Rolf Harris found guilt on 12 counts of indecent assault

[Marc]

http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/304/media/images/67101000/jpg/_67101451_harris_pa_2012.jpg

Rolf Harris has been questioned by police over historical allegations of sexual offences.

The 83-year-old entertainer and artist was interviewed under caution after attending police premises in south London by appointment in November.

On 28 March, Mr Harris, from Berkshire, was arrested and bailed until May.

He was held as part of the inquiry set up after claims were made against Jimmy Savile although his arrest is unrelated to the former BBC DJ and TV presenter.

Operation Yewtree was set up following the death of Savile in 2011, when hundreds of sex abuse allegations came to light.

The Metropolitan Police did not name Mr Harris after he was first questioned or following his arrest and have still not formally identified him. He is described by them as Yewtree 5.

Although the media was aware of Mr Harris's name in November, they chose only to report that an 82-year-old man had been questioned. His name was first reported by the Sun on its website and later editions of the newspaper on Friday.

His name has not been revealed by the BBC until now for legal reasons, says BBC News home affairs correspondent Danny Shaw.

Twelve arrests

Mr Harris's home in Berkshire was searched in November but he was not at the house at that point.

Scotland Yard said in March: "An 82-year-old man from Berkshire was arrested by officers on Operation Yewtree on suspicion of sexual offences.

"He has been bailed to a date in May pending further inquiries. The individual falls under the strand of the investigation we have termed 'others'."

Mr Harris, one of 12 people arrested as part of Operation Yewtree, has not yet made any public comment.

The police investigation has three strands.

One is looking specifically at the actions of Savile, and the second strand concerns allegations against "Savile and others".

The third strand relates to complaints against other people unconnected to the Savile investigations, made by people who came forward after widespread coverage of the scandal.

Other high-profile names who were questioned in connection with the investigation are PR consultant Max Clifford, comedian Freddie Starr, DJ Dave Lee Travis and comedian Jim Davidson - who all deny any wrongdoing. Gary Glitter, 69, whose real name is Paul Gadd, who was also arrested, has not yet made a statement.

A former driver for the BBC, David Smith, 66, has been charged with past sex offences following his arrest in December.

A former BBC producer, Wilfred De'Ath, arrested last year in Cambridgeshire over an allegation of indecent assault on a girl in the 1960s, has been told he will not face any charges.

:o No! Not Rolf!

[Nedusa]

I'm hearing on the news that Rolf Harris is now a suspect in the ongoing operation yewtree, apparently he is "Yewtree No.5" in their ongoing investigations.

I must say if proven this will shock millions of people as he is regarded as a British treasure much loved and respected by millions in this country.

If all the allegations are false then I will be similarly shocked that his reputation has been forever tarnished with his alleged involvement in this sordid affair.

[joeysteele]

I'm hearing on the news that Rolf Harris is now a suspect in the ongoing operation yewtree, apparently he is "Yewtree No.5" in their ongoing investigations.

I must say if proven this will shock millions of people as he is regarded as a British treasure much loved and respected by millions in this country.

If all the allegations are false then I will be similarly shocked that his reputation has been forever tarnished with his alleged involvement in this sordid affair.

Good and balanced post.

I am stunned at this revelation. I really hope it is wrong and that any allegations are false.
Showbusiness though, is a strange world,it never sceases to amaze me what celebrities think they can get away with.

Rolf is a massively respected man in the UK, if this gets proven,I would then wonder really who could be trusted in showbusiness after that.

[Black Dagger]

I think really they'll just be questioning any old celebrity that is still alive that was big in the 70's/80's

I just hope it isn't Rolf, I'll be gutted. :sad:

[Roy Mars III]

is the thread title suppose to say 'ROFL' cause I do not think this is funny Marc

[Z]

:/

[Vicky.]

Wonder why he can be named this time round when the press were gagged last time :suspect:

[Tom4784]

I said it before and I'll say it again, if Rolf turns out to be a peado I'll lose all faith in Humanity.

[MTVN]

Strange that this was posted on here a few months back but it turned out to be false reporting, now its actually true

is the thread title suppose to say 'ROFL' cause I do not think this is funny Marc

:joker:

[the truth]

i think theres amassive problem with the law when they name and shame the accused, destroying their lives and reputations yet the accuser is kept anonymous even if the charge is false. cant they both remain anonymous until there is hard evidence and a prosecution is made?

as for rolf I dont believe it. He wouldnt harm a fly. if hes innocent it is a disgrace that an 82 yr old man , and a lovely man at that and his family have to be dragged through this public humiliation. the law needs changing.

if hes guilty, the law still needs changing and like fellow posters Id lose all faith in humanity too

[Jesus.]

Can you tell what he did yet?

[Smithy]

is the thread title suppose to say 'ROFL' cause I do not think this is funny Marc

:joker::joker::joker:

[the truth]

Can you tell what he did yet?

no I guess you had to be there

[Suze]

:o No! Not Rolf!

:o :(

[Jake.]

:(

[Lee.]

Told you so :idc:

[bbfan1991]

Well he has been rumoured to be the one arrested for ages, but has not be charged yet.

If he is guilty of anything I will be so shocked and will rightly condemn him, but if he is innocent will never escape people talking about it.

[Ryan57]

If true, then wow. Brings a whole new meaning to Two Little Boys.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

Somewhere in between
The waxing and the waning wave
Somewhere in between
What the song and silence say
Somewhere in between
The ticking and the tocking clock
Somewhere in a dream between
Sleep and waking up
Somewhere in between
Breathing out and breathing in
Like twilight is neither night nor morning

[joeysteele]

Just said on the news that it is not connected to the Jimmy Saville situation but there is only one allegation against Rolf.
I have a feeling this is going to come to nothing in the end.

[arista]

He has not been Charged

[Patrick]

rofl

[Marc]

Genuinely didn't realise I had typed ROFL :laugh:

[Jords]

:/

[Marc]

:/

[Omah]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-22594336

Entertainer Rolf Harris has performed his first live show since his arrest over historical sexual assault claims.

The broadcaster and artist received multiple standing ovations from the audience at the Rolf Harris Live show in Bristol on Saturday.

The 83-year-old entertainer thanked fans for their support.

"You've no idea what this means - for you all to turn up with such support and such enthusiasm," he told the audience.

:idc:

[Kizzy]

Knew it! Waiting for Ken Dodd and Brucie to be hauled in too....

[Lee.]

Ken Dodd deffo!

[arista]

http://news.sky.com/story/1124869/rolf-harris-re-arrested-over-more-sex-claims

arrested again today

[Marc]

Oh Rolfy

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2013/8/5/251900/default/v1/mirror-1-329x437.jpg

[Z]

Nasty for him if he's innocent, nastier if he's guilty

[Livia]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2013/8/5/251900/default/v1/mirror-1-329x437.jpg

It makes me laugh the photos these rags use to accompany their sordid stories.

Of all the people concerned with Yewtree, I find it hard to believe that Rolf Harris could be guilty. We'll see... He's not been charged with anything yet though. And several people have been arrested, and then released with no further action.

[Z]

If there's ever an incentive to not become famous, The Sun is it.

[Livia]

If there's ever an incentive to not become famous, The Sun is it.

If one day I have more money than I could ever spend I'm going to start my own newspaper. I'm going to have my journalists follow other tabloid journalists and editors around, pry into their private lives, dig up old mistakes and misdemeanors and make a big issue of them, go through their bins, hack their phones, lie about them and generally make their lives a living hell. Every time they open their front door one of my photographers will take their picture.

Well, a girl needs a hobby.

[Z]

If one day I have more money than I could ever spend I'm going to start my own newspaper. I'm going to have my journalists follow other tabloid journalists and editors around, pry into their private lives, dig up old mistakes and misdemeanors and make a big issue of them, go through their bins, hack their phones, lie about them and generally make their lives a living hell. Every time they open their front door one of my photographers will take their picture.

Well, a girl needs a hobby.

I would get a subscription. And a security team.

[Nedusa]

If he's found guilty will he be deported once he's finished his sentence ??

[arista]

It makes me laugh the photos these rags use to accompany their sordid stories.

Of all the people concerned with Yewtree, I find it hard to believe that Rolf Harris could be guilty. We'll see... He's not been charged with anything yet though. And several people have been arrested, and then released with no further action.



Yes The papers need a Dodgy Front Page to sell more

[Kizzy]

Shame those in the upper echelons won't be punished...

[arista]

Harris is now charged with
:: Six counts of indecent assault relating
to a girl aged between 15 and 16, from 1980 to 1981;

:: Three offences of indecent assault
relating to a girl aged 14, in 1986;

:: Four offences of making
indecent images of a child between March and July 2012







http://news.sky.com/story/1134637/rolf-harris-faces-child-sex-charges

[AnnieK]

Wow...am shocked by this..

[Z]

Oh dear

[RichardG]

:o :(

[Ellen]

Doesnt mean any of it is true though.

Jim Davidson started off with one charge that got bumped up to 12 in the end. He has been told the charges have been dropped.

Its a trail by Media.

[zenon]

Can't believe this, no way in the world could he be a horrible man.

[arista]

Doesnt mean any of it is true though.

Jim Davidson started off with one charge that got bumped up to 12 in the end. He has been told the charges have been dropped.

Its a trail by Media.



So your saying the Police put those
Indecent Child Images on his Computer
just last year?

[the truth]

If one day I have more money than I could ever spend I'm going to start my own newspaper. I'm going to have my journalists follow other tabloid journalists and editors around, pry into their private lives, dig up old mistakes and misdemeanors and make a big issue of them, go through their bins, hack their phones, lie about them and generally make their lives a living hell. Every time they open their front door one of my photographers will take their picture.

Well, a girl needs a hobby.

Great idea but what if arista started her newspapers and start stalking you and your hacks? Then Kizzy started stalking aristas hacks and Rupert murdochs grandson stewie then started going through kizzys bin bags? where does the vicious circle end? I believe if a man wants privacy he can sort of find it. It involves never bragging publicly about anything, never share ideas with distrustful mooks and in short never complain never explain!

[the truth]

even if they find him guilty , even if they throw him into a 6 foot cell until hes 90....even if all the alleged victims come forward and cry about what happened on Jeremy kyle or piers morgan, even then I will never ever believe any of this. I suspect strongly in this awful chavland the main mission statement of the chavless workless masses is if theres blame theres a claim....this is the tail end of what Michael Jackson faced by his false accusers. not one single allegation made against jacko was proven and he was 100% totally exonerated from all criminal activities, a fact often conveniently forgotten by the hateful masses

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/09/23/article-2429816-183161FB00000578-779_634x889.jpg
He dragged his Ill wife in with him today

"Rolf Harris to deny charges of indecent assault and making indecent
images of a child as he appears in court accompanied by wife Alwen"

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2429816/Rolf-Harris-arrives-court-face-charges-indecent-assault-making-indecent-images-child.html#ixzz2fi3kxMQn

[anne666]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/09/23/article-2429816-183161FB00000578-779_634x889.jpg
He dragged his Ill wife in with him today

"Rolf Harris to deny charges of indecent assault and making indecent
images of a child as he appears in court accompanied by wife Alwen"

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2429816/Rolf-Harris-arrives-court-face-charges-indecent-assault-making-indecent-images-child.html#ixzz2fi3kxMQn

"Dragged" his ill wife? Maybe she wanted to support her husband? As many would.

[arista]

"Dragged" his ill wife? Maybe she wanted to support her husband? As many would.


Yes
so long as he is not guilty

[Suze]

"Dragged" his ill wife? Maybe she wanted to support her husband? As many would.


Yes, well, this is from the Daily Mail. What else could you expect really from that rag.

[Jesus.]

HmL3m2zcoOI

[anne666]

Yes
so long as he is not guilty

I would hope she believes he's innocent as she's there.

[Kazanne]

Does anyone know what the verdict is yet!!:hugesmile:

[Ammi]

Does anyone know what the verdict is yet!!:hugesmile:

..can you tell what it is yet..?....seriously his case hasn't gone to trial yet has it...

[joeysteele]

I am actually really stunned by this,he will be pleading not guilty it is said.
It all sounds bizarre.
Rolf Harris,for me would have been one of the last people I would have expected to be in this situation.

[MTVN]

I am going to guess guilty

[GypsyGoth]

I bet he fingered the queen when he was painting her.

[Marc]

:o

[GypsyGoth]

http://i.imgur.com/SeW86yP.gif

[arista]

Rolf has now been charged 3 more assaults on girls


Ref: SkyNewsHD and BBCNewsHD

[Black Dagger]

I've just had to go through the heartache of Ian being one, not Rolf as well :sad:

[Me. I Am Salman]

wht a freak

[Marsh.]

I bet he fingered the queen when he was painting her.

:joker:

[Marcus.]

wowers i rembered when he was on tv

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

the question now is who hasn't touched kids inapropriately.

[Marcus.]

the question now is who hasn't touched kids inapropriately.

aye it is

[Natalie.]

i'll never be able to watch animal hospital again now
great theme tune that

rolf why, wondering who's next

[arista]

i'll never be able to watch animal hospital again now
great theme tune that

rolf why, wondering who's next


No one will Ch5 has them shelved

[Marcus.]

and he not going to be on tv till this is done

[thesheriff443]

i'll never be able to watch animal hospital again now
great theme tune that

rolf why, wondering who's next

if only those animals could talk:bawling:

[Nedusa]

He's innocent I tell ya..... Innocent !!!!!

[thesheriff443]

rolf is just down the road from me he was selling his art work with another artist in a village hall, that has now stopped.

[Z]

I just can't believe this spate of sexual abuse accusations that have come out ever since Savile died. It makes you think they couldn't all possibly be true, as shown by the Michael Le Vell case, surely some of these accusations are just the work of compulsive liars? I just can't get my head around somebody allegedly being able to abuse so many people and then not one of those people coming forward for decades and then they all do it at once... I mean I can understand somebody taking the brave step to come forward and then others doing it when they realise they aren't alone and don't have to be afraid... but not after so many decades...

[Vicky.]

I just can't believe this spate of sexual abuse accusations that have come out ever since Savile died. It makes you think they couldn't all possibly be true, as shown by the Michael Le Vell case, surely some of these accusations are just the work of compulsive liars? I just can't get my head around somebody allegedly being able to abuse so many people and then not one of those people coming forward for decades and then they all do it at once... I mean I can understand somebody taking the brave step to come forward and then others doing it when they realise they aren't alone and don't have to be afraid... but not after so many decades...

Indeed.

The sheer amount of people coming forward now is just ludicrous. Makes me think most are just in it for the compensation :/

I mean, theres no way to prove it now anyway, surely?

[Z]

Indeed.

The sheer amount of people coming forward now is just ludicrous. Makes me think most are just in it for the compensation :/

I mean, theres no way to prove it now anyway, surely?

I know... I mean I feel horrible for daring to suggest that people are making this stuff up because obviously that's the worst thing you could say to a victim of a sexual assault - but the timing and sheer scale of it all is just mad. Proving historical accusations of rape/sexual assault is more or less impossible I think?

[arista]

In Court today
Rolf had a thing for under age girls


This is shocking news

[Crimson Dynamo]

In Court today
Rolf had a thing for under age girls


This is shocking news

That is what the prosecution has alleged isnt it?

[arista]

That is what the prosecution has alleged isnt it?


Loads of Girls
Even his Own Daughter
were raped by him.


They never met each other
but all came forward after he started going to court

All saying he Groomed them
in the same sick way.


LT I know this is Shocking
but Rolf is Evil

[Niamh.]

He raped his own daughter? Jesus.

[arista]

He raped his own daughter? Jesus.


Yes

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/05/09/article-2624114-1DB1F10900000578-902_634x497.jpg
what I hate is his Wife next to him

Why did she let him Rape under age children?

[Niamh.]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/05/09/article-2624114-1DB1F10900000578-902_634x497.jpg
what I hate is his Wife next to him

Why did she let him Rape under age children?

Yeah, is it her daughter he raped? If so that is completely revolting that she's standing by him

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/05/09/article-2624114-1DB1EC8200000578-113_634x508.jpg

You Never Stopped him

[arista]

Yeah, is it her daughter he raped? If so that is completely revolting that she's standing by him



He groomed her.

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/05/09/article-2624114-1DB1B4DA00000578-521_634x427.jpg


Pedophile


'What I did was wrong but we are fallible and I deluded myself'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2624114/Rolf-Harris-trial-hears-confession-letter-alleged-victims-father.html#ixzz31EUjXpFk

http://news.sky.com/story/1258248/rolf-harris-letter-i-am-sickened-by-myself

[Crimson Dynamo]

what the feck is wrong with these people?

[Kazanne]

His letter to victims father.
http://news.uk.msn.com/uk/rolf-harris-letter-to-girls-father/

[Marsh.]

:eek: I can't believe it.

[arista]

:eek: I can't believe it.


Yes it is a Shock


He even Painted the Queen

[Niamh.]

Yes it is a Shock


He even Painted the Queen

Is that a euphemism Arista? :shocked:

[Ryan57]

Unless I'm mistaken, it's alleged that he molested a friend of his daughter and so hasn't raped his own daughter...

[arista]

Is that a euphemism Arista? :shocked:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/quiz/08/09/10/114541/media/rolf_pa203.jpg

[arista]

Unless I'm mistaken, it's alleged that he molested a friend of his daughter and not his actual daughter...


No that as well

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/06/05/article-2154748-1373A388000005DC-266_634x416.jpg

[Crimson Dynamo]

Bloody Hell Rolf, could you not have kept your didgeridoo in your pocket?

[Crimson Dynamo]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/06/05/article-2154748-1373A388000005DC-266_634x416.jpg

Rolf explains to the Queen how he would love to fist Kylie

[Black Dagger]

Depressing.

[Ryan57]

Source for him having raped his own daughter?

[arista]

Source for him having raped his own daughter?



It will be here soon

[arista]

"But concealed behind this charming and amicable children's entertainer lay a man who exploited the very children who were drawn to him.

"His fame and reputation meant no one suspected or challenged his behaviour."

None of the alleged victims - who were aged between seven or eight and 19 - knew each other.

The court heard about one 'victim' who was 11 or 12 in 1969 when the indecent assault allegedly took place in Australia.

The woman claims Harris said "Come here, I want to be the first one to give you a tongue kiss" before grabbing her and sticking his tongue in her mouth.

Another woman who came forward was eight when, she claims, Harris touched her inappropriately after she asked him for an autograph in a community centre packed with children.

Harris denies all 12 charges against him. The trial continues.

[Ryan57]

Pretty sure if he'd raped his own daughter it'd be plastered across the internet.

[Marsh.]

a man who exploited the very children who were drawn to him.

That's not his own children, but child fans of him.

[arista]

Pretty sure if he'd raped his own daughter it'd be plastered across the internet.


Yes I heard it on Radio
so can not get a link yet


Fair point to you


I do not trust Rolf or his Wife

Like Saville
he used the BBC to protect him

[arista]

He was doing it Down Under
then when the BBC gave him shows
he did the same in our nation

[Livia]

The trial's only just started... but I see the TiBB jury has reached its conclusion already.

[arista]

The trial's only just started... but I see the TiBB jury has reached its conclusion already.

One victim was allegedly abused by Harris for 16 years, starting when she was 13, prosecutor says
Harris, made a CBE in 2006, was a 'Jekyll and Hyde' character, court told

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2624114/Rolf-Harris-trial-hears-confession-letter-alleged-victims-father.html#ixzz31EkHicjB


Livia to many even from down under all say the same attack from Harris
but they do not know each other.
between 1968 and 1986

I hope you watch some news

[Livia]

One victim was allegedly abused by Harris for 16 years, starting when she was 13, prosecutor says
Harris, made a CBE in 2006, was a 'Jekyll and Hyde' character, court told

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2624114/Rolf-Harris-trial-hears-confession-letter-alleged-victims-father.html#ixzz31EkHicjB


Livia to many even from down under all say the same attack from Harris
but they do not know each other.
between 1968 and 1986

I hope you watch some news

The operative word in your post arista is 'allegedly'. Only the prosecution has spoken so far.

Yes, I will watch the news. What I won't do is reach a conclusion based on a few salacious snippets from the prosecution.

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/5/9/307772/default/v1/9880755-1-1-942x530.jpg

[arista]

The operative word in your post arista is 'allegedly'. Only the prosecution has spoken so far.

Yes, I will watch the news. What I won't do is reach a conclusion based on a few salacious snippets from the prosecution.


OK


But all these girls
all said the same thing about Harris
none knew each other - thats a Fact

[Crimson Dynamo]

http://lighthouse.abatn.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/prison-bars.jpg


Can you see what it is yet?

[arista]

He is Going To Jail
I put money on it.

[Livia]

OK


But all these girls
all said the same thing about Harris
none knew each other - thats a Fact

With respect arista, you don't know any of the facts apart from what's been printed in the press. They're having a trial so that the facts are all laid out and until they are, no one can reach a conclusion.

[arista]

With respect arista, you don't know any of the facts apart from what's been printed in the press. They're having a trial so that the facts are all laid out and until they are, no one can reach a conclusion.


No that was a Reporter who was in court
then on Radio5



I understand what you are saying
but I will post all the front pages later.

This Case is a Shocker
He will go to Jail

[user104658]

He is Going To Jail
I put money on it.

Given his age, I think it's highly unlikely that he'll ever see the inside of a cell, even if found guilty.

[arista]

Given his age, I think it's highly unlikely that he'll ever see the inside of a cell, even if found guilty.

His Age is not a accuse
for No Jail


http://static.bafta.org/images/width300/rkn-0959land-18032.jpg

[Ryan57]

No that was a Reporter who was in court
then on Radio5



I understand what you are saying
but I will post all the front pages later.

This Case is a Shocker
He will go to Jail

The front pages of papers will just lap it up along with pun headlines. Desperate for him to be guilty.

[Cherie]

Given his age, I think it's highly unlikely that he'll ever see the inside of a cell, even if found guilty.

Didn't Stuart Hall go to jail :suspect:

[arista]

Didn't Stuart Hall go to jail :suspect:


Bang On Right


Age means nothing



Bang the Evil Git Up

[arista]

They must take back his CBE

[Ryan57]

He's not been proven guilty yet.

[Crimson Dynamo]

He's not been proven guilty yet.

I think the letter he sent to the dad is not looking good for him and some very strong witness statements

[Cherie]

I think the letter he sent to the dad is not looking good for him and some very strong witness statements

what letter is this then, not really been following this story at all.

[arista]

He's not been proven guilty yet.


Yes I Know
but from whats going on in the court
he will be - I am sure of it.

[Crimson Dynamo]

what letter is this then, not really been following this story at all.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2624114/Rolf-Harris-trial-hears-confession-letter-alleged-victims-father.html#ixzz31EUjXpFk

[Scarlett.]

He groomed her.

It's probably best you dont write statements like that until the court case has finished (Whatever the outcome is), there's a reason why newspapers always use words like "alleged"

[arista]

It's probably best you dont write statements like that until the court case has finished (Whatever the outcome is), there's a reason why newspapers always use words like "alleged"


That came from a Radio Reporter who was in Court
More up to date than any Internet or Newspaper.


I stand by that Statement
I am sure I am not breaking any legal laws

[Cherie]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2624114/Rolf-Harris-trial-hears-confession-letter-alleged-victims-father.html#ixzz31EUjXpFk

Oh okay thanks for that.

[Livia]

No that was a Reporter who was in court
then on Radio5



I understand what you are saying
but I will post all the front pages later.

This Case is a Shocker
He will go to Jail

If, after due process, he is found guilty.

This is day one of the trial.

Day. One.

[Livia]

That came from a Radio Reporter who was in Court
More up to date than any Internet or Newspaper.


I stand by that Statement
I am sure I am not breaking any legal laws

You've decided he is guilty and you've said he will go to jail. The defence hasn't said a word yet!

[arista]

You've decided he is guilty and you've said he will go to jail. The defence hasn't said a word yet!


Yes from up to date reports
I can take a viewpoint on a public forum.



I fully agree & understand your stance
but on this BBC Star
I am saying he is Guilty.

I respect you Livia

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yes from up to date reports
I can take a viewpoint on a public forum.



I fully agree & understand your stance
but on this BBC Star
I am saying he is Guilty.

I respect you Livia

Arista out ona legal limb :joker:

bit i feel the limb is strong

[joeysteele]

If, after due process, he is found guilty.

This is day one of the trial.

Day. One.

Like you I am not making any judgements as to this case either Livia,

I agree, the prosecution is setting it's case out at present on day one of the trial but so much can and may well be ripped apart from what 'seems' to be their case rather than what actually 'is'.

[arista]

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Rolf Harris used celebrity status to molest girls as young as seven, jury told
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/may/09/rolf-harris-assaulted-girl-13-court

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[Ammi]

..I was very sad when I heard of his arrest because he's someone I've always liked and thought was genuine...if he's guilty then I hope he's found so in the courts and justice is done for the victims but atm I totally agree with Livia..'conclusions' can't be reached so early in his trial...

[arista]

..I was very sad when I heard
of his arrest because he's someone I've always liked
and thought was genuine...if he's guilty then I hope he's found so in the courts and justice is done for the victims
but atm I totally agree with Livia..'conclusions' can't be reached so early in his trial...


Bang On Right

[joeysteele]

..I was very sad when I heard of his arrest because he's someone I've always liked and thought was genuine...if he's guilty then I hope he's found so in the courts and justice is done for the victims but atm I totally agree with Livia..'conclusions' can't be reached so early in his trial...

Hello Ammi :xyxwave:. I also was sad at this arrest too, I agree with your post above and do feel he could,if found guilty, be given the strongest penalties that can be.

He has admitted it sems to an affair as to the letter that was read out in court yesterday but that the person involved was over the age of consent and that it was consensual.

I will not judge him on what twist the media may put on this and will wait for the jury's verdict.
After all they will hear all the so called evidence both for him and against him, we will not be in that position.

[arista]

Hello Ammi :xyxwave:. I also was sad at this arrest too, I agree with your post above and do feel he could,if found guilty, be given the strongest penalties that can be.

He has admitted it sems to an affair as to the letter that was read out in court yesterday but that the person involved was over the age of consent and that it was consensual.

I will not judge him on what twist the media may put on this and will wait for the jury's verdict.
After all they will hear all the so called evidence both for him and against him, we will not be in that position.


Yes Joey
but the reporter just out of the Court
Live on Radio5
is more up to date than you are



He is going to Jail
at the shocking end of this case

[Nedusa]

Funny how public perceptions can change, when this particular arrest was made there was an outcry and calls for the charges to be thrown out. There was talk of Rolf Harris suing for the defamation of his good name.

However , in the light of recent guilty verdicts I'll wager there are a few more people out there who now are not quite so sure of his innocence.

I only hope if he is found guilty it is through solid evidence and not just a few old golddiggers who have come forward with similar questionable versions of alleged incidents.

This whole yewtree thing still has the smell of a witch hunt about it.

[joeysteele]

Yes Joey
but the reporter just out of the Court
Live on Radio5
is more up to date than you are



He is going to Jail
at the shocking end of this case

True, but only presenting the report in the media on the very first outlining of the prosecution case can be misleading and may even be untrue as to anything criminal or even sinister.

No judgement can be made whatsoever on that first piece of information relating to the alleged offence/s.
Trials are decided over the whole period of the trial with both the defence elements of counter argument and also the prosecution's vice versa.

For me, this is a dangerous way of reporting on 'live' cases going through the court, a full summary of both sides is what should be enacted at the end of the trial ,if it has to be reported in the media, not on every small single step of it.

[arista]

True, but only presenting the report in the media on the very first outlining of the prosecution case can be misleading and may even be untrue as to anyhting criminal or even sinister.

No judgement can be made whatsoever on that first piece of information relating to the alleged offence/s.
Trials are decided over the whole period of the trial with both the defence elements of counter argument and also the prosecution's vice versa.

For me, this is a dangerous way of reporting on 'live' cases going through the court, a full summary of both sides is what should be enacted at the end of the trial ,if it has to be reported in the media, not on every small single step of it.


No Its normal.

[joeysteele]

No Its normal.

I accept that but it shouldn't be,as in the case of William Roache for instance, the jury were solidly convinced all the bits and pieces of evidence against him were not substantiated at all in the trial.
Yet like here, the media just about had him guilty all through.

I accept in our media at present the reporting done is considered normal, for me however it shouldn't be and it is time it was changed as to that too,in my opinion.

[Jesus.]

Not only his kangaroo's that were being tied down, the dirty bastard.

[user104658]

Not only his kangaroo's that were being tied down, the dirty bastard.

Perhaps "kangaroo" is a euphemism, and it was a cry for help?

[arista]

Live Now He is Guilty
of 12 indecent assaults

http://news.sky.com/story/1292273/rolf-harris-guilty-of-12-indecent-assaults



All the front pages later

[Scarlett.]

Holy ****.

[GiRTh]

Dirty b*st*rd. Throw away the key.

[arista]

Dirty b*st*rd. Throw away the key.



I agree


Sentenced on Friday

[Jack_]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28094561

Harris was found guilty of all 12 charges he was prosecuted on. They were:

Count One: A woman said Harris touched her inappropriately when she was just seven or eight while he was signing autographs in Hampshire in the late 1960s

Count two: Harris was accused of groping a teenage waitress's bottom at a charity event in Cambridge in the 1970s

Counts three to nine: A childhood friend of Mr Harris' daughter said he repeatedly indecently assaulted her between the ages of 13 and 19, including once when his daughter was asleep in the same room. He admitted a relationship with the woman, but said it began after she turned 18.

Counts 10 to 12: Australian woman Tonya Lee, who has waived her right to anonymity, said he fondled her three times on one day while she was on a theatre group trip to the UK at the age of 15.

Oh dear :(

[erinp5]

If you look towards Buckingham Palace, you may see a portrait of the Queen being thrown out the window about now... #RolfHarris

[reece(:]

will he be imprisoned?:o

[Jack_]

^ judge says for him to 'expect a custodial sentence' so yeah, he's being sentenced on Friday

Also I read that the maximum sentence for each count is two years, the judge can either have them run concurrently or consecutively

[arista]

Yes Lock the Dirty Git away

[arista]

If you look towards Buckingham Palace, you may see a portrait of the Queen being thrown out the window about now... #RolfHarris



Burn It

[arista]

It's probably best you dont write statements like that until the court case has finished (Whatever the outcome is), there's a reason why newspapers always use words like "alleged"



Chewy I was Correct to
to Post my Posts


My Media Field is Higher
than you

[Scarlett.]

Chewy I was Correct to
to Post my Posts


My Media Field is Higher
than you

The case was still ongoing at the time, him being found guilty doesn't retroactively make it legal to discuss on-going trials with terms that indicate an outcome. Read more here http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-20782257

[Ninastar]

Never would have thought it!

[arista]

The case was still ongoing at the time, him being found guilty doesn't retroactively make it legal to discuss on-going trials with terms that indicate an outcome. Read more here http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-20782257


Its OK Chewy
that does not apply to robots

[Scarlett.]

Its OK Chewy
that does not apply to robots

:joker:

[Nedusa]

Given his age and the magnitude of the crimes I expect he will get 18 Months inside and could be out in 9 months or earlier if tagged etc..

Really disappointed with this, he looked like butter wouldn't melt and now he is just another disgraced ex-celebrity, sad dirty old man who should have known better.

His whole career and reputation down the toilet... Well done Rolf you did yourself proud.




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[Mitchell]

I wonder if he will make it to sentencing?

[arista]

I wonder if he will make it to sentencing?


What you think he may
end his life in the bog room?

[smudgie]

Not that surprised if I am honest.
He over egged the pudding, shuffling into court having to be supported either side when in fact he is quite capable of walking normal.

Throw the ruddy key away, and keep this jury for any future cases.

[Anaesthesia]

Genuinely shocked and stunned.

The most distasteful thing I find about these recent (yet historic) cases is that a person can be judged for alleged historic crimes by the paramaters of modern society.

There's a whole different morality out there now. Not to say right or wrong...just the goalposts have moved.

[user104658]

Dirty b*st*rd. Throw away the key.

I wouldn't throw it away... They'll need it in 6 months. If they throw it away his corpse will start to smell :(

[user104658]

Given his age and the magnitude of the crimes I expect he will get 18 Months inside and could be out in 9 months or earlier if tagged etc..

Really disappointed with this, he looked like butter wouldn't melt and now he is just another disgraced ex-celebrity, sad dirty old man who should have known better.

His whole career and reputation down the toilet... Well done Rolf you did yourself proud.




.

To be fair it's not like he had the career and then ruined it... He was doing this decades ago. From the timeline it actually sounds like it stopped when his career took off... He must have been dreading this coming out for years.

[Nedusa]

To be fair it's not like he had the career and then ruined it... He was doing this decades ago. From the timeline it actually sounds like it stopped when his career took off... He must have been dreading this coming out for years.

These charges apparently are only the tip of the iceberg, the CPS are considering bringing another 20 or more charges relating to under age sexual assault and victims in Australia and Malta are now coming forward.

My god this is Jimmy Savile mark 2.





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[Amy Jade]

I still can't even imagine him doing any of this.

[joeysteele]

I am still stunned at this and Rolf Harris.

When the Jimmy Saville scandal went into overdrive,if I had been asked which celebrities I thought may also be involved in such crimes, Rolf Harris would have been one of those, or even the one, at the very bottom of my list.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Every presenter of the past was a paedo it seems. Something deep down told me that Bruce Forsyth "retired" due to an investigation but he somehow got them to keep it hush hush.

[joeysteele]

Every presenter of the past was a paedo it seems. Something deep down told me that Bruce Forsyth "retired" due to an investigation but he somehow got them to keep it hush hush.

Nothing at all would surprise me now as to this.

[Verbal]

You need to be concerned about the ties all of these celebs have/have had with the Royal family.

Jimmy Saville
Stuart Hall and now Rolf Harris have all been well in with the Royals at some point. A huge cover up imo.

[Jack_]

Bruce would be the worst, you couldn't top that if something about him ever surfaced

[Mitchell]

Someone related to me used to work with Bruce on a regular basis, they said that he was always a gentleman, always brought in Christmas presents for everyone, they also said that Bruce had an argument with one of the yewtree arrests around the time the alleged incident occurred, so after that I don't think Bruce is involved, you never know though

[arista]

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[JTM45]

I still can't get my head around this!!! :shrug:
I always looked up to Rolf and thought he was a top bloke.

With Saville he always seemed arrogant and seedy but Rolf couldn't seem any less like the type!
Has he made any kind of admissions or confessions about the whole thing ?

[Vanessa]

I read this on DS today. Wow! I'm really shocked. I always tought he was a great guy.

[Ammi]

Every presenter of the past was a paedo it seems. Something deep down told me that Bruce Forsyth "retired" due to an investigation but he somehow got them to keep it hush hush.

..doesn't it make you think though that it's odd for it to be just British people and whether there would be so many things that could be discovered about some Hollywood type people that we've always thought to be 'legends' ..?...

[Cherie]

Every presenter of the past was a paedo it seems. Something deep down told me that Bruce Forsyth "retired" due to an investigation but he somehow got them to keep it hush hush.

Or maybe he retired because he is well into his 80s. Why would they keep anyone hush hush?

[Verbal]

..doesn't it make you think though that it's odd for it to be just British people and whether there would be so many things that could be discovered about some Hollywood type people that we've always thought to be 'legends' ..?...

Rolf is Aussie

And peadophilia has been rife in Hollywood for decades, they just have the money and power to hide and control it

In7osrOs1qU

[arista]

Rolf is Aussie

And peadophilia has been rife in Hollywood for decades, they just have the money and power to hide and control it

In7osrOs1qU



Yes a Top Man in Hollywood
is a pedophile
he can not name him - but give his name to
someone who can look into it
and make it TV news then its Global

[Firewire]

Never knew about this before. Wonder who this Hollywood mogul is? Such a sad story considering it ruined Corey Haim's life and led to his death.

[arista]

Never knew about this before. Wonder who this Hollywood mogul is? Such a sad story considering it ruined Corey Haim's life and led to his death.


A Director or Producer
high up with power

[Firewire]

A Director or Producer
high up with power

I understand that it isn't Steven Spielberg as Corey Feldman said he introduced him to Michael Jackson which helped him rediscover his childhood. He wouldn't have mentioned him otherwise.

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/07/01/article-2675875-1F4D9A1400000578-152_634x382.jpg

[Marsh.]

..doesn't it make you think though that it's odd for it to be just British people and whether there would be so many things that could be discovered about some Hollywood type people that we've always thought to be 'legends' ..?...

Rolf's Australian.

But, yes, I imagine there are all kinds of things that go on in Hollywood that get covered up because of all the money and "power" involved.

The stuff that does come out about people in that lifestyle is creepy enough.

[arista]

"Harris was appointed a Member of the Order of the British Empire (MBE) in 1968; he was advanced to Officer (OBE) in 1977, then to Commander (CBE) in 2006"


Cancel all these

[Crimson Dynamo]

Arista called this way back

[arista]

Rolfs paintings are still for sale online.


I would have thought they would
not now be wanted?


From Ch5HD Wright Stuff

[Nedusa]

For Sale - Portrait of a Monarch........by Rolf Harris


All enquiries please contact Liz Windsor c/o Buck Palace

[joeysteele]

I am rather surprised when this topic comes up while talking to others as to how many don't seem as hostile to Rolf Harris as many have been to others found guilty.

I even got told today from some that they hope he gets spared prison,that he did wrong but he has done a lot for people.

I was quite amazed at that low key reaction to him being found guilty.

[Nedusa]

I am rather surprised when this topic comes up while talking to others as to how many don't seem as hostile to Rolf Harris as many have been to others found guilty.

I even got told today from some that they hope he gets spared prison,that he did wrong but he has done a lot for people.

I was quite amazed at that low key reaction to him being found guilty.


Don't believe this for a second, Rolf Harris will become the pallbearer for all of Jimmy Saviles crimes as well as his own. He will be put on a par with Savile and reviled with equal intensity.

Savile died before he could be brought to justice, the same cannot be said for Rolf Harris who will face the full fury of the Judges and will almost certainly have to face futher prosecutions here and abroad (assuming he lives that long)

And unlike Jimmy savile he will have his OBE and all other Honours withdrawn or rescinded.

He will pay "heavily" for his crimes....






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[user104658]

I am rather surprised when this topic comes up while talking to others as to how many don't seem as hostile to Rolf Harris as many have been to others found guilty.

I even got told today from some that they hope he gets spared prison,that he did wrong but he has done a lot for people.

I was quite amazed at that low key reaction to him being found guilty.

It's simple aesthetics... Saville was easy to think of as a monster, because he looked like a very strange man. His public persona, also, was arrogant and essentially quite aggressive. The news broke that he was a predatory paedophile and - lets be honest - most people were far from shocked.

Harris on the other hand - the silly, gentle, cuddly Aussie koala bear - who just liked cartoons and helping poor little animals... people can't get their head around that. Some people I've talked to about it seem to have quite deep psychological defense mechanisms in place about it, still believing it to be a mistake, or at the very least believing the charges are inflated and maybe it was one or two small incidents that the poor old bloke is really, really, reeeally sorry about because he's nice. really.

I think the Russell Brand video hits the nail on the head. With Harris, this verdict is a massive blow to people's childhood innocence and their whimsical memories of better, simpler times. It casts a sinister shadow over people's happy Sunday mornings in front of the TV with a big bowl of cereal. The saville revelations didn't. Because on some level, most people ALWAYS found him ... creepy.

I've genuinely found that people ate finding it hard to accept it at all and are keen to psychologically "split" Harris into two personas - the one they knew, and the one they are being introduced to. people don't want to see the monster punished too harshly if it means the other face has to go with him.


My own honest opinion is that, assuming the charges (and further allegations) are all accurate, his charming and friendly alterego makes him something even MORE sinister than Saville. Watch footage of Saville and it's easy enough to see the arrogant, monstrous sociopath that lies within. Watch old footage of Harris and you still can't even begin to believe what he was doing after-hours.

[joeysteele]

It's simple aesthetics... Saville was easy to think of as a monster, because he looked like a very strange man. His public persona, also, was arrogant and essentially quite aggressive. The news broke that he was a predatory paedophile and - lets be honest - most people were far from shocked.

Harris on the other hand - the silly, gentle, cuddly Aussie koala bear - who just liked cartoons and helping poor little animals... people can't get their head around that. Some people I've talked to about it seem to have quite deep psychological defense mechanisms in place about it, still believing it to be a mistake, or at the very least believing the charges are inflated and maybe it was one or two small incidents that the poor old bloke is really, really, reeeally sorry about because he's nice. really.

I think the Russell Brand video hits the nail on the head. With Harris, this verdict is a massive blow to people's childhood innocence and their whimsical memories of better, simpler times. It casts a sinister shadow over people's happy Sunday mornings in front of the TV with a big bowl of cereal. The saville revelations didn't. Because on some level, most people ALWAYS found him ... creepy.

I've genuinely found that people ate finding it hard to accept it at all and are keen to psychologically "split" Harris into two personas - the one they knew, and the one they are being introduced to. people don't want to see the monster punished too harshly if it means the other face has to go with him.


My own honest opinion is that, assuming the charges (and further allegations) are all accurate, his charming and friendly alterego makes him something even MORE sinister than Saville. Watch footage of Saville and it's easy enough to see the arrogant, monstrous sociopath that lies within. Watch old footage of Harris and you still can't even begin to believe what he was doing after-hours.


Really great post.
That is almost exactly what I am finding at present Toy Soldier. as I said above I was amazed, I expected to hear the real anger and contempt for Rolf Harris that started once more and more of Saville's crimes came out as to him.

As you say it appears .for now,some people are keeping the Rolf Harris entertainer image they have intact almost and putting aside this side that he has been found guilty of.

He will of course be stripped of any honours he got and rightly so but of all the people so far charged with these crimes,I have and am still hearing of more who don't have the same direct contempt for him as for say Max clifford, Stuart Hall and of course Jimmy Saville.

That may change of course in time but for now,I would say I am finding an almost even split as to him.
I am astounded at the people who have said to me so far, they hope he somehow doesn't go to prison.
In fact in my local ASDA today, several of the checkout ladies were saying poor Rolf Harris how did he get mixed up in this.

Poor Rolf Harris, I was really stunned at that.

[Kizzy]

Yes a Top Man in Hollywood
is a pedophile
he can not name him - but give his name to
someone who can look into it
and make it TV news then its Global

I bET he has a beard....

[Achilles]

Jimmy Savile was given a knighthood from the Royal Family and a knighthood from the Vatican

Reaction of the Royal Family and the Vatican after the Savile sexual abuse scandal:
http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130622093509/mlpfanart/images/3/30/480px-Troll_Face_Trollface.png

[Nedusa]

To my knowledge to date they have not been revoked.




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[Firewire]

To my knowledge to date they have not been revoked.




.

Apparently they cannot be revoked from the deceased. I swear I read that.

[user104658]

Apparently they cannot be revoked from the deceased. I swear I read that.

Indeed. Nor should they be able to. Stripping someone of titles when they are alive has an impact on them, it shames and dishonours them. Doing so after they are dead is simply rewriting history. They foolishly gave these honours to a violent paedophile and he died still holding them... still feeling honoured. That's their mistake that they now have to accept. A historical smear on their selection of honourable people. It SHOULD remain unchangeable, in hopes that they'll be more discerning in future. Because you'd have to be completely naive to think that no one involved in dishing out those titles knew that these men had dark "secrets".

[arista]

Harris is jailed
for 5years 9 months

[Crimson Dynamo]

half of that time in jail

[Iceman]

Sentenced to 5 years and 9 months. Will do just under 3 years then released and will have to go on sex offenders register

[arista]

Maybe he will top himself

[Iceman]

Maybe he will top himself
No chance. Hes minted. He will leave prison and never be on tv again.

[mooo]

:/

[Marsh.]

Should leave him to rot in there.

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/7/4/321050/default/v2/9978425-1-1-626x352.jpg

He had left the old wife at home today.


http://news.sky.com/story/1295047/rolf-harris-jailed-for-more-than-five-years

[Kizzy]

What's with the comedy tie?... Take some down with you rolf.

[Iceman]

I think that was a while ago when he was trying to portray the 'I'm an innocent old man' card

[joeysteele]

A complaint has been made to the attorney general's office as to the leniency of this sentence so it could be yet referred to appeal for a longer one.

[Josy]

What a ****ing sad excuse for a sentence. Absolutely disgraceful.

[CaudleHalbard]

He may die in jail.

[arista]

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[michael21]

What a ****ing sad excuse for a sentence. Absolutely disgraceful.

the long term inmates will for sure get him doubt he make it out :dance::dance::dance::dance:

[lily.]

This whole thing saddens me. I grew up thinking he was a great guy... with his art, his comedy and his work with animals.

It is absolutely disgraceful that he has got away with his crimes until now and I really hope that sentence gets reviewed. He should rot in jail for what he has done.

[the truth]

the real crimes are with the children, the other idiots who jummped on the bandwagon like vanessa (he touched my knee 30 years ago or the other woman , he kissed me 30 years ago are a disgrace and devalue the true crimes of his disgusting paedophilia. im gutted too, wonderful entertainer who did so much for charity, animals, kids etc goes to show you charity has again been used as a cover for corruption. time to scrap charity and simply ensure our taxes go to the causes we care most about

[Jack_]

^ 'true' crimes...wtf? Any kind of sexual assault is appalling, it's not a competition

[the truth]

^ 'true' crimes...wtf? Any kind of sexual assault is appalling, it's not a competition

rubbish. hand on knee 40 years ago, kissed on lips 35 years ago....eh? thats NOT sexual assault

[Jack_]

Moving your hand along someone's leg and up their dress when they haven't consented to it is sexual assault. This isn't up for debate.

[the truth]

Moving your hand along someone's leg and up their dress when they haven't consented to it is sexual assault. This isn't up for debate.

allegedly. how far up? what about the thousands of women who tear off famous mens shorts? jagger has had all his clothes ripped off him umpteen times? how precious are we going to get?

[Jack_]

Oh how predictable, everything always has to come back to women vs men with you. Did Jagger object to having his clothes ripped off? If he did then it's sexual assault, if he enjoyed it and went along with it is it not

Vanessa Feltz did not want his hand moving along his leg under her dress when she was in the middle of a live television broadcast, it is sexual assault. If a famous man had come out claiming that a woman was moving her hand up his leg and began undoing his trousers in the same situation you would be calling for her to be stoned to death, that's the fact of the matter here. It's only because it's Vanessa that you don't believe her

[arista]

Oh how predictable, everything always has to come back to women vs men with you. Did Jagger object to having his clothes ripped off? If he did then it's sexual assault, if he enjoyed it and went along with it is it not

Vanessa Feltz did not want his hand moving along his leg under her dress when she was in the middle of a live television broadcast, it is sexual assault. If a famous man had come out claiming that a woman was moving her hand up his leg and began undoing his trousers in the same situation you would be calling for her to be stoned to death, that's the fact of the matter here. It's only because it's Vanessa that you don't believe her



yes big deal
he has done far worse with younger women and girls

[the truth]

Oh how predictable, everything always has to come back to women vs men with you. Did Jagger object to having his clothes ripped off? If he did then it's sexual assault, if he enjoyed it and went along with it is it not

Vanessa Feltz did not want his hand moving along his leg under her dress when she was in the middle of a live television broadcast, it is sexual assault. If a famous man had come out claiming that a woman was moving her hand up his leg and began undoing his trousers in the same situation you would be calling for her to be stoned to death, that's the fact of the matter here. It's only because it's Vanessa that you don't believe her

how predictable its always on the womens side against the men with you zzzz
IF its a serious thing go to the police, otherwise she should shut the hell up...all shes doing is using it for self publicity under the false guise shes doing it for other supposed victims. instead shes devaluing the true sufferers of abuse. as for calling someone to be stoned to death for feeling a mans penis, youre LYING again of course. Ive seen many a woman do that and no I didnt advocate stoning her. besides men are not so petty as to try and make a massive issue every time a woman even touches or kisses them without an invite....just to get cheap publicity....its a shame you are so biased for women in all situations.

[Jack_]

WOW.

just wow

[the truth]

WOW.

just wow

wow all you like

just because counter feminazi opinions arent allowed on the liberal bbc doesnt mean people arent allowed to stand up against this fascism elsewhere...I suppose you want me stoned to death now for a man daring to have an opinion that defends mens rights too