Bigotwatch : Bruce never had a problem with Courtney in the cage so how come he has a

[cfromhx02]

I noticed the other day how Bruce didn't accept naturally Lauren's genuinely caring hug.He looked uncomfortable (a sign of a bigot who isn't admitting so) and went red faced and quickly grabbed a cigarrette as an excuse to get away from her.

Also we all know the real truth about why Ron wanted to put up Lauren.

So in tonight's BB (which is yesterday for them in the house of course) he said he couldn't stand anyone who exhibited themselves when talking about Lauren in the cage.

No one notice he didn't have a problem with Courtney exhibiting herself in the cage and doesn't have a problem with her walking around most of the time with half her tit hanging out of her too small bikini tops.I don't have a problem with Courtney, she's a lovely girl and has a good heart.

So Bruce obviously automatically feels different about Lauren even though he's not openly saying it, his reactions about her show what he is, he is just another completely uneducated about transgendered bigot.

I've got one word for him and anyone else who insists transgendered people aren't the gender they say they are :-

Read

[Shaun]

I'm inclined to say his objection to her cage-dancing (and not Courtney) is more out of a childish "ew she's ugly" stance rather than anything you're suggesting.

[Waynoo]

Sorry but I wouldn't want to watch lauren dance half naked either. That doesn't make me a bigot.

[Videostar]

Sorry but I wouldn't want to watch lauren dance half naked either. That doesn't make me a bigot.

Hear hear.

But according to the OP we must all find Lauren attractive or we are bigots. :sleep:

[Pincho Paxton]

I noticed the other day how Bruce didn't accept naturally Lauren's genuinely caring hug.He looked uncomfortable (a sign of a bigot who isn't admitting so) and went red faced and quickly grabbed a cigarrette as an excuse to get away from her.

Also we all know the real truth about why Ron wanted to put up Lauren.

So in tonight's BB (which is yesterday for them in the house of course) he said he couldn't stand anyone who exhibited themselves when talking about Lauren in the cage.

No one notice he didn't have a problem with Courtney exhibiting herself in the cage and doesn't have a problem with her walking around most of the time with half her tit hanging out of her too small bikini tops.I don't have a problem with Courtney, she's a lovely girl and has a good heart.

So Bruce obviously automatically feels different about Lauren even though he's not openly saying it, his reactions about her show what he is, he is just another completely uneducated about transgendered bigot.

I've got one word for him and anyone else who insists transgendered people aren't the gender they say they are :-

Read

Again? Really?

[fingers]

Is it bigoted to say that anti-transphobia rants are becoming tiresome?

[Johnnyuk123]

Jealousy of a housemate gaining public popularity with each episode is grating isn't it?

[fingers]

They're jealous of Courtney?

[Pincho Paxton]

Bruce was a long way away, he might have thought it was Courtney in the cage.

[Videostar]

Jealousy of a housemate gaining public popularity with each episode is grating isn't it?

No, not as long as that HM is gaining public popularity for the right reasons, for being the best HM of that series.

If Lauren wins it wont have been an accident that Nadia, Luke A and maybe Lauren all would have won, the only 3 trans gendered people ever to enter the BB house and all 3 would have won...NO ONE is going to tell me that out of 50+ HM's that entered with them that those 3 just happened to be the best HM's of the lot.

The odds don't back that up.

[Pincho Paxton]

I wasn't a fan of Nadia. I didn't expect her to win. She had a big argument in the house as well.

[Videostar]

I wasn't a fan of Nadia. I didn't expect her to win. She had a big argument in the house as well.

Nadia could have murdered a cat in that house and everyone would still have supported Nadia....life story HM's aren't judged fairly compared to regular HM's.

[Dionkan]

I'm not a bigot, but the sight of Lauren dancing in that cage put me off my toasted cheese

[Vicky.]

Sorry but I wouldn't want to watch lauren dance half naked either. That doesn't make me a bigot.

No, but it makes him a massive hypocrite the way he said his problem was that he hates her exhibitionist behaviour...when he was loving others displaying the same behaviour ;)

[_catapult_]

Oh come on everyone lets all go read!!! ....

Transphobia, don't make me laugh, she's an ugly half-woman with serious mental issues, not everybody is going to like somebody like that, that's life, people are entitled to feel that way

[Videostar]

No, but it makes him a massive hypocrite the way he said his problem was that he hates her exhibitionist behaviour...when he was loving others displaying the same behaviour ;)

I would enjoy Courtney or Sophie cage dancing, but if Bruce got in there I'd be complaining too, does that make me a hypocrite? ...it's all about looks and what floats out boat. :devil:

[Vicky.]

I would enjoy Courtney or Sophie cage dancing, but if Bruce got in there I'd be complaining too, does that make me a hypocrite? ...it's all about looks and what floats out boat. :devil:

No you misunderstand me. He said his problem was that by cage dancing, she was being an exhibitionist and it was the exhibitionist behaviour that he disliked. While having no problem with others doing the same thing...

Had he said that he just didnt want to see it, he wouldnt be a hypocrite :laugh:

[Northern Monkey]

Courtney is sexy and attractive in the cage,Lauren is definately not.I don't find ex men attractive because i am straight.That does'nt make me a biggot,That makes me a straight man.It's Bruces perfect right to express his OPINION of what he likes to see.Calling people names like 'biggot' won't change the fact that straight men don't usually find transgender's attractive because they are straight!

[Videostar]

No you misunderstand me. He said his problem was that by cage dancing, she was being an exhibitionist and it was the exhibitionist behaviour that he disliked. While having no problem with others doing the same thing...

Had he said that he just didnt want to see it, he wouldnt be a hypocrite :laugh:

Well, maybe he didn't want to come across as being mean about Lauren's looks.

However I would have just walked into the next room and burned my eyes out with a lighter.

[Northern Monkey]

Well, maybe he didn't want to come across as being mean about Lauren's looks.

However I would have just walked into the next room and burned my eyes out with a lighter.

Lol!Brilliant!

[Vicky.]

Well, maybe he didn't want to come across as being mean about Lauren's looks.

However I would have just walked into the next room and burned my eyes out with a lighter.

I doubt it somehow. Hes not backwards in coming forwards :joker:

I cant actually believe how much I dislike him. Mind I only just found out about his past today, had I known that beforehand I probably wouldnt have been so surprised at how much of a douche he is :laugh:

[_catapult_]

@richardg, I'm sorry are you implying there is zero difference between Lauren and your wife/girlfriend/yourself ??? The vast majority of men would not want to be with somebody who used to be a man, that's just a fact and doesn't
Make them bad people or transphobic or any such nonsense.

I personally have nothing against any TG but hate the ridiculous suggestion there is no difference or that anybody who doesn't share the ops opinion is a bigot... but sure we can call her anything u find acceptable my point is the same

[Videostar]

I doubt it somehow. Hes not backwards in coming forwards :joker:

I cant actually believe how much I dislike him. Mind I only just found out about his past today, had I known that beforehand I probably wouldnt have been so surprised at how much of a douche he is :laugh:

You know about how he started drinking, right? it must have been awful to have seen that at such a young age. :(

[Vicky.]

You know about how he started drinking, right? it must have been awful to have seen that at such a young age. :(

Nope I dont. Have only read a few articles about how he treat his wife. Thats enough for me tbh. I dont have time for excuses of behaving like that.

[Videostar]

I'm sorry are you implying there is zero difference between Lauren and your wife/girlfriend/yourself ??? The vast majority of men would not want to be with somebody who used to be a man, that's just a fact and doesn't
Make them bad people or transphobic or any such nonsense.



I totally agree with you there.

If most straight people are honest they wouldn't knowingly get intimate with a trans gendered person, it doesn't mean they are nasty and they could be polite about it but it's just fact not many people would be at ease with the whole situation.

[Videostar]

Nope I dont. Have only read a few articles about how he treat his wife. Thats enough for me tbh. I dont have time for excuses of behaving like that.

He found one of the Yorkshire Ripper victim's body's...and this poor woman was slaughtered, by all accounts. :(

[RodHull]

Can see both sides of this argument...

Its true that actually I dont want to see Lauren cage dancing either, the same way I dont want to see Carol or Vicky cage dancing... nothing transphobic, just dont want to see old/ulgy people gyrating half naked on TV.

However the way Bruce presented his objections do indicate bigoted views. If its exhibitionism he dislikes then he should hate Courtney, Charlotte and Carol to some degree (she makes a show of herself every night now) But it was just Lauren, if it was just down to a looks thing why not say that??

Clearly him and Ron didn't understand or want to be around Lauren, I doubt either wish her any harm but they are what they are, old fashioned misogynists with outdated views from a bygone era.

[Vicky.]

I disagree completely with the OPs obsession with putting every little thing down to Lauren being transgendered.

I understand if Bruce didn't want to see Lauren cagedancing. IMO she is not an attractive woman like Courtney is. Its nothing to do with her being trans..I just dont think shes goodlooking. And I should be able to say that without being accused of transphobia, which will no doubt come soon :laugh:

However my problem is how he made out it was the exhibitionist behavior that he didnt like, instead of just being honest. I think he made himself look a right tit, and a hypocrite.

[RodHull]

I just dont think shes goodlooking.

Thats an understatement... she looks like a corpse in the morning, and wtf is wrong with her knees !?!

But yes he did make a tit of himself, as he did yesterday. Hopefully the corrie bigot and the corrie miserable bore will wear out their welcome this week.

[Vicky.]

He found one of the Yorkshire Ripper victim's body's...and this poor woman was slaughtered, by all accounts. :(

Yeah thats all very sad. But it has nothing to do with how he treat his wife.
As I say I hate excuses being made for stuff like that. Hell even the 'he was abused as a kid so he does it now' type excuses don't wash with me :S

[Northern Monkey]

I disagree completely with the OPs obsession with putting every little thing down to Lauren being transgendered.

I understand if Bruce didn't want to see Lauren cagedancing. IMO she is not an attractive woman like Courtney is. Its nothing to do with her being trans..I just dont think shes goodlooking. And I should be able to say that without being accused of transphobia, which will no doubt come soon :laugh:

However my problem is how he made out it was the exhibitionist behavior that he didnt like, instead of just being honest. I think he made himself look a right tit, and a hypocrite.

I agree with this,I think he was probably being careful what he said so he did'nt get accused of transphobia but he should have just been honest imo.

[Videostar]

Yeah thats all very sad. But it has nothing to do with how he treat his wife.
As I say I hate excuses being made for stuff like that. Hell even the 'he was abused as a kid so he does it now' type excuses don't wash with me :S

Fair enough, it's no excuse for his behaviour in his life, but he turned to drink after his younger life and the things he saw and went through, and he was a nasty drunk.

But hasn't he suffered enough? you now want him to watch Lauren cage dance too.? :shocked::dog:

[RichardG]

@richardg, I'm sorry are you implying there is zero difference between Lauren and your wife/girlfriend/yourself ??? The vast majority of men would not want to be with somebody who used to be a man, that's just a fact and doesn't
Make them bad people or transphobic or any such nonsense.

I personally have nothing against any TG but hate the ridiculous suggestion there is no difference or that anybody who doesn't share the ops opinion is a bigot... but sure we can call her anything u find acceptable my point is the same

I deleted that post ages ago because I didn't want to get into an argument :p

And, uhh, no, you're right, many men would not want to be with her. When did I suggest otherwise?? I just didn't see the need to write "half-woman". She may have been born into a male body but she considers herself to be fully woman, so why refer to her as any different?

[Kizzy]

I disagree completely with the OPs obsession with putting every little thing down to Lauren being transgendered.

I understand if Bruce didn't want to see Lauren cagedancing. IMO she is not an attractive woman like Courtney is. Its nothing to do with her being trans..I just dont think shes goodlooking. And I should be able to say that without being accused of transphobia, which will no doubt come soon :laugh:

However my problem is how he made out it was the exhibitionist behavior that he didnt like, instead of just being honest. I think he made himself look a right tit, and a hypocrite.

I agree that bruce is a hypocrite, I don't find lauren or Courtney good looking and they are both exhibitionists so for me he should have referred to both or neither.

[_catapult_]

I deleted that post ages ago because I didn't want to get into an argument :p

And, uhh, no, you're right, many men would not want to be with her. When did I suggest otherwise?? I just didn't see the need to write "half-woman". She may have been born into a male body but she considers herself to be fully woman, so why refer to her as any different?

Ummm.. because shes not? Isn't that what I just said? Or are you infact saying there is no difference?

[Pincho Paxton]

Fair enough, it's no excuse for his behaviour in his life, but he turned to drink after his younger life and the things he saw and went through, and he was a nasty drunk.

But hasn't he suffered enough? you now want him to watch Lauren cage dance too.? :shocked::dog:

Seeing a Yorkshire Ripper victim would not make me drink. That's an excuse.

[Videostar]

Seeing a Yorkshire Ripper victim would not make me drink. That's an excuse.

There speaks someone who has never had a trauma at such a young age.

[karezza]

A bigot is someone you dislike because they have different values to you.

[fingers]

A bigot is someone you dislike because they have different values to you.

A bigot is a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance.

[Northern Monkey]

So if i don't fancy transgenders because they used to be a man,Does that make me a bigot?I'm genuinly interested.

[Vicky.]

I don't see how anyone can say you dont fancy transgenders as they used to be men tbh. A lot of M to F transgenders look extremely feminine, moreso than some who were born female. Obviously its different though if you know the person is transgendered though, but you can't tell with a lot.

I mean, look at this page and tell me that you dont fancy any of these women at first glance. Ignore that they are transgendered for a sec :p

http://pinterest.com/ninapuella/beautiful-transgenders/

Most of them, you would never guess that they were born male.

[Pincho Paxton]

I don't see how anyone can say you dont fancy transgenders as they used to be men tbh. A lot of M to F transgenders look extremely feminine, moreso than some who were born female. Obviously its different though if you know the person is transgendered though, but you can't tell with a lot.

I mean, look at this page and tell me that you dont fancy any of these women at first glance. Ignore that they are transgendered for a sec :p

http://pinterest.com/ninapuella/beautiful-transgenders/

Most of them, you would never guess that they were born male.

Nobody monitoring those pics.. some are of women.

[Vicky.]

Nobody monitoring those pics.. some are of women.

Every pic on that page is either a transgendered woman, or a crossdresser.

[Pincho Paxton]

Every pic on that page is either a transgendered woman, or a crossdresser.

I can tell that they aren't.

[Vicky.]

Whatever you say :laugh:

You can tell with some transgenders, but not all. This is my point.

[fingers]

It might help to have a look at this, transgender is an adjective, it is neither a noun nor is it a verb! . http://planet.deafqueer.com/gender-grammar/

[Vicky.]

OK, if you are having trouble accepting the other post..here you go

http://mostbeautifultranssexuals.tumblr.com/page/5

All names and such are on the pics to verify

Though I don't see why this is needed. Would be easier if some just admitted that you can't always tell..

[Northern Monkey]

No but what i'm saying is honestly,The thought of having 'relations' with a man repulses me,Even after they've had an op.Obviously they would tell you before you actually did anything with them,So does that make me a bigot?
I admit you can't always tell,Most of them you can though.

[fingers]

No but what i'm saying is honestly,The thought of having 'relations' with a man repulses me,Even after they've had an op.Obviously they would tell you before you actually did anything with them,So does that make me a bigot?

No it doesn't, read the definition of "bigot".

[Pincho Paxton]

Whatever you say :laugh:

You can tell with some transgenders, but not all. This is my point.

You can tell all.

[Monkey Slut]

I was only half watching when Bruce said that so I'm not sure, was anybody else dancing at the same time?

[Vicky.]

No but what i'm saying is honestly,The thought of having 'relations' with a man repulses me,Even after they've had an op.Obviously they would tell you before you actually did anything with them,So does that make me a bigot?

I wouldnt say so no.

I mean, I would never rule it out if my absolutely perfect partner happened to have born female, but I can't honestly say the thought of having sex with a transgendered male is overly appealing to me

I believe we had a big discussion on this on this forum before that threw up some interesting views, will try and find it

Edit. Poll...www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=221612 http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=160905

Edit of edit :laugh: Seems the discussion wasnt so 'big' and was about if it was wrong not to tell your partner

www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=222277

[Pincho Paxton]

I was only half watching when Bruce said that so I'm not sure, was anybody else dancing at the same time?

Courtney was in the cage in one scene, and Bruce only mentioned exhibitionists.

[Northern Monkey]

No it doesn't, read the definition of "bigot".

That's what i thought.I also don't want to watch them dancing half naked in a cage,Am i a bigot now?

[fingers]

That's what i thought.I also don't want to watch them dancing half naked in a cage,Am i a bigot now?

If you "hate" them, then YES!

[Northern Monkey]

If you "hate" them, then YES!

Don't hate,Just don't want to look at men(pre or post op)in bikinis.I don't have any problem with trans people as long as they don't decieve anybody into doing anything with them.I don't think it makes Bruce a bigot if he does'nt enjoy watching half naked transgenders.jmo

[Northern Monkey]

I wouldnt say so no.

I mean, I would never rule it out if my absolutely perfect partner happened to have born female, but I can't honestly say the thought of having sex with a transgendered male is overly appealing to me

I believe we had a big discussion on this on this forum before that threw up some interesting views, will try and find it

Edit. Poll...www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=221612 http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=160905

Edit of edit :laugh: Seems the discussion wasnt so 'big' and was about if it was wrong not to tell your partner

www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=222277

Cheers :)

[fingers]

There is no such thing as a "transgender" the word does not exist as a noun or as a verb therefore to say "transgendered" is equally incorrect!
Just saying!

[Northern Monkey]

There is no such thing as a "transgender" the word does not exist as a noun or as a verb therefore to say "transgendered" is equally incorrect!
Just saying!

I think it is the PC thing to say,Even though it's not actually a word.

[smeagol]

i dont know why it would make him a bigot etc. all these labels are so wrong. if someone isn't comfortable or just doesn't like the idear of transgender etc then thats perfectly fine.
it doesn't make them a bigot or whatever.
i think bruce is uncomfortable but he is making a effort. so good for him.

[Pincho Paxton]

There is no such thing as a "transgender" the word does not exist as a noun or as a verb therefore to say "transgendered" is equally incorrect!
Just saying!

Sometimes the correct version is incorrect. In this case the correct version is incorrect.

[fingers]

Sometimes the correct version is incorrect. In this case the correct version is incorrect.
Only because people want to use incorrect terminology. I would have expected someone as erudite as you claim to be to understand that.

[Pincho Paxton]

Only because people want to use incorrect terminology. I would have expected someone as erudite as you claim to be to understand that.

In this case political correct terminology has forced us to use words that no longer work properly together.

[Videostar]

There is no such thing as a "transgender" the word does not exist as a noun or as a verb therefore to say "transgendered" is equally incorrect!
Just saying!

Can I interest you in "Transsexual"?

[Pincho Paxton]

Can I interest you in "Transsexual"?

How much? :joker:

[Videostar]

How much? :joker:

I'll give you £100 for Lauren. :joker:

I need Lauren as a B/day present for Vanessa. :D