Are they taking the piss? [Carol language warning]

[Jack_]

How can you be warned when she was quoting what somebody else said?

CBBC Big Brother :bored:

[smudgie]

How can you be warned when she was quoting what somebody else said?

CBBC Big Brother :bored:

Yeah...they bleeped her out and then quoted the word themselves.

Pathetic really.

[Brother Leon]

Because she still used an inappropriate word? I guarantee if they did not blank it out then some people would of been pissed.

You don't say the word even if quoting someone. Not hard to just say "he said the n bomb". Fair warning.

[Verbal]

A word is a word. She could have told him without using the whole word. Imagine Richard Arnold on Daybreak saying 'On Saturdays Big Brother, Louie said ****' and expect him to get away with it.

Although it was strange that they were seemingly happy for 'big brother' to use it

[jackc1806]

They have been the same since CBB5

Trigger happy and **** scared of Ofcom

[Kizzy]

Why didn't she keep her silly old gob shut?

[Amy Jade]

Because she still used an inappropriate word? I guarantee if they did not blank it out then some people would of been pissed.

You don't say the word even if quoting someone. Not hard to just say "he said the n bomb". Fair warning.
BB used it when quoting Carol when quoting Ron

[Ammi]

..it was a fair warning and she accepted it immediately because she knew she shouldn't have repeated it...

[Vicky.]

Yes, they are taking the piss.

This year, I dont think there has been one deserved warning (that we have seen)

-Jemima black men thing
- Dexter caravan comment
- Gina beanie snatch/assault :laugh:

And now this

Its from one extreme to the other. Last year they did **** all when they should have, and this year I feel the housemates should be afraid to sneeze incase they are warned :joker:

[Jemal]

Wow i could of easily been offended by that and i guarantee other people have been offended. Listen, that lost woman should be using her brain, why the **** couldn't she say he had a race row? Thats all she needed to say.
Fair warning. Get over it.

[Jack_]

Because she still used an inappropriate word? I guarantee if they did not blank it out then some people would of been pissed.

You don't say the word even if quoting someone. Not hard to just say "he said the n bomb". Fair warning.

Nope, when it comes to Big Brother there's nothing I hate more than censorship...no profanity should be bleeped and no nudity should be blurred

I obviously disagree with the use of the word but I wouldn't have complained if it weren't censored, the show is meant to reflect what is ACTUALLY being said, and they don't say 'bleep'

I should just clarify my actual issue is with these 'formal warnings' that they'll hand out for anything nowadays. In the past it was just a reminder not to use such terms and a threat of a formal warning if they were to do it again, that was much fairer and would have been much more applicable here

[Northern Monkey]

Yeah...they bleeped her out and then quoted the word themselves.

Pathetic really.

Exactly.BB just offended more people than Carol due to editing.

[Brother Leon]

BB used it when quoting Carol when quoting Ron

Yeah...and they shouldn't have.

[karezza]

Is that the only word we are persecuted for saying?

:spin:

[Lee.]

Absolutely ridiculous! She didn't exhibit any racist behaviour... She quoted somebody else's comments!

[smudgie]

Yeah...and they shouldn't of.

Exactly, made it all a bit pathetic.

[MTVN]

I don't think a "formal warning" was really necessary, just a reminder to be careful with the words she uses because they are offensive, even if she was just quoting someone

[Ramsay]

who and what they did say

[optimisticcynic]

She was quoting Ron, and even if some were offended, she apologised immediately which was well-handled. However, when is Big Brother going to get a formal warning for doing exactly the same thing whilst warning Carol?

[billy123]

Its still unacceptable language quoting or not.
If "I was quoting someone" was accepted as a reason to say something anybody could get away with saying horrific things.


They bleeped her saying it for her own good so it cant be used out of context by the media or anybody trying to make her look bad. It could be made to look a hell of a lot worse if the context it was used in was cut out of a clip.

[Amy Jade]

Yeah...and they shouldn't have.
So they can use it but a housemate can not?

[MeMyselfAndI]

Not one person has said who, just 'she'
Who said this??

[Livia]

What surprises me is that Carol is supposed to be a media professional.

[Jordan.]

I'm sure the reason they give out warnings so easily is because they know it'll get press attention.

[Brother Leon]

So they can use it but a housemate can not?

Who said that is the case? It's a fair warning and BB shouldn't of used the word either.

Not one person has said who, just 'she'
Who said this??

Carol.

[Amy Jade]

They shouldn't have put Ron in if they are afraid of the word, Carol did not use it in an offensive way at all, she was just explaining what was said.

[Withano]

Big Brother (correctly so) said that they deemed her language unacceptable.

Big Brother didn't say she was racist, they only said how her language was unacceptable and they were correct.

[Northern Monkey]

What surprises me is that Carol is supposed to be a media professional.

A drunken media professional.lol.

[Verbal]

Note to posters: It is 'should have' not 'should of'

[Kizzy]

A drunken old stupid trying too hard to remain 'edgy' media professional..

[Livia]

A drunken media professional.lol.

Of course, how stupid of me LOL...

Note to posters: It is 'should have' not 'should of'

Good luck with that.

[Lord Of The Garden]

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Big Brother now needs to give themselves a warning because they used the N word in the same context as Carol did - ie not saying to 'be' racist but highlighting it as an example of racism

Such is the logic of the warning

*

[Jordan.]

They shouldn't have put Ron in if they are afraid of the word, Carol did not use it in an offensive way at all, she was just explaining what was said.

Agreed. It's quite laughable Carol repeating the wording can be seen as 'offensive' yet putting the man in who famously used it is fine.

[Brother Leon]

They shouldn't have put Ron in if they are afraid of the word, Carol did not use it in an offensive way at all, she was just explaining what was said.

Doesn't matter if it was used in an offensive way or not. Just using the word is unacceptable and would be offensive to loads of people watching.


Oh and are We forgetting someone was kicked out for using it before? Not sure why this whole "BB is so PC now" thing is starting. :laugh:

[fingers]

I'm sure the reason they give out warnings so easily is because they know it'll get press attention.

Exactly, and guess what Paper is trumpeting it for Sunday's edition! If they hadn't broadcast that few seconds out of the 24 hours worth that they had to play with, The Sunday Smut would have had no headline!

[sassysocks]

Is that the only word we are persecuted for saying?

:spin:

What about when people call women slags and *****s - how is that any less offensive - I don't see bb warning anyone about such blatant sexist language.

It's all pc garbage.

[Verbal]

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Big Brother now needs to give themselves a warning because they used the N word in the same context as Carol did - ie not saying to 'be' racist but highlighting it as an example of racism

Such is the logic of the warning

*

What he said

[Kizzy]

What about when people call women slags and *****s - how is that any less offensive - I don't see bb warning anyone about such blatant sexist language.

It's all pc garbage.

She said that aswell give her another one!

[Livia]

I think, even after all this time, people still underestimate the negative connotations of the N word. Strange really... it's not a hard thing to remember.

[Jemal]

This meltdown is pure comedy. You would think someone died.

[Lord Of The Garden]

[QUOTE=Brother Leon;6328133]Doesn't matter if it was used in an offensive way or not. Just using the word is unacceptable and would be offensive to loads of people watching.


So it's ok for Big Brother to say it when they quote someone else's use of the word

But it's not ok for Carol say it when she quote's someone else's use of the word

That makes sense!!

[Amy Jade]

Doesn't matter if it was used in an offensive way or not. Just using the word is unacceptable and would be offensive to loads of people watching.


Oh and are We forgetting someone was kicked out for using it before? Not sure why this whole "BB is so PC now" thing is starting. :laugh:
Somebody is always bloody offended, they need to switch it off

[Livia]

Somebody is always bloody offended, they need to switch it off

... said the white woman.

[Ammi]

..all they really had do is to tell her that she used the same word that he used which had caused so much offence originally without actually quoting the word themselves, they've just made themselves look stupid...

[fingers]

It is all a PC storm in a teacup brewed up by BB to create a headline for one of Desmond's papers.

[Brother Leon]

Somebody is always bloody offended, they need to switch it off

Oh,Lord.

Im just going to ignore this thread I think. It's for the best.

[Ammi]

[QUOTE=Brother Leon;6328133]Doesn't matter if it was used in an offensive way or not. Just using the word is unacceptable and would be offensive to loads of people watching.


So it's ok for Big Brother to say it when they quote someone else's use of the word

But it's not ok for Carol say it when she quote's someone else's use of the word

That makes sense!!

..no it's not ok for them to say it, they've just made themselves look stupid..

[Lord Of The Garden]

[QUOTE=Lord Of The Garden;6328152]

..no it's not ok for them to say it, they've just made themselves look stupid..

I agree

Ok by their standards i meant. Not ok by mine.

[Amy Jade]

... said the white woman.
Am I not allowed an opinion because I'm white? I just find it hypocritical they reward Ron by paying him to go in the house when he's been racist, that's the main reason he's probably been offered the role but then give somebody a warning for simply repeating his words.

[Ammi]

[QUOTE=Ammi;6328164]

I agree

Ok by their standards i meant. Not ok by mine.

..yeah I hope they get pulled up about it...

[Amy Jade]

Oh,Lord.

Im just going to ignore this thread I think. It's for the best.
k bye now

[Drew.]

Am I not allowed an opinion because I'm white? I just find it hypocritical they reward Ron by paying him to go in the house when he's been racist, that's the main reason he's probably been offered the role but then give somebody a warning for simply repeating his words.

reward Ron? my god.. he is not being rewarded.. he's spent the past 10 years or so being called a racist and he's lost his job, hes not been rewarded in any way. You think they've stuck him in there because of what he said? take what he said out of this completely and hes still one of the most famous faces in the house this series.

[Jemal]

... said the white woman.

:worship:

[Lee.]

I think, even after all this time, people still underestimate the negative connotations of the N word. Strange really... it's not a hard thing to remember.

Livia.. I agree it's a completely unacceptable word in any context... But surely quoting somebody can't be taken in the same context?

Ill admit I didn't know who Ron was when he went in... I asked Dave who he was and he said " oh he's that football guy, a racist bastard" . I said "racist? How?" . He replied "he called somebody a ******" both Dave and I are soo against racism/bigotry/any sort of prejudiced ****, so surely his comment to me couldn't have been taken as offensive ?

[Amy Jade]

Livia.. I agree it's a completely unacceptable word in any context... But surely quoting somebody can't be taken in the same context?

Ill admit I didn't know who Ron was when he went in... I asked Dave who he was and he said " oh he's that football guy, a racist bastard" . I said "racist? How?" . He replied "he called somebody a ******" both Dave and I are soo against racism/bigotry/any sort of prejudiced ****, so surely his comment to me couldn't have been taken as offensive ?
Truth talk

[Livia]

Am I not allowed an opinion because I'm white? I just find it hypocritical they reward Ron by paying him to go in the house when he's been racist, that's the main reason he's probably been offered the role but then give somebody a warning for simply repeating his words.

Yes, you're allowed an opinion, even if it is that people should switch off if they don't like it. You said "somebody is always bloody offended". I would point out that they too are allowed an opinion.

[Withano]

Livia.. I agree it's a completely unacceptable word in any context... But surely quoting somebody can't be taken in the same context?

Ill admit I didn't know who Ron was when he went in... I asked Dave who he was and he said " oh he's that football guy, a racist bastard" . I said "racist? How?" . He replied "he called somebody a ******" both Dave and I are soo against racism/bigotry/any sort of prejudiced ****, so surely his comment to me couldn't have been taken as offensive ?

It wasn't taken in the same context. They said that Big Brother deemed the language unacceptable. The language was unacceptable. Big Brother was right to tell he so and give her a chance to apologise.

[Amy Jade]

Yes, you're allowed an opinion, even if it is that people should switch off if they don't like it. You said "somebody is always bloody offended". I would point out that they too are allowed an opinion.
But what if they are white too?

[Withano]

But what if they are white too?

You're literally arguing about the idea that white girls should be allowed the opinion to not find the word ****** offensive. Its odd that you can't understand how stupid that sounds.

[sassysocks]

Am I not allowed an opinion because I'm white? I just find it hypocritical they reward Ron by paying him to go in the house when he's been racist, that's the main reason he's probably been offered the role but then give somebody a warning for simply repeating his words.

The allegations made against Ron were years ago and Carol was attemting to stab him in the back, that's what I found offensive.

[Livia]

Livia.. I agree it's a completely unacceptable word in any context... But surely quoting somebody can't be taken in the same context?

Ill admit I didn't know who Ron was when he went in... I asked Dave who he was and he said " oh he's that football guy, a racist bastard" . I said "racist? How?" . He replied "he called somebody a ******" both Dave and I are soo against racism/bigotry/any sort of prejudiced ****, so surely his comment to me couldn't have been taken as offensive ?

We've had several conversations on this forum about the "N word" and I've yet to see anyone type it out in full. If we can manage to discuss it without putting the actual word out there, you'd think that Carol, a media professional supposedly, would be able to manage it too. She didn't repeat the quote in the privacy of her own home, she said it on Big Brother with cameras on her.

[mr rochester]

Yeah...they bleeped her out and then quoted the word themselves.

Pathetic really.



This...

[fingers]

We've had several conversations on this forum about the "N word" and I've yet to see anyone type it out in full. If we can manage to discuss it without putting the actual word out there, you'd think that Carol, a media professional supposedly, would be able to manage it too. She didn't repeat the quote in the privacy of her own home, she said it on Big Brother with cameras on her.

I typed it out in full in another thread, it hits the Filter!

[Livia]

But what if they are white too?

I don't see that it makes any difference. I'm white and I think the use of the word was wrong and deserved a warning, even if BB stupidly broadcast themselves repeating it back to her.

[Livia]

I typed it out in full in another thread, it hits the Filter!

You can get round the swear filter fingers... don't make me show you..............

[fingers]

I don't see that it makes any difference. I'm white and I think the use of the word was wrong and deserved a warning, even if BB stupidly broadcast themselves repeating it back to her.

They only included that clip so that the Sunday Smut could trumpet its headline for tomorrow!

[James]

The thing about C5 is if they are so worried about viewers being offended why broadcast the conversation in the first place.

It is not like with the BB8 Emily situation where there was a 24-hour live feed.

It looks a lot like they broadcast this type of thing so that the Daily Star can print a screaming headline eg. 'LOOSE WOMEN BB RACISM SHOCK' which they are hoping will generate some public controversy over the show, and then increase the ratings.

[fingers]

You can get round the swear filter fingers... don't make me show you..............

I know that, and I know how as well, I didn't know that THAT word would be filtered! it was a two word phrase and the second word was Brown.....!

[Donovan.]

It's just not an okay word to say, regardless of connotation. I try not to replace it with things like "the n word" or "the n bomb" because then it just trivializes the actual word and replaces it with cutesy nicknames. It's not an okay word to say and she shouldn't have said it. Also, these "they should just switch off if they're offended" comments are just silly. I'm sure that if anybody's that offended they will switch off, you don't have to try and push them there.

I do agree though, that it was silly for them to censor her and then say it themselves. Either don't censor her, or censor yourselves.

[Livia]

I know that, and I know how as well, I didn't know that THAT word would be filtered! it was a two word phrase and the second word was Brown.....!

Frankly I'm shocked that you're shocked.

And what James said is true, they should never have broadcast it in the first place.

[kistar]

We've had several conversations on this forum about the "N word" and I've yet to see anyone type it out in full. If we can manage to discuss it without putting the actual word out there, you'd think that Carol, a media professional supposedly, would be able to manage it too. She didn't repeat the quote in the privacy of her own home, she said it on Big Brother with cameras on her.

If you go onto the other thread about racist remarks Germyle has posted 'shut up n****s' the word in full no stars .....

[fingers]

Frankly I'm shocked that you're shocked.

And what James said is true, they should never have broadcast it in the first place.

I said it in the post above his!

[Livia]

If you go onto the other thread about racist remarks Germyle has posted 'shut up n****s' the word in full no stars .....

Yeah, well... there's always one.

[James]

I said it in the post above his!

Yes, I agreed with that post. :p

[Roy Mars III]

she deserved the warning purely for the fact that she is such an idiot that she actually went and said the word rather than just said something like the 'n word'.

[Livia]

I said it in the post above his!

Yes, I agreed with that post. :p

I agree with you both then. Fingers, you know I only ever skim your posts.....................

[kistar]

Yeah, well... there's always one.

So are you shocked ? it wasn't alluded to the word was put quite clearly , hopefully you will let them know your thoughts on the subject .

[Jack_]

I think, even after all this time, people still underestimate the negative connotations of the N word. Strange really... it's not a hard thing to remember.

I think you of all people on here know my thoughts on words and beliefs like this, so it's certainly not a case of me condoning the use of the word.

I should've made it clear in the OP that my issue is with these endless 'formal warnings' they give out, in the past you would have had to repeat certain actions a few times to receive one, now it seems they'll give one out regardless. Housemates used to be reprimanded and threatened with a formal warning if they were to repeat the same behaviour, and that's exactly what I think would've been sufficient in this circumstance. A reminder that although she was just quoting what had been said and Big Brother understood that, just not to use it again or she'd then receive a formal warning. That's my issue.

[Livia]

So are you shocked ? it wasn't alluded to the word was put quite clearly , hopefully you will let them know your thoughts on the subject .

No, I'm not shocked. I've been on this forum a while. Besides you'd already replied to that particular post hadn't you? I had nothing else to add. Is that okay?

[Livia]

I think you of all people on here know my thoughts on words and beliefs like this, so it's certainly not a case of me condoning the use of the word.

I should've made it clear in the OP that my issue is with these endless 'formal warnings' they give out, in the past you would have had to repeat certain actions a few times to receive one, now it seems they'll give one out regardless. Housemates used to be reprimanded and threatened with a formal warning if they were to repeat the same behaviour, and that's exactly what I think would've been sufficient in this circumstance. A reminder that although she was just quoting what had been said and Big Brother understood that, just not to use it again or she'd then receive a formal warning. That's my issue.

Hello Jack...

I remember them throwing a girl out for quoting a song lyric that contained the word, no malice, no insult intended... a song lyric. But in this case, I think James (okay, and fingers...) hit the nail on the head when they said that BB shouldn't have broadcast it in the first place.

[sassysocks]

So are you shocked ? it wasn't alluded to the word was put quite clearly , hopefully you will let them know your thoughts on the subject .

We don't all have to share your views on that. We all know what word we are talking about - whether someone actually typed it in full is pretty incidental.

[fingers]

Frankly I'm shocked that you're shocked.

And what James said is true, they should never have broadcast it in the first place.

I wasn't shocked, merely surprised and Germyle DIDN'T "type it in full" it was a variation that left nothing to the imagination

The full transcripts are in this thread >http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=236218&page=3

By the way Robertson's the Jam makers also fell foul of 20th Century PC correctness and had to replace a trade mark, as did A.G Barr the manufacturers of Barr's Irn Bru.

[Josy]

It doesn't matter if it was quoted she still used the word when there was no need for it.

[joeysteele]

The warning was over the top and unwarranted.

However Carol would have been better not even bringing the episode up anyway in the first place so may now learn to hold in her comments on others.

[Jemal]

It doesn't matter if it was quoted she still used the word when there was no need for it.

EXACTLY!
All she needed to say was say he had a race row. These lost women always have big Gobs. Lord knows why they don't use their brain. Denise looks like queen compared to carol ffs.

[kistar]

We don't all have to share your views on that. We all know what word we are talking about - whether someone actually typed it in full is pretty incidental.

You don't know my views on that , and if you read the posts Livia said she had never seen the word actually written , also I think the fact someone wrote Shut up ------ is a vital part of this convo seeing as how the word itself prompts such a lot of controversy.

[Withano]

I think you of all people on here know my thoughts on words and beliefs like this, so it's certainly not a case of me condoning the use of the word.

I should've made it clear in the OP that my issue is with these endless 'formal warnings' they give out, in the past you would have had to repeat certain actions a few times to receive one, now it seems they'll give one out regardless. Housemates used to be reprimanded and threatened with a formal warning if they were to repeat the same behaviour, and that's exactly what I think would've been sufficient in this circumstance. A reminder that although she was just quoting what had been said and Big Brother understood that, just not to use it again or she'd then receive a formal warning. That's my issue.

Big Brother only gave her a warning because the language was inappropriate and obviously we both agree that the language she used definitely was. Its not an appropriate word to use in any context on any TV show.

There are several ways she could have explained what Ron did without saying anything close to the n word.

I don't understand yours or anybody elses huff about this whole thing. A girl used a horrible word and was warned not to do it again.

Everybody should be happy.

[KingBilly]

omg did she say nig**r?

[fingers]

They constantly censor Live Feed but decide to BROADCAST a clip that they deem to be racist so that they can have a huge headline in their OWN newspaper about racism in CBB. It beggars belief.

[swinearefine]

I actually cannot believe she got a warning over that. Even knowing what PC bastards BB is, I never would have believed they would do that given the context of simply quoting someone. And it's completely hypocritical because Big Brother then used the word THEMSELVES so their justification that any use of the word at all is inappropriate is total bull****. I switched off immediately and I'm done with this series.

[flamingGalah!]

They have got pathetic with their warnings! Completely stupid when the likes of Connor who should have actually been thrown out of the house, was given money to leave, now they are dishing out warnings like biscuits at a coffee morning! :idc:

I agree with others that this is purely for the sake of Desmond's trashy rag so that they can have Carol on the front page, making her out to be a member of the Ku Klux Klan :rolleyes:

[Kizzy]

I think she did it on purpose, let's hope her career goes the same way as his desperate old mare. (In case anyone's in any doubt I don't like carol mcgiffin)

[Lex]

Why didn't she keep her silly old gob shut?

I've just said this on a different thread , and think that it fits here as well Kizzy!

It's true that I like Ron Atkinson...and am glad to be supporting him [though i'm pleased that he'll probably be evicted on wednesday...because I feel that he is way out of his comfort zone and has already been paid for his appearance anyway]....but my point is that 'BOTH' Carole and Louie were playing a rather obvious game of besmirching a fellow contestants name to the public...and got caught out [well at least one of them did]!...Spence pretending that he didn't know was a pile of crap, taller than he is!!...Everybody has known that Ron Atkinson was going to be on the show for weeks!...Are we supposed to believe that when he found out that he was going to be joining him in the house...that he wouldn't just google big Ron's wiki page and know everything that he wanted to know? [and that goes for all of them!]....Is it a coincidence that Ron was the only housemate that Louie thought "he wouldn't have anything in common with"?...Ha! Ha!...i'll bet that him and Bruce are going to be bezzies! :joker:
And it has been twice that McGiffin has brought Ron's past cock-up to our attention in a matter of 1-2 days...in the DR and to Louie...do you not smell a particularly cut-throat game plan from the daytime dragon?? :whistle:

Cheers.

[Videostar]

Why doesn't Carol have the guts and admit, she doesn't like Ron, and stop re-hashing Ron's comment that he made around 10 years ago.

Carol is the one acting like some sort of moral guardian.

[Lex]

Why doesn't Carol have the guts and admit, she doesn't like Ron, and stop re-hashing Ron's comment that he made around 10 years ago.

Carol is the one acting like some sort of moral guardian.

It's 'the loose women way' Videostar! :joker:

[Videostar]

It's 'the loose women way' Videostar! :joker:

:joker:

[MTVN]

Tbf I think they should be obliged to disclose it every time a housemate gets a warning, it's something the viewers should know. And although people are criticising them now for airing it everyone was slating the producers during BB13 because they didn't show a lot of the warnings, seems they're sorta damned if they do, damned if they don't :shrug:

[Jamie.]

What was said? I missed it because I was collecting my take away LOL.

Miss it all.

[Videostar]

Does Ron know yet that his "racist comment" he made along time ago has been openly discussed by Carol with other people behind his back?

[Lee.]

We've had several conversations on this forum about the "N word" and I've yet to see anyone type it out in full. If we can manage to discuss it without putting the actual word out there, you'd think that Carol, a media professional supposedly, would be able to manage it too. She didn't repeat the quote in the privacy of her own home, she said it on Big Brother with cameras on her.

Lol.. I did type it in full! It's obviously censored by the swear filter.

I honestly can't think if a more offensive word.. But I don't think a hm quoting some ody else can be deemed offensive.

[CaudleHalbard]

Does Ron know yet that his "racist comment" he made along time ago has been openly discussed by Carol with other people behind his back?

I doubt he cares. He's in total denial about it anyway: his view is he did more than any other football manager to advance black players.

[Videostar]

I doubt he cares. He's in total denial about it anyway: his view is he did more than any other football manager to advance black players.

And his view would be correct.

[Turtle]

It doesn't matter if it was quoted she still used the word when there was no need for it.

It does matter though.

There's a difference between using a word and using it in the context of a quote.

Don't you see, the PC brigade have restricted language to the point that context doesn't matter anymore. Even if you say something in context, it will now only be taken out of context, on its own.

[Rob!]

Just watched it..

Errr..

I do find it bizarre that they bleeped Carol using the word and then Big Brother said it uncensored. Maybe there's a rule about how many times they can use it?
I've got an issue with the fact about how private the conversation Carol and Louis were having - she was practically whispering. Carol dealt with it VERY well.

[Turtle]

I wish there was a proper Libertarian movement in the UK, so people could get of the poison teat of the sociopathic nanny state.

[Rob!]

The loose woman are going to be going ape at this on Monday :joker:

[BigBuk]

If she used the N bomb she should be warned, why couldn't she have said "he used the n word" or something along those lines? Fair warning, the words offensive, she should of known better.

[G1dds]

[QUOTE=Brother Leon;6328133]Doesn't matter if it was used in an offensive way or not. Just using the word is unacceptable and would be offensive to loads of people watching.


So it's ok for Big Brother to say it when they quote someone else's use of the word

But it's not ok for Carol say it when she quote's someone else's use of the word

That makes sense!!




^ this.

It was absolutely ridiculous that Carol gets a formal warning for saying the word that BB then repeats :/ A reminder of the rules would have been better considering she was only quoting Ron, as BB did her

Not very well thought out BB :/

[Scream]

I, along with everyone else would understand if Carol directed it at someone but she didn't. It's ridiculous that we live in a world where we are banned from sayings words...if she wasn't saying it to be offensive I don't see what the problem is? She was quoting although maybe she could of done without saying what Ron actually said and could of just said he made a racist remark...in general I think we should be allowed to speak freely as long as we're not being offensive

[Josy]

It does matter though.

There's a difference between using a word and using it in the context of a quote.

Don't you see, the PC brigade have restricted language to the point that context doesn't matter anymore. Even if you say something in context, it will now only be taken out of context, on its own.

It doesn't matter what context it was used in, Carol repeating the word Ron used could have caused offence to viewers hence the warning from BB, they weren't saying Carol was being racist by quoting Ron but there was still no need for her to repeat something that caused offence to a lot of people.

[Marsh.]

Because she still used an inappropriate word? I guarantee if they did not blank it out then some people would of been pissed.

You don't say the word even if quoting someone. Not hard to just say "he said the n bomb". Fair warning.

Big Brother themselves quoted what Carol said.

They essentially warned/punished Carol for doing exactly what BB themselves did.

They can state an offensive word because it's in a reference/quote but Carol was doing exactly the same.

PC gone mad.

[Marsh.]

It doesn't matter what context it was used in, Carol repeating the word Ron used could have caused offence to viewers hence the warning from BB, they weren't saying Carol was being racist by quoting Ron but there was still no need for her to repeat something that caused offence to a lot of people.

How is Carol saying the n word in reference any different to BB themselves quoting it back to Carol?

It's hypocritical and ridiculous.

[erinp5]

Ironic. Carol trying to bad mouth Ron by telling Louie what word he called someone and she used the same word!!!!! It's offensive .YOU DON'T USE THE WORD.

[BeloTheBelt]

Ok, my 2 pennyworth is that BB is hypocritical for warning Carol for using the N word and then broadcasting the full word themselves.
I also think people should maybe research Ron and what he said to be labelled a racist in the first place. Not defending him but It was a throwaway comment about a black footballer and he was trying to say that he needs to work really really hard for his team who were struggling in a match Ron was commentating on.his choice of words was unfortunate and foolish and I dont believe meant to be racist but merely the way old school people used to speak in the early 1970s (eg til death us do part), along the lines of "he needs to work like a N..... ". Its actually a compliment to black people suggesting that they work harder than other coloured skinned people.its just that the term used is not acceptable anymore as black people take offence to it...well, unless they call each other it, then its ok, apparantly.
Sorry if this offends anyone, i hope not, just trying to clarify

[Ammi]

Ok, my 2 pennyworth is that BB is hypocritical for warning Carol for using the N word and then broadcasting the full word themselves.
I also think people should maybe research Ron and what he said to be labelled a racist in the first place. Not defending him but It was a throwaway comment about a black footballer and he was trying to say that he needs to work really really hard for his team who were struggling in a match Ron was commentating on.his choice of words was unfortunate and foolish and I dont believe meant to be racist but merely the way old school people used to speak in the early 1970s (eg til death us do part), along the lines of "he needs to work like a N..... ". Its actually a compliment to black people suggesting that they work harder than other coloured skinned people.its just that the term used is not acceptable anymore as black people take offence to it...well, unless they call each other it, then its ok, apparantly.
Sorry if this offends anyone, i hope not, just trying to clarify

..I agree with you that it was completely hypocritical and wrong of BB to then repeat the word themselves when they had just warned Carol for relating the same thing..but it's not an 'old school' word, it was never and acceptable word and Till Death Do Us Part isn't the best analogy because Alf Garnett was portrayed as a complete racist and bigot...but I do agree that Ron probably used the word out of complete annoyance and frustration at the time and nothing else..

[camertone]

it has happened before, in bb8, emily also quoted the n word that somebody else used and then she was removed from the house immediately.

[fingers]

BB has 24 hours of House activities to create the 40 odd minutes of HLs . they chose to broadcast THAT solely so that they could create another RACISM IN BB headline in today's Sunday Scum.

[Lord Of The Garden]

Ironic. Carol trying to bad mouth Ron by telling Louie what word he called someone and she used the same word!!!!! It's offensive .YOU DON'T USE THE WORD.

Words by themselves are not a problem - it's the INTENTION behind them that makes all the the difference.

Calling someone a N- and meaning it is 100% seriously offensive, it doesn't get much worse.

But yesterday Carol used the word when quoting someone else. And Big Brother did exactly the same thing! Neither of them was 'being' racist, just quoting someone else's use of the word. But Carol got a warning for it. Will Big Brother now follow it's own logic and give itself the same warning it gave Carol ?!

How about all court cases that deal with racist abuse? Should the judge, police and prosecution all receive warnings every time they quote other people's use of the word?

Should we burn every hip hop album, every blaxploitation comedy, every novel that uses the word even when they are using it as a way of mocking and thereby exposing and disarming actual racism?

[muchadoaboutnothing]

Carol likes her drink (a bit like the other loose woman - Denese) and unfortunately can't control her emotions or actions. If Carol keeps drinking like it is tap water it will be the ruin of her (having said that Denese did go on to win so the drinking didn't do her any harm).

[Jesus.]

it has happened before, in bb8, emily also quoted the n word that somebody else used and then she was removed from the house immediately.

Emily didn't quote anyone. She said to Charlie "push it out, my ni**er".

[fingers]

Sunday Scum Headline:
Carol McGiffin gets N-word warning

MOUTHY TV star Carol McGiffin plunged Celebrity Big Brother into a race row just 24 hours after entering the house.

"Plunged into a race row"!!! :joker::joker::joker:

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/tv/big-brother/334496/Carol-McGiffin-gets-N-word-warning

[CaudleHalbard]

Utterly ridiculous. It is one thing quoting someone and another actually using an offensive word to a person or about a person.

Anyway BB should give itself a formal warning for quoting Carol!!

[Lex]

BB has 24 hours of House activities to create the 40 odd minutes of HLs . they chose to broadcast THAT solely so that they could create another RACISM IN BB headline in today's Sunday Scum.

Carol McGiffin gets N-word warning
MOUTHY TV star Carol McGiffin plunged Celebrity Big Brother into a race row just 24 hours after entering the house. ....



http://www.dailystar.co.uk/tv/big-brother/334496/Carol-McGiffin-gets-N-word-warning

Correct!..good call, but...hardly the storm they hoped for though Fingers! :rolleyes:

[CaudleHalbard]

Hardly a 'race row' when it was just one housemate being told off by BB in the privacy of the diary room!

[fingers]

Hardly "Plunged into a Race Row" was it?

[Samm]

I blame it on *******king Ofcom

[Northern Monkey]

All they had to do was 'bleep' Carol out and crack on with the show and nobody would have batted an eyelid.BB made a huge issue of it and even said the dreaded word uncensored.BB wanted this for ratings.

[tricky]

I thought Carol was wrong to 'spill the beans' on Ron. I would have thought the idea of him being on the show is to see if he has learnt and changed.
Actually using such filthy language in Carol's context is nothing compared to actual racism. Clever racists never use the 'N' word.

[Lord Of The Garden]

All they had to do was 'bleep' Carol out and crack on with the show and nobody would have batted an eyelid.BB made a huge issue of it and even said the dreaded word uncensored.BB wanted this for ratings.

Makes a lot of sense there, eyeball

[Northern Monkey]

Makes a lot of sense there, eyeball

I have my moments :blush:

[MachoPoodle]

If she used the N bomb she should be warned, why couldn't she have said "he used the n word" or something along those lines? Fair warning, the words offensive, she should of known better.

That's what I was thinking. BB should've done the same though, when reprimanding her in the diary room.

As for what people can or can't say, nothing is stopping anyone to say whatever, on TV or elsewhere. But to expect no backlash when being offensive, that's something else entirely.

[joeysteele]

In my view, she was muck stirring, she had no reason to go into detail as to why and how things turned so badly for Ron. all she had to say was there was some fuss over a comment he made about someone else.

It is for Ron to address the issue only if he wants to, not for Carol to get all pious and start relaying to others the story behind it all.
A proper busybody she is and on an aptly named programme as to 'loose women' becasue she can be very loose with her tongue about other people.

She maybe needed pulling up as to the conversation but I still do agree that the warning was out of order though and to a point hypocritical as to BB too.

[Lord Of The Garden]

In my view, she was muck stirring, she had no reason to go into detail as to why and how things turned so badly for Ron. all she had to say was there was some fuss over a comment he made about someone else.

It is for Ron to address the issue only if he wants to, not for Carol to get all pious and start relaying to others the story behind it all.
A proper busybody she is and on an aptly named programme as to 'loose women' becasue she can be very loose with her tongue about other people.

She maybe needed pulling up as to the conversation but I still do agree that the warning was out of order though and to a point hypocritical as to BB too.

Totally agree.

It's a sensitive issue and Carol went steaming in with her gossip boots on.

I can't imagine Ron stirring, taking someone aside and dishing the dirt on something unpleasant from Carol's past like that.

[Jesus.]

I wish there was a proper Libertarian movement in the UK, so people could get of the poison teat of the sociopathic nanny state.

Libertarianism is a disastrous system when dealing with politics. Many of us are social libertarians in this country, so what kind of movement does it need? Crazy Ron Paul types?

[erinp5]

I had no idea she has already quit the loose women show
She became a household name thanks to her daily appearances on Loose Women, but after more than a decade on the panel Carol McGiffin has quit the show for pastures new.


The 53-year-old TV personality was the longest serving member on the panel, but admits she won’t be returning to the long-running ITV show when the new series kicks off later this year.


Speaking to the Sunday People, she said: ‘I’m sure some of you will rejoice but those who might not be so pleased deserve some sort of explanation


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2401669/Carol-McGiffin-quits-day-job-Loose-Women-years.html#ixzz2czQNsjRH
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[smudgie]

I had no idea she has already quit the loose women show
She became a household name thanks to her daily appearances on Loose Women, but after more than a decade on the panel Carol McGiffin has quit the show for pastures new.


The 53-year-old TV personality was the longest serving member on the panel, but admits she won’t be returning to the long-running ITV show when the new series kicks off later this year.


Speaking to the Sunday People, she said: ‘I’m sure some of you will rejoice but those who might not be so pleased deserve some sort of explanation


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2401669/Carol-McGiffin-quits-day-job-Loose-Women-years.html#ixzz2czQNsjRH
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Yeah, all a bit weird, they always have a send off when one of them leave yet not one mention of it when they broke up for the summer holidays.:conf:

[aj2463]

Yes, they are taking the piss.

This year, I dont think there has been one deserved warning (that we have seen)

-Jemima black men thing
- Dexter caravan comment
- Gina beanie snatch/assault :laugh:

And now this

Its from one extreme to the other. Last year they did **** all when they should have, and this year I feel the housemates should be afraid to sneeze incase they are warned :joker:

Agree!

[Shaun]

I'm just watching it now - more amazed that the Big Brother voice actually said it whilst condemning her for doing the same. Staggering cluelessness.

[reece(:]

Good god, this "controversy" is even worse than the Jemima one, it's really pathetic. "Race row"? ... god they'll do anything for a story and I don't even like Carol either.