Has the Apprentice jumped the Shark

[GiRTh]

They're having this discussion on DS so I thought I'd bring it to here.

Its gone the way of trying to get 'entertaining' people rather than people with genuine solid business backgrounds.

I think it has. That Luisa sort should be on no better show than Take me out, she is definitely not Apprentice material. I doubt she will win but I have no doubt she will hang around in the spotlight after the show is over.

In earlier series there were genuine business tasks that required good judgement and a certain business knowledge. Now all they do is shout over each other, big them selves up way beyond their own abilities and try to steal airtime instead of concentrating on the task.

Its gone the way of the Restaurant and that shows 'jump' series was its last. What do you all think?

[LemonJam]

Meh, it's always been an entertainment show first and foremost and hasn't realy changed since the beginning. There's questionable candidates in every series.

[Shaun]

I feel like the type of candidate has changed dramatically this series... especially with the females. All of them bar Jaz are attractive, bickering, well-groomed and kind of blend into the same reality TV star for me. The guys, too, are almost like the stereotypical American jock (the way they fist pump and shout "come on!" when they win, for example, is wildly unattractive)

It's just... I don't know. Part of the problem may be that the show's tired and all of the candidates are predictable or formulaic. But it does feel like there are no serious or modest business people on the show any more.

[GiRTh]

Meh, it's always been an entertainment show first and foremost and hasn't realy changed since the beginning. There's questionable candidates in every series.But none as bad as this lot. They're all quite savvy about the game and how to get airtime eg Zee calling out that other bloke (cant remember his name) who was trying to get in on the deal by giving a late discount price. The other candidates knew exactly what he was up to and it failed. The candidates kind of know the tasks are secondary to LS's decision making so the conflict between them is becoming the centre of the show. It is no longer a business show. For me, that should not have been a highlight of the show.

As for the girl? What a mess. All of them are pretty faces with little or no substance.

[Shaun]

And the gameplay element has definitely been sussed by even the most obnoxious of morons... gang up on one person, let everyone make mistakes that'll cost them individually, and just undermine everything.

[Vanessa]

I'm enjoying the show. I like these candidates. They're funny with their squabbles. :joker:

[GiRTh]

And the gameplay element has definitely been sussed by even the most obnoxious of morons... gang up on one person, let everyone make mistakes that'll cost them individually, and just undermine everything.Agree. LS's thought process for firing has never had much to do with the task and the candidates have sussed it out.

[Jesus.]

The problem with the whole premise of the show, is that to serious business people in London, earning £100k would be a step down. I know that seems a strange thing to say, but it's true. And the new format makes it, so that even publicity for their ideas can make the candidates money, so as long as they get exposure, they will be fairly contented.

I think a better show would be to take a group of people from long term unemployment, train them, then give them tasks like these, allowing employers to see their skills and personalities on display.

You would cut out the wannabes, and would actually be providing a service to help boost the economy. He might eventually even earn that Lordship of his.

[Brother Leon]

It's a lot better for me so not really fussed.

[Shaun]

just to clarify the salary Jesus, the show now focusses on giving them a £250k start-up fund for their business plans rather than a £100k job

[Jesus.]

just to clarify the salary Jesus, the show now focusses on giving them a £250k start-up fund for their business plans rather than a £100k job

Yeah, I know. I was trying to give reasons why both formats are flawed. The fact that the candidates fighting for £250k get publicity for themselves, will still open doors, even if it's only out of curiosity from buyers.

[GiRTh]

The problem with the whole premise of the show, is that to serious business people in London, earning £100k would be a step down. I know that seems a strange thing to say, but it's true. And the new format makes it, so that even publicity for their ideas can make the candidates money, so as long as they get exposure, they will be fairly contented.

I think a better show would be to take a group of people from long term unemployment, train them, then give them tasks like these, allowing employers to see their skills and personalities on display.

You would cut out the wannabes, and would actually be providing a service to help boost the economy. He might eventually even earn that Lordship of his.Agree with this.

If I was starting a business I don't think I'd want LS as a partner for fear he'll try and take over but I'll happily take his quarter mill and the TV exposure an appearance on the show will give the business.

[GiRTh]

LOL Usma has her own make up channel.

http://www.youtube.com/user/sculptbeautytv?feature=watch

[Shaun]

christ

[Marc]

I've never heard that saying before :laugh:

[GiRTh]

I've never heard that saying before :laugh:What saying?

[Niamh.]

Jumped the Shark? I was just wondering what it meant too :laugh:

[GiRTh]

I didn't know. I thought it was quite a well used phrase.

Jump The Shark (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jumping_the_shark)

There used to be a website that listed when most shows jumped and had a poll for user to vote when they thought a particular show had jumped, but unfortunately TV guide bought that website and got rid of that part. It was fun to vote and some of the reasons for jumping were quite funny.:spin:

[Niamh.]

I didn't know. I thought it was quite a well used phrase.

Jump The Shark (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jumping_the_shark)

There used to be a website that listed when most shows jumped and had a poll for user to vote when they thought a particular show had jumped, but unfortunately TV guide bought that website and got rid of that part. It was fun to vote and some of the reasons for jumping were quite funny.:spin:

Oh that's interesting, I'd never heard it before. Thanks :love:

[Jesus.]

It's a reference to happy days. It got so stupid towards the end, that they actually had the fonz jump a shark.

[InOne]

Really couldn't get into the first episode, the second one was a bit better but the women are a mess. Everyone just seems a bit gobby and there's not much genuine tactics or gameplaying.

[reece(:]

They need entertaining candidates after how awful last year's series was - so I think it's a step in the right direction.

[Samm]

I love the apprentice This year lots of strong minded candidates

[Vanessa]

Yes, i'm really enjoying it. :hugesmile:

[Marcus.]

it was a amazing ep

[Marsh.]

The expression "jump the shark" doesn't apply here.

They've not done anything drastic, stupid or far removed from what they've done in the past.

The problem is its the same old formula and after nine years it's gone stale.

[Patrick]

omg do ppl still watch this?

judging everybody.

[Marsh.]

No worse than the fact the majority of us still watch BB which is nothing more than bottom of the barrel ****e.

[Nedusa]

I agree with the central premise of this thread, the Apprentice is now more about personality than business acumen. To make it through to the later tasks you have to have a reasonably high profile. The fact is the quiet candidates and the loudest ones tend to get fired by the 5th or 6th week.

What worries me is that in the first few weeks some of the quieter candidates will be accused of hiding in the pack and may end up being fired for that, but in the event they are not normally quiet only they appear so against a backdrop of really loud strong characters.

[SharkAttack]

I think I used to watch this show a little too realistically when it first began, but then it was apparent in the format, after a few times...the trends would stay the same, but with different people to watch. Classic reality show that should be enjoyed but not overly demanding in terms of extensive emotion, is how I'd half-heartedly define it. If you can get into the characters of *any* program, no matter how formatted the show is, or crap, you'll be able to sate the reality beast. :) Well, IMHO.

[GiRTh]

The expression "jump the shark" doesn't apply here.

They've not done anything drastic, stupid or far removed from what they've done in the past.

The problem is its the same old formula and after nine years it's gone stale.

The old stale formula was fine when there were actual business people on the show. This bunch of wannabes are only good for superficial entertainment. There's no substance with just about all of them,.

[Shaun]

judging everybody.

lol

[Shaun]

Sophie getting fired for being too quiet and not showing her strengths in 3 tasks where they all lost ¬_¬

[GiRTh]

Sophie getting fired for being too quiet and not showing her strengths in 3 tasks where they all lost ¬_¬

Totally agree. LS made it personal once again. He may as well fire half the contestants in the first week, we can tell who he's gonna like and who he's gonna hate.

[Shaun]

I imagine Jason won't last long because he's partial to inverse snobbery, and Jason uses big words (not that I'm complaining, I think he's a buffoon).

[GiRTh]

Is Jason the one who claims he is simply superior to the other candidates but never goes in details why? He's such tw*t he'll be gone first time he's in the boardroom.

[Me. I Am Salman]

I think it's been pretty good. Last year's candidates were all business minded instead of being entertainment value and look how boring that series was. Having said that I do think the format change has negatively affected the show a bit