Labours Changes on Union Funding (GMB Union withdraws a million)

[arista]

First Title of Thread : Labour MP Tom Watson quits as row over union stink




For Kizzy
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/jul/04/tom-watson-resigns-shadow-cabinet



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[Battle for control of Labour claims its
first scalp: Tom Watson quits as row
over union funding threatens to split party
MP resigns as general election
campaign chief with extraordinary letter
Became embroiled in row over Unite union
trying to seize control of Labour
The trade union, Britain’s biggest,
is by far the party's largest donor
Ed Miliband forced to defend Mr Watson
in the Commons yesterday]


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2355981/Tom-Watson-resigns-row-union-funding-threatens-split-Labour-party.html#ixzz2Y5chZ3mN


He was going to stand down next year
but went early due to the Unite Stink.

[Kizzy]

Hmmmm, are they terrified of what Mr Watson will say once he no longer has to toe the party line? He may also want to speak out over the 80's sexual exploitation within Maggies cabinet....
Really looking forward to what this guy has to say, unite is a necessity for the UK IMO.

[arista]

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Ed should have spoken about this a week to the Union
not a month ago.

The Union is Angry with Ed's calling the Police in.

The problem is
there is another 40 seats like this
if one more is rigged then Ed Miliband is in big trouble
as he claims its only Falkirk.


[Red Len vs Red Ed: Civil war in the
Labour party as biggest union donor says he has 'no trust' in Miliband's leadership]
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2356665/Civil-war-Labour-party-Len-McCluskey-says-trust-Milibands-leadership.html#ixzz2YCAGqjVu



Link for Wise Kizzy
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/jul/05/labour-police-falkirk-selection-row

[arista]

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[arista]

Why is Labour Hiding this Report

Publish It


Put your cards on the Fecking Table

Unite pay for Labour

[Nedusa]

He's put on a bit of weight since his Golfing days.........!!!!

[arista]

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Cartoonist Steve Bells Take on
Ed , Len and the PM and a banker

[arista]

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/jul/08/ed-miliband-labour-politics

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2358174/Scotland-Yard-asked-investigate-union-influence-TWO-London-seats-Labour-crisis-deepens-Miliband.html

[arista]

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Come on Len whats your view on Ed s changes



For Kizzy
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/blog/2013/jul/09/ed-miliband-reforming-labour-unions-live

[Limits should be imposed on MPs earning
hundreds of thousands
He also wants union members to ‘opt in’ to hand
over an annual £3 donation to Labour which they
currently pay automatically
Mr Miliband wants to regain credibility after
claims that members of the Unite union conspired
to fix a Labour candidate selection in Falkirk
The plans have been met with
criticism by Unite leader Len McCluskey]

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2358771/Ed-Miliband-demands-limits-MPs-second-jobs.html#ixzz2YY2BQ1sv

[Nedusa]

It is unsual these days to see a story like this, these sorts of news stories involving Unions and Politicians are more reminiscent of the 70's & 80's..........

[arista]

It is unsual these days to see a story like this, these sorts of news stories involving Unions and Politicians are more reminiscent of the 70's & 80's..........


Yes but Blair changed it all.




Unite Union needs to now say Yes or No to Ed'd Goofy changes.

[arista]

A very relaxed Len was just Live on SkyNewsHD



Feck me he wants the Full details first


And on Falkirk
he says Unite Union did nothing wrong

Videos:
http://news.sky.com/story/1113175/miliband-vows-to-reform-labours-union-ties

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[arista]

"Labour signed blank-cheque Private Public Partnership contracts which amount to daylight robbery for taxpayers.
Open-ended deals run for decades, with taxpayers held hostage to huge penalty costs for routine work like changing locks or lightbulbs.
One top civil servant told me: “We had to learn as we went along.” Yet we pay these officials handsomely to protect the taxpayer interest — and reward them with gold-plated pensions which are unafford-able in the private sector.

Matthew Sinclair, of the TaxPayers’ Alliance, claims £120BILLION could be saved in Whitehall waste — enough to write off our budget deficit and end austerity. For a start, we could save £50billion by putting those inflation-proof pensions — a huge £2TRILLION liability on future generations — on the same footing as the private sector.
Another £25billion is wasted by the clunky system of buying defence kit and £20billion more is lost in rip-offs identified by the National Fraud Office. "


From the sun+ online
By TREVOR KAVANAGH, Associate Editor

[Jesus.]

If labour make a clean break from unions, then their only hope in any future general election, is disenchantment with the Tories.

In a world where the workers are being s**t on from an increasingly great height, then this seems absurd pandering to a centre right press.

Back the poor, back working people, and back the unions.

[Z]

If labour make a clean break from unions, then their only hope in any future general election, is disenchantment with the Tories.

In a world where the workers are being s**t on from an increasingly great height, then this seems absurd pandering to a centre right press.

Back the poor, back working people, and back the unions.

I agree. I think it's about time politics went back out to traditional left and right wings once again; politics is very cyclical and I think we've reached a point where all the parties are too centrist and there needs to be some distinction between them again. I believe this is why the BNP, UKIP, the EDL and other unsavoury organisations have been gaining traction in this country - if the main political parties had more concrete, distinctive views then people would gravitate towards them rather than extremist groups.

[Jesus.]

I agree. I think it's about time politics went back out to traditional left and right wings once again; politics is very cyclical and I think we've reached a point where all the parties are too centrist and there needs to be some distinction between them again. I believe this is why the BNP, UKIP, the EDL and other unsavoury organisations have been gaining traction in this country - if the main political parties had more concrete, distinctive views then people would gravitate towards them rather than extremist groups.

I disagree. Politics isn't centrist in this country. What has happened, is that the right is drifting further and further to the right, so in order to appear centrist, then Labour are moving further along to meet them. There isn't a convergence somewhere in the middle, labour are going right. Blair was basically a centre/centre-right politician, and they've moved right since his time.

I'd love a genuine socialist party to break through, and offer a true alternative to the direction of the country. All the things we love in this country regarding government are generally socialist policies.

[Z]

I disagree. Politics isn't centrist in this country. What has happened, is that the right is drifting further and further to the right, so in order to appear centrist, then Labour are moving further along to meet them. There isn't a convergence somewhere in the middle, labour are going right. Blair was basically a centre/centre-right politician, and they've moved right since his time.

I'd love a genuine socialist party to break through, and offer a true alternative to the direction of the country. All the things we love in this country regarding government are generally socialist policies.

That's true. It's madness that we have a Conservative-Lib Dem coalition as our government. I do think that Labour needs to make a sharp turn back towards the left because people aren't going to vote for them even if the Conservatives are brutally carving up the country, because they're not doing anything radically different to what the Tories are putting in place. It's really difficult for new political parties to gain credibility in general though; while I would like to see a new socialist party make rapid gains, I fear that they wouldn't have much voter confidence because of the virtue of this hypothetical party being new... which is why I think it would be better if Labour or the Lib Dems veered back to the left again. Harder for the Lib-Dems to do so because they're in a web with the Tories, but Labour could do it. They need a passionate public speaker with strong ideas to lead them.

[arista]

No
Many are now not in Unions - NOW

A Hard Working British Lorry Driver on Ch4News
confirmed he was not in a Union
never heard of them

[Jesus.]

No
Many are now not in Unions - NOW

A Hard Working British Lorry Driver on Ch4News
confirmed he was not in a Union
never heard of them

That's his loss then. Unions will protect you in ways you can't protect yourself. Unions are the reason there are working age limits, holiday pay, safe working conditions, minimum wage, WTD, and the list could go on and on. All the perks people enjoy at work, they only enjoy because a union fought to get them that.

What you continually fail to realise, is that during the time that unions have been waning in power, then the gap in wages between CEO's and workers is getting wider exponentially. No one would think it was a good idea to build a house from the roof down, but apparently that's a healthy way to run an economy.

[Kizzy]

The chipping away at the rights of workers will have a serious consequences from a sociological perspective, if there are no secure jobs then that impacts on spending and all aspects of family life within all communities in the UK.

Over the years unskilled workers have seen contracts change from permanent full time to renewable temporary part time in order to forgo any benefits, pensions, bonuses, overtime, share scheme, maternity, holiday or sick pay in a bid to minimize outlay and maximise profits.... But has this economic model worked in the UK?

Now they're moving the goal posts as to who is entitled to take action I cases of dispute via tribunals, shifting the bar from 1yr of employment to 2yrs and as of this year there will be a fee also. Who having found themselves jobless has the extra cash for this action?...
There's a definite lurch in favour of employers here, and that's all well and good but if there's no stable society there's no stable economy, they're building a house of straw here....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-15154088

[arista]

'Hesitant and confused with a bunker mentality':
Labour MP's damning verdict
on Ed Miliband's troubled leadership
Ex-minister George Mudie says no-one knows
what the party's policies are
Miliband is 'cocooned' by cronies and failing
to take the fight to the Tories


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2382539/Hesitant-confused-bunker-mentality-Labour-MPs-damning-verdict-Ed-Milibands-troubled-leadership.html

Ed the Fecking Dork

[Z]

They've been mismanaged by a series of bumbling idiots ever since Tony Blair left - I disliked that man intensely but you can't deny he was a lot better at his job than all of the subsequent Labour leaders

[arista]

They've been mismanaged by a series of bumbling idiots ever since Tony Blair left - I disliked that man intensely but you can't deny he was a lot better at his job than all of the subsequent Labour leaders


[Labour MP says Ed’s confused
A SENIOR Labour MP yesterday launched
a devastating attack on Ed Miliband, calling his leadership
“hesitant and confused”.
George Mudie confessed he was deeply worried about the
party’s prospects with the next General Election
just 18 months away.
The former minister — a member of the powerful
Treasury Select Committee — warned that Labour member
s across Britain “have difficulty knowing what we stand for now”. ]
from sun + online ,this morning


"a lot better at his job than all of the subsequent Labour "


Lets see what happens when he meets the Unions
and blocks the press or something stupid
(and someone leaks it to the press)
at his Sept Conference

[Z]

There's no confidence in Miliband as a leader evidently. I don't even know who would be a better replacement. Just seems stagnant.

[Kizzy]

I don't know who will be fighting in the corner of the unions but I hope to god someone does, if not the future looks very bleak.

[arista]

By Emily Ashton, Whitehall Corresponden

[Two-thirds of Ed Miliband’s Euro candidates
have union links, it emerged last
night — sparking a new row over who runs Labour.
Of the 70 standing in next year’s
Euro elections, 46 are backed by unions.
And ten out of the 11 candidates
who are most likely to win are
backed by unions.

The Tories seized on yesterday’s
list of candidates as proof Mr Miliband
is still in the pocket of militant union
bosses such as Unite’s Len McCluskey.

The Labour leader promised to water down
the unions’ links with Labour after the row
over alleged vote-rigging by Unite in Falkirk.
But the list will heap further pressure
on Mr Miliband — who is on holiday
in France — after The Sun revealed
last week unions have donated £120million
to Labour in the past 12 years. ]


from the sun+ online

[Kizzy]

Is Eddie privatising the labour party?...... methinks he is.

[arista]

Is Eddie privatising the labour party?...... methinks he is.



All the Public want is to be live on TV
Not shut away

[Kizzy]

All the Public want is to be live on TV
Not shut away

I don't get what you mean here,
more transparency in who funds ALL parties?

Ooh, would Dave go for that? He has a few skeletons in his closet too, he won't want that much sniffing around :laugh:

[arista]

I don't get what you mean here,
more transparency in who funds ALL parties?

Ooh, would Dave go for that? He has a few skeletons in his closet too, he won't want that much sniffing around :laugh:


No Transparency with Unions and Labour is whats needed



Thats what Ed spins to avert his Corruption in Unions
but this is about Labour Unions.
Not Conservative-LibDem.

[Kizzy]

No Transparency with Unions and Labour is whats needed



Thats what Ed spins to avert his Corruption in Unions
but this is about Labour Unions.
Not Conservative-LibDem.

Ah so labour have to have total transparency but condem don't? but unfair that....

[arista]

Ah so labour have to have total transparency but condem don't? but unfair that....



No Kizzy
this thread is about Unions and Labour Corruption.

This Forum is well Balanced

[joeysteele]

I don't get this,the Labour party is a massive part of the Union movement,there would not have been a Labour party without them.

Maybe the funding does need looking at but it's certainly clear that when Labour is in Govt, the Unions moan at them as much as they doe the Conservatives and even this coalition.
So it would seem once in Govt, Labour does not, and never has done really, give in to the Unions lock, stock and barrel.
Even in 1978/9 less than a year before the elction was due, it was the fact that Labour 'refused' to give in to Union demands that led to the Labour Govt being brought down.

Can the Conservatives claim the same that it does not and never would give in to big business and their demands and influences.

The funding for all parties needs to be looked at,but union contributions are made on behalf of many thousands and millions of workers.
Contributions to the Conservative party comes mainly from boardroom decisions,whether their workers like that or not.

Ed Miliband is right to be looking at the make up of union funding and only those who want to donate to Labour should do so.
The same scrutiny though should come, and if it won't come voluntarily then it should be forced to be so, for the donations to the Conservative party too.

[arista]

I don't get this,the Labour party is a massive part of the Union movement,there would not have been a Labour party without them.

Maybe the funding does need looking at but it's certainly clear that when Labour is in Govt, the Unions moan at them as much as they doe the Conservatives and even this coalition.
So it would seem once in Govt, Labour does not, and never has done really, give in to the Unions lock, stock and barrel.
Even in 1978/9 less than a year before the elction was due, it was the fact that Labour 'refused' to give in to Union demands that led to the Labour Govt being brought down.

Can the Conservatives claim the same that it does not and never would give in to big business and their demands and influences.

The funding for all parties needs to be looked at,but union contributions are made on behalf of many thousands and millions of workers.
Contributions to the Conservative party comes mainly from boardroom decisions,whether their workers like that or not.

Ed Miliband is right to be looking at the make up of union funding and only those who want to donate to Labour should do so.
The same scrutiny though should come, and if it won't come voluntarily then it should be forced to be so, for the donations to the Conservative party too.



Yes he has Many Live Debates to Come.


but this is about Elections being Rigged by Unions

Not about funding of all.


The House of Lords is Over flowing
far to many get paid then go home - What the Feck is that.

[joeysteele]

Labour generally though always had union members as candidates for elections anyway. if you are donating the funds the Unions do to Labour then representation is pefectly in order to try to achieve.
In all situations things will be mismanaged and some problems will occur.

It is wrong to bypass any electoral process but no matter what candidate Labour has anywhere, it is still in the end the voters who will decide if they get to Parliament or not as an MP, not the Unions.

I think Ed Miliband is doing the right thing, I will wait to see what he proposes at the party conference but I applaud that he is even willing to look at the issue never mind take it on.
That is far more than can be said for David Cameron and the Conservatives and if anyone thinks big business doesn't get taken into consideration when sometimes selecting Conservative candidates then that is also misguided.

[arista]

"what he proposes at the party conference"


Yes and all the sneaked out audio
that he wants hidden from the public.

[arista]

GMB Slashes Labour's Union Funding By £1m

"A leading union is slashing its affiliation funds to Labour
by more than £1m in the wake of the row over party reforms."

Labour is reported to be (Radio 5) in £12million Debt

http://news.sky.com/story/1136890/gmb-slashes-labours-union-funding-by-1m


http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/sep/04/gmb-union-labour-party-funding
Link for Kizzy.


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