Another IDIOTIC Formal Warning!

[fingers]

For Big Ron!!!!!!!!!

[jackc1806]

That one was justified

[DanaC]

I think that one was fair enough.

Equating looking like someone in a turban or arab style headscarf with being a bomber is wrong.

[RichardG]

I didn't even think of it at the time he said the comment, but after Big Brother explained it I definitely see why it could be seen as offensive. :joker:

[fingers]

FFS is this Forum PC MAD?

[reece(:]

FFS is this Forum PC MAD?

No.. we're not racists. :rolleyes:

[aman201]

I love Big Ron, but definitely justified.

[lime]

And I was starting to warm to him

[Brother Leon]

Jesus. Both warnings were reasonable and fair.

[Verbal]

FFS is this Forum PC MAD?

You havent learnt that yet? Its like a WI meeting on here at the best of times

[Videostar]

I agree OP...it looks like no jokes are allowed anymore.

[smudgie]

It was very very stupid of him.

[reece(:]

I agree OP...it looks like no jokes are allowed anymore.
Racist jokes are unacceptable.

[Videostar]

No.. we're not racists. :rolleyes:

Don't be silly...theres a huge difference between not being PC and being a racist.

Big Ron just isn't PC.

[Jake.]

It was justified. They haven't kicked him out, just given him a warning about how it would be offensive.

[smeagol]

he is so stupid. you dont make those jokes on tv lol. the warning was right .

[Roy Mars III]

what was said?

[Videostar]

Racist jokes are unacceptable.

It wasn't racist....it was not PC.

If jokes were all PC then humour would have died.

[reece(:]

what was said?
He made a joke about people with turbans hiding bombs in them.

[Jake.]

It wasn't racist....it was not PC.

If jokes were all PC then humour would have died.

Tell me how is wasn't racist

[fingers]

He made a joke about people with turbans hiding bombs in them.

That is quite untrue and is twisting his actual words.

[RichardG]

It definitely was quite offensive

[Gstar]

That warning was deserved tbf

[SSL2012]

Complete over-reaction...typical example of everything that's going wrong with society over here.

You say a joke or anything deemed slightly contraversial and boom your penalised for it. Yet it's okay for other's to take the piss and have slurs against us....

The average muslim would laugh and probably find it funny.

[reece(:]

That is quite untrue and is twisting his actual words.
Well it's not.... BB producers agree.

[fingers]

Well it's not.... BB producers agree.

He did NOT say "View Post
He made a joke about people with turbans hiding bombs in them"

[reece(:]

He did NOT say "View Post
He made a joke about people with turbans hiding bombs in them"
That IS what happened and what he was rightfully warned for.. how can it be made up if he was caught up for it.

[fingers]

That IS what happened and what he was rightfully warned for.. how can it be made up if he was caught up for it.
Did you actually watch the video? It appears not!

[CaudleHalbard]

The average muslim would laugh and probably find it funny.

I doubt it. Would being equated with a genocidal mass murder murderer like the (Christian) Adolf Hitler be found amusing by a Christian?

[reece(:]

Did you actually watch the video? It appears not!
Obviously you didn't if you think he was not warned for making that remark... deary.

[chuff me dizzy]

I am totally disgusted ,really taking the pee now

[sassysocks]

[QUOTE=reece(:;6331247]Racist jokes are unacceptable.[/QUOTE

How conformist of you.

[Vicky.]

That one was actually justified IMO.

[Ammi]

..it was totally justified as was the one yesterday as well..the only thing that's still stupid is that BB were guilty themselves last night as well..

[chuff me dizzy]

FFS is this Forum PC MAD?

Fingers my friend ,yes it is

[joeysteele]

I can see why he got a warning for it,even more so after Carol's warning last night.
I actually hadn't taken it the way it was pointed out,I thought at first he meant it some other way but then I saw why,once it was pointed out why he would get a warning even more so.

Doesn't change my opinion of him one bit, I still really like him but you do have to be really careful and more to the point very sensitive as to what you say and how you say it on TV.
I am not saying that is right too but it is a fact that you have to be, or you can find yourself pilloried and in deep trouble.

[Jack_]

That one was actually justifiable because he said it and it wasn't a quote, though once again I wish they'd reprimand them rather than just immediately giving them a 'formal warning'. They never used to do that and it's so OTT

[Lord Of The Garden]

*

It was a badly judged joke but i don't think there was any hatred in it

There is much more hatred in the BB eviction crowd towards individuals like Hazel, Courtney etc

But in today's society, racial jokes are considered to be worse than non-racial hatred towards individuals

Ron should know that by now and he should and have kept quiet

[Razor]

Defo a racist comment.

[Vicky.]

You would think Ron especially would be minding his Ps and Qs when it comes to stuff like this.

[DigitalSid]

It was justified, he basically suggested headscarf wearers are commonly terrorists.

[MrWong]

The warning was totally justified.

[reece(:]

[QUOTE=reece(:;6331247]Racist jokes are unacceptable.[/QUOTE

How conformist of you.
And what's that supposed to mean? Instead of being so god damn offensive try and argue your points.

[sassysocks]

I can see why he got a warning for it,even more so after Carol's warning last night.
I actually hadn't taken it the way it was pointed out,I thought at first he meant it some other way but then I saw why,once it was pointed out why he would get a warning even more so.

Doesn't change my opinion of him one bit, I still really like him but you do have to be really careful and more to the point very sensitive as to what you say and how you say it on TV.
I am not saying that is right too but it is a fact that you have to be, or you can find yourself pilloried and in deep trouble.

I agree. I think too many on here lack any empathy or understanding of how things were for his generation and how it must be hard for a man of his age to have to watch every single word he says for fear of it offending someone - which is actually pretty AGEIST. I feel for the poor man.

It's the intention that counts, and he clearly didn't intend to offend anyone. Some are simply so easily 'offended' the rest of us are being forced to jump to their tune by the PC mad scaredy cats called BB. Bunch of plebs.

[CaudleHalbard]

You would think Ron especially would be minding his Ps and Qs when it comes to stuff like this.

It was breathtaking. One minute he's telling Mario he still does football punditry for some digital channels.... including Middle Eastern ones.

Then he makes an anti-Islamic comment. He seems set on destroying what little remains of his TV career.

[Roy Mars III]

lol Ron should have a bit more tact especially with his history. In terms of previous warnings it fits the bill for one, but the joke is no biggie

[Ammi]

*

It was a badly judged joke but i don't think there was any hatred in it

There is much more hatred in the BB eviction crowd towards individuals like Hazel, Courtney etc

But in today's society, racial jokes are considered to be worse than non-racial hatred towards individuals

Ron should know that by now and he should and have kept quiet

..there was prejudice in it to associate someone wearing a turban with bombs..

[chuff me dizzy]

It was justified, he basically suggested headscarf wearers are commonly terrorists.

No he did not, please watch it without pc detector turned up loud

[chuff me dizzy]

..there was prejudice in it to associate someone wearing a turban with bombs..

She did NOT have a turban on, she had a cardigan around her head like a headscarf

[Verbal]

It was breathtaking. One minute he's telling Mario he still does football punditry for some digital channels.... including Middle Eastern ones.

Then he makes an anti-Islamic comment. He seems set on destroying what little remains of his TV career.

Seriously? Honest to god the fake outrage and ability to get offended on behalf of other sections of society, on here is so damn annoying.

[Roy Mars III]

it was a joke?

We can debate what is right and wrong in humor all day long but it was not like he was saying it as a statement of fact

[Ammi]

I agree. I think too many on here lack any empathy or understanding of how things were for his generation and how it must be hard for a man of his age to have to watch every single word he says for fear of it offending someone - which is actually pretty AGEIST. I feel for the poor man.

It's the intention that counts, and he clearly didn't intend to offend anyone. Some are simply so easily 'offended' the rest of us are being forced to jump to their tune by the PC mad scaredy cats called BB. Bunch of plebs.

...Ron's a grown man, he's had 10 years to reflect about what he said and he's still referring to race...if his age comes into it, it's that he's old enough to not be so stupid...

[MrWong]

She did NOT have a turban on, she had a cardigan around her head like a headscarf

He linked the head scarf to terrorism.

[joeysteele]

it was a joke?

We can debate what is right and wrong in humor all day long but it was not like he was saying it as a statement of fact

I agree.

[Lord Of The Garden]

*

I don't mind people making racial jokes about my race.

If it's funny, i'll laugh

If it's not, i won't . Simple as that.

It's not something that would bother me personally.

I wish everyone saw it that way.

[chuff me dizzy]

He linked the head scarf to terrorism.

So is Hilda Ogden ,or the Queen, both headscarf wearers , terrorists ? get a grip

[Verbal]

Do any of you ever go out into the real world, ever? The things that people conveniently get offended over on here is just incredible. I swear, most of you would have a breakdown if you spent a day working on a building site.

[sassysocks]

[QUOTE=sassysocks;6331380]
And what's that supposed to mean? Instead of being so god damn offensive try and argue your points.

You are pretty god damn offensive yourself with your condemnation of an elderly man who simply can't think quickly enough at his age. You may agree with all this pc gumph - doesn't mean the rest of us have to.

[sassysocks]

*

I don't mind people making racial jokes about my race.

If it's funny, i'll laugh

If it's not, i won't . Simple as that.

It's not something that would bother me personally.

I wish everyone saw it that way.

Well said, the voice of reason.

[Marsh.]

He made a joke about people with turbans hiding bombs in them.

No. He equated being from the Middle East with being a bomber. Not necessarily hiding them in the turban. Pedantic but yeah...

[CaudleHalbard]

Do any of you ever go out into the real world, ever? The things that people conveniently get offended over on here is just incredible. I swear, most of you would have a breakdown if you spent a day working on a building site.

It is not a building site, it is national television.

That is why it is unacceptable. What people do in the privacy of their homes is their business. The BB house is not a private home.

[MrWong]

So is Hilda Ogden ,or the Queen, both headscarf wearers , terrorists ? get a grip

Oh my bad. He was obviously referring to those infamous bombing grannies.

[fingers]

I refuse to take any further part in this.

[reece(:]

[QUOTE=reece(:;6331432]

You are pretty god damn offensive yourself with your condemnation of an elderly man who simply can't think quickly enough at his age. You may agree with all this pc gumph - doesn't mean the rest of us have to.
So now this is being turned on me because I found the remark quite offensive? Give me a break. It has nothing to do with age, he said something offensive and was dealt with accordingly. Get a grip with your childish blame tactics.

[chuff me dizzy]

[QUOTE=reece(:;6331432]

You are pretty god damn offensive yourself with your condemnation of an elderly man who simply can't think quickly enough at his age. You may agree with all this pc gumph - doesn't mean the rest of us have to.

Well said Sassy

[Marsh.]

Tbh, if BB warned him because of "potential offence caused to the viewing public" they could have just edited it out and not shown it at all. It's not like we'd notice. :laugh:

[reece(:]

No. He equated being from the Middle East with being a bomber. Not necessarily hiding them in the turban. Pedantic but yeah...

Well there was reference to what Danielle was wearing and bombs, which is what I'm getting at and is why he was warned.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

wonder what his next gaff will be. Maybe it can be the theme for this big brother.

[sassysocks]

...Ron's a grown man, he's had 10 years to reflect about what he said and he's still referring to race...if his age comes into it, it's that he's old enough to not be so stupid...

Most people of his age don't think as quickly as they used to and also forget things - you show no understanding of that. He meant no harm - that's what counts. Anything for a drama.

[Verbal]

It is not a building site, it is national television.

That is why it is unacceptable. What people do in the privacy of their homes is their business. The BB house is not a private home.

Dear Daily Mail...


I'm out, enjoy your fake outrage.

Just an idea - ask an actual Muslim if they were offended. They would just laugh at you. They would probably find people getting offended on their behalf to be more offensive.

[Marsh.]

So is Hilda Ogden ,or the Queen, both headscarf wearers , terrorists ? get a grip

Grannies have nothing to do with it.

Unless I've missed all those suicidal bomber grannies in their curlers in the news? :conf:

[reece(:]

What I find highly offensive is that people are turning against the people who were offended by the racial remark and marking them as ageists and offensive themselves. This forum can be incredibly immature sometimes. http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z448/reeecerawwr/2095c354.gif

[chuff me dizzy]

I refuse to take any further part in this.

Me too...leave them to it

[reece(:]

Most people of his age don't think as quickly as they used to and also forget things - you show no understanding of that. He meant no harm - that's what counts. Anything for a drama.
That's a very baseless statement unless Ron is confirmed as having dementia? I think not.

[Marsh.]

Dear Daily Mail...


I'm out, enjoy your fake outrage.

Just an idea - ask an actual Muslim if they were offended. They would just laugh at you. They would probably find people getting offended on their behalf to be more offensive.

Ask a Muslim or anyone else from the Middle East are they hiding a bomb under their clothing.

Come back and let us know what the response was.

[Lord Of The Garden]

Well said, the voice of reason.

Ha. Thank you. Glad i am not alone!

[Verbal]

Ask a Muslim or anyone else from the Middle East are they hiding a bomb under their clothing.

Come back and let us know what the response was.

Yea cos thats the same isnt it? Honestly. People on here could cause an argument in an airing cupboard.

Getting offended on behalf of other people is offensive in itself. You're all just cheapening the real issues so that you can use big words and get all haughty over something on the internet.

[CaudleHalbard]

That's a very baseless statement unless Ron is confirmed as having dementia? I think not.

I don't for a moment think Ron has dementia.

He still does football commentating for digital channels, which suggests to me he has his wits about him.

[sassysocks]

[QUOTE=sassysocks;6331502]
So now this is being turned on me because I found the remark quite offensive? Give me a break. It has nothing to do with age, he said something offensive and was dealt with accordingly. Get a grip with your childish blame tactics.

Age has a lot to do with it - and your lack of understanding of that is what I find childish.

[Marsh.]

Most people of his age don't think as quickly as they used to and also forget things - you show no understanding of that. He meant no harm - that's what counts. Anything for a drama.

Aww, should we have an age barrier say... 60 and over? where people aren't held accountable for their own actions, words and choices because they're too old? :joker:

:rolleyes: What a ridiculous statement.

[Ammi]

Most people of his age don't think as quickly as they used to and also forget things - you show no understanding of that. He meant no harm - that's what counts. Anything for a drama.

..now you're being offensive, there are many, many people of Ron's age who never make racial remarks, I'm not that far removed from his 'era' myself..it isn't about 'drama', he knows himself that what he said was wrong, but BB were completely right to give him a warning...

[Withano]

Both warnings were justified. I'm glad that it looks like a lot of people are disagreeing with the OP.

[Roy Mars III]

What I find highly offensive is that people are turning against the people who were offended by the racial remark and marking them as ageists and offensive themselves. This forum can be incredibly immature sometimes. http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z448/reeecerawwr/2095c354.gif

it wasn't a remark, it was a joke

[reece(:]

[QUOTE=reece(:;6331525]

Age has a lot to do with it - and your lack of understanding of that is what I find childish.
Age has NOTHING to do with it, just grasping at straws trying to think of liable excuses.

[CaudleHalbard]

We have couple of cabinet ministers aged 70+.... involved in making decisions which can affect our everyday lives.

Many judges are 70+ as well.

[reece(:]

it wasn't a remark, it was a joke
Oh, I guess that makes it totally fine then. No harm done. http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z448/reeecerawwr/shakeno.gif

[sassysocks]

I don't for a moment think Ron has dementia.

He still does football commentating for digital channels, which suggests to me he has his wits about him.

A weaker memory that comes with age is not the same as dementia. He can have one without the other.

[Marsh.]

Yea cos thats the same isnt it? Honestly. People on here could cause an argument in an airing cupboard.

Getting offended on behalf of other people is offensive in itself. You're all just cheapening the real issues so that you can use big words and get all haughty over something on the internet.

I'm not getting offended on anyone's behalf, I'm responding to your claim that Muslims wouldn't be offended by the connotation that their race/religion/clothing makes them a terrorist.

YOU commented about the reaction of Muslims to such a joke and I responded.

[Roy Mars III]

Oh, I guess that makes it totally fine then. No harm done. http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z448/reeecerawwr/shakeno.gif

depends on your philosophy on humor, I guess. Some people feel like nothing in comedy should be off limits, some believe differently.

[reece(:]

A weaker memory that comes with age is not the same as dementia. He can have one without the other.
What a load of rubbish, that's the most ageist comment in the thread tbh.

[sassysocks]

We have couple of cabinet ministers aged 70+.... involved in making decisions which can affect our everyday lives.

Many judges are 70+ as well.

A whole different environment.

[Verbal]

I'm not getting offended on anyone's behalf, I'm responding to your claim that Muslims wouldn't be offended by the connotation that their race/religion/clothing makes them a terrorist.

And what makes you a spokesperson for the Muslim community? Getting offended on their behalf is exactly what you're doing.

[reece(:]

A whole different environment.
So your memory depends on where you're located.. give me a break.

[CaudleHalbard]

BB/C5 don't want any complaints to Ofcom.

A warning was inevitable. End of.

[Marsh.]

And what makes you a spokesperson for the Muslim community? Getting offended on their behalf is exactly what you're doing.

Find me a post where I've been offended on anyone's behalf.

Find me a post where I claimed to be the spokesperson for the Muslim community.

YOU brought up a possible reaction from Muslims, I responded to it.

[Ammi]

And what makes you a spokesperson for the Muslim community? Getting offended on their behalf is exactly what you're doing.

..no one is being a 'spokesperson'..people are pointing out that it was a racst joke, which it was..Ron himself realised that and they were right to pull him up on it and give him a warning...

[sassysocks]

What a load of rubbish, that's the most ageist comment in the thread tbh.

Really. What do you know about it? It is a medical fact that the memory of most fifty year olds is not what is was in their 20's. By the age of 70 - that is even more so for most.

He was just making conversation and before he knew it was jumped on for saying something allegedly offensive - which clearly came as quite a shock to him.

[reece(:]

You're acting as if the bloke has dementia, it's total ludicrous. Allegedly offensive? IT WAS OFFENSIVE can you not grasp why he was warned?

[DanaC]

..no one is being a 'spokesperson'..people are pointing out that it was a racst joke, which it was..Ron himself realised that and they were right to pull him up on it and give him a warning...

If anything I think the people claiming that muslims wouldn't be offended by that joke are trying to act as spokespeople.

[Marsh.]

Really. What do you know about it? It is a medical fact that the memory of most fifty year olds is not what is was in their 20's. By the age of 70 - that is even more so for most.

He was just making conversation and before he knew it was jumped on for saying something allegedly offensive - which clearly came as quite a shock to him.

A memory worse than you had in your 20s does not equate to invalid who can't think about what they're saying.

If his brain can associate a jumper on someone's head with a head scarf and formulate a joke about terrorists...

[CaudleHalbard]

He said something which might have offended a viewer or viewers.

BB is ultra sensitive after the Shilpa Shetty farrago.

I would have been amazed if Ron had not got a warning.

[sassysocks]

So your memory depends on where you're located.. give me a break.

Yes it does. He was in a stressful environment unfamiliar to him - a known cause and effect scenario. Memory can be very much affected by stress.

[Verbal]

You can't win on this site its just wearing. It should be called what-can-we-be-offended-about-today.com

[reece(:]

Yes it does. He was in a stressful environment unfamiliar to him - a known cause and effect scenario. Memory can be very much affected by stress.
:crazy:
He wasn't stressed whatsoever, he's been calm and collected the whole time..
http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4072/4327190104_3c34432d1d_z.jpg

[Ammi]

He said something which might have offended a viewer or viewers.

BB is ultra sensitive after the Shilpa Shetty farrago.

I would have been amazed if Ron had not got a warning.

..also because they gave Carol a warning yesterday for relating something but saying the word..(even though they said it themselves...that part was wrong..)...I actually still don't think Ron is a racist as such, I think he's more of an idiot but the joke was racist and the warning was completely justified ...

[Ammi]

Yes it does. He was in a stressful environment unfamiliar to him - a known cause and effect scenario. Memory can be very much affected by stress.

...so is it that he's old..his environment..stress of the BB house..?...I actually don't think he is racist as such but the joke was and I he hasn't disputed it..?...he was very silly, people can still like him, it doesn't make him a bad person or take away from anything positive in him but he did make a racist joke and that can't be denied...

[sassysocks]

[QUOTE=sassysocks;6331566]
Age has NOTHING to do with it, just grasping at straws trying to think of liable excuses.

If you say so, but you clearly have no understanding of such things. Enjoy your little coccoon - one day you will understand.

[reece(:]

[QUOTE=reece(:;6331577]

If you say so, but you clearly have no understanding of such things. Enjoy your little coccoon - one day you will understand.
Keep making silly excuses up:xyxwave:

[erinp5]

I found it a very strange and stupid response to someone covering their head .

[Verbal]

Whilst i'm at it I would like to point out how the pathetic attitude on here and how infractions are dealt out are ridiculous.

I've just been infracted for this post:

Quote:
"Yea cos thats the same isnt it? Honestly. People on here could cause an argument in an airing cupboard.

Getting offended on behalf of other people is offensive in itself. You're all just cheapening the real issues so that you can use big words and get all haughty over something on the internet. "

Now, if someone was to call someone a dirty n****r they would receive the same warning.

Do you not see the problem with this?

Ban me, I don't ****ing care anymore. This place is an absolute joke.

[Ammi]

[QUOTE=reece(:;6331577]

If you say so, but you clearly have no understanding of such things. Enjoy your little coccoon - one day you will understand.

..tbh I think it's Ron that needs to understand otherwise he's obviously keeping on saying these stupid things which aren't helping him at all..

[megamaja40]

Jeez are they for real?..... Why not give charlotte a warning about the crude stuff she's saying?

[Marsh.]

Yes it does. He was in a stressful environment unfamiliar to him - a known cause and effect scenario. Memory can be very much affected by stress.

:joker:

Yeah, I get stressed when I'm surrounded by people I don't know. So my mind works fine but strangely forgets that homophobia is offensive and I start hurling abuse at gay people. It's not my fault, I forgot.

[reece(:]

Jeez are they for real?..... Why not give charlotte a warning about the crude stuff she's saying?
Because racism is a totally different, more serious subject to crudeness.

[DanaC]

Don't be silly...theres a huge difference between not being PC and being a racist.

Big Ron just isn't PC.

That's like the club comedians who warn the audience that the next joke is going to be 'a bit blue' and then tell a p*ki joke. Hilarious. All in good humour, bit naughty, not for the kiddies, but only having a laugh. No harm done. Nothing meant by it.

Except there is harm done. It all adds to the general anti-muslim noise in our society.

And maybe some 'ordinary muslims' might laugh and take no offence. Some others might laugh along and not show they're stung by it. Because it's all just banter right?

It's all banter 'til some ****wit petrol bombs a mosque, or spraypaints 'Al Qaeda' on a muslim family's front door. It's all banter til members of your community are getting stopped and searched on a semi-regular basis because they look a bit suspicious in this climate of Islamaphobia.

Does it make him a bad man? No. Does it warrant some kind of censure? Absolutely.

And I do wish people would stop wheeling out the age thing. He's quick thinking enough to come up with snappy comments and one liners. It is rather unfortunate that some of his humour seems founded in racial stereotypes.

[sassysocks]

...so is it that he's old..his environment..stress of the BB house..?...I actually don't think he is racist as such but the joke was and I he hasn't disputed it..?...he was very silly, people can still like him, it doesn't make him a bad person or take away from anything positive in him but he did make a racist joke and that can't be denied...

Both. He said himself - that once it was pointed out to him, he could see their point, but at the time it hadn't occurred to him.

And that was likely to be partly because of the attitudes he grew up with typical of his generation and partly to do with not being able to think quickly enough about every word he says before saying it.

[Dionkan]

Couldn't believe they gave him a warning for it.
Channel 5 are losing the plot.
And no in not a racist

[sassysocks]

Because racism is a totally different, more serious subject to crudeness.

But the judgements made about her because of it is sexism which is just as serious as racism - but I don't see people get hot under the collar about that.

[DanaC]

But the judgements made about her because of it is sexism which is just as serious as racism - but I don't see people get hot under the collar about that.

There are quite a few people getting 'hot under the collar' about that. Just not in this thread.

It is possible to be bothered about both at the same time.

[Jamie.]

I was gob smacked when he said it. It was racist no matter what way you look at it, it stereotyped Muslims (or religions that wear head scarves) to be a terrorist.

It was definitely justified.

[reece(:]

But the judgements made about her because of it is sexism which is just as serious as racism - but I don't see people get hot under the collar about that.
I'm waiting for another age card.... Ron old and innocent, Charlotte young and guilty etc. You can never win around here.

[MrWong]

Jeez are they for real?..... Why not give charlotte a warning about the crude stuff she's saying?

You think being crude is the same as offensively stereotyping muslims?

[Ammi]

Both. He said himself - that once it was pointed out to him, he could see their point, but at the time it hadn't occurred to him.

And that was likely to be partly because of the attitudes he grew up with typical of his generation and partly to do with not being able to think quickly enough about every word he says before saying it.

..I definitely believe he doesn't think about what he's saying but that doesn't mean that he didn't deserve a warning for it or that we should just say, awww, no worries, he's just a bit old, BB shouldn't give him a warning..there are lots of older people, most older people who don't make any reference to race.... he's not in that era now, he's perfectly able to function successfully in this era in every other way..except that he doesn't think enough about what he says...

[Verbal]

PC brigade, prepare to have a breakdown

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[MrWong]

That's like the club comedians who warn the audience that the next joke is going to be 'a bit blue' and then tell a p*ki joke. Hilarious. All in good humour, bit naughty, not for the kiddies, but only having a laugh. No harm done. Nothing meant by it.

Except there is harm done. It all adds to the general anti-muslim noise in our society.

And maybe some 'ordinary muslims' might laugh and take no offence. Some others might laugh along and not show they're stung by it. Because it's all just banter right?

It's all banter 'til some ****wit petrol bombs a mosque, or spraypaints 'Al Qaeda' on a muslim family's front door. It's all banter til members of your community are getting stopped and searched on a semi-regular basis because they look a bit suspicious in this climate of Islamaphobia.

Does it make him a bad man? No. Does it warrant some kind of censure? Absolutely.

And I do wish people would stop wheeling out the age thing. He's quick thinking enough to come up with snappy comments and one liners. It is rather unfortunate that some of his humour seems founded in racial stereotypes.

Well said!

[sassysocks]

There are quite a few people getting 'hot under the collar' about that. Just not in this thread.

It is possible to be bothered about both at the same time.

Oh yes I know that - but unfortunately I see many throwing around sexist comments and then getting in a tiss about racist ones. Annoys the hell out of me because it is double standards.

[brucie]

As soon as he said it, I thought 'you disgusting pig'...and I am shocked he hasn't been removed.

He said it so casually and he knew he was on tv...imagine what he says in his own house or the pub or the golf club etc.

[barbel13]

Thank you to all who defended the muslims community.This prove we have decent,caring and honest people in the uk who are offended by Ron comment.

All across Europe including UK there are girls and women who wear the Hijab (head scarf) going about their own business not hurting anyone and have their Hijab ripped from their head.Some women were spitted at on their face and some were slapped because they are muslims.In Germany a women was stabbed to death with her unborn baby because she wore the head scarf.


Remember the holocaust, same thing happened to the Jews and millions died.We must not let this happen again to another community.


Ron was wrong to say the joke but I believe he did not realised the offence he will cause and I forgive him for this.


Yours

Mohammad(A Muslim)

[reece(:]

Oh yes I know that - but unfortunately I see many throwing around sexist comments and then getting in a tiss about racist ones. Annoys the hell out of me because it is double standards.
God knows where these "sexist comments" you speak of are coming from.

[karezza]

I was gob smacked when he said it. It was racist no matter what way you look at it, it stereotyped Muslims (or religions that wear head scarves) to be a terrorist.

It was definitely justified.

Islam isn't a race. :wavey:

[MrWong]

God knows where these "sexist comments" you speak of are coming from.

It's usually brought up to derail threads.

[Verbal]

Thank you to all who defended the muslims community.This prove we have decent,caring and honest people in the uk who are offended by Ron comment.

All across Europe including UK there are girls and women who wear the Hijab (head scarf) going about their own business not hurting anyone and have their Hijab ripped from their head.Some women were spitted at on their face and some were slapped because they are muslims.In Germany a women was stabbed to death with her unborn baby because she wore the head scarf.


Remember the holocaust, same thing happened to the Jews and millions died.We must not let this happen again to another community.


Ron was wrong to say the joke but I believe he did not realised the offence he will cause and I forgive him for this.


Yours

Mohammad(A Muslim)

Are we really comparing the Holocaust to an ex football manager making a comment about a woman wearing a blanket on a reality tv show? really?

[sassysocks]

:crazy:
He wasn't stressed whatsoever, he's been calm and collected the whole time..
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Do you think stressed people all run around clucking like chickens or something? Are you a medical professional who can assess who is/isn't stressed on or off a tv show?

If he wasn't stressed before, he certainly will be now.

[Ammi]

As soon as he said it, I thought 'you disgusting pig'...and I am shocked he hasn't been removed.

..I think removing him would definitely be an over reaction..he's hardly a 'disgusting pig' for making a stupid joke...

[brucie]

Are we really comparing the Holocaust to an ex football manager making a comment about a woman wearing a blanket on a reality tv show? really?

Every day you see hatred against Muslims..not a day goes past that the daily mail or the SUN prints a story designed to whip up animosity towards muslims.

[brucie]

..I think removing him would definitely be an over reaction..he's hardly a 'disgusting pig' for making a stupid joke...

but his career ended on what you call ' a stupid joke'...the fact he hasn't learned means he must be really thick...really nasty or both.

[Marsh.]

..I think removing him would definitely be an over reaction..he's hardly a 'disgusting pig' for making a stupid joke...

Exactly, those kinds of jokes don't necessarily make the person saying them racist or evil incarnate but as mentioned by someone else in the thread it does add to society's perception of people and emphasises stereotypes so BB was right to pull him up just to say mind your language, watch what you're saying. He accepted it and moved on.

[barbel13]

Are we really comparing the Holocaust to an ex football manager making a comment about a woman wearing a blanket on a reality tv show? really?

remember massacre usually start with one and end up millions:nono: died.

[Ammi]

but his career ended on what you call ' a stupid joke'...the fact he hasn't learned means he must be really thick...really nasty or both.

....the joke was what he said on BB..?...and yeah, I do believe he can't be the brightest person to have made the joke, and he war rightfully warned for it..

[Verbal]

remember massacre usually start with one and end up millions:nono: died.

What?

In what universe is this in any way comparable to Ron bloody Atkinson?

[sassysocks]

God knows where these "sexist comments" you speak of are coming from.

Stereotyping and name calling female contestants for behaviour not condemned in male contestants happens every year on BB and has happened again with Hazel and Charlotte this year and is blatant sexism. You don't seem to even recognise sexism - yet you condemn Ron for failing to recognise racism. You just proved my point. :xyxwave:

[karezza]

What has happened to the British sense of humour.

Big Ron to win.:joker:

[reece(:]

Do you think stressed people all run around clucking like chickens or something? Are you a medical professional who can assess who is/isn't stressed on or off a tv show?

If he wasn't stressed before, he certainly will be now.
Do you even watch the show? He's had the chat with BB and gotten over it, moved on. As seen by on the latest clips. You're claiming to be inside Ron's head at the moment...http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z448/reeecerawwr/8f70c6ea.gif

[reece(:]

Stereotyping and name calling female contestants for behaviour not condemned in male contestants happens every year on BB and has happened again with Hazel and Charlotte this year and is blatant sexism. You don't seem to even recognise sexism - yet you condemn Ron for failing to recognise racism. You just proved my point. :xyxwave:
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The desperation is blatant.

[erinp5]

Tomorrows Star (front page)
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[megamaja40]

Ffs everyone needs to cop on here it was not racism it was a joke..... Probably in bad taste.... Been blown out of proportion here... If someone makes a joke about about my race I laugh at it and make one back

[reece(:]

If someone makes a joke about about my race I laugh at it and make one back

Good for you.. that doesn't make it ok, others may take offence.

[sassysocks]

It's usually brought up to derail threads.

I think not - just pointing out the obvious double standards that people responsible for them don't want to see.

[brucie]

Ffs everyone needs to cop on here it was not racism it was a joke..... Probably in bad taste.... Been blown out of proportion here... If someone makes a joke about about my race I laugh at it and make one back

Ever heard of the term 'uncle tom'...if not check this out..

The phrase "Uncle Tom" has also become an epithet for a person who is slavish and excessively subservient to perceived authority figures, particularly a black person who behaves in a subservient manner to white people; or any person perceived to be a participant in the oppression of their own group

[MrWong]

Ffs everyone needs to cop on here it was not racism it was a joke..... Probably in bad taste.... Been blown out of proportion here... If someone makes a joke about about my race I laugh at it and make one back

Not many are calling it racism.

Was he offensively stereotyping a group of people? Yes and he was rightly warned for it.

[reece(:]

It's usually brought up to derail threads.
It's desperate straw grasping.. if BB found Charlotte to be offensive she would have been warned. Ron was warned for being offensive. That's the valid conclusion.

[DanaC]

Are we really comparing the Holocaust to an ex football manager making a comment about a woman wearing a blanket on a reality tv show? really?

No. But the climate that allowed the rise of fascism included the routine denigration of Jews in comics and on stage and the blaming of Jews for the nation's economic and cultural woes.

Now, I don't think we are in danger of another Third Reich and another holocaust, but I do know that physical attacks and acts of intimidation against muslims in this country have been rising in number for several years.

Words have power. The jokes we tell reflect and help to create the culture we inhabit. Personally, I'd rather the culture I inhabit not be a racist, islamaphobic and anti-semitic one. Guess I'm picky like that.


Good God. It's political correctness gone mad. Mad I tells ya! Mad! Can't tell the old Chalky jokes any more eh? eh? Can't call it a blackboard! No more gollywogs on jam jars. Now they won't let us take the piss out of Abdul for being a bomber. Political correctness gone mad!

[sassysocks]

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The desperation is blatant.

As is the double standards.

[Ammi]

Exactly, those kinds of jokes don't necessarily make the person saying them racist or evil incarnate but as mentioned by someone else in the thread it does add to society's perception of people and emphasises stereotypes so BB was right to pull him up just to say mind your language, watch what you're saying. He accepted it and moved on.

..I think what I find most annoying and worrying is that people try to excuse him for the things he says..Oh it's just Big Ron, he's a good old chap, it's just his way...because it's not acceptable to be his way and how will he ever see that if excuses are made, which you're right..just adds to public perceptions of stereotypes...I accept that people can say things and not always think or mean offence by them but they also have to accept that they can offend and understand why, which is why he had to have the warning..I don't think he's a racist as such but if he's 'unaware or uneducated' then he does have to start to understand and be educated where he keeps making mistakes and saying stupid things...

[reece(:]

As is the double standards.
As I said, if BB found Charlotte to be offensive, she'd have been warned and she wasn't. So, so much for "my double standards" (another attempt at defending Ron's comments). Ron was warned... undefendable. But keep trying:xyxwave:

[MrWong]

I think not - just pointing out the obvious double standards that people responsible for them don't want to see.

It's spoken about a lot on the forum. So i'm not sure what you're getting at.

This is a thread about Ron's comments.

[sassysocks]

It's desperate straw grasping.. if BB found Charlotte to be offensive she would have been warned. Ron was warned for being offensive. That's the valid conclusion.

Who said Charlotte was being offensive? It's the ones calling her names because they find her offensive that are being sexist and therefore offensive.

[Verbal]

No. But the climate that allowed the rise of fascism included the routine denigration of Jews in comics and on stage and the blaming of Jews for the nation's economic and cultural woes.

Now, I don't think we are in danger of another Third Reich and another holocaust, but I do know that physical attacks and acts of intimidation against muslims in this country have been rising in number for several years.

Words have power. The jokes we tell reflect and help to create the culture we inhabit. Personally, I'd rather the culture I inhabit not be a racist, islamaphobic and anti-semitic one. Guess I'm picky like that.


Good God. It's political correctness gone mad. Mad I tells ya! Mad! Can't tell the old Chalky jokes any more eh? eh? Can't call it a blackboard! No more gollywogs on jam jars. Now they won't let us take the piss out of Abdul for being a bomber. Political correctness gone mad!
Yes Dana that is all well and good, but we are talking about Ron Atkinson in Big Brother. Reality check.

[_catapult_]

I was gob smacked when he said it. It was racist no matter what way you look at it, it stereotyped Muslims (or religions that wear head scarves) to be a terrorist.

It was definitely justified.

My god somebody save me, it is NOT racist.. further back somebody called it a 'racIAL' comment, and that is at least somewhat accurate - racIAL not racIST ... he made a joke, yes it was a bit inappropriate... maybe he deserved the warning, but you need to keep it in perspective, RACISTS hate black people, they attack people like me in the street, shout n****r at us, do monkey dances around me, do you get the picture? ... it's worlds apart.

Like the poor chick who got kicked out of the house a few series back for using the "n word" in a completely unoffensive way, that was ridiculous, this is ridiculous, and i also agree that all the people screaming him down as racist 'on behalf' of us blacks need to get a life too, please, I won't be rushing to defend random whites on nobody elses behalf and I don't expect anybody else to do it for me!

[reece(:]

Who said Charlotte was being offensive? It's the ones calling her names because they find her offensive that are being sexist and therefore offensive.
So why am I being lambasted for that then, Charlotte is my favourite in the house....

[sassysocks]

As I said, if BB found Charlotte to be offensive, she'd have been warned and she wasn't. So, so much for "my double standards" (another attempt at defending Ron's comments). Ron was warned... undefendable. But keep trying:xyxwave:

I'm wasting my time - you clearly don't understand what I am saying. For the last time, I did not say Charlotte was being offensive, I said those calling her names for being crude, when they wouldn't do so to a bloke, are the ones being offensive because they are being sexist. I give up.

[DanaC]

We are talking about someone on a tv show making a comment founded on anti-muslim stereotypes. He didn't say it down the pub with his mates.

For God's sake. Talk about an overreaction. he was given a warning by Big Brother. he wasn't hauled down to the station in a ****ing PC wagon.

[sassysocks]

So why am I being lambasted for that then, Charlotte is my favourite in the house....

Because if I remember rightly, and I maybe wrong, you were one of those calling Hazel names for her behaviour in the house - which is sexist.

[_catapult_]

Good God. It's political correctness gone mad. Mad I tells ya! Mad! Can't tell the old Chalky jokes any more eh? eh? Can't call it a blackboard! No more gollywogs on jam jars. Now they won't let us take the piss out of Abdul for being a bomber. Political correctness gone mad!

Err... are you actually saying that not being able to call it a blackboard.. and removing gollywogs from jam jars were both rational justified actions against racism? They seem like strange examples for the point (I think) you are trying to make..

[DanaC]

I'm wasting my time - you clearly don't understand what I am saying. For the last time, I did not say Charlotte was being offensive, I said those calling her names for being crude, when they wouldn't do so to a bloke, are the ones being offensive because they are being sexist. I give up.

Very true. But I've seen several people making that point in here on the threads where those sexist complaints are being made.

[reece(:]

Because if I remember rightly, and I maybe wrong, you were one of those calling Hazel names for her behaviour in the house - which is sexist.
Well you remember wrong since Hazel was my favourite in BB14...... deary me.http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z448/reeecerawwr/3094wpe.gif

[Ammi]

I'm wasting my time - you clearly don't understand what I am saying. For the last time, I did not say Charlotte was being offensive, I said those calling her names for being crude, when they wouldn't do so to a bloke, are the ones being offensive because they are being sexist. I give up.

..but what has that got to do with this though, Charlotte is crude in her terminology, I don't think that really can be denied..I would imagine Charlotte would say so herself..it doesn't make her a bad person though, I quite like Charlotte despite her terminology..but she is crude..Jay was crude as well..he wasn't any less crude because he was a guy...

[Ammi]

Because if I remember rightly, and I maybe wrong, you were one of those calling Hazel names for her behaviour in the house - which is sexist.

..a lot of people in this thread were fans of Hazel and defended her...

[brucie]

My god somebody save me, it is NOT racist.. further back somebody called it a 'racIAL' comment, and that is at least somewhat accurate - racIAL not racIST ... he made a joke, yes it was a bit inappropriate... maybe he deserved the warning, but you need to keep it in perspective, RACISTS hate black people, they attack people like me in the street, shout n****r at us, do monkey dances around me, do you get the picture? ... it's worlds apart.

Like the poor chick who got kicked out of the house a few series back for using the "n word" in a completely unoffensive way, that was ridiculous, this is ridiculous, and i also agree that all the people screaming him down as racist 'on behalf' of us blacks need to get a life too, please, I won't be rushing to defend random whites on nobody elses behalf and I don't expect anybody else to do it for me!

has that actually happened?!!? :conf:

[Toy Soldier]

I know men like Ron and to say that he isn't racist is simply false. The environment he has lived the majority of his life in, and no doubt the world he was raised in, is inherently infused with casual racism. This is just a fact. He doesn't "mean anything by it", no, and probably harbors no hatred (or even dislike) for people of other ethnicities.

It's a type of low-level racism that comes to him as easily as breathing. The type of "joke" you'll hear told over and over in every single old men's bowls club in the country.

It's part of his mindset, through and through. You can't really blame him for it, exactly... like I said, it's the world he was raised in and has lived in for most of his career; it only became "unacceptable" relatively recently.

It certainly isn't harmless, though, regardless of his intentions.

[sassysocks]

Well you remember wrong since Hazel was my favourite in BB14...... deary me.http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z448/reeecerawwr/3094wpe.gif

In which case I apologise - I thought you were. But that doesn't change the fact that you don't scream sexism at those that do and I think you have overreacted, along with many others, to Ron's comments - when he clearly meant no harm. Intent is everything.

[DanaC]

Err... are you actually saying that not being able to call it a blackboard.. and removing gollywogs from jam jars were both rational justified actions against racism? They seem like strange examples for the point (I think) you are trying to make..

The 'blackboard' thing was one of those 'PC gone mad' things that occasionally used to turn up in newspapers a few years ago. It was an urban myth. Noone was ever banned from calling a blackboard a blackboard.

The Golliwog thing....you think it's overly PC to not want a picture of a toy based on a black servant with overly exaggerated racial features, the name of which became a common insult for black people, on jamjar lids?


Ok.

[Ammi]

I know men like Ron and to say that he isn't racist is simply false. The environment he has lived the majority of his life in, and no doubt the world he was raised in, is inherently infused with casual racism. This is just a fact. He doesn't "mean anything by it", no, and probably harbors no hatred (or even dislike) for people of other ethnicities.

It's a type of low-level racism that comes to his as easily as breathing. The type of "joke" you'll hear told over and over in every single old men's bowls club in the country.

It's part of his mindset, through and through. You can't really blame him for it, exactly... like I said, it's the world he was raised in and has lived in for most of his career; it only became "unacceptable" relatively recently.

It certainly isn't harmless, though, regardless of his intentions.

..a really good post, it isn't harmless but I don't think it's intentionally racist either...a warning was given so now he understands and really that should be that...

[DanaC]

I know men like Ron and to say that he isn't racist is simply false. The environment he has lived the majority of his life in, and no doubt the world he was raised in, is inherently infused with casual racism. This is just a fact. He doesn't "mean anything by it", no, and probably harbors no hatred (or even dislike) for people of other ethnicities.

It's a type of low-level racism that comes to him as easily as breathing. The type of "joke" you'll hear told over and over in every single old men's bowls club in the country.

It's part of his mindset, through and through. You can't really blame him for it, exactly... like I said, it's the world he was raised in and has lived in for most of his career; it only became "unacceptable" relatively recently.

It certainly isn't harmless, though, regardless of his intentions.

This. Well said.

[reece(:]

In which case I apologise - I thought you were. But that doesn't change the fact that you don't scream sexism at those that do and I think you have overreacted, along with many others, to Ron's comments - when he clearly meant no harm. Intent is everything.

Because you know me so well... right?http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z448/reeecerawwr/lmao.gif

[mr rochester]

We all gasped when he said it...

The warning was right - but sooooo surprised he actually said it when he has gone on there to try to resurrect some good feeling towards himself. He just doesn't get it - plain and simple. He is a dinosaur (as far as modern thinking goes ) he must be stuck in the time warp he grew up in perhaps. Most people are savvy about these things because they make it their business to find out. Not Ron seemingly. I really don't think he means anything bad by the silly things he comes out with and he was immediately apologetic - he just isn't a modern thinker and he doesn't get political correctness and what is or isn't appropriate to say.

[Ammi]

In which case I apologise - I thought you were. But that doesn't change the fact that you don't scream sexism at those that do and I think you have overreacted, along with many others, to Ron's comments - when he clearly meant no harm. Intent is everything.

..I don't think reece has over-reacted, obviously I'm going to say that because I agree with him but the joke Ron made wasn't acceptable..I don't think it was intentionally meant to offend either, so BB warned him and for me that should be the end of it because he himself accepted it as well..so there just really isn't 'excuse' for him..he made a stupid joke, which had racist connotations, it had to receive a warning, which it did and really that should be the end of it...

[DanaC]

Really CH? Because I thought it was this part of your post that was problematic:

Getting offended on behalf of other people is offensive in itself. You're all just cheapening the real issues so that you can use big words and get all haughty over something on the internet. "


You know, the way you just dismissed and insulted everybody who disagreed with you on this matter?

[megamaja40]

I was gob smacked when he said it. It was racist no matter what way you look at it, it stereotyped Muslims (or religions that wear head scarves) to be a terrorist.

It was definitely justified.

So you were stereotyping when u said hazel was a ***** because of the way she looked and dressed?

[Pincho Paxton]

I can't keep up with this thread.. it's fast!

Ron's comment was a joke, it was a dark joke. The dark joke requires a mature, sensible audience. A dark joke usually comes with a warning when shown to an audience. The warning was a requirement.

The stereotype joke has always been acceptable in the past, it has appeared on many shows including Only Fools And Horses. Recently OFAH had all of the stereotypical jokes removed. These are new times for people of Ron's age. Anyway OFAH was ruined by the censorship.

So a warning is required, and that should be enough. The warning was slightly too harsh, and too long. Ron already admitted to being in the wrong, but the warning continued to build in intensity. I feel that some of the arguments on here are based on the Warning being intensified. People have become intensified by the length of the warning.

A quick warning with Ron realising his mistake was enough. Ron admitted to his mistake. That was enough.

You can create more damage with an over the top warning than the original joke. This thread can create more damage to relations than the joke by over-defending the warning. "Get Ron Out!".. over-defending the warning.

[brucie]

I can't keep up with this thread.. it's fast!

Ron's comment was a joke, it was a dark joke. The dark joke requires a mature, sensible audience. A dark joke usually comes with a warning when shown to an audience. The warning was a requirement.

The stereotype joke has always been acceptable in the past, it has appeared on many shows including Only Fools And Horses. Recently OFAH had all of the stereotypical jokes removed. These are new times for people of Ron's age. Anyway OFAH was ruined by the censorship.

So a warning is required, and that should be enough. The warning was slightly too harsh, and too long. Ron already admitted to being in the wrong, but the warning continued to build in intensity. I feel that some of the arguments on here are based on the Warning being intensified. People have become intensified by the length of the warning.

A quick warning with Ron realising his mistake was enough. Ron admitted to his mistake. That was enough.

You can create more damage with an over the top warning than the original joke. This thread can create more damage to relations than the joke by over-defending the warning. "Get Ron Out!".. over-defending the warning.

There is quite a few very obvious racist terms on ONLY FOOLS particularly the early episodes...e.g

uncle albert referring to corner shop as the "pa£i shop"
del boy referring to tea cosy as 'soppy hats for the west indians'

etc etc...quite shocking watching that now as none of it has been removed from the official bbc dvds....

[_catapult_]

has that actually happened?!!? :conf:

Afraid so yes, a few times to me personally and also friends and family too.. these dickheads are out there, trust me, which is why it blows my mind to see a joke like this being bandied about as 'racism' when theres no hate to be seen here, sure it wasn't a very funny joke, but to say he is racist because of it is 100% ridiculous

[Pincho Paxton]

There is quite a few very obvious racist terms on ONLY FOOLS particularly the early episodes...e.g

uncle albert referring to corner shop as the "pa£i shop"
del boy referring to tea cosy as 'soppy hats for the west indians'

etc etc...quite shocking watching that now as none of it has been removed from the official bbc dvds....

And when you are Ron's age you suddenly get a warning for the things that made people famous in the past.

[brucie]

Afraid so yes, a few times to me personally and also friends and family too.. these dickheads are out there, trust me, which is why it blows my mind to see a joke like this being bandied about as 'racism' when theres no hate to be seen here, sure it wasn't a very funny joke, but to say he is racist because of it is 100% ridiculous

sorry to hear that

[Ammi]

I can't keep up with this thread.. it's fast!

Ron's comment was a joke, it was a dark joke. The dark joke requires a mature, sensible audience. A dark joke usually comes with a warning when shown to an audience. The warning was a requirement.

The stereotype joke has always been acceptable in the past, it has appeared on many shows including Only Fools And Horses. Recently OFAH had all of the stereotypical jokes removed. These are new times for people of Ron's age. Anyway OFAH was ruined by the censorship.

So a warning is required, and that should be enough. The warning was slightly too harsh, and too long. Ron already admitted to being in the wrong, but the warning continued to build in intensity. I feel that some of the arguments on here are based on the Warning being intensified. People have become intensified by the length of the warning.

A quick warning with Ron realising his mistake was enough. Ron admitted to his mistake. That was enough.

You can create more damage with an over the top warning than the original joke. This thread can create more damage to relations than the joke by over-defending the warning. "Get Ron Out!".. over-defending the warning.

..actually I hadn't noticed the length of the warning, I'm not sure it has got any bearing on the comments in this thread..I agree with you that a warning was required and given and that should be the end of it because Ron himself saw what he said was wrong but I think the thread's being elongated because of the excuses made for him saying it when Ron makes no excuses himself...he's not a racist but he made a racist joke, it was extremely stupid, there was no excuse for it but that warning had to be given...

[Northern Monkey]

FFS is this Forum PC MAD?

You're right there fingers,Not just this forum either,Soon all speech and jokes and stand-up comedy will be regulated by the PC department of the government.

[_catapult_]

There is quite a few very obvious racist terms on ONLY FOOLS particularly the early episodes...e.g

uncle albert referring to corner shop as the "pa£i shop"
del boy referring to tea cosy as 'soppy hats for the west indians'


When the asians first came over here I think it was very common for them to be referred to as '*****' - it is just short for pakistanis, after all, but then the negative connotations came and today it's taboo to call somebody that even though in the literal sense it wasn't actually an insult..

I don't remember the episode though so I can't comment on the context of this individual use of the word but I'd guess at the time, most people didn't read too much into it?? ...

[DanaC]

..actually I hadn't noticed the length of the warning, I'm not sure it has got any bearing on the comments in this thread..I agree with you that a warning was required and given and that should be the end of it because Ron himself saw what he said was wrong but I think the thread's being elongated because of the excuses made for him saying it when Ron makes no excuses himself...he's not a racist but he made a racist joke, it was extremely stupid, there was no excuse for it but that warning had to be given...

It's this really that I have been responding to. And the calls of PC Gone Mad! just because someone got a warning for making a racist joke.

It wasn't (to me) a massive deal...it was a stupid remark that crossed a line and the person who made it was warned: end of. They weren't arrested or hauled off to a cell. They weren't censored by a government department. They were informed that their remark was potentially offensive and asked not to do it again.

[CaudleHalbard]

Ron made yet another stupid remark ON NATIONAL TELEVISION and was warned.

Big deal! He's still there laughing and joking. I expect he's already forgotten about it.

[DanaC]

Ron made yet another stupid remark ON NATIONAL TELEVISION and was warned.

Big deal! He's still there laughing and joking. I expect he's already forgotten about it.

Well ya know, he is old....;p

[Pincho Paxton]

Well ya know, he is old....;p

Warning.. ageist joke! :joker:

[aj2463]

Yeah when he said that, I knew a warning was on its way, but was way deserved imo

[Rob!]

I can't keep up with this thread.. it's fast!

Ron's comment was a joke, it was a dark joke. The dark joke requires a mature, sensible audience. A dark joke usually comes with a warning when shown to an audience. The warning was a requirement.

The stereotype joke has always been acceptable in the past, it has appeared on many shows including Only Fools And Horses. Recently OFAH had all of the stereotypical jokes removed. These are new times for people of Ron's age. Anyway OFAH was ruined by the censorship.

So a warning is required, and that should be enough. The warning was slightly too harsh, and too long. Ron already admitted to being in the wrong, but the warning continued to build in intensity. I feel that some of the arguments on here are based on the Warning being intensified. People have become intensified by the length of the warning.

A quick warning with Ron realising his mistake was enough. Ron admitted to his mistake. That was enough.

You can create more damage with an over the top warning than the original joke. This thread can create more damage to relations than the joke by over-defending the warning. "Get Ron Out!".. over-defending the warning.

They've got a routine they have to go through though. By the time this series is done, we'll all probably know the Warning spiel off by heart :D

[reece(:]

PBNnUPheqK0

[Roy Mars III]

I can't keep up with this thread.. it's fast!

Ron's comment was a joke, it was a dark joke. The dark joke requires a mature, sensible audience. A dark joke usually comes with a warning when shown to an audience. The warning was a requirement.

The stereotype joke has always been acceptable in the past, it has appeared on many shows including Only Fools And Horses. Recently OFAH had all of the stereotypical jokes removed. These are new times for people of Ron's age. Anyway OFAH was ruined by the censorship.

So a warning is required, and that should be enough. The warning was slightly too harsh, and too long. Ron already admitted to being in the wrong, but the warning continued to build in intensity. I feel that some of the arguments on here are based on the Warning being intensified. People have become intensified by the length of the warning.

A quick warning with Ron realising his mistake was enough. Ron admitted to his mistake. That was enough.

You can create more damage with an over the top warning than the original joke. This thread can create more damage to relations than the joke by over-defending the warning. "Get Ron Out!".. over-defending the warning.

:worship:

[MachoPoodle]

Just an idea - ask an actual Muslim if they were offended. They would just laugh at you. They would probably find people getting offended on their behalf to be more offensive.

Perhaps you shouldn't speak for them either, then? Just an idea.

[Samm]

He deserved that warning

[calyman]

I agree. I think too many on here lack any empathy or understanding of how things were for his generation and how it must be hard for a man of his age to have to watch every single word he says for fear of it offending someone - which is actually pretty AGEIST. I feel for the poor man.

It's the intention that counts, and he clearly didn't intend to offend anyone. Some are simply so easily 'offended' the rest of us are being forced to jump to their tune by the PC mad scaredy cats called BB. Bunch of plebs.
I'm so fed up of the !PC gone mad" cliche. The reason we are motivated to have a more "PC" attitude is to curb the nasty, bigoted, jibes that some feel is their right to impart on others. So long as it's minorities that are offended, well, if they complain, they are being overly sensitive or "PC" is going mad.

The point is a simple one. If through someone's bigoted mindset, they offend others, they should, of course, be brought to account for it. Otherwise it's "bigotry gone rampant", rather than the other cliche.

[calyman]

My god somebody save me, it is NOT racist.. further back somebody called it a 'racIAL' comment, and that is at least somewhat accurate - racIAL not racIST ... he made a joke, yes it was a bit inappropriate... maybe he deserved the warning, but you need to keep it in perspective, RACISTS hate black people, they attack people like me in the street, shout n****r at us, do monkey dances around me, do you get the picture? ... it's worlds apart.

Like the poor chick who got kicked out of the house a few series back for using the "n word" in a completely unoffensive way, that was ridiculous, this is ridiculous, and i also agree that all the people screaming him down as racist 'on behalf' of us blacks need to get a life too, please, I won't be rushing to defend random whites on nobody elses behalf and I don't expect anybody else to do it for me!
What? Are you being serious? Are you saying racism only affects black people?

[cfromhx02]

Fingers my friend ,yes it is

No way is this forum PC. I have seen lots of transphobic and anti trans comments made which I doubt anything has been done about.They are based on a lack of knowledge by those making those comments but that is no excuse.

It's usually better to keep your gob shut until you have done some research on something and know what you are talking about.And for goodness sake all these people complaining about things being PC are usually just making an excuse to continue with their own lack of control over how to speak to or treat other folk,

there is nothing wrong with being PC it just means thinking of others

n having manners

[smudgie]

When the asians first came over here I think it was very common for them to be referred to as '*****' - it is just short for pakistanis, after all, but then the negative connotations came and today it's taboo to call somebody that even though in the literal sense it wasn't actually an insult..

I don't remember the episode though so I can't comment on the context of this individual use of the word but I'd guess at the time, most people didn't read too much into it?? ...

It was indeed common, our corner shop was always called by the shortened version.
It only became derogatory after the idiotic term of p**** bashing came about in the seventies.

[muchadoaboutnothing]

Apart from anything else he said it to an Irish woman (but I do think innocently). The warning was, however, justified. I kinda feel sorry for Ron as he comes from a generation where people didn't hold back on how they felt about neighbours etc. The bigoted Alf Garnett springs to mind. The more Ron tries to be careful as to what he says in the house the more he is likely to say something by accident - he is walking on his own egg shells, simply because he is aware the public (mainly the press) will be watching for any slip-ups like he has done in the past.

[anne666]

Idiotic to say it was idiotic, someone needs to educate this thick human being.There is a world outside of sport, where has he been all this time?

[Lord Of The Garden]

I don't mind people making jokes about me or my race.

If it's funny, i'll laugh

If it's not, i won't . Simple as that.

It's not something that would bother me personally.

I'd rather live in a world where we can all laugh at ourselves and each other. Humour is important as it relieves the tensions of life. Things become a problem when we take them too seriously. That's my view.

I wish everyone saw it that way.

[chuff me dizzy]

I don't mind people making jokes about me or my race.

If it's funny, i'll laugh

If it's not, i won't . Simple as that.

It's not something that would bother me personally.

I'd rather live in a world where we can all laugh at ourselves and each other. Humour is important as it relieves the tensions of life. Things become a problem when we take them too seriously. That's my view.

I wish everyone saw it that way.

My nephew is half Indian ,he tells jokes too ,and being a sergeant in the Army hes had banter from other soldiers for years, but Thank God hes got a great sense of humour and doesnt take offence IMO any racism re blacks,Asians comes from Pc mad white people

[Lord Of The Garden]

My nephew is half Indian ,he tells jokes too ,and being a sergeant in the Army hes had banter from other soldiers for years, but Thank God hes got a great sense of humour and doesnt take offence IMO any racism re blacks,Asians comes from Pc mad white people

Even with my friends - the ones who make jokes about me are the one's who also care the most. The people who are uncomfortable making jokes tend to be less caring overall.

Give me people with a sense of humour any day!

Anyone without a sense of humour is someone to be avoided in my experience!

[DanaC]

Big difference between jokes that come from somebody who you know views you with caring or concern, or with whom you share some sort of kinship or camaraderie, and jokes that come from somebody who doesn't know you and whose motives may not be kind. One is, despite the content, a form of intended inclusion. The other is a form of intended exclusion.

[Northern Monkey]

Round our end,The local asian off licence was always known as the 'P**i shop' to everyone before it closed.That was just normal,Was'nt all that long ago.10 or so years.

[Lord Of The Garden]

Big difference between jokes that come from somebody who you know views you with caring or concern, or with whom you share some sort of kinship or camaraderie, and jokes that come from somebody who doesn't know you and whose motives may not be kind. One is, despite the content, a form of intended inclusion. The other is a form of intended exclusion.

Agreed.

But for me that's a win / win.

I'd gladly be excluded from people with bad intention !

[DanaC]

Agreed.

But for me that's a win / win.

I'd gladly be excluded from people with bad intention !

ha! yes.

The trouble comes in when those people with bad intentions are the ones who create the culture in which you are living and working. These days they're a marginal voice, thankfully. But that wasn't always the case, and may not be always the case.

[Daffodil]

My reaction when I saw the warning? I laughed at what he said! Sorry, but it was funny! And I am only being honest.

[fingers]

My reaction when I saw the warning? I laughed at what he said! Sorry, but it was funny! And I am only being honest.

It was a silly joke, rather schoolboyish humour, but that's ALL it was just a silly stupid remark that BB deliberately BROADCAST (Along with the full DR warning) in
order to create another "Race Row" headline in the Daily Scum. They definitely succeeded as today's Daily scum proves. > http://www.dailystar.co.uk/

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/tv/big-brother/334677/Big-Ron-Atkinson-s-burka-bomb-joke-storm another heaven-sent opportunity to publicise BB and show how caring the programme is
in defending the viewers' sensibilities

[Jesus.]

My nephew is half Indian ,he tells jokes too ,and being a sergeant in the Army hes had banter from other soldiers for years, but Thank God hes got a great sense of humour and doesnt take offence IMO any racism re blacks,Asians comes from Pc mad white people

PC white people are the new racists?

http://i.imgur.com/IHEwd.gif

[Lord Of The Garden]

ha! yes.

The trouble comes in when those people with bad intentions are the ones who create the culture in which you are living and working. These days they're a marginal voice, thankfully. But that wasn't always the case, and may not be always the case.

I know, it's a scary thing to be around when you can't avoid it. On the whole i think we are evolving for the better but there is still a lot of divisive thinking around in people who think their 'group' is superior to others - whether that is their race, their religion or their gender.

Thankfully we live in one of the most open minded and multi-cultural countries in the world. Hopefully that forward thinking spirit will rub off on all cultures who live here and help to dissolve the racial/religious/gender divides that are not serving the common good.

Well intended humour on taboo subjects is a sign that we are on the right track but of course it is unpleasant when humour is misused by people with darker motives. It's all about intention i guess. You can feel the difference between a joke with bad intention behind it and one that's just a joke.

[chuff me dizzy]

Even with my friends - the ones who make jokes about me are the one's who also care the most. The people who are uncomfortable making jokes tend to be less caring overall.

Give me people with a sense of humour any day!

Anyone without a sense of humour is someone to be avoided in my experience!

And me too

[chuff me dizzy]

PC white people are the new racists?

http://i.imgur.com/IHEwd.gif

Yes they are,attacking white people to stick up for others ,to make them appear Saintly ,when in fact they appear shallow and pathetic

[Jack_]

PC white people are the new racists?

http://i.imgur.com/IHEwd.gif

And white people are actually the minority that are marginalised too, didn't you know?

The mind boggles.

[Lex]

I know, it's a scary thing to be around when you can't avoid it. On the whole i think we are evolving for the better but there is still a lot of divisive thinking around in people who think their 'group' is superior to others - whether that is their race, their religion or their gender.

Thankfully we live in one of the most open minded and multi-cultural countries in the world. Hopefully that forward thinking spirit will rub off on all cultures who live here and help to dissolve the racial/religious/gender divides that are not serving the common good.

Well intended humour on taboo subjects is a sign that we are on the right track but of course it is unpleasant when humour is misused by people with darker motives. It's all about intention i guess. You can feel the difference between a joke with bad intention behind it and one that's just a joke.

Like Fingers , Chuff and a few other people on this forum have already said...This kind of nonsense thread is too much for me to be bothered with, But before I turn my back on all of the 'overly-pious threads' I will say that this particular piece of open minded and sensible observation posted by 'Lord Of The Garden' should be considered the epitome of logic....and end this pc madness!
The man tried to make a joke for god's sake!...he did not shout "Death To The Veil-Wearing Charlatans!" [or something else to that effect!]
...Granted, the attempt at humour was pretty weak...and also thoughtlessly misplaced , because the producers of the show that he's on were always hoping for Ron to give them a cheap bit of publicity [otherwise, why would they have paid loads of dosh to have a relatively boring, knackered old football has'been on the show?]
It was not racist at all!..it was throwaway humour!...The very same throwaway humour that is constantly being used by comedians up and down the country...nay!...world-wide!

For anyone that disagrees with my assessment of the 'non-event' ...please study the links below that are perfect examples of the real 'Voice Of Reason' by people that are eminently more qualified to comment and set the boundaries of "Political Correctness" than most [if not all] of the people feigning indignation on these threads...before commentating on this post thank you!....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPEmfh3hOXc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoL_tR5nARg

http://connection.ebscohost.com/c/articles/24939150/make-jokes-not-war

ps...don't just skip the links...if nothing else, ...they might just make you smile! :wink:


Bye Bye!

[CaudleHalbard]

I said it before and I'll say it again:

BB are covering their backs. They would rather have loads of whinging on the internet than even a small number of complaints to Ofcom.

[chuff me dizzy]

Like Fingers , Chuff and a few other people on this forum have already said...This kind of nonsense thread is too much for me to be bothered with, But before I turn my back on all of the 'overly-pious threads' I will say that this particular piece of open minded and sensible observation posted by 'Lord Of The Garden' should be considered the epitome of logic....and end this pc madness!
The man tried to make a joke for god's sake!...he did not shout "Death To The Veil-Wearing Charlatans!" [or something else to that effect!]
...Granted, the attempt at humour was pretty weak...and also thoughtlessly misplaced , because the producers of the show that he's on were always hoping for Ron to give them a cheap bit of publicity [otherwise, why would they have paid loads of dosh to have a relatively boring, knackered old football has'been on the show?]
It was not racist at all!..it was throwaway humour!...The very same throwaway humour that is constantly being used by comedians up and down the country...nay!...world-wide!

For anyone that disagrees with my assessment of the 'non-event' ...please study the links below that are perfect examples of the real 'Voice Of Reason' by people that are eminently more qualified to comment and set the boundaries of "Political Correctness" than most [if not all] of the people feigning indignation on these threads...before commentating on this post thank you!....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPEmfh3hOXc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoL_tR5nARg

http://connection.ebscohost.com/c/articles/24939150/make-jokes-not-war

ps...don't just skip the links...if nothing else, ...they might just make you smile! :wink:


Bye Bye!

Well said ,I agree with all you say ,but as many others I will not be told what I should think ,Im an adult and my opinion is as valid(and sometimes more valid) than others ,Leave the excusers too it

[Jesus.]

And white people are actually the minority that are marginalised too, didn't you know?

The mind boggles.

It was hard growing up in the era of suppression. When is a white guy like me going to catch a break in this world?

[CaudleHalbard]

Does anyone SERIOUSLY think that BB were making a moral judgment on Headscarfgate?

If so, that's seriously deluded! Sorry. ;)

[fingers]

Like Fingers , Chuff and a few other people on this forum have already said...This kind of nonsense thread is too much for me to be bothered with, But before I turn my back on all of the 'overly-pious threads' I will say that this particular piece of open minded and sensible observation posted by 'Lord Of The Garden' should be considered the epitome of logic....and end this pc madness!
The man tried to make a joke for god's sake!...he did not shout "Death To The Veil-Wearing Charlatans!" [or something else to that effect!]
...Granted, the attempt at humour was pretty weak...and also thoughtlessly misplaced , because the producers of the show that he's on were always hoping for Ron to give them a cheap bit of publicity [otherwise, why would they have paid loads of dosh to have a relatively boring, knackered old football has'been on the show?]
It was not racist at all!..it was throwaway humour!...The very same throwaway humour that is constantly being used by comedians up and down the country...nay!...world-wide!

For anyone that disagrees with my assessment of the 'non-event' ...please study the links below that are perfect examples of the real 'Voice Of Reason' by people that are eminently more qualified to comment and set the boundaries of "Political Correctness" than most [if not all] of the people feigning indignation on these threads...before commentating on this post thank you!....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPEmfh3hOXc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoL_tR5nARg

http://connection.ebscohost.com/c/articles/24939150/make-jokes-not-war

ps...don't just skip the links...if nothing else, ...they might just make you smile! :wink:


Bye Bye!

BB knew exactly what they were doing, this was not something that happened during LiveFeed (when they'd have censored it anyway) It was put into the Hls for the express intention of creating another "BB Race Row" headline which they got! How many DR conversations have they broadcast this year?
Channel 5 seems to be all about exploitation, of the contestants, of the public and of course the Fan Forums. All for the sake of cheap and usually false headlines in the Daily Scum.

[MachoPoodle]

Does anyone SERIOUSLY think that BB were making a moral judgment on Headscarfgate?

If so, that's seriously deluded! Sorry. ;)

If anything, I bet the main reason why they put Ron in there was to see if he'd say exactly that kind of thing.

[DanaC]

What's ridiculous is people getting into an almighty strop because someone was pulled up for a mildly racist joke on tv.

It amazes me that so many people think that minority ethnic groups should just get on with it and stop taking it so seriously that their parents, grandparents and great grand parents were treated like second class citizens and that they themselves have reduced employment opportunities and a greater likelihood of being stopped and searched etc etc etc, when someone makes a joke at their expense. Suck it up, have a sense of humour. But my God, step on the right of that person to make a racist joke without comment or censure of any kind and they start wailing about reverse racism and PC gone mad.

Get a grip. he made a comment on tv, it was mildly racist and potentially offensive to some and he was given a warning for it. Nobody is advocating taking him out back and shooting him for it. And very few people in this forum are taking it as an indication he's anything more than a little thoughtless and insensitive.

[CaudleHalbard]

If anything, I bet the main reason why they put Ron in there was to see if he'd say exactly that kind of thing.

Indeed. They slipped up though by not having a black footballer and a Chinese woman in the house for Ron to interact with! :eek::D

[boomoo]

he is so stupid. you dont make those jokes on tv lol. the warning was right .

It should not have been on TV. If what he said is so offensive why did CBB air it. They are meant to edit out offensive statements so they could be accused of knowingly airing material that could have led to violent protest. Fortunately I do not think practising Muslims would be allowed to view CBB. He could still have been warned.
Comedians cleaned up their acts but I find Ken Dodds 'jokes not' about asthmatic seriously offensive. But there you go.

[fingers]

It should not have been on TV. If what he said is so offensive why did CBB air it. They are meant to edit out offensive statements so they could be accused of knowingly airing material that could have led to violent protest. Fortunately I do not think practising Muslims would be allowed to view CBB. He could still have been warned.
Comedians cleaned up their acts but I find Ken Dodds 'jokes not' about asthmatic seriously offensive. But there you go.

The Sunday Smut needed a "Race Row" headline, that's why they aired it.

[MTVN]

The Star could have reported it even if they didn't air it, they've carried stories about warnings before when they haven't actually been shown

[reece(:]

What's ridiculous is people getting into an almighty strop because someone was pulled up for a mildly racist joke on tv.

It amazes me that so many people think that minority ethnic groups should just get on with it and stop taking it so seriously that their parents, grandparents and great grand parents were treated like second class citizens and that they themselves have reduced employment opportunities and a greater likelihood of being stopped and searched etc etc etc, when someone makes a joke at their expense. Suck it up, have a sense of humour. But my God, step on the right of that person to make a racist joke without comment or censure of any kind and they start wailing about reverse racism and PC gone mad.

Get a grip. he made a comment on tv, it was mildly racist and potentially offensive to some and he was given a warning for it. Nobody is advocating taking him out back and shooting him for it. And very few people in this forum are taking it as an indication he's anything more than a little thoughtless and insensitive.
Exactly the point. No point carrying on these silly strops, BB has spoken.. the warning has been given and was justified. Close.

[fingers]

The Star could have reported it even if they didn't air it, they've carried stories about warnings before when they haven't actually been shown

Wouldn't have had the same impact. You only have to look at the fan sites to see that.

[chuff me dizzy]

Wouldn't have had the same impact. You only have to look at the fan sites to see that.

All true

[boomoo]

I don't mind people making jokes about me or my race.

If it's funny, i'll laugh

If it's not, i won't . Simple as that.

It's not something that would bother me personally.

I'd rather live in a world where we can all laugh at ourselves and each other. Humour is important as it relieves the tensions of life. Things become a problem when we take them too seriously. That's my view.

I wish everyone saw it that way.


Well you obviously approach life in a balanced way and have associated with people who think in the same way.
When my daughter first started nursery she met children from Pakistan, Bangladesh and India. At three years of age she said she was going out to Africa to sort out the water. Out of the mouth of babes. She taught these girls their alphabet and sums. She was blue eyed gold blond haired. They adored her and squealed with delight whenever she turned up at school.
At four she started a new school. After a week she came home and said, ' I am sick of looking at pink and white faces, I want to go back to my girls.
Racism is learnt. My daughter's innocent reaction was because she had only ever seen white skin.

[boomoo]

I said it before and I'll say it again:

BB are covering their backs. They would rather have loads of whinging on the internet than even a small number of complaints to Ofcom.

So why did they air it. Surely they put themselves in an awkward position by airing Ron and the headscarf. They could have warned Ron without airing the event. It would have been CBB who incited a reaction.
They wanted to have just such a piece to contrive interest.

[CaudleHalbard]

It's the old saying: there's no such thing as bad publicity.

BB wanted to look like the good guys.

[the truth]

I was on a bus one day what a Pakistani lad started mocking a disabled chap with polio, the other boys then started calling the Pakistani boy names because they disliked him discriminating....before you knew it everyone was screaming abuse and pushing and shoving

the moral of the tale is what? well for one rules, customs and accepted behaviour must work both ways

[RodHull]

FFS is this Forum PC MAD?

Not liking someone who equates anyone with a headscarf as a bomber is NOT being 'pc mad' :xyxwave:

Especially when added to his other racist gaffs... sorry Ron is a racist, not a cross burning violent racist, but a racist nonetheless.

[RodHull]

but I find Ken Dodds 'jokes not' about asthmatic seriously offensive. But there you go.

Thats not a valid defense, people should appreciate racism and homophobia is particularly vile and NOT a topic for humour because many people are still persecuted for being part of those groups, in some countries people are killed for it.

Last time I checked nobody openly persecutes asthmatics or ginger people (another defense people like to use) When all races etc are treated equally maybe then we can openly mock each other, until then its insidious and dangerous to go down that route.

[Nedusa]

Clearly Ron has been put into the house to create exactly this type of situation. Everyone is well aware of his views in the past so it is fair to assume in a high pressure stressful environment it was only a matter of days before an outburst like this was due.

BB then give him a warning but secretly they thrive on situations like this for headlines and hopefully more viewers.

If they were that concerned with his comments then why did they air them ??

[Cherie]

Well you obviously approach life in a balanced way and have associated with people who think in the same way.
When my daughter first started nursery she met children from Pakistan, Bangladesh and India. At three years of age she said she was going out to Africa to sort out the water. Out of the mouth of babes. She taught these girls their alphabet and sums. [/B]She was blue eyed gold blond haired. They adored her and squealed with delight whenever she turned up at school.
At four she started a new school. After a week she came home and said, ' I am sick of looking at pink and white faces, I want to go back to my girls.
Racism is learnt. My daughter's innocent reaction was because she had only ever seen white skin.

Wow.

[Beso]

i thought it was because she was irish!

[MachoPoodle]

I was on a bus one day what a Pakistani lad started mocking a disabled chap with polio, the other boys then started calling the Pakistani boy names because they disliked him discriminating....before you knew it everyone was screaming abuse and pushing and shoving

the moral of the tale is what? well for one rules, customs and accepted behaviour must work both ways

And why exactly did they have to use racial slurs? They were not capable of telling him off for his behaviour without sinking to the same level?