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King Gizzard
27-06-2013, 08:06 PM
it says in the image URL you helmet
well your not suppose to bloody read the Url
King Gizzard
27-06-2013, 08:09 PM
was going to say stosur before I saw the name
Drew.
27-06-2013, 10:03 PM
great day.. was epic seeing Serena and a shame about the rain at the end.. but **** me if i ever see the two women i sat next to today i will sew their lips together, according to them Tommy Berdych is called Timmy Birdeye, 6 hours sat next to them and they didnt shut up once
did you get any pictures?
Drew.
27-06-2013, 10:07 PM
yeah managed to take quite a few and recorded both Serena and Gasquets winning points
Who is this?
http://nickspicks1.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/michelle-larcher-de-brito-elle-magazine2.jpg
You'd never know she was so loud by looking at this lovely photo
I was also at court 1 today http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s12/POTT2007/smileys/emoticon_ShiftyEyes.gif
Drew.
27-06-2013, 10:12 PM
Drew! :amazed:
Enjoy?
yeah man, was epic.. definitely going to try and go next year. Gutted about the rain at the end but went and had a stroll around and went up on henman hill so wasnt all too bad
That's a really good view :amazed:
Did anyone slip over on that terrible court?
Shame those seats were empty :(
Drew.
27-06-2013, 10:18 PM
http://i.imgur.com/fcIC5lO.jpg
Drew.
27-06-2013, 10:19 PM
http://i.imgur.com/5A8sRmW.jpg
Jords
27-06-2013, 10:20 PM
So cool Drew!
Drew.
27-06-2013, 10:20 PM
Did anyone slip over on that terrible court?
i know Garcia slipped at one point, think there was 1 other incident too, cant quite remember
Shame those seats were empty :(
i was surprised how many were empty
Drew.
27-06-2013, 11:05 PM
was on my phone so you need to click HD and full screen for it to be any good :(
fBRo3HpGSJ8
Black Dagger
28-06-2013, 10:02 AM
GO LAURA :dance:
Locke.
28-06-2013, 10:45 AM
Today is the day Mr Robredo breaks all your hearts.
And I can't believe the rain has delayed Kerber. Again.
Black Dagger
28-06-2013, 10:51 AM
Bloody rain ruining my day :bored:
Least tomorrow will hopefully be nice.
michael21
28-06-2013, 11:46 AM
sexy Laura Robson on soon :lovedup:
Have a cold shower Michael
michael21
28-06-2013, 11:57 AM
the player on bbc2 now has a hot wife :dance::dance::dance:
Black Dagger
28-06-2013, 12:01 PM
Go Laura!!
Black Dagger
28-06-2013, 12:01 PM
So many empty seats, really not good eeek.
http://thebiglead.fantasysportsven.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/anfisa-stakhovsky.jpg
???
Brother Leon
28-06-2013, 12:07 PM
Been an an absolutely depressing week of Sports, especially yesterday. Hopefully Laura boosts it.
Black Dagger
28-06-2013, 12:10 PM
Covers are coming off :amazed:
Hopefully it isn't going to start raining again now.
Jords
28-06-2013, 12:11 PM
Lets go Laura
Munchkins
28-06-2013, 12:19 PM
Gl Laura
Shaun
28-06-2013, 12:40 PM
laura owning this tbh
Jords
28-06-2013, 12:43 PM
Robson on fire again!
Shaun
28-06-2013, 12:45 PM
set point :amazed:
Jords
28-06-2013, 12:52 PM
ffs all these double faults
Shaun
28-06-2013, 12:52 PM
her serves... :/
Shaun
28-06-2013, 12:56 PM
k well at least Duque-Marino's just as bad
Locke.
28-06-2013, 12:57 PM
After Sabine's great victories Anfisa Stakhovsky has been the best thing about the tournament
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/06/26/article-2349051-1A862841000005DC-858_634x360.jpg
Black Dagger
28-06-2013, 12:58 PM
Laura, serve how you were against Maria the other day, k thank you.
Shaun
28-06-2013, 12:58 PM
yay 1st set
but only because DM lost all but 1 of her serves :idc:
Black Dagger
28-06-2013, 01:04 PM
What a jobber she's against.
It's a good thing Laura is good at returning aye? :laugh: watching her serve hurts sometimes but she's playing well otherwise
Shaun
28-06-2013, 01:12 PM
ok now she's doing good :love:
Black Dagger
28-06-2013, 01:22 PM
When her serve is good, it's great to see, she was serving great against Maria, she should see this match out nicely, a few niggles along the way.
Grigor tho :sad:
Least we know what Maria and Grigor will be doing instead of practising.
Shaun
28-06-2013, 01:28 PM
ok this set's been hella quick :love:
Black Dagger
28-06-2013, 01:31 PM
Yay, now hopefully she can go and slay at the doubles, her and Lisa :lovedup:
Locke.
28-06-2013, 01:32 PM
Good win for Robson. Quite easy in the end.
Kerber has broke and is just about to win the opening set as well, looking like a good day.
King Gizzard
28-06-2013, 01:32 PM
Mrs Novak Djokovic >
http://i.imgur.com/SIu7vMB.jpg
Black Dagger
28-06-2013, 01:33 PM
Good win for Robson. Quite easy in the end.
Kerber has broke and is just about to win the opening set as well, looking like a good day.
She was flopping when I was looking at her scoring, good stuff!
BigSister
28-06-2013, 01:33 PM
Yay Laura but prob will play tonmorow as well
And what Lucas said
Jords
28-06-2013, 01:33 PM
Robson :worship:
Now I want to see Ula, shes just won the first set.
:D great win. Great performance
King Gizzard
28-06-2013, 01:35 PM
Wow she's posh
No.1 court tomorrow please
Shaun
28-06-2013, 01:36 PM
oh grigor :(
Good old Tommy Haas, he will never retire
Shaun
28-06-2013, 01:42 PM
ha wang
Black Dagger
28-06-2013, 01:44 PM
Wang is wank at tennis haha
Black Dagger
28-06-2013, 01:44 PM
No, that was a **** pun, I am ashamed of myself.
King Gizzard
28-06-2013, 01:44 PM
There is actually no point in wearing a hat backwards in tennis
King Gizzard
28-06-2013, 01:46 PM
if you're fred durst and stuck in the early noughties
Riske has switched on her Birmingham form mode against Ula
Drew.
28-06-2013, 01:49 PM
Robson has a doubles game too, hopefully she doesn't get too tired
Black Dagger
28-06-2013, 01:51 PM
Plus she has mixed doubles at some point, she might as well withdraw from that (if she gets to round 4)
Shaun
28-06-2013, 01:52 PM
kmt stakhovsky injured
let feds back in :idc:
Navratilova was still playing doubles at Wimbledon in 2006 and she was almost 50, it's just a bonus tournament to most players playing in the singles
break her ULA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I keep saying "numberwang" over and over in my head :/
What did Haas just get a warning for??
Do they swear in English or their own language I wonder...
Locke.
28-06-2013, 02:37 PM
No kerber!!! No!!! What have you done
Break point ulllllllllllllllllla!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YESSS ULA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
King Gizzard
28-06-2013, 02:41 PM
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
15-0!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Locke.
28-06-2013, 02:42 PM
Can't believe this, the victory looked certain about 10 minutes ago when she had a 5-1 lead in the second set tie-break, no she is a double break behind
And if Kanepi catches her with one more ****ing dropshot..
30-0!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Would you shut the hell up
No it can't be!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 30-15!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
jesus christ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 30-30!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !
King Gizzard
28-06-2013, 02:44 PM
http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/4/9156/z9156444Q,Agnieszka-Radwanska--Urszula-Radwanska.jpg
****ing hell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 30-40!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! do something Marc!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Locke.
28-06-2013, 02:46 PM
Kerber is out. This is unbelievable..
At least now Sabine is the last German standing
Locke.
28-06-2013, 02:48 PM
Hang on!!!!!!!! She has pulled one of the two breaks back!
Calm down Mr
She looks deflated though.. Looks as if she doesn't even care :laugh:
don't play with my heart like this
King Gizzard
28-06-2013, 02:52 PM
Looks like we might have to set up a Tennis Rehabilitation centre for Novo
Locke.
28-06-2013, 02:53 PM
It's over, goodbye Angelique :(
She looks so pissed off
2 break points ula!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
can't believe how unlucky she was then
Black Dagger
28-06-2013, 02:58 PM
OMG, I only went to get the bus home, Angelique :sad:
Black Dagger
28-06-2013, 02:58 PM
COME ON B AGUT. Beat this dullard.
Locke.
28-06-2013, 03:01 PM
My signature is getting very red, thank god Sabine will be blue until the end
Black Dagger
28-06-2013, 03:02 PM
Laura won't be red for a while either :pipe:
Ula plays so much like Aga :laugh: the whole service action, the knees to the floor.
just less aggressive when she needs to be, Aga actually comes to the net
****ing hell Ula, living life on the edge here
Brother Leon
28-06-2013, 03:08 PM
Some boring men jobbers on at the moment. Good time to eat then.
If you need a shoulder to cry on Ula you know where i am
That last game was all about Riske
look at David adding Robson into his Sig as soon as she wins a few matches
Locke.
28-06-2013, 03:21 PM
Robson has been there since I added that list (at the end of round 1). I have always been a fan of good old Laura since seeing her play a junior game once when she was 16
be quiet i am watching Genie
Locke.
28-06-2013, 03:29 PM
Hope she follows Ula out the exit door
leave her alone you monster
Janowicz could beat Murray on this form
Black Dagger
28-06-2013, 03:39 PM
hope not, 'orrible ****.
Drew.
28-06-2013, 03:41 PM
be quiet i am watching Genie
where are you watching it? i cant find the game
where are you watching it? i cant find the game
on BBC Sport
think i'll put an each way bet on Janowicz after this
Drew.
28-06-2013, 03:44 PM
on BBC Sport
ah woops, i didnt scroll down far enough
Genie should have lost this set by now
Drew.
28-06-2013, 03:47 PM
it looks like iv tuned it at the right time for the come back
arista
28-06-2013, 04:16 PM
Why Not start Murray on BBC2HD
As by the time it starts on BBC1HD they will say swith over
On SkyHD
it easy as its 141 and 142
But on Virgin
its 108 and for BBC2HD 187 milles away
Drew.
28-06-2013, 04:37 PM
poor Robson being mobbed by these One Direction fans who dont even like tennis
Brother Leon
28-06-2013, 04:45 PM
Lol at Rooney getting Robson's name wrong :joker:
arista
28-06-2013, 04:47 PM
Roof On
murray starts
Black Dagger
28-06-2013, 04:49 PM
poor Robson being mobbed by these One Direction fans who dont even like tennis
Utter cretins, she should acknowledge me instead :idc:
arista
28-06-2013, 04:52 PM
come on Tommy
He is 31
Murray is 26
No way could he win
Black Dagger
28-06-2013, 04:52 PM
yes because 35 year old tommy haas just got demolished.
arista
28-06-2013, 04:53 PM
This is a wasted match
arista
28-06-2013, 04:54 PM
Not even started
Time to change to BBC2HD
Pathetic BBC
Should have started this on BBC2HD
Drew.
28-06-2013, 05:38 PM
:joker:
Maria Kirilenko @mkirilenko 57s
Wimbledon is boring this year so many injures and falling ... I pulled out from my doubles match as I also injured! Going HOME!
Brother Leon
28-06-2013, 05:54 PM
Definition of Salty.
I can't believe there are only 4 seeds left in the bottom half of the men's draw after this match... 4....
:joker:
Maria Kirilenko @mkirilenko 57s
Wimbledon is boring this year so many injures and falling ... I pulled out from my doubles match as I also injured! Going HOME!
Well she's a bitch...
Shaun
28-06-2013, 06:51 PM
she sounds fun
Black Dagger
28-06-2013, 06:51 PM
LOL what a *******.
Happy my Laura has beat her more now.
Dustin tho aww.
Shaun
28-06-2013, 06:51 PM
anyone else think robredo looks a teeny bit like sir Novo
arista
28-06-2013, 06:52 PM
come on Tommy
You Back the Loser
Maria's comment just takes away from Laura's win. Pretty bad sportsmanship tbh
Shaun
28-06-2013, 06:56 PM
that point :joker: murray you complacent bitch
arista
28-06-2013, 06:56 PM
Easy Win
Black Dagger
28-06-2013, 06:57 PM
Aww, Brown's flopping now :sad:
Munchkins
28-06-2013, 07:00 PM
Genie losing :bawling:
The bottom half of the womens draw is amazing.. so exciting
Michelle is being destroyed in this second set
Stephens takes the first set.
De Britto has already achieved godly status in my eyes for taking out Maria
:joker:
Maria Kirilenko @mkirilenko 57s
Wimbledon is boring this year so many injures and falling ... I pulled out from my doubles match as I also injured! Going HOME!
100% agree with Dame Kiri here
Aga could be 2nd favourite to win after today, do you dare to dream Marc?
Locke.
28-06-2013, 07:55 PM
Kvitova and Sloane going out tomorrow, it is time for Sabine to immediately be moved to that side of the draw
Locke.
28-06-2013, 08:18 PM
Lisicki is center court tomorrow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well she is playing a Grand Slam Winner after all, is she on first?
I wanted Lisicki/Stosur :mad:
Locke.
28-06-2013, 08:27 PM
She is on second after Gasquet
Aga has been shafted to Court 3
Black Dagger
28-06-2013, 08:34 PM
Del Po being on court 12 :idc:
Black Dagger
28-06-2013, 08:48 PM
How dare they treat a former grand-slam champion like this, I am outraged, who do I complain to? :mad:
King Gizzard
28-06-2013, 08:53 PM
Does that even have places for spectators to watch?
i think there is a few holes in the net in Court 12
Do all the red button games just stay with a black screen for anyone else :suspect: really annoying, can hear the commentary but get no picture
Drew.
29-06-2013, 11:27 AM
keep an eye out for the ginger haired guy on court one today
Locke.
29-06-2013, 11:29 AM
Do all the red button games just stay with a black screen for anyone else :suspect: really annoying, can hear the commentary but get no picture
Haven't tried today but it hasn't on any of the other days. You are probably just doing something wrong as usual.
keep an eye out for the ginger haired guy on court one today
Lol.. He's in Henman hill drinking pimms right now! Lucky sod!
Drew.
29-06-2013, 11:34 AM
Lol.. He's in Henman hill drinking pimms right now! Lucky sod!
he just sent me a photo of that :laugh: hes got lucky with the weather today
Don't worry guys I have solved the problem now
Locke.
29-06-2013, 12:08 PM
Fastest serves for far
1. Serena - 123mph
2. Lisicki - 120mph
3. Stosur - 119mph
Looking forward to Sabine breaking that 129mph record that Venus has later on
Laura is going to be the next victim of the court of death
Shaun
29-06-2013, 01:12 PM
that slip :/
Shaun
29-06-2013, 01:12 PM
"if laura plays well, she'll win this. if not, watch out"
stellar insight there
Munchkins
29-06-2013, 01:13 PM
Excited for Lisicki later on, hopefully she gets through and it can be a good match against Serena in the fourth :love:
Black Dagger
29-06-2013, 01:15 PM
This start.. :/
Shaun
29-06-2013, 01:17 PM
right, time to give up this pipe dream, Britain.
Black Dagger
29-06-2013, 01:21 PM
This was fun while it lasted -switches to Tomic-
Marcus.
29-06-2013, 01:26 PM
come on robson
Black Dagger
29-06-2013, 01:29 PM
Jinxed her putting her in my sig.
Hopefully she slays now in the 2nd, this has been dreadful.
arista
29-06-2013, 01:31 PM
come on robson
No she is getting upset
not a good sign
King Gizzard
29-06-2013, 01:32 PM
Laura sure is developing well http://i.imgur.com/CctUFJ5.gif
Marcus.
29-06-2013, 01:35 PM
lol nathen
it not over till it over
Is dusting brown out now?
Black Dagger
29-06-2013, 01:36 PM
Is dusting brown out now?
Unfortunately :sad:
King Gizzard
29-06-2013, 01:38 PM
weird tournament
Unfortunately :sad:
Aww.. I had high hopes for him!
Shaun
29-06-2013, 01:49 PM
oh dear, Berdych needing a doctor.
Robson is done, she won't break
Drew.
29-06-2013, 01:51 PM
Robson wont come back from this unfortunately
Munchkins
29-06-2013, 01:52 PM
Bye Laura :/
GL Aga and Lisicki today.. <3
Munchkins
29-06-2013, 01:53 PM
Wait she might break back hm
Black Dagger
29-06-2013, 01:54 PM
Why couldn't she be making shots like this at the start :bored:
Looks like it's down to Del Po and Li to hopefully make my day of tennis better.
Munchkins
29-06-2013, 01:54 PM
Oh wait.. maybe not
Marcus.
29-06-2013, 01:54 PM
she doing better
Black Dagger
29-06-2013, 01:56 PM
nvm.
Hope this bitch gets slayed by Kanepi or Riske :bored:
Marcus.
29-06-2013, 01:57 PM
come on robison
Shaun
29-06-2013, 02:03 PM
Erakovic grunts like a bloke.
Marcus.
29-06-2013, 02:04 PM
go on laura
comeback
Black Dagger
29-06-2013, 02:06 PM
Crowd cheering the fact she's held.
She's going to get killed on Erak's serve like she has all game. nvm she had a good run xo.
Shaun
29-06-2013, 02:08 PM
:suspect: Era flopping
Marcus.
29-06-2013, 02:08 PM
you never know
she could pull it back
Shaun
29-06-2013, 02:09 PM
:amazed: now we have a game
Black Dagger
29-06-2013, 02:09 PM
[3:08:12 PM] Lucas Michael: GO ON DOUBLE FAULT YOU KIWI BITCH
[3:08:17 PM] Lucas Michael: SHE HAS
lol
Black Dagger
29-06-2013, 02:09 PM
COME ON LAURA, HOLD YOUR SERVE mwah.
Drew.
29-06-2013, 02:10 PM
dont flop now you've pulled it back
Bit of a scrappy break but it will do
Marcus.
29-06-2013, 02:10 PM
you go girl
Munchkins
29-06-2013, 02:10 PM
Amazing shot at the break
Munchkins
29-06-2013, 02:11 PM
[3:08:12 PM] Lucas Michael: GO ON DOUBLE FAULT YOU KIWI BITCH
[3:08:17 PM] Lucas Michael: SHE HAS
lol
You're meant to let other people post your skype things lol :p
Drew.
29-06-2013, 02:12 PM
You're meant to let other people post your skype things lol :p
in that case
[15:08:41] Lucas Michael: GO ON DOUBLE FAULT YOU KIWI BITCH
[15:08:45] Drew: LOL
[15:08:45] Lucas Michael: SHE HAS
Shaun
29-06-2013, 02:12 PM
that didn't look out :laugh:
****ing hell, if Marina losses this after total domination then she needs to throw herself of a cliff
Black Dagger
29-06-2013, 02:12 PM
You're meant to let other people post your skype things lol :p
OMG, I only posted it, because I found it funny how I said I hope she'd double fault and she did :tongue:
Shaun
29-06-2013, 02:13 PM
ooh. Good point.
Drew.
29-06-2013, 02:14 PM
great point
Black Dagger
29-06-2013, 02:14 PM
Great point, break her again plz :love:
Marcus.
29-06-2013, 02:15 PM
the come back on
Shaun
29-06-2013, 02:17 PM
wtf was that... she just lunged wildly at that :suspect: silly cow
Hate it when the commentators mention Robson's nerves throughout the whole match and don't even spare a mention for whatever nerves Marina might be having.. she's never even reached a GS R4 before
Shaun
29-06-2013, 02:17 PM
:amazed: set point
Drew.
29-06-2013, 02:18 PM
hes done it again
[15:17:46] Lucas Michael: I need her to double fault again lol
[15:18:18] Lucas Michael: SHE HAS
[15:18:19] Drew: fgs Lucas
[15:18:19] Lucas Michael: LOL
[15:18:19] David: you jinxing bastard
Yeah feel a bit sorry for Erakovic, having your double faults met by massive cheers
Shaun
29-06-2013, 02:18 PM
:joker: jammy cow
Munchkins
29-06-2013, 02:19 PM
And shes took the set omg!
what a ****ing joke that call was
Shaun
29-06-2013, 02:19 PM
wow... surprised she turned it around really, but that was incredibly lucky (and a touch unfair on Erakovic)
Drew.
29-06-2013, 02:20 PM
her serves have been awful, crowd playing a bit part in that though
suppose it was in.. but still... :idc:
Marcus.
29-06-2013, 02:20 PM
well done to laura
what a sick and twisted crowd
Shaun
29-06-2013, 02:24 PM
think Era might have been thrown off... can see Robson jobbing her way to winning this now :idc:
Drew.
29-06-2013, 02:25 PM
i expect at least 3 more double faults
Robson still comes up with a little Aussie flag by her name on google, it's a conspiracy
Black Dagger
29-06-2013, 02:25 PM
5 if I have anything to do with it :bored:
Drew.
29-06-2013, 02:26 PM
theres 1
Robson still comes up with a little Aussie flag by her name on google, it's a conspiracy
She was born there, they can claim her when she gets knocked out :idc:
Locke.
29-06-2013, 02:27 PM
Every time I flick the Aga match on she is facing a break point
Erakovic is just imploding
Aga can't control this serve
Shaun
29-06-2013, 02:30 PM
laura if you're not going to try then just go away
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