Laurens accusation about Ron

[Josy]

Right I was in two minds about making this thread but oh well here goes..

I didn't like the way Lauren basically accused Ron of being transphobic while she was nominating him, what if he just genuinely dislikes her as a person?

And I'm wondering if anyone that openly says they don't like her is going to be accused of that too? :shrug:

[fingers]

That's a 100% given!

[Pincho Paxton]

I didn't see any transphobia, but we only see highlights.

[the truth]

Right I was in two minds about making this thread but oh well here goes..

I didn't like the way Lauren basically accused Ron of being transphobic while she was nominating him, what if he just genuinely dislikes her as a person?

And I'm wondering if anyone that openly says they don't like her is going to be accused of that too? :shrug:

I 1000% agree, great thread. I like lauren but that was poor taste. Granted were not in there so we cant pick up everything. she was maybe emotional and spur of the moment But she went down in my estimation with that statement. that's a pretty major thing to say about a person. and I cant really see much that hints ron is anti transgender, patronising and smarmy perhaps but anti transgender is too big aleap and too big a judgement to make

[Johnnyuk123]

Lauren is right to have her opinion. Whether i agree or not doesn't really matter. She is entitled as is Ron to say what they both feel. Both are great housemates and will be staying anyways so none of it matters.

[smudgie]

Easy to latch on to I suppose.

His excuse was a bit lame mind, when he first mentioned her, saying I would be interesting to see how popular she was or not.

Maybe he just does not like her but is too polite to tell her.

[fingers]

Lauren doesn't believe that anyone could fail to LOVE her, so if they don't it can only be transphobia!

[the truth]

Lauren is right to have her opinion. Whether i agree or not doesn't really matter. She is entitled as is Ron to say what they both feel. Both are great housemates and will be staying anyways so none of it matters.

calling someone a bigot is a step too far imo

[Johnnyuk123]

calling someone a bigot is a step too far imo

Like i said thats just an opinion which they all give in that house.

[Videostar]

Right I was in two minds about making this thread but oh well here goes..

I didn't like the way Lauren basically accused Ron of being transphobic while she was nominating him, what if he just genuinely dislikes her as a person?

And I'm wondering if anyone that openly says they don't like her is going to be accused of that too? :shrug:

Great post, and Im glad you decided to post it.

And I fear the silly love for all things Lauren is similar to the bizarre support Sam got, much ado about nothing.

Lauren played the trans phobic card tonight and that was disgraceful and cowardly.

[smeagol]

Right I was in two minds about making this thread but oh well here goes..

I didn't like the way Lauren basically accused Ron of being transphobic while she was nominating him, what if he just genuinely dislikes her as a person?

And I'm wondering if anyone that openly says they don't like her is going to be accused of that too? :shrug:

to be honest i think he doesn't like her for that reason and she knows it. so mentioned it in a of key manner, she didn't quite say that but implied it but i can see why.guess shouldn't though.

i think bruce feels that way maybe though .

[karezza]

Anyone who thinks Lauren is a disgusting, selfish, creepy, weird, unhygienic, annoying moaner will be accused of transphobia.

[Amy Jade]

There are a few people on here who dislike her and I don't blame it on transphobia, she's just like every other housemate, some like her some dont.

[the truth]

Like i said thats just an opinion which they all give in that house.

no people draw the line at making slanderous accusations that could up in a courtroom....what she said was on a par with calling someone a bigot or a racist. Maybe she thought about his past problem with racism and put 2 and 2 together and came up with 11....either way labelling someone a bigot is a serious accusation and not mere opinion

[Niamh.]

mmm it's not a good thing to accuse someone of without having good reason to say it to all the viewing audience. I would imagine his views are quite old school and she could well be right but I don't think she should have said it without being able to back it up with something other than the fact the she feels it

[Johnnyuk123]

Lets be honest here, Laurens contribution in the last 7 days has been 1000% more than Sams 10 week snooze fest contribution on civilian BB. She is a great housemate!

[reece(:]

Bit confused with the correlation of people who like Lauren are Sam fans.. care to elaborate?

[Videostar]

Lets be honest here, Laurens contribution in the last 7 days has been 1000% more than Sams 10 week snooze fest contribution on civilian BB. She is a great housemate!

That much is true, but people saying Lauren is "really funny"...that's going way over the top IMO.

[Johnnyuk123]

That much is true, but people saying Lauren is "really funny"...that's going way over the top IMO.

Being funny is a personal thing. Lauren is funny as are others but she is funny, might not be your kind of funny but she is.

[erinp5]

I am no fan of Ron's but I hate when a Hm plays the race ,creed, sexuality card. Pisses me right off.

[Johnnyuk123]

The BBOTS crowd are so biased towards Ron. If an ex burgler who served 9 yrs in prison got released and then went in the BB house does that automatically mean people should shout get them out the house before they steal from someone?

[Johnnyuk123]

I am no fan of Ron's but I hate when a Hm plays the race ,creed, sexuality card. Pisses me right off.

Same goes for playing the sympathy card for ailments like on civilian BB. Totally shamefull.

[the truth]

mmm it's not a good thing to accuse someone of without having good reason to say it to all the viewing audience. I would imagine his views are quite old school and she could well be right but I don't think she should have said it without being able to back it up with something other than the fact the she feels it

what is this old school broad brush statement to label millions of older people? there are loads of differences between people regardless of age. I detest that overused old school cliché and all the negative connotations that go with it

[the truth]

Same goes for playing the sympathy card for ailments like on civilian BB. Totally shamefull.

youre saying a deaf person shouldn't mention being deaf in 12 weeks on a 24 hour a day tv show?

[Niamh.]

what is this old school broad brush statement to label millions of older people? there are loads of differences between people regardless of age. I detest that overused old school cliché and all the negative connotations that go with it

:laugh2: You're hilarious

[Pincho Paxton]

youre saying a deaf person shouldn't mention being deaf in 12 weeks on a 24 hour a day tv show?

Well yeah, she should tell people about it otherwise you would never know...

[Johnnyuk123]

what is this old school broad brush statement to label millions of older people? there are loads of differences between people regardless of age. I detest that overused old school cliché and all the negative connotations that go with it

I like Ron for not falling into the PC brigade way of speaking. Just because the PC brigade don't like it doesn't mean they are right. Infact most of the time the PC brigade are wrong.

[Lozzibear]

I think that happens all too often...

Whether it be due to a persons sexual orientation, colour of their skin, religion, country they come from... it isn't often someone can just dislike them because they are damn annoying. I have a friend who is of a certain religion, and well... she is an annoying person. She is loud, rude, abrasive... I am used to it because I have known her since I was 8 but it puts a lot of people off... but no, when people dislike her, it always has to be due to racism! No, it isn't, it is because she is a difficult person to be around. I would find Lauren hard to be around myself, she seems to be far too attention seeking for my liking... and a big baby to boot.

[billy123]

Anyone who thinks Lauren is a disgusting, selfish, creepy, weird, unhygienic, annoying moaner will be accused of transphobia.
Only by idiots.

[the truth]

Well yeah, she should tell people about it otherwise you would never know...

she? sam was a man?

[Marsh.]

what is this old school broad brush statement to label millions of older people? there are loads of differences between people regardless of age. I detest that overused old school cliché and all the negative connotations that go with it

:joker: I love your sense of irony.

[Johnnyuk123]

If we look at the bigger picture of things Lauren is actually more of an english rose than cheryl no talent rose tattooed cole.

[the truth]

I think that happens all too often...

Whether it be due to a persons sexual orientation, colour of their skin, religion, country they come from... it isn't often someone can just dislike them because they are damn annoying. I have a friend who is of a certain religion, and well... she is an annoying person. She is loud, rude, abrasive... I am used to it because I have known her since I was 8 but it puts a lot of people off... but no, when people dislike her, it always has to be due to racism! No, it isn't, it is because she is a difficult person to be around. I would find Lauren hard to be around myself, she seems to be far too attention seeking for my liking... and a big baby to boot.

yes and we have idiot politicians who create laws to support this self pitying attention seeking agends for idiots looking for arguments. they pass these nonsensical values and laws onto judges, cops and lawyers , hence we end up in this basket case of a country...where serious things are ignored but 1 word taken the wrong way can lead to 100,000s worth of mindless litigation

[billy123]

If we look at the bigger picture of things Lauren is actually more of an english rose than cheryl no talent rose tattooed cole.
What in the living hell has Cheryl cole got to do with this?

[Pincho Paxton]

she? sam was a man?

Lauren needs to tell people that she is a transsexual else we would never know. :joker:

[Johnnyuk123]

Tiny willy was my first thought, second thought was lance that bum boil.

[the truth]

:joker: I love your sense of irony.

maybe because youre old school

[Johnnyuk123]

Emma so wants to do him. lol

[Marsh.]

maybe because youre old school

Uh, ok then.

[Jack_]

People have to remember what Lauren will have experienced and gone through in her life, and the amount of rejection and discrimination that she will have had to endure because of who she is will unfortunately lead her to sometimes make the understandable assumption that people don't like her because she's transgender. It's alright for us to sit here and go 'well that's not a very fair accusation', but we're not the ones that have had to face a decade of such prejudice...it's understandable that if someone made her feel like they didn't like her she may put it down to that because that's the general reason that people have probably given her in the past.

Having said that, I would also say that if you're part of a minority that experiences discrimination in society, you would have a pretty good gauge of when people dislike you or are uncomfortable around you because you're part of that minority.

[Pincho Paxton]

People have to remember what Lauren will have experienced and gone through in her life, and the amount of rejection and discrimination that she will have had to endure because of who she is will unfortunately lead her to sometimes make the understandable assumption that people don't like her because she's transgender. It's alright for us to sit here and go 'well that's not a very fair accusation', but we're not the ones that have had to face a decade of such prejudice...it's understandable that if someone made her feel like they didn't like her she may put it down to that because that's the general reason that people have probably given her in the past.

Having said that, I would also say that if you're part of a minority that experiences discrimination in society, you would have a pretty good gauge of when people dislike you or are uncomfortable around you because you're part of that minority.

Transgender or not Lauren will be bullied for being odd.

[the truth]

Uh, ok then.

glad you admit it

[Jack_]

Transgender or not Lauren will be bullied for being odd.

Being bullied can also make people 'odd' though, I've seen it happen. Which actually turns it into a vicious circle.

[Josy]

People have to remember what Lauren will have experienced and gone through in her life, and the amount of rejection and discrimination that she will have had to endure because of who she is will unfortunately lead her to sometimes make the understandable assumption that people don't like her because she's transgender. It's alright for us to sit here and go 'well that's not a very fair accusation', but we're not the ones that have had to face a decade of such prejudice...it's understandable that if someone made her feel like they didn't like her she may put it down to that because that's the general reason that people have probably given her in the past.

Having said that, I would also say that if you're part of a minority that experiences discrimination in society, you would have a pretty good gauge of when people dislike you or are uncomfortable around you because you're part of that minority.

Most people are perfectly aware of what she has been through Jack, but it's wrong to automatically assume that because someone dislikes her they are transphobic and to accuse them of it on tv is unfair imo.

I'm not sure about Rons reasons for wanting to nominate her, no one but him knows what they truly are but I find it a bit odd that Lauren never mentioned anything at all like that about him until he mentioned putting her up for eviction.


Most of the housemates are moaning about Lauren on LF atm that probably means she's not the easiest person to live with.

[Pincho Paxton]

Being bullied can also make people 'odd' though, I've seen it happen. Which actually turns it into a vicious circle.

Well, yes that's true.

[the truth]

Most people are perfectly aware of what she has been through Jack, but it's wrong to automatically assume that because someone dislikes her they are transphobic and to accuse them of it on tv is unfair imo.

I'm not sure about Rons reasons for wanting to nominate her, no one but him knows what they truly are but I find it a bit odd that Lauren never mentioned anything at all like that about him until he mentioned putting her up for eviction.


Most of the housemates are moaning about Lauren on LF atm that probably means she's not the easiest person to live with.

its totally wrong. but he can be labelled a bigot for no reason but I cant suggest on here that the types of people who support charlotte may be workless chavs? radical liberalism creates a society where only certain groups of people can be criticized.

[Jack_]

Most people are perfectly aware of what she has been through Jack, but it's wrong to automatically assume that because someone dislikes her they are transphobic and to accuse them of it on tv is unfair imo.

I'm not sure about Rons reasons for wanting to nominate her, no one but him knows what they truly are but I find it a bit odd that Lauren never mentioned anything at all like that about him until he mentioned putting her up for eviction.


Most of the housemates are moaning about Lauren on LF atm that probably means she's not the easiest person to live with.

Well if they were perfectly aware they'd understand that as I said from Lauren's perspective having endured years of people judging her and taking a dislike to her because she is transgender, that it's a natural assumption for her to make that if somebody new dislikes her it's because they disagree with who she is. Almost as if that kind of mentality is conditioned to her because that's what she has experienced for so long. Like, people need to understand that. Yes it might be unfair but after what she's been through I think it's understandable and that she can't really help but feel like that since that's all she knows.

I'm not going to sit here and say I don't question Ron's mentality because there's alarm bells going off constantly for me, but I don't disagree she would be difficult to live with, I'm just saying people need to understand that from her perspective it would be natural to assume that someone would dislike her because she's transgender...if that's basically the reason she's been given half of her life what else would she know?

[MeMyselfAndI]

The way she said it, it looked like she only wanted to say 'I don't think Ron is comfortable with my presence' and then Big Brother must have asked her to elaborate on this point, and then she said 'he may be transphobic'. It looked edited too me anyway

[MeMyselfAndI]

Rons proven to stereotype people and to act biggotted, so It's not exactly shocking that she may think hes transphobic tbh

[the truth]

Well if they were perfectly aware they'd understand that as I said from Lauren's perspective having endured years of people judging her and taking a dislike to her because she is transgender, that it's a natural assumption for her to make that if somebody new dislikes her it's because they disagree with who she is. Almost as if that kind of mentality is conditioned to her because that's what she has experienced for so long. Like, people need to understand that. Yes it might be unfair but after what she's been through I think it's understandable and that she can't really help but feel like that since that's all she knows.

I'm not going to sit here and say I don't question Ron's mentality because there's alarm bells going off constantly for me, but I don't disagree she would be difficult to live with, I'm just saying people need to understand that from her perspective it would be natural to assume that someone would dislike her because she's transgender...if that's basically the reason she's been given half of her life what else would she know?

Its not a natural assumption to jump to at all. Espcially as she gave no real back up reasons for this pretty heinous accusation. I think she mentioned his age as a reason why she figured hed be bigoted against her. which ironically is a little bigotted too. I respect the fact shes been through hell and highwater to have a sex change. I also respect the fact she has probably been bullied like hell. But its wrong to jump to conclusions like that and she should be told that. for her own sake and for rons sake. it will be interesting to see how this develops if there is no more to this story than meets the eye....lets see if ron does have an issue, bbut lets see too if lauren has issues with older people

[Pincho Paxton]

She massaged his feet, he seemed OK about that.

[Lord Of The Garden]

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Lauren is an interesting housemate and i have enjoyed much about her over the series.

But she really went down in my estimations tonight.

I thought it was a very low blow for her to suggest Ron was transphobic, it's an unfair and quite serious accusation to make of him and only after he suggested nominating her - she had never said it before then.

Worst of all - she made the accusation but with nothing at all to back it up !

I mean - quite the opposite appears true. He seems like he makes a lot of effort with her. He even had her massaging his feet the other night. Hardly the behaviour of someone who felt prejudice towards her!

Fair enough, she didn't like the fact he suggested nominating her. Like Danielle, she is obviously someone who takes nominations far too personally.

Interesting that she got the most noms tonight and judging by the other HMs reasons for nominating her, it seems she is quite self centred and inconsiderate of others which i hadn't realised. I mean, for Charlotte to complain about Lauren's dirty habits - it must be bad!

It's one thing to be messy and inconsiderate of others. Another to take it badly if HMs nominate you. But if and when they do - there's no need to resort to accusations of bigotry and prejudice for it, to Ron or any other housemate.

I thought that she was above resorting to that level of unfounded accusation, especially over noms, which are simply part of the game. She knew Ron had a label of prejudice hanging over him him when he entered the house and it felt like she played to that unfairly and it was a cheap thing to do.

[MrWong]

Ron's bigoted and xenophobic.

Wouldn't surprise me if he was transphobic too.

[DanaC]

The way she said it, it looked like she only wanted to say 'I don't think Ron is comfortable with my presence' and then Big Brother must have asked her to elaborate on this point, and then she said 'he may be transphobic'. It looked edited too me anyway

I got the impression that had been pushed for by BB too.

I think Jack makes some good points about the effect of past bullying on expectations of certain attitudes in others. Given that Ron seems to epitomise a certain kind of culture and generation, and one which is unlikely to have been particularly accepting of someone like Lauren, there may be an assumption of transphobia.

I don't get the impression he's being transphobic, though. Having seen how little awareness he seems to have about his comments around race I'm pretty sure he'd have said something Godawful by now, if that was his problem with her.

Of course, we can't see everything in the BB house. There maybe subtle cues that she is seeing and we aren't. But...I just don't get that impression of Ron from the way he interacts with her. I get more of a sense of that (just a sense, nothing specific that's been said) from Bruce.

It's possible he doesn't quite know what to think of her. It's possible he doesn't quite get the transgender thing. Not getting something, not really understanding what it truly means and even being mildly suspicious of that state of being, is not the same as being transphobic.

If anything he seems to have made an effort to get to know her.

But if she is essentially expecting him to be hostile on those grounds, then maybe she is misreading a wholly different unease.

[Beso]

Lauren is right to have her opinion. Whether i agree or not doesn't really matter. She is entitled as is Ron to say what they both feel. Both are great housemates and will be staying anyways so none of it matters.

not when it's slanderous she hasn't. and that was slanderous.

[DanaC]

No it wasn't. She didn't say he is transphobic, she said he may be.

[Niamh.]

No it wasn't. She didn't say he is transphobic, she said he may be.

I don't think it's a nice thing to accuse someone of to the whole viewing audience though just because he suggested her for a nomination and she had nothing to back it up either

[DanaC]

I agree. I'm just saying it wasn't slanderous.

[south12345]

Tut Tut Lauren....have some facts before you spout off about others being trans phobic...Ron may not be your best friend in there but be careful as to what you accuse others of being.

[Northern Monkey]

Right I was in two minds about making this thread but oh well here goes..

I didn't like the way Lauren basically accused Ron of being transphobic while she was nominating him, what if he just genuinely dislikes her as a person?

And I'm wondering if anyone that openly says they don't like her is going to be accused of that too? :shrug:

I agree.You can't go around calling people anything 'phobic' without good reason.It makes people wary about saying anything negative or getting into an argument with the person who is throwing that accusation out there.It is a dirty tactic,Just like what Gina did to Jemima.I thought the same when i saw it too.She had no reason to say that.

[Cherie]

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Lauren is an interesting housemate and i have enjoyed much about her over the series.

But she really went down in my estimations tonight.

I thought it was a very low blow for her to suggest Ron was transphobic, it's an unfair and quite serious accusation to make of him and only after he suggested nominating her - she had never said it before then.

Worst of all - she made the accusation but with nothing at all to back it up !

I mean - quite the opposite appears true. He seems like he makes a lot of effort with her. He even had her massaging his feet the other night. Hardly the behaviour of someone who felt prejudice towards her!

Fair enough, she didn't like the fact he suggested nominating her. Like Danielle, she is obviously someone who takes nominations far too personally.

Interesting that she got the most noms tonight and judging by the other HMs reasons for nominating her, it seems she is quite self centred and inconsiderate of others which i hadn't realised. I mean, for Charlotte to complain about Lauren's dirty habits - it must be bad!

It's one thing to be messy and inconsiderate of others. Another to take it badly if HMs nominate you. But if and when they do - there's no need to resort to accusations of bigotry and prejudice for it, to Ron or any other housemate.

I thought that she was above resorting to that level of unfounded accusation, especially over noms, which are simply part of the game. She knew Ron had a label of prejudice hanging over him him when he entered the house and it felt like she played to that unfairly and it was a cheap thing to do.


Great post, my first thought when Lauren said that was she was playing the transphobic card. Ron merely suggested putting her up, Vicky gave him the final say and he went for Louie, maybe he is homophobic as well, and if he nominated Carol he would be a misogynist etc etc. I didn't like her doing that at all, and the other thing I didn't like was Ron and Vicky just getting to choose one HM for eviction, they should have been allowed to pick a second one like all the others, the outcome may not have been any different but at least we would have seen a bit more of their thinking.

[DanaC]

It's also virtually impossible to defend yourself from that accusation.

[Beso]

I agree. I'm just saying it wasn't slanderous.

ah, ok..:thumbs:

[Lostie!]

As a Lauren fan, I didn't like this. It's not fair to play these cards without real reason. Gina pulling the race card angered me, so I can't be a hypocrite and say nothing when a housemate I support does something similar.

[Lord Of The Garden]

Ron's bigoted and xenophobic.

Wouldn't surprise me if he was transphobic too.

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The thing that's wrong with bigots is how they look down on other people and then make these exaggerated, sweeping, negative judgments about them.

Funnily enough, that's just what you've done about Ron.

[DanaC]

I'm just watching last nights BOTS on catchup, and in the diary room bit where the nominees answer questions, Ron's body language was interesting, particularly as they were leaving. The way he put his hand on her arm and so on, suggests he is interacting with her as he would with any woman.

[Cherie]

I'm just watching last nights BOTS on catchup, and in the diary room bit where the nominees answer questions, Ron's body language was interesting, particularly as they were leaving. The way he put his hand on her arm and so on, suggests he is interacting with her as he would with any woman.

Yes I noticed that as well, and he stood back to let her out the DR room door before him.

[Ellen]

Yes I noticed that as well, and he stood back to let her out the DR room door before him.

Yes and when sat in the DM chair he had his arm round the back when sat next to Lauren, very open & comfortable.

[Jack_]

I'm just watching last nights BOTS on catchup, and in the diary room bit where the nominees answer questions, Ron's body language was interesting, particularly as they were leaving. The way he put his hand on her arm and so on, suggests he is interacting with her as he would with any woman.

But on the same note I noticed two occasions last night where Lauren gave him a hug putting both arms around him and he put his right arm on her waist and left his left arm static by his side...I picked up on that, that's not a hug.

[DanaC]

He may not be one of life's huggers :p

[Cherie]

But on the same note I noticed two occasions last night where Lauren gave him a hug putting both arms around him and he put his right arm on her waist and left his left arm static by his side...I picked up on that, that's not a hug.


I don't think Ron is the huggy type, I think he did this with someone else as well, maybe Charlotte?

[Niamh.]

Yeah, I'd echo Dana and Cherie. Jack it almost sounds like you want Ron to be transphobic. He really hasn't done anything to suggest that he is and it was unfair of Lauren to say that about him

[Jack_]

Why would I want anyone to be transphobic? That doesn't make sense :conf:

It wasn't out of order, it was completely understandable given her background...I've already explained this. If Mario had made the accusation then yes it would have been unfair, but from a transgender who will have experienced much rejection and discrimination for that very reason? Perfectly understandable for her to assume that anyone that dislikes her may do so because of who she is, almost as if it's a conditioned mentality for her. It's quite easy for us to sit here and go 'how rude and unfair!!!' but we're not the ones that have faced a decade of prejudice for being transgender.

[Niamh.]

Why would I want anyone to be transphobic? That doesn't make sense :conf:

It wasn't out of order, it was completely understandable given her background...I've already explained this. If Mario had made the accusation then yes it would have been unfair, but from a transgender who will have experienced much rejection and discrimination for that very reason? Perfectly understandable for her to assume that anyone that dislikes her may do so because of who she is, almost as if it's a conditioned mentality for her. It's quite easy for us to sit here and go 'how rude and unfair!!!' but we're not the ones that have faced a decade of prejudice for being transgender.

lol

[Cherie]

Why would I want anyone to be transphobic? That doesn't make sense :conf:

It wasn't out of order, it was completely understandable given her background...I've already explained this. If Mario had made the accusation then yes it would have been unfair, but from a transgender who will have experienced much rejection and discrimination for that very reason? Perfectly understandable for her to assume that anyone that dislikes her may do so because of who she is, almost as if it's a conditioned mentality for her. It's quite easy for us to sit here and go 'how rude and unfair!!!' but we're not the ones that have faced a decade of prejudice for being transgender.

So you agree she may be paranoid, honestly most people have too much going on in their day to day lives to worry about Lauren and her sex change. Every single person in this world will encounter prejudice at some point in life whether that be because of their race, gender, job, accent, hair colour whatever, you just learn to live with it. The problem with Lauren is that she doesn't seem very happy in her own skin that is my view at any rate.

[the truth]

Why would I want anyone to be transphobic? That doesn't make sense :conf:

It wasn't out of order, it was completely understandable given her background...I've already explained this. If Mario had made the accusation then yes it would have been unfair, but from a transgender who will have experienced much rejection and discrimination for that very reason? Perfectly understandable for her to assume that anyone that dislikes her may do so because of who she is, almost as if it's a conditioned mentality for her. It's quite easy for us to sit here and go 'how rude and unfair!!!' but we're not the ones that have faced a decade of prejudice for being transgender.

you seem to be trying to justify the unjustifiable , that is to wrongly accuses someone of being a transphobic with no evidence. even accounting for the difficulties she may have suffered, lauren was way out of order here. you just cant go around calling people bigots with no evidence

[Josy]

Why would I want anyone to be transphobic? That doesn't make sense :conf:

It wasn't out of order, it was completely understandable given her background...I've already explained this. If Mario had made the accusation then yes it would have been unfair, but from a transgender who will have experienced much rejection and discrimination for that very reason? Perfectly understandable for her to assume that anyone that dislikes her may do so because of who she is, almost as if it's a conditioned mentality for her. It's quite easy for us to sit here and go 'how rude and unfair!!!' but we're not the ones that have faced a decade of prejudice for being transgender.

FGS :joker:

If people believe she was out of order then they are perfectly entitled to do so it doesn't matter what you have explained.

Lauren only accused Ron after he mentioned they should put her up for nomination, if she was getting vibes of him being transphobic she would have mentioned before that, regardless of her being transgender it still doesn't give her a right to go around accusing people of that without anything to back it up.

[Jack_]

lol

Well...I have...in two posts. And it's a perfectly valid point I've raised too, I've not seen anyone disagree with it?

If you have experienced a decade of rejection as a result of people's transphobia, if somebody new comes along and gives off the impression or says that they don't like you, you are going to naturally assume it's because of the reason the majority of people have given in the past. That's just natural, a bit like if someone had been bullied for a psychical attribute they'd then assume that people in future that didn't like them were judging them on that. It's just a natural assumption because it's practically been conditioned into your mind.

[Josy]

I think that's bull**** tbh ^^

[the truth]

Well...I have...in two posts. And it's a perfectly valid point I've raised too, I've not seen anyone disagree with it?

If you have experienced a decade of rejection as a result of people's transphobia, if somebody new comes along and gives off the impression or says that they don't like you, you are going to naturally assume it's because of the reason the majority of people have given in the past. That's just natural, a bit like if someone had been bullied for a psychical attribute they'd then assume that people in future that didn't like them were judging them on that. It's just a natural assumption because it's practically been conditioned into your mind.


Thats a very disturbing post which is borderline inverted bigotry. No you should not assume bigotry nor accuse people of bigotry without solid evidence, which she clearly hasn't got. she should be asked to justify her accusation to big brother or apologise or leave.

[Jack_]

Well it's not :shrug:

I'm pretty sure people like Katie Piper may fear or get the impression that people don't like her/them because of their appearance. I'm sorry but if you are bullied for a specific thing it will stick in your mind and you'll automatically assume everyone is going to dislike you for the same reason.

If someone who hasn't experienced bullying found someone that disliked them they'd wonder and perhaps ask why, 'well is it my personality?'...'my work ethic?'...'the way I look?'...'what is it?', but if you've been disliked for the best part of your life for one particular reason, it's entirely understandable you would assume people dislike you for the same reason. I'm sorry but that's just a natural assumption to make given the circumstances.

[Niamh.]

Well...I have...in two posts. And it's a perfectly valid point I've raised too, I've not seen anyone disagree with it?

If you have experienced a decade of rejection as a result of people's transphobia, if somebody new comes along and gives off the impression or says that they don't like you, you are going to naturally assume it's because of the reason the majority of people have given in the past. That's just natural, a bit like if someone had been bullied for a psychical attribute they'd then assume that people in future that didn't like them were judging them on that. It's just a natural assumption because it's practically been conditioned into your mind.

Give me a ****ing break Jack, people need to take responsibility for themselves no matter what their background, you can't go through life hiding behind the "I've had a tough life routine" What she said about Ron could cause massive problems for him if people latched on to it. That's a very unfair thing to do to someone without having any valid reason for doing so

[Kizzy]

Katie Piper, How on earth is she relevant to the discussion?
The term transphobia is not a one size fits all accusation... Ron as far as we know has done nothing to warrant being described as such.

[Vicky.]

I think it is absolutely ridiculous to assume that just because someone dislikes a transgendered person, its because they are transphobic. Its utterly backwards thinking IMO. So everyone is required to like anyone who could be considered 'different' incase they are accused of not liking them BECAUSE they are different. Positive discrimination at its best.

[Ellen]

They seem to know that Lauren & Sophie have not hit it off but Lauren has not accused Sophie of been transphobic (i dont think so anyway) but she accuses Ron of it after he said he would nominate her for been untidy & lazy. I think Lauren made that remark because she assumed after Ron's remarks in the past he would have a problem with her. Ron nominating her allowed Lauren to voice her assumption.

[Niamh.]

I think it is absolutely ridiculous to assume that just because someone dislikes a transgendered person, its because they are transphobic. Its utterly backwards thinking IMO. So everyone is required to like anyone who could be considered 'different' incase they are accused of not liking them BECAUSE they are different. Positive discrimination at its best.

Exactly.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Arent we all a little transphobic/racist ect?

Im sure we have all had a non malicious joke about gay people, black people and trans people.

I know I have.

Rin is just a normal guy and it must be strange for him to be living with Louie and Lauren to be honest.

Lauren is known for slating people on BOTS anyway so shes the same.

I would never hate on someone for their sexuality, gender, race but **** it we all judge inside.

[Livia]

I think it is absolutely ridiculous to assume that just because someone dislikes a transgendered person, its because they are transphobic. Its utterly backwards thinking IMO. So everyone is required to like anyone who could be considered 'different' incase they are accused of not liking them BECAUSE they are different. Positive discrimination at its best.

I don't like Lauren, and I totally agree with the OP and with Vicky's post here. I actually do feel a little sorry for her, she's obviously really messed up and full of issues. But I still don't like her.

[Jack_]

I'd also like to point out she said 'he MIGHT be transphobic' not that he definitely is, which makes her natural assumption even more reasonable. I'm not saying it's a totally fair thing for her to say, I'm saying I can understand why she would assume that and how it's reasonable. There's a difference. And I also agree with MM&I that BB probably forced it out of her by getting her to elaborate, they do that all the time.

Also before somebody accuses me of being a bigot and not giving Ron a chance (:rolleyes: seriously getting on my nerves), I had no idea who he was before he went in and like every celebrity, I always start them on a clean slate and judge them based upon what they do in the house...if George Shelley went in for example and was a dullard I'd want him out just as I normally do. I heard about the n word incident a week ago, and as I usually am with these kind of things...I believe in giving people second chances and not giving them a label for the entire life. So I was willing to be open minded and I was, he seemed inoffensive but a total bore and that hasn't changed. However that comment that he was warned for was questionable IMO and I'm afraid I do worry what kind of views he has locked up in his mind that he's confessed he's 'keeping a lid on', and I worry actually for his sake that perhaps he should leave before he ends up tarnishing his career further. The way he acted with Dustin last night was so unnecessarily rude and arrogant that it's only furthered my suspicions, and his 'we invented a language so use it' was on the cusp of being xenophobic. Now you add this to his apparent want to see Lauren face eviction to gauge public opinion (a fair but unusual reason) and I'm afraid I'm now like I said starting to worry about what he's thinking. This has nothing to do with me as I was willing to give him a chance, it's his own doing.

I don't dislike the man, I just think he's a dullard and needs to leave before he says something worse and cements the end of his career.

[Marsh.]

It wasn't out of order, it was completely understandable given her background...I've already explained this.

It explains her behaviour, but it doesn't make it right. Not at all. It's still a terrible thing to be doing and something she needs to learn.

[Jack_]

I think it is absolutely ridiculous to assume that just because someone dislikes a transgendered person, its because they are transphobic. Its utterly backwards thinking IMO. So everyone is required to like anyone who could be considered 'different' incase they are accused of not liking them BECAUSE they are different. Positive discrimination at its best.

I agree with this and have never said I don't. If somebody doesn't like a transgender, it's not fair to assume it's because of who they are...on that I agree. What I'm saying is people need to see this from Lauren's perspective who is transgender and will naturally assume that the reason people dislike her is because they are potentially transphobic, and that is because of the discrimination and rejection she'll have received for that very reason and (mostly) that reason alone. People need to put themselves into her mindset having experienced what she will have and if for a decade people haven't liked her because she's transgender, if someone new doesn't like her...then she's going to assume it's for the same reason. It will be conditioned to her mind.

That doesn't make it right I'll agree on that, but it makes it understandable. And more reasonable than if you or I were to accuse someone of it as your post is about.

[Jack_]

It explains her behaviour, but it doesn't make it right. Not at all. It's still a terrible thing to be doing and something she needs to learn.

Well okay, on that I can agree. She needs to learn it yes but it's going to be difficult for her when it's all she knows.

That's all I'm trying to get people to understand...her mindset and how it will have been conditioned due to her experiences.

[Kizzy]

I'd also like to point out she said 'he MIGHT be transphobic' not that he definitely is, which makes her natural assumption even more reasonable. I'm not saying it's a totally fair thing for her to say, I'm saying I can understand why she would assume that and how it's reasonable. There's a difference. And I also agree with MM&I that BB probably forced it out of her by getting her to elaborate, they do that all the time.

Also before somebody accuses me of being a bigot and not giving Ron a chance (:rolleyes: seriously getting on my nerves), I had no idea who he was before he went in and like every celebrity, I always start them on a clean slate and judge them based upon what they do in the house...if George Shelley went in for example and was a dullard I'd want him out just as I normally do. I heard about the n word incident a week ago, and as I usually am with these kind of things...I believe in giving people second chances and not giving them a label for the entire life. So I was willing to be open minded and I was, he seemed inoffensive but a total bore and that hasn't changed. However that comment that he was warned for was questionable IMO and I'm afraid I do worry what kind of views he has locked up in his mind that he's confessed he's 'keeping a lid on', and I worry actually for his sake that perhaps he should leave before he ends up tarnishing his career further. The way he acted with Dustin last night was so unnecessarily rude and arrogant that it's only furthered my suspicions, and his 'we invented a language so use it' was on the cusp of being xenophobic. Now you add this to his apparent want to see Lauren face eviction to gauge public opinion (a fair but unusual reason) and I'm afraid I'm now like I said starting to worry about what he's thinking. This has nothing to do with me as I was willing to give him a chance, it's his own doing.

I don't dislike the man, I just think he's a dullard and needs to leave before he says something worse and cements the end of his career.

So basically you just don't like the guy?
On the cusp of being xenophobic? Once again there is no such thing, you either are or you are not... It's unfair to imply these things with little or no evidence.

[Jack_]

Katie Piper, How on earth is she relevant to the discussion?
The term transphobia is not a one size fits all accusation... Ron as far as we know has done nothing to warrant being described as such.

Um...because I was making a point that if you have a personal defect that affects you deeply and makes you insecure and people have mocked you for it, you're going to assume naturally in future that if someone doesn't like you it's because of that reason. Which is akin to Lauren experiencing rejection for being transgender.

If a child is bullied for one specific thing for three years, they'll assume people will dislike them for it in the future. That's just natural.

Did you even read the post itself or did you just see her name and decide to write that post?

[the truth]

Well okay, on that I can agree. She needs to learn it yes but it's going to be difficult for her when it's all she knows.

That's all I'm trying to get people to understand...her mindset and how it will have been conditioned due to her experiences.

so isn't that allowing people to discriminate because they've been conditioned by their experiences? that therefore would condone racism and discrimination as an inevitable by product of a persons ....lauren like all people must take responsibility for their own actions.

[Pincho Paxton]

Jack seems to be Heterosexist!

[chuff me dizzy]

I think its a tad arrogant to make yourself into the Uk spokesman for all gays,transgenders that go in BB ,as we have all seen over the years people who just dont happen to like a housemate because they are a pratt ,and if that pratt just happens to be gay !! Jesus wept ,you get every name under the sun thrown your way ,same if they are black or in my case American ,when I dont genuinely like a person I can assure you its not because of their colour,origin of birth, or sexuality ,its because they are a pratt ....accept ,arrogance is an awful trait and you get nowhere in life if you think everything you say is right and everyone else is wrong

[chuff me dizzy]

Jack seems to be Heterosexist!

:thumbs:

[Kizzy]

Um...because I was making a point that if you have a personal defect that affects you deeply and makes you insecure and people have mocked you for it, you're going to assume naturally in future that if someone doesn't like you it's because of that reason. Which is akin to Lauren experiencing rejection for being transgender.

If a child is bullied for one specific thing for three years, they'll assume people will dislike them for it in the future. That's just natural.

Did you even read the post itself or did you just see her name and decide to write that post?

Of course I read the whole post jack no need to be rude as I don't agree with you, nobody in the whole thread can see a point to your fuzzy logic on this issue.
You cannot paint all victims of bullying or crime with the same brush and assume they all react in a similar mindset in social situations, it makes no sense.

[the truth]

Jack seems to be Heterosexist!

I agree I also think jack is heterosexist as he is making deep rooted bigoted assumptions about heterosexuals with no evidence. Its deeply disturbing. He is not the only one on here either and Im glad this has been exposed.

[the truth]

Of course I read the whole post jack no need to be rude as I don't agree with you, nobody in the whole thread can see a point to your fuzzy logic on this issue.
You cannot paint all victims of bullying or crime with the same brush and assume they all react in a similar mindset in social situations, it makes no sense.

It is an unbelievable level of ignorant assumptions.

[Jack_]

Jack seems to be Heterosexist!

Are you taking the ****ing piss? Do you have any evidence for this?

Pretty sure if I was heterosexist all my friends wouldn't be straight and I wouldn't prefer women myself :rolleyes:

And Chuff...you can give me some evidence that I'm heterosexist too thanks, seeing as you really know me in real life.

[chuff me dizzy]

Are you taking the ****ing piss? Do you have any evidence for this?

Pretty sure if I was heterosexist all my friends wouldn't be straight and I wouldn't prefer women myself :rolleyes:

And Chuff...you can give me some evidence that I'm heterosexist too thanks, seeing as you really know me in real life.

Dont demand anything from me Jack ,you know you are onto a a loser

[Kizzy]

Are you taking the ****ing piss? Do you have any evidence for this?

Pretty sure if I was heterosexist all my friends wouldn't be straight and I wouldn't prefer women myself :rolleyes:

And Chuff...you can give me some evidence that I'm heterosexist too thanks, seeing as you really know me in real life.

Stick to the topic jack, you have made some spectacular claims as to chuffs character on here over the last few weeks , so I suggest if you don't like to be labelled don't label others.

[chuff me dizzy]

Stick to the topic jack, you have made some spectacular claims as to chuffs character on here over the last few weeks , so I suggest if you don't like to be labelled don't label others.

Dead right ,how many times a day can someone label everyone as homophobic who doesnt kiss ass with a gay housemate before they look like they are hounding folks?

[the truth]

Are you taking the ****ing piss? Do you have any evidence for this?

Pretty sure if I was heterosexist all my friends wouldn't be straight and I wouldn't prefer women myself :rolleyes:

And Chuff...you can give me some evidence that I'm heterosexist too thanks, seeing as you really know me in real life.

This whole thread is proof enough.

[DanaC]

Umm...Jack didn't seem to be saying Lauren was right to make that accusation. Just that it is understandable that her expectations may be skewed by past experience.

I can totally relate to that. As a kid I was bullied fairly relentlessly for most of my school life, because I had very severe and disfiguring eczema. Strangers used to stare at me. Small children on buses wuold ask their parents, in loud voices, 'what's wrong with that girl's face?'. As a very small child, I experienced the parents of other small children pulling their little ones away from me 'in case they caught it'.

When I was in my late teens/early 20s, though the eczema was no longer so apparent, and particularly not apparent on my face, if someone looked atme on a bus or in the street, it would never, in a million years have occurred to me that they might be looking because they thought I was pretty. Even if a lad looked at me, I'd assume he was looking because I was ugly, or because they could see the (by now very faint) signs of eczema.

It took me a long time to stop making that assumption of people.

You do become conditioned to the responses you've been used to from other people.

[Pincho Paxton]

Umm...Jack didn't seem to be saying Lauren was right to make that accusation. Just that it is understandable that her expectations may be skewed by past experience.

I can totally relate to that. As a kid I was bullied fairly relentlessly for most of my school life, because I had very severe and disfiguring eczema. Strangers used to stare at me. Small children on buses wuold ask their parents, in loud voices, 'what's wrong with that girl's face?'. As a very small child, I experienced the parents of other small children pulling their little ones away from me 'in case they caught it'.

When I was in my late teens/early 20s, though the eczema was no longer so apparent, and particularly not apparent on my face, if someone looked atme on a bus or in the street, it would never, in a million years have occurred to me that they might be looking because they thought I was pretty. Even if a lad looked at me, I'd assume he was looking because I was ugly, or because they could see the (by now very faint) signs of eczema.

You do become conditioned to the responses you've been used to from other people.

I know, but I have been attacked, and banned already, and I am on Lauren's side, so something is wrong here.

[Jack_]

Umm...Jack didn't seem to be saying Lauren was right to make that accusation. Just that it is understandable that her expectations may be skewed by past experience.

I can totally relate to that. As a kid I was bullied fairly relentlessly for most of my school life, because I had very severe and disfiguring eczema. Strangers used to stare at me. Small children on buses wuold ask their parents, in loud voices, 'what's wrong with that girl's face?'. As a very small child, I experienced the parents of other small children pulling their little ones away from me 'in case they caught it'.

When I was in my late teens/early 20s, though the eczema was no longer so apparent, and particularly not apparent on my face, if someone looked atme on a bus or in the street, it would never, in a million years have occurred to me that they might be looking because they thought I was pretty. Even if a lad looked at me, I'd assume he was looking because I was ugly, or because they could see the (by now very faint) signs of eczema.

It took me a long time to stop making that assumption of people.

You do become conditioned to the responses you've been used to from other people.

THANK YOU :love:

This is precisely the point I've been trying to make, but you've made it much more articulately than I've been able to. Thanks.

[the truth]

Umm...Jack didn't seem to be saying Lauren was right to make that accusation. Just that it is understandable that her expectations may be skewed by past experience.

I can totally relate to that. As a kid I was bullied fairly relentlessly for most of my school life, because I had very severe and disfiguring eczema. Strangers used to stare at me. Small children on buses wuold ask their parents, in loud voices, 'what's wrong with that girl's face?'. As a very small child, I experienced the parents of other small children pulling their little ones away from me 'in case they caught it'.

When I was in my late teens/early 20s, though the eczema was no longer so apparent, and particularly not apparent on my face, if someone looked atme on a bus or in the street, it would never, in a million years have occurred to me that they might be looking because they thought I was pretty. Even if a lad looked at me, I'd assume he was looking because I was ugly, or because they could see the (by now very faint) signs of eczema.

It took me a long time to stop making that assumption of people.

You do become conditioned to the responses you've been used to from other people.

In fairness you have worded that well and far better than anything jack said
It is still wrong however to label someone phobic with no evidence, probably worse to do so on national telly.
ps I completely empathise and sympthise with your plight. children and people can be cruel, especially when its a disability they can see. it must have been very hard for you and despite everyone thinking im a mysoginist on here for fighting for mens rights. I have a big heart and I offer you a huge cyber hug. if you ever want to pm me for a chat I will always respind, as believe it or not I am actually sincere.:hugesmile:

[Kizzy]

THANK YOU :love:

This is precisely the point I've been trying to make, but you've made it much more articulately than I've been able to. Thanks.

That is only one example of that jack it does'nt prove it in all cases or excuse lauren in this instance, in this environment all comments are put under a microscope and scrutinised to the n'th degree by the media.She was wrong to say that comment as mud sticks, it was a totally unsubstantiated assumption that may cause this man problems I feel that is totally unfair.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Why is it that whenever TheTruth comes into a thread it turns into people arguing about sexism/homo/hetrophobia?

Just an observation.

Planting seeds?

[DanaC]

@ the truth: aww, thanks m'dear. Cyber hugs are always nice *smiles*

[Pincho Paxton]

Why is it that whenever TheTruth comes into a thread it turns into people arguing about sexism/homo/hetrophobia?

Just an observation.

Planting seeds?

The thread is about a seed planted by Lauren. It will swing too and fro between the seed, and defending the seed. That's what happens in a topic about a seed.

[chuff me dizzy]

Why is it that whenever TheTruth comes into a thread it turns into people arguing about sexism/homo/hetrophobia?

Just an observation.

Planting seeds?

Youve got the wrong one there Daniel

[daniel-lewis-1985]

The thread is about a seed planted by Lauren. It will swing too and fro between the seed, and defending the seed. That's what happens in a topic about a seed.

Stop saying seed so much.

Its making me wet.

[Jack_]

Nevermind. Over it

[Vicky.]

I know, but I have been attacked, and banned already, and I am on Lauren's side, so something is wrong here.

You were banned for referring to lauren as a shemale. And for bringing up your infraction for that on the main board.

[Pincho Paxton]

You were banned for referring to lauren as a shemale. And for bringing up your infraction for that on the main board.

I know, but I was only defending myself. I have to be perfect, and scientific about everything. I can't call Lauren an actual woman because it is a lie.

[Kizzy]

I know, but I was only defending myself. I have to be perfect, and scientific about everything. I can't call Lauren an actual woman because it is a lie.

Shemale isn't perfect, the correct term is transgendered.

[Livia]

I know, but I was only defending myself. I have to be perfect, and scientific about everything. I can't call Lauren an actual woman because it is a lie.

Call her a transsexual then. It's accurate and non-offensive.

[Pincho Paxton]

Call her a transsexual then. It's accurate and non-offensive.

It's not a gender to me, it's more like a description of an operation. It doesn't fit well.

[Marsh.]

I know, but I was only defending myself. I have to be perfect, and scientific about everything. I can't call Lauren an actual woman because it is a lie.

It's not a gender to me, it's more like a description of an operation. It doesn't fit well.

Shemale is not scientific. Nor is it a gender.

So you're contradicting yourself. Either you want to refer to her accurately or you don't?

Poor reasoning for using an offensive term.

[Pincho Paxton]

Shemale isn't perfect, the correct term is transgendered.

Probably. I will try to use that, I didn't remember the word originally.

[Pincho Paxton]

Shemale is not scientific. Nor is it a gender.

So you're contradicting yourself. Either you want to refer to her accurately or you don't?

Poor reasoning for using an offensive term.

Shemale is two genders combined, which is correct. Offensive doesn't really matter so long as it's accurate.

[Marsh.]

despite everyone thinking im a mysoginist on here for fighting for mens rights.

Perhaps you should stop fighting for men's rights then and start championing equality.

Demonising the opposite sex to try and right a few wrongs doesn't solve anything.

[Marsh.]

Shemale is two genders combined, which is correct. Offensive doesn't really matter so long as it's accurate.

If you want to be accurate, "shemale" is a man with male genitalia and breast implants who calls himself and dresses as a woman.

Lauren doesn't have male genitalia.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Perhaps you should stop fighting for men's rights then and start championing equality.

Demonising the opposite sex to try and right a few wrongs doesn't solve anything.

YES!!!

Love this post lol.

Sick of all these mens rights threads.

[Alf]

You were banned for referring to lauren as a shemale.
Pincho was banned for that? seriously?

Deary, deary me

[Jack_]

'Shemale' is an offensive term in any context, the correct term for what 08marsh described (he was right though) would be 'hermaphrodite'

Using words like 'shemale', 'ladyboy' 'he/she' (the one they wish not to be referred to as), 'it', '******' among others to describe transgenders are offensive and disrespectful

Shemale is two genders combined, which is correct. Offensive doesn't really matter so long as it's accurate.

Except it does...because being offensive isn't acceptable

[Roy Mars III]

In fairness you have worded that well and far better than anything jack said
It is still wrong however to label someone phobic with no evidence, probably worse to do so on national telly.
ps I completely empathise and sympthise with your plight. children and people can be cruel, especially when its a disability they can see. it must have been very hard for you and despite everyone thinking im a mysoginist on here for fighting for mens rights. I have a big heart and I offer you a huge cyber hug. if you ever want to pm me for a chat I will always respind, as believe it or not I am actually sincere.:hugesmile:

do not worry truth, many like myself appreciate your support

[Livia]

Perhaps you should stop fighting for men's rights then and start championing equality.

Demonising the opposite sex to try and right a few wrongs doesn't solve anything.

Great post, marsh...

[Kizzy]

Perhaps you should stop fighting for men's rights then and start championing equality.

Demonising the opposite sex to try and right a few wrongs doesn't solve anything.

That would make perfect sense, well said!

[Pincho Paxton]

If you want to be accurate, "shemale" is a man with male genitalia and breast implants who calls himself and dresses as a woman.

Lauren doesn't have male genitalia.

Reading something does not make it correct. I have to be correct myself.

[MrWong]

*

The thing that's wrong with bigots is how they look down on other people and then make these exaggerated, sweeping, negative judgments about them.

Funnily enough, that's just what you've done about Ron.

:conf:

Calling someone out for their bigotry doesn't mean that I'm bigoted.

[Marsh.]

Reading something does not make it correct. I have to be correct myself.

What makes you right and everyone else wrong?

The fact you openly admit you don't care about being offensive says everything really.

[Pincho Paxton]

'Shemale' is an offensive term in any context, the correct term for what 08marsh described (he was right though) would be 'hermaphrodite'

Using words like 'shemale', 'ladyboy' 'he/she' (the one they wish not to be referred to as), 'it', '******' among others to describe transgenders are offensive and disrespectful



Except it does...because being offensive isn't acceptable

Trying to plant lies into peoples vocabulary is not healthy for people. It messes your head up. I have to be accurate.

[Pincho Paxton]

What makes you right and everyone else wrong?

The fact you openly admit you don't care about being offensive says everything really.

It is having a perfect vocabulary that makes me right, and everybody else wrong. I only store perfect information in my head, so only perfect information comes from my lips.

Here's a link...

http://greatestminds.freeforums.net/thread/33/clarity-super-guess

[Marsh.]

It is having a perfect vocabulary that makes me right, and everybody else wrong. I only store perfect information in my head, so only perfect information comes from my lips.

Here's a link...

http://greatestminds.freeforums.net/thread/33/clarity-super-guess

So you're a troll? Good to know.

:xyxwave:

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Pincho was banned for that? seriously?

Deary, deary me

I know I shouldnt bring up infractions here but it has become a lot stricter.

Ive been banned a total of 3 weeks this year and literally in retaliation to comments claiming I was a heterophobe. and that member wasn't banned at all.

Still posts the same offensive comments.

Please don't infract me for this comment lol I am a very productive forum member ;)

[Pincho Paxton]

So you're a troll? Good to know.

:xyxwave:

Troll is another word that is used incorrectly.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Troll is another word that is used incorrectly.

How so?

Give us the exact definition of troll.

Words evolve and have multiple meanings you know.

[Marsh.]

Troll is another word that is used incorrectly.

In your parallel universe maybe.

[fingers]

It is having a perfect vocabulary that makes me right, and everybody else wrong. I only store perfect information in my head, so only perfect information comes from my lips.

Here's a link...

http://greatestminds.freeforums.net/thread/33/clarity-super-guessI got this far before giving up! "Everyone has banned me from their sites. They do worse than ignore me, they kill the one chance for science to evolve"

[Pincho Paxton]

How so?

Give us the exact definition of troll.

Words evolve and have multiple meanings you know.

Well, I was linking to an explanation of why I use certain words, and not others. The link was important to the current topic. Troll is such a new word, that people throw it around without having used it in childhood. So it isn't used when it is needed. It's like the new swear word, a word of attack, when it is supposed to be a word to nullify arguments.

[Beso]

I got an infaraction for wondering if lauren would have a mans bum, I still wanna know.

[Marsh.]

Well, I was linking to an explanation of why I use certain words, and not others. The link was important to the current topic. Troll is such a new word, that people throw it around without having used it in childhood. So it isn't used when it is needed. It's like the new swear word, a word of attack, when it is supposed to be a word to nullify arguments.

A link which rambles on self indulgently about how people never move forward and always live in the past. Except your perfect self.

Then you continue to use outdated terms and refuse to move forward with our evolving language and society.

Irony would be too mild a term.

[Marsh.]

I got an infaraction for wondering if lauren would have a mans bum, I still wanna know.

Why? Do you wonder about intimate information about everyone?

[Livia]

A link which rambles on self indulgently about how people never move forward and always live in the past. Except your perfect self.

Then you continue to use outdated terms and refuse to move forward with our evolving language and society.

Irony would be too mild a term.

You're on fire today, marsh.

[Beso]

Why? Do you wonder about intimate information about everyone?

No, not at all. I just think it would be daft to go through all that surgery turning your penis inside out into a vagina if you're still going to have a big hairy asshole.:conf:

[Beso]

Why? Do you wonder about intimate information about everyone?

Or like all men if she has her thingummy bit inside her bum as well as her clitoris..cause that would be cool.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Well, I was linking to an explanation of why I use certain words, and not others. The link was important to the current topic. Troll is such a new word, that people throw it around without having used it in childhood. So it isn't used when it is needed. It's like the new swear word, a word of attack, when it is supposed to be a word to nullify arguments.

But you were saying you were always correct for using correct punctuation yet now acknowledge you are wrong in saying what you said about the word troll.

Like I said words change, evolve and have multiple meanings....Gay was happy in the 50's for example.

All major news channels and journalists use this word now referring to online bullies and spammers.

[Pincho Paxton]

But you were saying you were always correct for using correct punctuation yet now acknowledge you are wrong in saying what you said about the word troll.

Like I said words change, evolve and have multiple meanings....Gay was happy in the 50's for example.

All major news channels and journalists use this word now referring to online bullies and spammers.

I wasn't doing either...

I only want to talk about Big Brother anyway. So my explanation is over.

[Indy]

On the off chance that this thread ever gets back on track, do people make a distinction between making an accusation, and BB pressuring her into saying something that sounds kind of like an accusation because it makes a better soundbite for them? They all know they're not getting out of that room until they give BB what they want. If it was decided that playing on Ron's bigot background fit their narrative better than "he's uncomfortable around me", what was she supposed to do?

[fingers]

On the off chance that this thread ever gets back on track, do people make a distinction between making an accusation, and BB pressuring her into saying something that sounds kind of like an accusation because it makes a better soundbite for them? They all know they're not getting out of that room until they give BB what they want. If it was decided that playing on Ron's bigot background fit their narrative better than "he's uncomfortable around me", what was she supposed to do?

We'll never know the answer to that or even what secret conversations take place in the DR!

[Johnnyuk123]

Is it time for a group hug yet? :hug:

[Pincho Paxton]

On the off chance that this thread ever gets back on track, do people make a distinction between making an accusation, and BB pressuring her into saying something that sounds kind of like an accusation because it makes a better soundbite for them? They all know they're not getting out of that room until they give BB what they want. If it was decided that playing on Ron's bigot background fit their narrative better than "he's uncomfortable around me", what was she supposed to do?

BB couldn't really force her to say anything. She must have been thinking it. But we might have missed part of Ron's conversation.

[Pincho Paxton]

Is it time for a group hug yet? :hug:

I just want people to remember that I am a fan of Lauren. That's all. Whatever I say.

[Johnnyuk123]

I just want people to remember that I am a fan of Lauren. That's all. Whatever I say.

Im a fan of Lauren too, i think she's a great housemate.

[Marsh.]

You're on fire today, marsh.

Thank you. :hugesmile:

[Marsh.]

No, not at all. I just think it would be daft to go through all that surgery turning your penis inside out into a vagina if you're still going to have a big hairy asshole.:conf:

But what business is it of yours?

I never asked for explicit details on what you want to know, I'm merely asking why in hell you want to be informed of it?

[Vanessa]

I don't think Ron has a problem with Lauren. But Sophie the witch does. :hugesmile:

[Videostar]

Are you taking the ****ing piss? Do you have any evidence for this?

Pretty sure if I was heterosexist all my friends wouldn't be straight and I wouldn't prefer women myself :rolleyes:

And Chuff...you can give me some evidence that I'm heterosexist too thanks, seeing as you really know me in real life.

Can you give us any evidence that Ron is trans phobic?

[Heaven = Winner]

Although I have a huge disdain towards Ron, he hasn't really showed himself to be transphobic (if he is transphobic). Lauren just wants love and attention from everybody.

[Videostar]

From what Lauren once said (when asked about if Lauren was single or not) Lauren said that most men Lauren encounters are trans phobic....now im wondering were they trans phobic or just not interested in Lauren, or just don't want to get into a relationship with someone who wasn't born female? that IMO isn't trans phobic, but sadly Lauren does seem to enjoy labelling people with that if they don't worship the ground Lauren walks on.

[Alf]

Don't say nothing offensive about Lauren, it's not allowed

But it's fine for Lauren to offend people just because of the clothes they wear, that is allowed

[DanaC]

I think it's probably quite difficult for the res of us to understand what it might be like to have people smash your windows and beat you up for being transgender. It's bound to skew your view of the world a little.

But yes, it does make me wonder if some of the men she said had been transphobic were. Maybe she just read them that way.

At a guess she probably has encountered a lot of men who were (women also). It's quite likely that some of the men she's been interested in and who maybe were initially interested in her (she looked pretty good a few years ago) found that their interest died when they realised she was transgender.

But also quite possible that some men who weren't interested, just weren't interested :p

[Pincho Paxton]

Ron has said great thing about Lauren on BOTS, so that ends the debate in this thread.

[DanaC]

I really liked the way he was so positive about all the youngsters too. This board is full of people outraged by the careers, life style choices, behaviour or even accents of the younger housemates. People holding them up as examples of all that's wrong abou Britain or America. Ron's been completely non judgemental about them.