Please sack willougby!

[the truth]

she is useless , she interrupts everything, she adds nothing, she knows nothing about music, shes vastly vastly over paid and she just takes all the magic out of the show..she talks over singers, asks them dumb questions, like ,can you believe youre here etc ...she talks over judges too and wastes crucia air time....I really don't like her rather vapid cold personality and her banal clichés read off autocue....reggie was fine.....the voice doesn't need this overhyped presenter....and before any 17 year old males respond with but shes got nice boobs, I don't care this is a music show, you want boobs try babestation.....get rid

[Alf]

But she's got a lovely set of fun bags

[joeysteele]

The Truth,I agree, she really annoyed me on the Voice this series, her ridicluous screaming as she was introducing the acts and after they finished was really awful.

She gets mixed up, all she is,is the kind of person that says look at me,aren't I beautiful.

I don't even like her on This Morning when I watch it, when they are dealing with something she clearly doesn't like we get a sort of pet lip,child sulk look.
Pleased to say I agree with you,she is awful.

[Niamh.]

I love Holly :love:

[the truth]

I love Holly :love:

fair enough....ps why? what does she actually know of music? what does she add to this show? do you think shes worth thousands of pounds per minute of tax payers money? really?

[Shaun]

she's nice but she has literally no personality.

[the truth]

she's nice but she has literally no personality.

or knowledge or musical experience or intelligence or even the good manners to shut up , listen and let others talk

[Niamh.]

fair enough....ps why? what does she actually know of music? what does she add to this show? do you think shes worth thousands of pounds per minute of tax payers money? really?

I don't think she needs to know anything about music to be the presenter, her job is introducing the acts etc For me the presenter just needs to be likeable and good at their job which i believe Holly is

[HD]

She should be removed from TV full stop.

Over-rated doesn't cut it, only person who comes close is Keith bastard Lemon.
Both vile cretins

[the truth]

I don't think she needs to know anything about music to be the presenter, her job is introducing the acts etc For me the presenter just needs to be likeable and good at their job which i believe Holly is

I disagree entirely. She uses up more air time than anyone else on the show with her wooden reading from the auto cue for £28,000 an episode? for that enormous money (tax payers money in a triple dip recession) we should get someone with some knowledge, some basic understanding of when to shut up and listen and not talk over infinitely more experienced more knowledgeable people.

but then again she married the tv producer so clearly she will be favoured

[Niamh.]

Ok well we could sit here arguing about it all day but it's not going to make me like her less or you like her more

[the truth]

Ok well we could sit here arguing about it all day but it's not going to make me like her less or you like her more

sad you've ignored my last points

[GiRTh]

Holly's the tip of the iceberg so sacking her wont save this awful show.

[Niamh.]

sad you've ignored my last points

Well, I'm not British so it's not my tax money and I don't really care who she's married to, I still like her as a presenter :conf:

[Kazanne]

it is an obscene amount of money to pay someone on TV,surely doctors,nurses etc,deserve a cut of that,She is ok but not a brilliant presenter imo.

[GiRTh]

Well, I'm not British so it's not my tax money and I don't really care who she's married to, I still like her as a presenter :conf::worship:

[the truth]

Well, I'm not British so it's not my tax money and I don't really care who she's married to, I still like her as a presenter :conf:

whats british got to do with it? her husband she met in 2004 on a tv show and this soon got the shows titled changed to include her name....is she worth £28.000 tax payers money, for the few minutes she reads mindless drivel off the autocue? why allow her this airtime to interrupt and talk over singers and judges.....on occasions she takes so much air time for this drivel, some judges don't even get a chance to critique? please tell me what brilliant witticism or insight or critique of hers can you recall and tell us about? pls convince us she is worth £5000 a sentence?

[Niamh.]

whats british got to do with it? her husband she met in 2004 on a tv show and this soon got the shows titled changed to include her name....is she worth £28.000 tax payers money, for the few minutes she reads mindless drivel off the autocue? why allow her this airtime to interrupt and talk over singers and judges.....on occasions she takes so much air time for this drivel, some judges don't even get a chance to critique? please tell me what brilliant witticism or insight or critique of hers can you recall and tell us about? pls convince us she is worth £5000 a sentence?

Well, you specifically asked me to answer your points, one of which was : for that enormous money (tax payers money in a triple dip recession) we should get someone with some knowledge, some basic understanding of when to shut up and listen and not talk over infinitely more experienced more knowledgeable people. As I'm not British, it isn't my tax money that's paying her wages...........

Also, I don't have to convince you of anything, she's a presenter who I like, I couldn't give a flying **** whether you do or not lol

[Munchkins]

I love Holly, i've always found her genuinely sweet, and likeable when presenting. She is definitely much better when she is on This Morning though

[Stevep]

I like Holly and wouldn't mind if she was on next year, but it's true she is there for her name and not due to her presenting prowess. I don;t go along with her lacking a personality, on Celeb Juice she is pretty funny. Not laugh out loud funny, but amusing nonetheless!

Fearne Cotton would be good at it, although i doubt she'd take a job that her mate had previously been given the boot from.

[the truth]

Well, you specifically asked me to answer your points, one of which was : for that enormous money (tax payers money in a triple dip recession) we should get someone with some knowledge, some basic understanding of when to shut up and listen and not talk over infinitely more experienced more knowledgeable people. As I'm not British, it isn't my tax money that's paying her wages...........

Also, I don't have to convince you of anything, she's a presenter who I like, I couldn't give a flying **** whether you do or not lol

so you cant justify a word of what youre saying and when asked you respond by swearing like apetulant child....all Im aksing is why you think shes a great presenter for the voice and how you think her salary is justified. you don't have to answer, Im wondering now if you even have an answer?

[Niamh.]

so you cant justify a word of what youre saying and when asked you respond by swearing like apetulant child....all Im aksing is why you think shes a great presenter for the voice and how you think her salary is justified. you don't have to answer, Im wondering now if you even have an answer?

Why do I need to justify the fact that I like her as a presenter?

[Marsh.]

she knows nothing about music

I don't care this is a music show

I'm sorry, I may be wrong but you seem to be under the delusion that this show is about music? :laugh2:

And name me one TV star who isn't "vastly overpaid", that's the industry. None of them actually deserve the megabucks they get even if they're talented at what they do.

But, hey, life's a bitch.

[the truth]

I like Holly and wouldn't mind if she was on next year, but it's true she is there for her name and not due to her presenting prowess. I don;t go along with her lacking a personality, on Celeb Juice she is pretty funny. Not laugh out loud funny, but amusing nonetheless!

Fearne Cotton would be good at it, although i doubt she'd take a job that her mate had previously been given the boot from.

not only is she dull as dishwater, she adds nothing, she just takes away and is rude enough to talk over everyone and steal air time. oh and shes getting £28k an episode which is 15 episodes totals £420,000 tax payers money for reading a few meaningless lines off an autocue?

[Marsh.]

This "talk over everyone" is this to get them to hurry the hell up and say something, make a vote because she's got a producer screaming in her ear that they're running out of time?
Perhaps.

[the truth]

I'm sorry, I may be wrong but you seem to be under the delusion that this show is about music? :laugh2:

And name me one TV star who isn't "vastly overpaid", that's the industry. None of them actually deserve the megabucks they get even if they're talented at what they do.

But, hey, life's a bitch.

I disagree......tom Jessie danny and will earn the money the market demands as people buy their music and their tickets etc
holly is paid by the tax payers by the tax funded BBC for £420000 for doing almost nothing....its crazy....and yes I do believe the show is meant to be about the not a talentless overpaid presenter who adds nothing and knows nothing about music

[Roy Mars III]

anyone who likes her should be ashamed of themselves

[Niamh.]

This "talk over everyone" is this to get them to hurry the hell up and say something, make a vote because she's got a producer screaming in her ear that they're running out of time?
Perhaps.

Oh No No Marsh, I'm sure it's just cos she only wants to hear her own voice :laugh:

[the truth]

This "talk over everyone" is this to get them to hurry the hell up and say something, make a vote because she's got a producer screaming in her ear that they're running out of time?
Perhaps.

the show works infinitely better in the blind auditions simply because she isn't involved and the singers can just talk to the judges.....this illustrates the fact she is simply not needed.

[Marsh.]

I disagree......tom Jessie danny and will earn the money the market demands as people buy their music and their tickets etc
holly is paid by the tax payers by the tax funded BBC for £420000 for doing almost nothing....its crazy....and yes I do believe the show is meant to be about the not a talentless overpaid presenter who adds nothing and knows nothing about music

Actually, they too are paid by the tax payer in their fee for being on the show.

Jessie J giving advice to budding musicians when she has all of one album and no longevity under her belt. You could rip apart the credibility of this show on every level.

And, yes people buy their music, does it mean that their talent deserves millions and millions? No. As another poster said, doctors and nurses who save lives everyday deserve it more. But that's life, it's not always fair.

[the truth]

anyone who likes her should be ashamed of themselves

sarcasm is the lowest for of wit

anyone who pays her £420,000 for doing almost nothing should be truly ashamed of themselves

[Munchkins]

I really like Reggie, and i get annoyed at how they hardly show him? how does he justify his pay when hes on for even less than holly, they seem to just use him as a bit part :laugh:

[Marsh.]

sarcasm is the lowest for of wit

anyone who pays her £420,000 for doing almost nothing should be truly ashamed of themselves

Is this news? Welcome to showbiz, it's the name of the game.

Talentless fools like Jennifer Lopez can demand millions upon millions to make a movie and be treated like a goddess. Or show the world her vagina on a Saturday night family show.

It's never been fair. :laugh:

[the truth]

Actually, they too are paid by the tax payer in their fee for being on the show.

Jessie J giving advice to budding musicians when she has all of one album and no longevity under her belt. You could rip apart the credibility of this show on every level.

And, yes people buy their music, does it mean that their talent deserves millions and millions? No. As another poster said, doctors and nurses who save lives everyday deserve it more. But that's life, it's not always fair.

wrong....the 4 judges have experience singing, dancing, performing, entertaining millions of music fans, working alongside musicians, creating songs, music, videos etc etc

Willoughby has none of this knowledge or experience

heck tom used to present , sing solo, duets and do the monologues all on his own on his 1970s tv shows.....and they were terrific.....no wooden presenter in sight

[the truth]

Is this news? Welcome to showbiz, it's the name of the game.

Talentless fools like Jennifer Lopez can demand millions upon millions to make a movie and be treated like a goddess. Or show the world her vagina on a Saturday night family show.

It's never been fair. :laugh:

yes it is news....its not the name of any game....lopez is a proven entertainer with a large number of movie appearances, hit records, sold out concerts etc

Willoughby has done zero in the music business

youre comparing apples with oranges, utter nonsense...no offence

[Marsh.]

wrong....the 4 judges have experience singing, dancing, performing, entertaining millions of music fans, working alongside musicians, creating songs, music, videos etc etc

Willoughby has none of this knowledge or experience

heck tom used to present , sing solo, duets and do the monologues all on his own on his 1970s tv shows.....and they were terrific.....no wooden presenter in sight

a) I never said the 4 judges didn't do all of those things, but do I believe those things deserves millions in return? No.

But I'll also point out plenty popstars have done the things you listed and are worthless crap with no talent. So, even more, they don't deserve the money either.

b) The presenter doesn't need a knowledge of music, they stand there for a couple of minutes at a time giving out the phone numbers and introducing the acts. No music knowledge required.

[Munchkins]

Most presenters have no music knowledge, what does Dermot know?? he spends a lot of the time prancing about and getting attention etc

[Marsh.]

yes it is news....its not the name of any game....lopez is a proven entertainer with a large number of movie appearances, hit records, sold out concerts etc

Willoughby has done zero in the music business

youre comparing apples with oranges, utter nonsense...no offence

It's news to you that celebrities receive these vast sums of money for relatively very little work?

Lopez can't sing or act yet gets paid to release music and act in movies.
You're saying Willoughby can't present a TV show and gets paid as a presenter, so yes it is comparable.

Willoughby isn't hired as a music professional, that's not her purpose.
Just as the narrator of The Apprentice most likely knows bugger all about business, but that's not his purpose.

They are there to relay voting/contestant information to the audience. The music schtick is for the judges.

[Niamh.]

Most presenters have no music knowledge, what does Dermot know?? he spends a lot of the time prancing about and getting attention etc

He's a man though :idc:

[the truth]

It's news to you that celebrities receive these vast sums of money for relatively very little work?

Lopez can't sing or act yet gets paid to release music and act in movies.
You're saying Willoughby can't present a TV show and gets paid as a presenter, so yes it is comparable.

Willoughby isn't hired as a music professional, that's not her purpose.
Just as the narrator of The Apprentice most likely knows bugger all about business, but that's not his purpose.

They are there to relay voting/contestant information to the audience. The music schtick is for the judges.

she not only fails and has zero knowledge of anything, in which case her skill/talent is not specialised at all..whereas the talent of the coaches is specialised and proven ..they could get 10001 people to read off the dummy cards, so her fee is simply unjustifiable on every level....on top of that she cannot even do the basics of a presenters job which is to not just read off autocue but to interact, to converse and listen...instead she simply talks over people....she simply lacks any skill or talent and doesn't even have the basic social skills to interact with people....reggie is vastly better...yet is hidden away back stage and paid a tiny fraction....he actually has a sense of humour and some personality....holly is simply useless....they could get anyone better at a snip of her fat salary

[the truth]

He's a man though :idc:

theres a load of female presenters way way way better than this overpaid fake

[Marsh.]

she not only fails and has zero knowledge of anything, in which case her skill/talent is not specialised at all..whereas the talent of the coaches is specialised and proven ..they could get 10001 people to read off the dummy cards, so her fee is simply unjustifiable on every level....on top of that she cannot even do the basics of a presenters job which is to not just read off autocue but to interact, to converse and listen...instead she simply talks over people....she simply lacks any skill or talent and doesn't even have the basic social skills to interact with people....reggie is vastly better...yet is hidden away back stage and paid a tiny fraction....he actually has a sense of humour and some personality....holly is simply useless....they could get anyone better at a snip of her fat salary

Which has what to do with her knowledge of music?

It's a glorified karaoke session.

[the truth]

Which has what to do with her knowledge of music?

It's a glorified karaoke session.

so you think its worth all this money to pay a talentless bimbo a fortune to present a so called karaoke session?

I think the quality of singers is better than karaoke singers

why do you ignore all other points? if it was your show, called the voice, about the voice, would you pay someone with zero music knowledge or experience at all, with zero personality, no discernible talent, poor social and listening skills, £420,000 to read a few corny lines off dummy cards and talk over everyone else in a monotone voice?

[Munchkins]

How is she a bimbo? just because she's blonde and was showing her clevage doesnt mean she is..
She comes across quite clever and considerate on this morning, i just think the Voice portrays her as a bimbo

[Marsh.]

so you think its worth all this money to pay a talentless bimbo a fortune to present a so called karaoke session?

I think the quality of singers is better than karaoke singers

why do you ignore all other points? if it was your show, called the voice, about the voice, would you pay someone with zero music knowledge or experience at all, with zero personality, no discernible talent, poor social and listening skills, £420,000 to read a few corny lines off dummy cards and talk over everyone else in a monotone voice?

I never said she was worth the money, as I said I think these celebs in general earn way too much money regardless of their level of talent.

I never ignored your points, I addressed them in several previous posts, you seem to be ignoring those.

If it was my show I wouldn't care about the music knowledge of the presenter because all they need is to look good and have good presenting skills, the music expertise should come from the judges. The presenters aren't there to critique and assess.

You could stick Paul McCartney as the presenter of the show and his musical expertise would mean diddly squat in a presenter role.

[Stevep]

why do you ignore all other points? if it was your show, called the voice, about the voice, would you pay someone with zero music knowledge or experience at all, with zero personality, no discernible talent, poor social and listening skills, £420,000 to read a few corny lines off dummy cards and talk over everyone else in a monotone voice?

She isn't there to add her expertise in the field of music, she is not a critic ,she is there to present and nothing more. If you have a problem with her presenting style, which you obviously do, then fine have a go, but her musical knowledge shouldn't really come into it. Out of interest do you have a problem with Reggie? He seems to add nothing in terms of critique even though he has a music backround.

And tbf, what sort of music knowledge are you after? You don't have to be an expert in the field to notice who has a decent voice and who doesn't, distinguishing the good from the bad is a pretty basic talent in regards to music, everybody has the ability to do so. As long as you are not a teenybopper that is more interested in looks than talent you're fine in recognizing talent.

[MTVN]

Holly is worth every penny of our taxes

[Niamh.]

She isn't there to add her expertise in the field of music, she is not a critic ,she is there to present and nothing more. If you have a problem with her presenting style, which you obviously do, then fine have a go, but her musical knowledge shouldn't really come into it. Out of interest do you have a problem with Reggie? He seems to add nothing in terms of critique even though he has a music backround.

And tbf, what sort of music knowledge are you after? You don't have to be an expert in the field to notice who has a decent voice and who doesn't, distinguishing the good from the bad is a pretty basic talent in regards to music, everybody has the ability to do so. As long as you are not a teenybopper that is more interested in looks than talent you're fine in recognizing talent.

And even so, as presenter, Holly is supposed to be impartial, she's certainly not there to analyse the contestants performances

[the truth]

She isn't there to add her expertise in the field of music, she is not a critic ,she is there to present and nothing more. If you have a problem with her presenting style, which you obviously do, then fine have a go, but her musical knowledge shouldn't really come into it. Out of interest do you have a problem with Reggie? He seems to add nothing in terms of critique even though he has a music backround.

And tbf, what sort of music knowledge are you after? You don't have to be an expert in the field to notice who has a decent voice and who doesn't, distinguishing the good from the bad is a pretty basic talent in regards to music, everybody has the ability to do so. As long as you are not a teenybopper that is more interested in looks than talent you're fine in recognizing talent.

she is utterly useless in every aspect of her job....she doesn't even admire to be remotely sincere when she says woodenly how amazing each performance was....I doubt shes even a music lover....her total lack of passion for anything but self publicity , her vapid personality and dreadful listening/communication skills are embarrassing to behold....she is simply awful as a host for this show

[the truth]

And even so, as presenter, Holly is supposed to be impartial, she's certainly not there to analyse the contestants performances

then why doesn't she shut up and allow the music lovers and experts to talk?

[the truth]

Holly is worth every penny of our taxes

I don't believe youre being sincere, as usual

[Niamh.]

then why doesn't she shut up and allow the music lovers and experts to talk?

As Marsh already pointed out, she's probably being told to hurry them up, that's usually what happens when presenters talk over the judges in shows like this, Dermot does it all the time on X Factor

[Marsh.]

her total lack of passion for anything but self publicityw

How would you know this? Fair enough evaluate her presenting skills but to make these presumptions is a bit uncalled for.

Her career relies on being on TV, so she's going to be on TV. She wouldn't be a TV presenter without it.

In regards to the music, if you want deep musical understanding and knowledge then a Saturday night talent show is not the place to find it. Even Tom Jones struggles to say anything outside of standard talent show cliches.

[Munchkins]

I'm sorry Truth, but you're simply just turning this into a character assassination of Holly, on every aspect of her personality, calling her a bimbo etc
Have you ever watched her on other shows? shes a competent likeable presenter, whos loved by many.

[the truth]

I'm sorry Truth, but you're simply just turning this into a character assassination of Holly, on every aspect of her personality, calling her a bimbo etc
Have you ever watched her on other shows? shes a competent likeable presenter, whos loved by many.

yes I think she is a very poor presenter. Vastly overpaid (by tax payers)worse than that though she actually ruins the show.

[the truth]

How would you know this? Fair enough evaluate her presenting skills but to make these presumptions is a bit uncalled for.

Her career relies on being on TV, so she's going to be on TV. She wouldn't be a TV presenter without it.

In regards to the music, if you want deep musical understanding and knowledge then a Saturday night talent show is not the place to find it. Even Tom Jones struggles to say anything outside of standard talent show cliches.

again I disagree
Tom speaks when he needs to and wants to...he knows what hes talking about and he is sincere...he doesn't simply talk for the sake of it
I didn't say deep musical understanding did I? did I ask her to be George martin? nope... why exaggerate my points and twist my words? Totally unnecessary and a tad disingenuous:nono:
I would like a presenter with a modicum of talent, personality, passion for music and yes at least some knowledge of the subject and even basic communication skills? for £28,000 an episode Id want this.

[Marsh.]

Well, she does have the "basic" communication skills.

I'd like to know where you'd like her to slip this musical knowledge into the show?

In the middle of reading out the numbers? Just before she requests "judges your comments please" or when the contestant is singing?

Like I said, the presenter's knowledge or lack of knowledge is irrelevant to the job they are doing.

[the truth]

Well, she does have the "basic" communication skills.

I'd like to know where you'd like her to slip this musical knowledge into the show?

In the middle of reading out the numbers? Just before she requests "judges your comments please" or when the contestant is singing?

Like I said, the presenter's knowledge or lack of knowledge is irrelevant to the job they are doing.

no she doesn't she talks over everyone, her timing is also abysmal....remind me please of anything interesting she has ever said? oh let me guess shes not there to be interesting, or polite, or even grasp the first thing about music, or to listen to allow others time to answer a question....so what is she there for? to read the autocue and talk over everyone?

she doesn't even show any genuine enthusiasm, I would even doubt she listens to any of this music, shes not even competent enough to ask the right question and shut up and listen to the answers....meanwhile reggie manages to be witty and spontaneous without being ignorant like holly....
I 100% disagree with your rather fickle analysis and almost every single reply you've made to this thread...£420,000 for a waste of space is a disgrace...strange though how you've managed to have a dig at tom jones, a legend whose had hits round the globe for near 50 years, whose sung his heart out note perfect on every show and always been gracious kind and sincere throughout every episode.... but meanwhile you say nothing of the useless overpaid presenter?

But no hard feelings clearly we will never even get close to agreeing on any of this

[Marsh.]

she doesn't even show any genuine enthusiasm, I would even doubt she listens to any of this music, shes not even competent enough to ask the right question and shut up and listen to the answers....meanwhile reggie manages to be witty and spontaneous without being ignorant like holly....
I 100% disagree with your rather fickle analysis and almost every single reply you've made to this thread...£420,000 for a waste of space is a disgrace...strange though how you've managed to have a dig at tom jones, a legend whose had hits round the globe for near 50 years, whose sung his heart out note perfect on every show and always been gracious kind and sincere throughout every episode.... but meanwhile you say nothing of the useless overpaid presenter?

I think you'll find my opinion is just as valid as yours and isn't "fickle" at all, maybe more valid than yours because it doesn't contain blatant sexism (see your bimbo references).

I've already given you my opinion on Holly's pay packet, it's overblown (the same as any other TV/celeb star). But as for her ability to do the job, I think she is adequate enough considering the minimal importance her role holds.

Tom's "note perfect" voice and sincerity has nothing to do with the fact that on this show (I'm not commenting on his career but his appearance on this show) he uses the same old cliches, as do the other judges. Frankly, he's a sellout for going anywhere near this show.

[the truth]

I think you'll find my opinion is just as valid as yours and isn't "fickle" at all, maybe more valid than yours because it doesn't contain blatant sexism (see your bimbo references).

I've already given you my opinion on Holly's pay packet, it's overblown (the same as any other TV/celeb star). But as for her ability to do the job, I think she is adequate enough considering the minimal importance her role holds.

Tom's "note perfect" voice and sincerity has nothing to do with the fact that on this show (I'm not commenting on his career but his appearance on this show) he uses the same old cliches, as do the other judges. Frankly, he's a sellout for going anywhere near this show.

She has been abysmal on the voice, absolutely abysmal....she also takes up more air time than anyone and has less to contribute than anyone, yet is paid a kings ransom (from our pockets)this is why she should be sacked

Delighted to hear too theres been hundreds of complaints about her inappropriate pre watershed dresswear too....as for the word bimbo grow up and don't be so sensitive..she is the exact definition of a bimbo...air-headed with nothing to say...theres been 1001 worse insults thrown about here every day and I don't hear you complain about each and every word.

[Cherie]

How do you feel about Wossy being paid 6 million a year before he left the Beeb, as we are on the subject of wasting tax payers money?

[Marsh.]

She has been abysmal on the voice, absolutely abysmal....she also takes up more air time than anyone and has less to contribute than anyone, yet is paid a kings ransom (from our pockets)this is why she should be sacked

Delighted to hear too theres been hundreds of complaints about her inappropriate pre watershed dresswear too....as for the word bimbo grow up and don't be so sensitive..she is the exact definition of a bimbo...air-headed with nothing to say...theres been 1001 worse insults thrown about here every day and I don't hear you complain about each and every word.

She doesn't have more screentime than anyone at all. She barely there except when introducing people.

I'm not being sensitive, just pointing out that calling her a bimbo due to a few scripted lines she says on camera for a couple of minutes on a Saturday night is a tad uncalled for.

Don't get all pedantic, I don't see "each and every word" and this word has popped up in a conversation I am taking part in so I'll comment on it where I see fit.