joe McElderry so shut up Saph

[Ninastar]

What a shame. Glad the trolls didnt get what they wanted

[Saph]

except Killing in the Name isn't awful and it beat Joe McElderry so shut up Saph

it was a horrible song and i'll never forgive/forget :idc:

[Tom4784]

it was a horrible song and i'll never forgive/forget :idc:

Gurl stop.

[Jack_]

I would now love this to make it #1 purely to see how they squirm and try and get out of not playing the actual number 1 and how they'd get around their numerous plays and mentions of the week's current number 1 throughout the rest of the daytime schedule. That'd be hilarious, because them trying to avoid it then would be beyond moronic.

They should've played it, moved on and then it would've been forgotten about. Now they're drawing attention to themselves and I'll be surprised if this doesn't spark more people to download it just to make a point to the BBC.

[AnnieK]

I would now love this to make it #1 purely to see how they squirm and try and get out of not playing the actual number 1 and how they'd get around their numerous plays and mentions of the week's current number 1 throughout the rest of the daytime schedule. That'd be hilarious, because them trying to avoid it then would be beyond moronic.

They should've played it, moved on and then it would've been forgotten about. Now they're drawing attention to themselves and I'll be surprised if this doesn't spark more people to download it just to make a point to the BBC.

Which is exactly what happened when they banned Frankie goes to hollywood. It got far more exposure than it would have done.

[Marc]

Funniest thing of the year probably

[Shaun]

the BBC used to ban playing quite a few songs on weird grounds. Notably the Kinks' Lola, because it's about a transvestite. :conf2:

[Shaun]

Fun reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_songs_banned_by_the_BBC

[InOne]

Even if they don't play it it will always be known as the number 1 the week Thatcher died.

[AnnieK]

I wish they would stop it though now...they are ruining The Wizard of Oz for me now.

[Tom4784]

Everything about this is pointless and annoying.

She's dead so it won't affect her in the slightest, what's the point in rubbing it in her family's faces?

[arista]

I would now love this to make it #1 purely to see how they squirm and try and get out of not playing the actual number 1 and how they'd get around their numerous plays and mentions of the week's current number 1 throughout the rest of the daytime schedule. That'd be hilarious, because them trying to avoid it then would be beyond moronic.

They should've played it, moved on and then it would've been forgotten about. Now they're drawing attention to themselves and I'll be surprised if this doesn't spark more people to download it just to make a point to the BBC.


It will be number 1
its number 3 now.

But Ben has said even if it makes number 1
you still only get 5 or 4 seconds

[Redway]

Everything about this is pointless and annoying.

She's dead so it won't affect her in the slightest, what's the point in rubbing it in her family's faces?

[2.]

[Apple202]

jack i'm sorry but why are you being so bitter

[Cherie]

Everything about this is pointless and annoying.

She's dead so it won't affect her in the slightest, what's the point in rubbing it in her family's faces?

water off a ducks back I should think, they had to endure her being endlessly mocked on Spitting Image and similar programmes during her terms of office they must have expected some backlash. Princess Diana she ain't.

[Tom4784]

water off a ducks back I should think, they had to endure her being endlessly mocked on Spitting Image and similar programmes during her terms of office they must have expected some backlash. Princess Diana she ain't.

It's different mocking someone when they're in the throes of grief though. The glee at her death is just undignified for all involved, the only thing a person can achieve by mocking the dead is lowering themselves.

[Marc]

To think this country is capable of being that horrid makes me worry

[Black Dagger]

they played that awful rage against the machine song on christmas day, so they should play this too :idc:

no

[Jack_]

jack i'm sorry but why are you being so bitter

I'm not being bitter :conf: I've already said numerous times my opinion on this campaign is actually largely indifferent, my problem is with the BBC breaking their supposed impartial and neutral purpose. I have always respected it as an institution and have defended it against many things, but for it to take a stance on a political or moral issue, whatever you wish to call this, goes against everything it is supposed to stand for, and that's my problem. It is not their place to decide whether this is right or wrong, that debate happens outside of the BBC. This song looks set to make it to the top 10 in the Official Chart, therefore, they should do what they always do (and what the point of that show actually is), and play the song in full, and then move on. A commercial station can do whatever they want, but it's not up to the BBC, Radio 1 or Ben Cooper to say 'well actually nah I think this is disgusting so we're not playing it', personal opinions or feelings on this should not affect, influence or change any aspect of their programming.

I'd also just like to point out (and this doesn't mean I support this campaign at all) but some people had their lives and communities ruined by this woman, people and places of which have never recovered since, and I think they are perfectly entitled to still feel bitter.

[Cherie]

It's different mocking someone when they're in the throes of grief though. The glee at her death is just undignified for all involved, the only thing a person can achieve by mocking the dead is lowering themselves.

Well that's a view, personally I think the outrage is a bit OTT its just a song, it would be interesting to see if there is an age group that has predominantly bought this, it is so easy to download music now it takes no effort at all so just like P J and Duncan reaching No. 1 it has only happened because of ease of access and because it is cheap. If people had to physically go out and buy it, imo it would never have charted never mind reach top 3 or wherever it is.

[Me. I Am Salman]

I want this to be #1 and played just to annoy Daily Mail

[Jack_]

I want this to be #1 and played just to annoy Daily Mail

You're not alone on that one although what's funny is their front page coverage of this story will have, if anything, propelled and fuelled the campaign even further (BBC News have actually done the same...shooting themselves in the foot really). You could say they'll have got this to chart as high as it has themselves, kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy, which makes it all the more hilarious to see the outrage pouring from their every article and column

[DigitalSid]

EXCLUSIVE: Munchkin fury at Maggie Ding Dong! The Witch Is Dead song
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4885886/munchkin-fury-at-thatcher-ding-dong-song.html

Best headline ever?

The only thing that saddens me about this whole thing is learning that Muchkins are Tories.

[Kizzy]

:laugh2:

[Jack_]

Thatcher's supporters have began trying to rival this campaign by buying a song called 'I'm in Love With Margaret Thatcher' by the Notsensibles, without realising the song is actually a piss take. ****ing morons :joker: :joker: :joker: :joker: :joker:

Here's an interview with the band from Sky News on the rival campaign:

OlQdTXKfYkg

The sarcasm gushing out :love:

[MTVN]

The bloke on the right must have gone mental

[Jake.]

Won't be playing it on the chart show, haha they all wasted their money

Shame that

[Jack_]

Haha the publicly funded BBC refraining from being impartial haha

[Vicky.]

Ended up having to play this at work last night :(

We refused about 10 times, same table of people kept requesting it, think they found themselves funny. So they went and whinged onto gavins dad that we were refusing to play the songs they asked for. So he went down our necks saying we cant refuse :bored:

Actually went down quite well, the whole bar seemed to find it funny. But just :bored:

[Jake.]

Ended up having to play this at work last night :(

We refused about 10 times, same table of people kept requesting it, think they found themselves funny. So they went and whinged onto gavins dad that we were refusing to play the songs they asked for. So he went down our necks saying we cant refuse :bored:

Actually went down quite well, the whole bar seemed to find it funny. But just :bored:

Bloody morons :bored: If people have bought it, fair enough, that's their own concern... but the fact that they have gone out of their way to make others clearly feel uncomfortable for a laugh is pathetic.

[Jack_]

I only find bits of this funny in the same sense that I find dark humour funny, as I said before in this thread this is pretty much exactly the same if you ask me, the same kind of shocked laughs I give Frankie Boyle jokes is the same kind of laugh I've given to this, so I think that's why I'm largely indifferent towards it, I can see both sides. It's not exactly tasteful but neither are dark humoured jokes, it's not exactly respectful but then she didn't respect a lot of those in support of this campaign. I guess it also depends on whether you like that kind of humour as well, if you won't laugh at a comedian's joke about someone that's been murdered you won't laugh at this.

In all honesty if the usual media suspects hadn't given this as much attention as they have I really doubt we'd be in this position, they've fuelled the fire and only have themselves to blame.

[Jake.]

I only find bits of this funny in the same sense that I find dark humour funny, as I said before in this thread this is pretty much exactly the same if you ask me, the same kind of shocked laughs I give Frankie Boyle jokes is the same kind of laugh I've given to this, so I think that's why I'm largely indifferent towards it, I can see both sides. It's not exactly tasteful but neither are dark humoured jokes, it's not exactly respectful but then she didn't respect a lot of those in support of this campaign. I guess it also depends on whether you like that kind of humour as well, if you won't laugh at a comedian's joke about someone that's been murdered you won't laugh at this.

In all honesty if the usual media suspects hadn't given this as much attention as they have I really doubt we'd be in this position, they've fuelled the fire and only have themselves to blame.

:love:

But yeah, I'm all for a bit of dark jokes or whatever, I'm just not a fan of this at all. I think that the odd joke about her would be, well not fine or okay, but you know what I mean, but this campaign I find to be very distasteful indeed. But yeah, that's my opinion of it :p

[Marsh.]

EXCLUSIVE: Munchkin fury at Maggie Ding Dong! The Witch Is Dead song
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4885886/munchkin-fury-at-thatcher-ding-dong-song.html

Best headline ever?

The only thing that saddens me about this whole thing is learning that Muchkins are Tories.


The Sun obviously don't know that Jerry Maren died two years ago, he can't be commenting on anything. :joker:

[Jake.]

The Sun obviously don't know that Jerry Maren died two years ago, he's can't be commenting on anything. :joker:

:joker:

[Marsh.]

At least I think he is, google tells me he died in January 2011. :laugh:

[Patrick]

:laugh2: I love the British Public.

[MTVN]

Jerry Maren's not dead :suspect:

[Marsh.]

Jerry Maren's not dead :suspect:

Like I said, I'm not sure but that's what google says. :laugh:

[arista]

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2013/4/12/1365795782262/Judy-Garland-as-Dorothy-a-009.jpg

[Jack_]

Ding Dong over Thatcher song makes the BBC no better than China

The BBC's decision to censor the protest track from The Wizard of Oz recalls the Chinese Communist party

In 2011, Chinese censors tried to erase mentions of jasmine from its state-policed web. They banned shops and markets from selling the plant. They cancelled the 2011 China international jasmine cultural festival. They even plucked from the web a video of President Hu Jintao singing Mo Li Hua, a Qing dynasty paean to the jasmine's delicate flowers.

It wasn't that the communists objected to jasmine in particular or climbing and rambling plants in general. They were frightened because, after the "jasmine revolution" in Tunisia, anonymous voices had called for a jasmine revolution in China. The paranoid authorities were censoring jasmine's symbolic meaning; the hidden message known only to initiates.

The worst that can be said of the Tory press and the BBC is that they have now sunk to the level of the Chinese Communist party. Since MGM released The Wizard of Oz in 1939, few have found the Munchkins' chorus – "Ding dong! The Wicked Witch is dead/ Wake up sleepy head, rub your eyes, get out of bed" – obscene or subversive in the least.

But Britain's surreal conservatives did not want the BBC to ban the song because its words were libellous or a breach of the criminal law. They hated the song not because of what it said but because the intention of the left wingers who bought it was to celebrate the death of Margaret Thatcher.

The silencing of the Munchkins must rank as one of the most inept acts of censorship Britain has seen. The days when the Radio 1 playlist made or broke a song's chances went with the invention of the web. Neither the Daily Mail nor the parliamentary Conservative party appeared to know that if you want to ban a single today, you need to compel YouTube and iTunes to take it down.

Ham-fisted though it may be, the attack on The Wizard of Oz tell us much about the authoritarianism of British conservatism and the cowardice of the BBC. It proves that the right can be just as politically correct as the left. Thatcher's supporters might have tried to win the argument. They might have said that it is contemptible to celebrate the death of a sick old lady, who had been the democratically elected leader of a free county. They might have directed our attention to her grieving friends and family. They might have pointed out that Mrs Thatcher left power 23 years ago and it is politically illiterate to blame her for the ills of the present. They might, in short, have tried to have convinced their opponents of the justice of their cause in free debate. Instead, they tried to silence.

As for the BBC, what is there left to say about it? Can it show The Wizard of Oz again? Can it only run the film after the 9pm watershed? Must the announcer warn: "This children's story contains Munchkin choruses that some viewers may find offensive"? Its decision to ban every part of the song except for a five-second clip in a news report shows clearly something that many people outside the media rarely understand: the BBC folds under pressure.

During the debate on the politicians' plans to regulate the press and news websites, many people have asked why journalists should worry when regulation works so well at the BBC. The behaviour of the BBC last week explains why. Tory MPs and the Daily Mail picked on the BBC rather than iTunes or YouTube because they knew they had a chance of winning. Any other media organisation might have said it stood by the principles of free speech. If music buyers had, for whatever reason, put a song in the charts they had a duty to play it.

Because the BBC is funded by a licence fee everyone must pay, because it is in the end a state broadcaster, it is far easier to intimidate. "Free speech is an important principle," said Tony Hall, its director general, as he struggled to explain his behaviour. Politicians know he doesn't mean it. They understand that if they make life hard enough for the corporation it will abandon its principles.

Why do you think that during her decade in power Margaret Thatcher never privatised it?

The Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/apr/13/ding-dong-song-thatcher-bbc-china)

[Marcus.]

Judy Garland (Et Al.)
Ding-Dong! the Witch Is Dead

is no1 in the itunes chart but so is

Notsensibles
I'm in Love With Margaret Thatcher

no8 in the itunes chart

[Jack_]

It'll be interesting to see if Ben Cooper dares to play the rival song. I know it's a pisstake song that pro-Thatcher supporters seem to have missed the point of and it'd be hilarious to laugh at them, but its title is, at face value at least, the opposite of the Ding Dong campaign and I think if they play that, they've stepped into very dodgy territory.

[Marcus.]

It'll be interesting to see if Ben Cooper dares to play the rival song. I know it's a pisstake song that pro-Thatcher supporters seem to have missed the point of and it'd be hilarious to laugh at them, but its title is, at face value at least, the opposite of the Ding Dong campaign and I think if they play that, they've stepped into very dodgy territory.

it should be a good listen of the chat tomoro

[InOne]

It'll be interesting to see if Ben Cooper dares to play the rival song. I know it's a pisstake song that pro-Thatcher supporters seem to have missed the point of and it'd be hilarious to laugh at them, but its title is, at face value at least, the opposite of the Ding Dong campaign and I think if they play that, they've stepped into very dodgy territory.

Is the piss take song about wanking over her or something? Not heard much about it and don't really want to listen to it.

[Marcus.]

Is the piss take song about wanking over her or something? Not heard much about it and don't really want to listen to it.

well in maybe in the chart inone

[Kizzy]

It's by the notsensibles... :laugh2:

[Marcus.]

It's by the notsensibles... :laugh2:

yeah i just looked at the itunes chart and saw it at number 8

[Vicky.]

ROFL at what they have chosen to rival it with :laugh:

[Marcus.]

ROFL at what they have chosen to rival it with :laugh:

never heard of it
but i will tomoro

[Marcus.]

no 9 now the I'm in Love With Margaret Thatcher

[Cherie]

so is buying this song deemed to be respecting her then..:conf: give me strength

[Marcus.]

so is buying this song deemed to be respecting her then..:conf: give me strength

its tit for tat cherie

[AnnieK]

its tit for tat cherie

Tit for tit more like :laugh:

[Niall]

I think it's kind of ridiculous that the BBC are only playing a 5 second clip. The bloody thing is only 50 seconds long anyway. What's the point?

[Cherie]

Tit for tit more like :laugh:

:laugh2:

[Marcus.]

I think it's kind of ridiculous that the BBC are only playing a 5 second clip. The bloody thing is only 50 seconds long anyway. What's the point?

they are say niall for the respect of her

Tit for tit more like :laugh:

aye annie it is:joker:

[Kizzy]

TzMI_gXQllo

[Kizzy]

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http://s1.b3ta.com/host/creative/92579/1365427014/wickedwitch.jpg

[Jack_]

Time to watch the BBC let themselves down. Here's the link to watch the chart live:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/

The video player will load on the homepage after a few seconds

[Marcus.]

its not top 5

[Jack_]

Yeah it's at #9 on iTunes now

I wonder if the rival track will chart though, can't see it anywhere from 40 - 9

[Marcus.]

Yeah it's at #9 on iTunes now

I wonder if the rival track will chart though, can't see it anywhere from 40 - 9

dont think it was there

edit it was not in the top 40 itune chart

[King Gizzard]

Played the other song in full. Give me strength.

[Marcus.]

Played the other song in full. Give me strength.

did they :hugesmile:

[Jack_]

Played the other song in full. Give me strength.

On Radio 1? Are you sure? I've not seen it on the countdown list :suspect:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/chart/singles

[Jack_]

Oh hang on I've seen it, if they played that in full and they don't the other one they've just crossed a very dodgy line. A sad day for the BBC

[King Gizzard]

I just saw someone tweet that they did I don't have it on :laugh: Play both or don't play either

[Marcus.]

the itunes one there one number 11 so

[Jack_]

Yep, sounds like they played it from what I'm seeing on Twitter. If Ding Dong isn't played in full any accusations of bias will be completely justified.

It's either both or neither, as Nathan said. You can't pick and choose what to censor...you're the BBC, you're supposed to remain neutral.

[Marcus.]

Yep, sounds like they played it from what I'm seeing on Twitter. If Ding Dong isn't played in full any accusations of bias will be completely justified.

It's either both or neither, as Nathan said. You can't pick and choose what to censor...you're the BBC, you're supposed to remain neutral.

we find out soon if the play all of it

[Marcus.]

big top 40 did not play it

[arista]

Yep, sounds like they played it from what I'm seeing on Twitter. If Ding Dong isn't played in full any accusations of bias will be completely justified.

It's either both or neither, as Nathan said. You can't pick and choose what to censor...you're the BBC, you're supposed to remain neutral.



No it will not be played in full.

5 seconds is enough

Its Number 1 in the BBC charts

[Jack_]

arista you are missing the point. Not only is it not the BBC's place to take a stance on this issue, it is also certainly not their place to refuse to play a song that has been bought by people who are anti-Thatcher but will play a song that has been bought as a rival campaign by people who are pro-Thatcher (even if they've missed the sarcasm pouring from the song). That is them taking a side on a political issue, and as the BBC is a publicly funded institution which is supposed to remain neutral on all matters, they have gone against their entire objective.

[Vicky.]

And people say the BBC is biased towards the 'left' :whistle:

[Jack_]

Both songs should be played, they've charted and the chart show plays all the songs in the top 40, that's the bottom line of it.